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Voting Machines Can Be Easily Compromised, Symantec Demonstrates (cbsnews.com)
An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes a report from CBS News:
For the hackers at Symantec Security Response, Election Day results could be manipulated by an affordable device you can find online. "I can insert it, and then it resets the card, and now I'm able to vote again," said Brian Varner, a principle researcher at Symantec, demonstrating the device...
Symantec Security Response director Kevin Haley said elections can also be hacked by breaking into the machines after the votes are collected. "The results go from that machine into a piece of electronics that takes it to the central counting place," Haley said. "That data is not encrypted and that's vulnerable for manipulation."
40 states are using a voting technology that's at least 10 years old, according to the article. And while one of America's national election official argues that "there are paper trails everywhere," CBS reports that only 60% of states conduct routine audits of their paper trails, while "not all states even have paper records, like in some parts of swing states Virginia and Pennsylvania, which experts say could be devastating."
Symantec Security Response director Kevin Haley said elections can also be hacked by breaking into the machines after the votes are collected. "The results go from that machine into a piece of electronics that takes it to the central counting place," Haley said. "That data is not encrypted and that's vulnerable for manipulation."
40 states are using a voting technology that's at least 10 years old, according to the article. And while one of America's national election official argues that "there are paper trails everywhere," CBS reports that only 60% of states conduct routine audits of their paper trails, while "not all states even have paper records, like in some parts of swing states Virginia and Pennsylvania, which experts say could be devastating."
The left isn't trying to eliminate voter registration laws and you know it. They're just trying to stop the right from making the process more difficult to qualify for than a driver's license. Remember, we actually want more people to vote, not less, to have more certainty of a fair voting outcome. Or is that the part you're opposed to, the part where you're forced to allow everyone to vote even if they have brown skin and don't go to your church?
No, its when he says its impossible for him to lose the election thats the outrage.
I want the entire presidential race to be voted on paper myself, and Im for Hilary, not Trump.
Its really a shame that he has no clue about how to present his ideas without getting distracted, or why the way he presents them turns most of the electorate off.
Perhaps thats why he wont be the next president
Voting doesn't matter. Voting is for the 99% to make them feel better, and think they have some control.
It doesn't matter who the POTUS is, who the FLOTUS is, or even who the SCROTUS is.
Lobbying controls everything.
Lobbyists write the bills, all the POTUS, and HOROTUS and SCROTUS do are sign them and collect their fee.
Want to effect positive change? Don't vote, lobby!
Join a lobbyist group, form a lobbyist group, or contribute to a lobbyist group.
The only little slips of paper that mater in the US are green.
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now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Ha, no. What Trump has suggested is that the *only* way he could lose is due to voter fraud (a problem that is statistically nonexistent). That's dangerous rhetoric at best; it delegitimizes the process (but only if he loses). It's not as if Trump has any actual information on planned fraud or evidence t support his assertions. He's merely covering his ass, because in his mind he *can't* legitimately lose. And yes, the process of voting should be easy and painless for everyone entitled to vote. That's the basis of a functional democracy.
I swear, some people have the memory of mayflies. The voting machine debacle has been with us for almost 20 years now. They've been proven to be trivially hackable, poorly documented, and lacking significant paper trails in MANY different jurisdictions for ages, now. Suddenly Trump mentions it, and it's this partisan issue? How many people here are so young that they don't remember the blatant corruption surrounding Diebold?
Implying someone is a racist simply because they hold an opposing view comes across as an opinion you made because you've been programmed to think that is a valid argument for wanting reassurance that the individual voting is actually they person they say they are. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bigot.
How is asking for ANY type of picture ID harder than getting a driver's license?
Now you have a bunch of activist judges making legal leaps and declaring Voter ID illegal not because it's against the Constitution, but because it "unfairly affects minorities". Minorities are apparently more poor and more incompetent than the average citizen, so it's unfair of them to have to prove their identity. This is the Liberal argument.
Trump's statements are meant to undermine your democracy by priming an angry electorate to believe - note the word "believe" - that all polls in favour of Clinton are dishonest. Stop and think about the conspiracy required to falsify all polls. He doesn't appear to care about the consequences to the country. If can't win, let it burn, appears to be the philosophy of that campaign.
I didn't imply it, I flat out accused you of it. Then you proved me right by spending your sockpuppet mod points on me then quickly replied 4 times anonymously with equally absurd attempts to distract from the fact I just caught you in your own logical trap, bigot.
