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Satellite Images Can Map Poverty (bbc.com)

A new study using satellite images and machine learning plans to map poverty from space in an effort to "fix the world's problems." Satellite imagery can be less dangerous, slow and expensive than gathering the data on the ground. BBC reports: "A team from Stanford University were able to train a computer system to identify impoverished areas from satellite and survey data in five African countries. The latest study looked at daylight images that capture features such as paved roads and metal roofs -- markers that can help distinguish different levels of economic wellbeing in developing countries. They then used a sophisticated computer model to categorize the various indicators in daytime satellite images of Nigeria, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda and Malawi. 'If you give a computer enough data it can figure out what to look for. We trained a computer model to find things in imagery that are predictive of poverty,' said Dr Burke. 'It finds things like roads, like urban areas, like farmland, it finds waterways -- those are things we recognize. It also finds things we don't recognize. It finds patterns in imagery that to you or I don't really look like anything... but it's something the computer has figured out is predictive of where poor people are.' The researchers used imagery from countries for which survey data were available to validate the computer model's findings." The results of the study are published in the journal Science.

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  1. Map them from orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's the only way to be sure

  2. Metal roofs? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    I don't have one.

    They are expensive.

    Altho, I didn't think i was living in poverty.

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    1. Re:Metal roofs? by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      And in the poor impoverished area - where did the roof come from?

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    2. Re:Metal roofs? by jedZ · · Score: 1

      I think they meant to contrast metal roofs (poverty) with paved roads (more developed areas). It's quite clear from the picture even if you didn't bother with the actual article

    3. Re:Metal roofs? by quenda · · Score: 1

      A steel roof certainly costs more than the asphalt shingles used it the US. You might think using shingles was a sign of poverty, except that American homes are the size of African airport terminals.

    4. Re:Metal roofs? by bjcullinan5259 · · Score: 2

      Metals roofs are AWESOME. And expensive. usually a $1 per foot, 24 inches wide for a small overlap between 15 inch rafters and 8 to 20 feet long. You can collect water with them, but the tin coating is washed with toxic chemicals. I would advise only using it for gardening, probably still better than the chlorine fluoride crap we get from municipal. Also boiling collected water and then avoiding the minerals left at the bottom would probably be safe for consumption (except that usually leaves behind the good minerals in water too). I don't think metal