The red team complains about voter fraud and the blue team complains about voter suppression. They're both rigging the election as far as I'm concerned and that just has to balance itself out. Don't whine about losing before you lose though, I don't know what that's supposed to accomplish.
You've been misinformed by the media or are intentionally misstating the candidate. Trump's statement was only about certain areas in Pennsylvania. His call to have neutral observers at poll locations, a thing the DNC and the UN has itself suggested during BOTH of Obama's elections in the same areas, is now being met with threats to arrest those observers.
The US has such large voting problems the UN AND the DNC has called for observers and those observers are now being threatened with arrest.
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It doesn't scale, and every voter would need a private encryption key that can't leak....
I'm just happy a security company has finally been able to get one of these machines to demonstrate how bad it is. Most of the more major but less visible outside of the field researchers have been screaming for a decade that there are obvious flaws but haven't been able to get their hands on the machines to prove them.
The only thing, it had to be Symantec, really... The one company that is too large for it's own good, uses unnecessary scare tactics to fleece customers and has suffered it's own fair share of security failures. Only good thing I see with Symantec doing it is maybe they are well known enough that the powers that be might take note.
Please correctly attribute your quotes (of Mark Twain)
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It's getting pretty bad. My karma has taken a beating. Simply put, Slashdot is the Donald Trump Forum, and if you're not advocating for him to be president and demanding imprisonment for Clinton, you're going to pay. I'm going to be honest, after being here since 2003, I'm just about ready to leave simply because mod points are being handed out to some of the most regressive people around, the very same kind of people that endlessly whine about how they're being censored for their views.
In fact, I'm not even sure why I'm here now. This place sucks, and not because of new owners or advertising, but simply because it has become a den of libertarian reactionaries who hate everything and everyone.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
from 10 years ago.
If you need a picture ID to vote it should be your voter registration card given to you free of charge at the time you register to vote.
We discussed this back in 2000... computers marking paper ballots is the supreme system for voting.
When Pennsylvania tried to enact a voter ID law the people who voted for it (all Republicans) openly stated they could not point to a single act of voter fraud. The best they could say was, "the number of voter fraud cases that are prosecuted are only a sliver of the fraud taking place because there is no system in place to detect fraud."
Which is a great work of circular reasoning. One can't show voting fraud has taken place but that's only because there isn't any way to detect it. If one can't detect voter fraud, how do you know it's taking place?
One of the biggest issues with PA's attempt was the person who did not have a driver's license had to travel to only a select few locations during certain hours and do this twice. Once to prove who they were then come back a second time to get their state-issued ID. All during regular business hours.
If you're on the bottom rung of life you need to work as much as you can and can't afford to take off work to prove who you are, twice, and if you're a senior citizen you may be dependent upon someone else to take you around because not everyone has a bus stop in front of their house.
PA's law was nothing but a blatant attempt to suppress voting.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
We covered this back in the 2000s decade... non-driver ID cards with everything else are being handed out to everybody who doesn't drive.
tl;dr: I don't like the guy who won, therefore democracy is horrible idea.
Here is Trump in a nutshell.
I can say whatever I want and when it's received negatively, I was just joking.
When I don't get my way, someone else is cheating.
He's a joke of a human being. He represents the worst of the US.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
That's also a way of saying the states that moved their primaries earlier did a better review of election law... Clinton was a late surge in the polls outside of the ballots too.
its the same story for the last 16 years, gee I wonder why, your hiring some flunky lowest bidder to do a serious job
nothing to see here move along
In 2004, 2008, 2012, i voted protest e-vote because without a paper trail, anyone can hack them. Not that anyone sees that.
God spoke to me
People who don't vote get trampled in most places... if parents don't teach how to vote, then the parents get control of the the government and get to ruin their children.
This is why Election Day should be a school-closed holiday every year.
I gather you didn't even read my post. I'm not complaining about opposing view points, I'm complaining about Trump supporters who attack opposing view points by using mod points to silence criticism.
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Why don't you correctly attribute your quotes? The attribution to Mark Twain is spurious, and anyone familiar with his style and 19th-century American English in general could sense that something was off in calling this a Twain quotation.
As in many other cases, Drumpf is a raging hypocrite. In the real world, vote fraud is a republican thing. And they're not even subtle about it. One of their operatives, the CEO of Diebold, manufacturer of many of the voting machines in the US, went so far as to openly state his intention to divert votes to the republicans:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11...
Imagine all the people...
I am a poll worker in Virginia. From the very scant details on this particular hack, the apparent claim is that you can vote more than once by "resetting" the machine while in the booth and not touching any equipment. Well, if it is even technically possible to pull this off, within an hour we'd know that the votes in that precinct were off, because we do an hourly audit of the of the number of people who check in to vote vs. the number of votes that are cast. When we are off by even a count of 1 it is a major event, and triggers an immediate investigation. Any kind of mass attempt to defraud the count would be caught immediately. And, nearly 2 million people are eligible to vote in Virginia, so you'd have to pull off an enormous hack across multiple precincts. You'd most certainly wind up canceling the election, not swaying it.
Virginia does not use direct-recording voting machines any more, we use machine-counted paper ballots. We decertified all our direct-recording machines two elections ago when it was discovered that in a couple of precincts the wireless local area network between machines were running with default administrative passwords. The scanning equipment we use is not networkable, and it is sealed with numbered seals. I do not believe it is possible to even do the hack suggested by the article any more.
"We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
"So you are saying you've grown 6 inches, gained 200 lbs, changed your hair & eye colors as well as your sex... that's the reason you don't look anything like your photo from 20 years ago? Ok... here is your ballot."
Little different than the ID-less system we have today, just mention a name on a street and get offered a ballot: http://projectveritas.com/2016...
Well, I see we found the Trump supporter, as evidenced by the general dickishness and the inability to do the most basic arithmetic.
It's because he's an idiot like Bush was and he doesn't have the support the approved candidates have. He also has to support the RNC official platform in order to be an RNC candidate and thus a lot of his platform (the Mexican wall stuff and taxes) isn't actually his.
Everything that Clinton says (if she even says it) has gone through a team of lawyers and media personnel. The problem is the media and the powers that be got surprised by Trump. Now they're broadening everything he says and make it sound worse. When he says "We should get observers in certain portions of PA" the narrative becomes "Trump says we should have thugs intimidating voters at all the voting places" and when he says the media is a liar, all they can do is take quotes out of context.
Now I won't vote for either, Trump should've packed his things and gone independent months ago when the RNC was stacking against him, perhaps he would've had a chance to be an honest candidate.
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Just go compulsory voting. If you are on the register you must vote. If you want to argue that you should have the right to not vote then turn up, get your name crossed off and draw a giant dick and balls on the ballot sheet.
If you want to have electronic voting have an option that says "I do not wish to vote, so register my vote as informal, this means my vote will not count" and make them hit through 5 are you sures.
If everyone has to vote it makes impersonating someone else really really hard as those people have to vote as well. As soon as the same person gets marked off you have problems.
In my state we have vote by mail and I don't get sent a ballot unless I'm registered under my correct address. My ID is my signature on the outside of the ballot envelope which gets compared to my signature on my registration. It a system that works well.
Where I come from ID is mandatory... you cannot exist here w/o it. (Sweden) You get a personal identity number when you are born. Which makes voting simple. Voting also always takes place on Sundays, when working people are free, and we don't have electronic voting systems because that would be really bad...
1) You should have an ID, and it should be super easy to get it.
2) You should have to prove your identity when voting
3) You should not have to take a day of in order to vote.
4) Electronic voting should never be allowed, since it can always be hacked. Voting over internet is even worse, since then people can buy votes, or coerce others to vote against their will.
From an outside perspective the voting system in the US is insane.
The GW Bush administration made voter fraud a point of emphasis with the US attorneys in the early 2000s and they didn't find squat.
Everyone, left, right, up, or down, was switching to electronic voting after the hanging chad embarrasment. It's not a partisan issue, and if you think only the left is stealing votes then you're blind to the people on the other side stealing them too.
Simply put, Slashdot is the Donald Trump Forum, and if you're not advocating for him to be president and demanding imprisonment for Clinton, you're going to pay. I'm going to be honest, after being here since 2003, I'm just about ready to leave simply because mod points are being handed out to some of the most regressive people around, the very same kind of people that endlessly whine about how they're being censored for their views.
I actually keep track of the sentiment on Slashdot, both from the responses to my posts and general mood for certain topics. One topic I keep track of is the Clinton/Trump thing.
Firstly, don't feel like you need to leave because of the Trump/Clinton thing. In prior presidential election years, Slashdot goes to hell starting about 6 weeks before the election, and becomes unbearably dumb about 2 weeks before. Partisan sock puppets from both camps do nothing but carp and snipe and insult anyone who tries to post a political view.
It's happened before, and it's happening right now as well.
It's worse this year, probably a combination of a) this particular election is especially contentious, b) a lot of people are hurting and want to see change(*), and c) internet attendance is higher now than it was 4 or 8 years ago (and will probably be even higher 4 years from now).
Whiplash asked for suggestions when he took over, and I mentioned this specific point in a response.
Secondly, I monitor my own style and set goals for my posts. I'm currently working controversial posts, and this fits in well with my support of Trump.
What I've found is that all of the posts on either side are simple blind insults. Clinton is dirty and corrupt, Trump is a racist and bigot, there's not much else to see here. I've even called out the readership, asking for any *rational* reason to vote for Clinton over Trump (my particular choice - it would work as well the other way). No one has ever put forth a reasonable and rational reason for one candidate over the other(**).
Thirdly, it's easy to get around the mod point system simply by posting actual content. Make an insightful post--a way of looking at things that make sense and that someone else may have missed--and back it up with some links.
I've found that there are enough people here who still appreciate an interesting point, than there are partisans who will automatically down-vote something they don't like. I know this because my own posts get voted up *and* down (yes, I monitor my posts over time), and the up votes always win out eventually. It sometimes takes a couple of hours, but it almost always happens.
I believe that there are more intelligent and mature people reading this forum than there are partisan hacks, but these same people aren't interested in getting involved(***), or are too busy with life, or don't like getting insulted.
Lastly, note that Trump has the support of a fair slice of American voters right now. You can claim that he doesn't have enough support to win, but that's not the point: if 30% of the electorate is pro Trump, you'll see a lot of support here. Just like there was for Sanders, just like there was for Romney.
Take the trouble to think through your opinion (it helps if you come to your own opinion, rather than use someone else's (****)), post links to support your position, and don't insult and snipe people.
When you do this, the mature and honest readers will support you.
(*) In prior elections, both D and R were still "more of the same".
(**) One anonymous exception, I tried to encourage them to get an account and continue, and haven't heard from them since.
(***) I want to improve my public writing skills, and I use Slashdot as my practice range.
(****) Years ago I saw a clip of Christopher Hitchens, who comes to his own views on things, and it really stuck with me.
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/13/489889496/trump-calls-to-stake-out-polling-places
According to stories like this, it seems that the RNC in enjoined from engaging in certain conduct due to a consent decree arising out of past misconduct of its own.
And given the tone and tenor of some of Trump's comments, as well as his supporters, it isn't beyond belief to be concerned about a difference between neutral poll observers and intimidation.
Besides, there were objections to the UN observers as well.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/texas-iowa-arrest-election-observers
So meh, whatever. Trump runs his mouth. That's a given.
Snopes cannot be trusted. They clearly have an agenda. We need a new fact checking site.
"Step 4: Recruit group of persons who are willing to accept cash and keep their mouths shut to get driven around all day and be told who to vote for."
HAH! Unlikely!
"Three people may keep a secret if two are dead" - Benny Franklin.
People talk. They love to talk and tell stories. They hate being told to shut up, even for money. It usually has to be a lot of money for them to shut up, especially when it comes to a federal crime and they are spotted. They will roll over on you and your scheme to stay out of jail.
$SUFFICIENTBRIBE == At least minimum wage for 24/7 behind bars for a year or two, plus extra for damage to reputation and future earning loss. And you have to /trust/ every last one of these people to keep their word.
Suddenly your "bus full of voter fraud" becomes very expensive, and you're better off just hiring more canvassers.
Voter fraud doesn't happen because it's too much work for the results and the penalty for being caught at it is too high for the risk. Electoral fraud, however, is fucking rampant. Various idiots like to conflate voter fraud with electoral fraud, most likely because "their side" is the side that does the electoral fraud and project on the other side voter fraud.
Why the public just goes along with electronic voting with no paper trail? I don't fucking know. It's not like this hasn't been talked about for the last 20 years, since the introduction of electronic voting machines.
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BMO
Paper and pencil. Mark an X and put it in a ballot box. Use a scanner to speed up counting at the end of the night.
No source code to worry about. No computers to hack into. Works if the Internet goes down. No chads. Works the same in every city/province/state/country.
There is plenty of sound and valid content to see. Either you are willfully blind, outright incompetent at reading, or prone to hyperbole.
I personally doubt you can look at your own conduct rationally, let alone politicians who you will likely never meet.
Not when you continue to conduct yourself with such lack of examination of your own words.
Whoosh!
You think he's calling for "neutral" observers?
http://www.politico.com/story/...
Note that the form to become one of these Trump observers takes you directly to a Trump fundraising site.
He recognized that Trump is a joke, so he's not that dumb.
You're upset because you're used to frequenting the news networks owned by the globalist oligarchs who want Hillary to be president so that she can be a good little puppet for them and further their covetous goals. Those networks program their viewers into thinking Trump=bad, Hillary=good. They suppress negative news about Hillary while telling half-truths and outright lies about Trump. You're used to having your views reassured and validated by these news outlets and you've come to think that those views are in the majority.
However, outside of the sphere of Clintonfluence, you're shocked by the fact that people don't believe the BS they're being fed, and are audacious enough to present a viewpoint that conflicts with your own. It's equally devastating that such people back up their opinions with "facts" and "logic" instead of appealing to emotion and name calling.
You need to face facts that there is a large percentage of the public that is completely fed up with this bizarre agenda of hate and shame that the radical-left is trying so hard to ram down everyone's throats. The backlash is growing, and you will seemingly never understand that it's because of your own actions that this happens.
Yes, I know that, obviously. It comes up again and again. You should have replied to the parent statement with this. It will do him more good than me.
No I'm upset because Trump and Sanders supporters use the moderation system on Slashdot to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.
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International observers occasional show up in the US for elections, and they are astounded by how weak and untrustworthy our elections are. No ID required? No marking of hands or fingers? Ballots left alone, but still counted?
It's embarrassing when the Somali elections were more robust than the US ones.
There's been 31 voting irregularities in the last 4 years... out of 1 billion. That's about the same odds of getting shitty ads on regular sites.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
But oh, the right-wing wants to restrict voting because they're scared that some brown people might vote. Just like people who claim blocking ads makes them safer, they would rather deny the website revenue than risk that they might see some crappy ads. They want you to think that every site is 4chan, full of the scum of the internet, likewise "voters might vote for the wrong guy because we let them through the doors of the voting place"
Really, I pointed out how you contradicted yourself, if you aren't going to own up to your own hyperbole, why should you get to look down at others?
Face it, you burned yourself.
Nobody cares what you think, and you're not very good at it.
when I vote you need show id, not that it matters...
Get up!
The signature is not on my ballot but on the outside of the envelope containing my ballot. Once the signature is validated the ballot is separated from the envelope. I watched the process once so I'm confident the comparisons are being done. If they can't validate your signature they send you a notification and you have a few days to come down and verify that it is correct.
I dunno. I grew up with compulsory voting. It is made extremely easy, huge number of polling stations, postal voting, declaratory voting in other electorates. Ring the AEC and they will send someone to your house to help you vote, or if you are in a nursing home they come to you so you can vote. We also don't disenfranchise prisoners so they get the votes counted in prison too.
Because it is the entire electoral role every time there is never any shocks due to higher than expected turn out. I think 10 minutes is the absolute longest I've ever had to queue.
"I can insert it, and then it resets the card, and now I'm able to vote again,"
Didn't he just overwrite his previous vote? "Vote again" is not necessarily the same as "cast two votes".
Not to say there aren't problems, there certainly are, but there is a lot of lame in this article. Not helpful.
Story after story has been presented about the impediments to getting ID
Then fix the damn impediments.
Voter authentication is a no-brainer.
All my liberal friends think I'm a conservative, all my conservative friends think I'm a liberal.
Just go compulsory voting. If you are on the register you must vote. If you want to argue that you should have the right to not vote then turn up, get your name crossed off and draw a giant dick and balls on the ballot sheet.
If you want to have electronic voting have an option that says "I do not wish to vote, so register my vote as informal, this means my vote will not count" and make them hit through 5 are you sures.
If everyone has to vote it makes impersonating someone else really really hard as those people have to vote as well. As soon as the same person gets marked off you have problems.
And free transport to the polling station for the compulsory voting is provided, right?
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
Their affection for the electric chair and more recently poison injection executions over the old, and more reliable means of execution, hanging, are further examples of this. The result is that their democratic process IS at risk.
why would mark twain say that it is a famous quote?
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The handbook is free in most states. It costs nothing but time to study it. Hell, most of the time you can get it online as a pdf.
Sorry, but as a reasoned explanation for a position, that was pretty weaksauce.
No I'm upset because anyone with an axe to grind uses the moderation system on Slashdot to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them.
FTFY. The idea that Trump and Sanders supporters are in any way unique in their moderation tactics is spurious at best.
A driver's license gives you the priviledge to drive. It is voluntary, no one can be forced to get one. I didn't have a driver's license until the age of 27, because it wasn't necessary. But not exercising a priviledge shall never lead to the forfeiture of a right, which is not even connected to the priviledge. People are allowed to drive in the U.S. who are not allowed to vote (any non-citizen with a driver's license), and there are people allowed to vote which don't have a driver's license.
Those pesky activist judges always tell you that simple fact, but you continue to ignore it. Might it be because the judges are right and supported by the constitution, while your ideas are not?
His call to have neutral observers at poll locations
Yeah, if only. You need to re-check whatever information you have consumed so far. Those observers would be anything but neutral. Yes, really. Go check for yourself.
Simply put, Slashdot is the Donald Trump Forum
The poll results disagree with you: Slashdot users have a significant preference for Clinton (33%), with Trump in second place (21%) leading slightly over Johnson (15%).
If a forum in which Trump supporters constitute a significant minority seems to you to be "the Donald Trump Forum", perhaps the issue may be your own perception? Are you sheltered from opposing political viewpoints in your day-to-day life?
"40 states are using a voting technology that's at least 10 years old"
I assume that would include paper ballots that are, unlike electronic voting machines, independently auditable should there be questions about the integrity of the voting process. Why, exactly, is that something that needs to be fixed with a probably flawed modern technology?
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
The rumor that Snopes has an agenda is false. I checked on Snopes.
Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
There's also the issue that the "nominal fee" for the ID used to be called a poll tax. That's unconstitutional, also.
Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
Since the guy you cited voted multiple times under his own name, how would ID have helped?
Intron: the portion of DNA which expresses nothing useful.
Sorry, but history proves otherwise. Democracy sucks, it is utter shit. But the other options are worse.
You may not believe it but over the long run a crowd of random people come up with better solutions than one genius.
If the polls dont require voter ID....
Rick B.
Is it an outrage? Did he say something besides if he doesn't win it's because the system is rigged? I must have missed the "outrage" on that one. Maybe on some left-wing blog it's an "outrage", but Trump, in my opinion, just looks silly saying that. Some of his supporters will no doubt be outraged when he loses. I believe he's pre-making excuses for it.
Heads I win. Tails, you cheated.
And it seems to resonate well with you since you're already complaining that people are saying it's an outrage when I have seen no evidence of that.
People were outraged by his 2nd Amendment comment. People were rightly outraged by his comments about the Khans. People were outraged by his comments about Russia and Clinton's emails. People were outraged by his idea to use religion as a litmus test for entering the country.
I have yet to see any outrage over this remark.
I love these "sky is falling" videos. Kind of reminds me when Microsoft was bashing Linux.
I hope emperor Trump takes care of this with his death squads. No more voting!
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Wait, so everyone is a Pro Trump, libertarian? I didt think those 2 things went together.
OMG Ponies!!! with Glitter!!!! I miss Pink
1) The Soviets demanding to see papers to travel made Americans highly skeptical of government required ID.
2) All audits of US elections have shown voter fraud to be nearly non-existent.
3) There is no day of the year when nobody works. Putting it on Sunday screws people who work weekends.
4) Electronic voting can be carefully audited to confirm no extra votes were registered, no strange patterns exist, and the results can be compared to exit polls. Like #2, despite a lot of fear mongering, there's no evidence of vote fraud/tampering after several years. Some states require paper print outs so discrepancies can be investigated and recounts can be performed.
Internet voting doesn't provide greater risk of voter intimidation than mail-in absentee ballots, which have been uncontroversial for many years.
But I appreciate the example of an "ugly" European, who has no knowledge or perspective, telling others how they're doing everything wrong.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Regarding whether my ballot is accepted or not I can and have gone on line to check that.
Yes. They will come and pick you up and take you to a polling station. Or if you are unable to travel for health or other reasons they will come to you.
You can also request a postal vote which is delivered to you and comes in a reply paid envelope.
Mobile polling
AEC mobile polling teams visit many electors who are not able to get to a polling place. Mobile polling facilities are set up in some hospitals, nursing homes, prisons and remote areas of Australia. Mobile polling is carried out around Australia prior to election day and on election day.
Just a comment from another Swede:
It is not mandatory with an ID card, not even to vote, see: http://www.val.se/det_svenska_...
Google translation of the second paragraph (yeah, I'm lazy):
Do I have to show identification when I vote?
You must prove your identity to vote. You can prove your identity in three ways:
1. Be known by the voice receiver
2. Show ID document
3. Any other person can vouch for your identity. Then the one who vouches show his ID. The social security number of the person who vouches written down in the electoral roll.
I don't have one
Wait, isn't requiring a specific picture id more difficult than requiring any picture id?
Totally agree. Now, how do I know that you are a citizen of the United States if I can't check your ID? Sure, we checked that you were a citizen when you registered, but how do I know that you are who you claim to be? See: US Attorney General Eric Holder's Ballot to Vote Offered to Total Stranger
Totally agree. This is why states that passed voter ID laws also changed their laws to allow citizens to get free IDs. A cursory google search reveals the process for getting free ID's from Alabama, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.
We keep telling those pesky activist judges that simple fact, but they continue to ignore it.
You can also request a postal vote which is delivered to you and comes in a reply paid envelope.
Oh thats ok then. No possible opportunities for coerced voting there at all. Nope.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
Yes. They will come and pick you up and take you to a polling station. Or if you are unable to travel for health or other reasons they will come to you.
If they did that in the US you can bet the Republicans would ensure this skipped black and hispanic areas!
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
The AEC, Australian Electoral Commission, is held at arms length from the ruling party government. It requires an act of parliament to change any of the rules and given the make-up of the Australian government it would be very difficult for one party to pass rules that favour them over the other.
In addition there is a 3 person body which consists of either a current or retired federal judge, a statistician and the current head of the AEC. They are charged with the management of the process and oversight of the AEC to ensure accuracy of the election.
It's worth noting though that there is a huge difference in attitude between Australia and the US at election time. Australia doesn't have the rallies or the level of energy that the US has around an election. I just can't imagine people trying to block others from voting here.
The AEC, Australian Electoral Commission, is held at arms length from the ruling party government. It requires an act of parliament to change any of the rules and given the make-up of the Australian government it would be very difficult for one party to pass rules that favour them over the other.
In addition there is a 3 person body which consists of either a current or retired federal judge, a statistician and the current head of the AEC. They are charged with the management of the process and oversight of the AEC to ensure accuracy of the election.
It's worth noting though that there is a huge difference in attitude between Australia and the US at election time. Australia doesn't have the rallies or the level of energy that the US has around an election. I just can't imagine people trying to block others from voting here.
Yeah sorry, you put all that work into your response but I wasn't thinking about how its done in Aussie, rather how it might be implemented in the USA.
I don't think there is a Republican party in Aus who might want to stop blacks and hispanics from voting
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
It's only in the short run that they fuck it up monstrously ;)
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Leave it to a dumbassed AC drop a straw man to perfectly prove GP's point. Nobody said anything about disliking opposing viewpoints. GP was talking about how the kiddie table at /. has taken over the whole damn room, to the point where the signal:noise ratio is making the site more or less unusable. I used to come to /. for the insightful discussion and took it as a given that the editing would suck. Now the editing sucks and the discussion devolves to reactionary neckbeards whining about SJWs and trolls whining about how their third-grade level trolls aren't appreciated enough.
Go ahead. Tell us all about how you're being oppressed. Help! Help! I'm being oppressed! Violence inherent in the system! Violence inherent in the system!
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No I understood where you were coming from. In my head I was thinking about how hard it would be to implement in the US because so much of what politics appears to be, from the outside looking in, is getting people to vote rather than convincing them to vote a certain way.
You would have to convince both parties that 95% voter turn out wouldn't skew the results in favour of one over the other. Which is basically impossible.
I thought you might be interested in the structure though and how it can be possible to build something where people have faith in the voting system, even if they aren't always happy with the choices. Voting here actually has the feel of a bit of a relaxed get together. Sure people whinge about having to go and do it and how they would rather sit on the couch, but you go out and everyone is happy. After you voted there is always the sausage sizzle, which has become such a thing it is nicknamed the democracy sausage, and the CWA selling cakes.
I don't know what happened in the US that split people so clearly along the democrat / republican lines and to split them so far. It's not a good place to be.
Purely if you're interested - http://democracysausage.org/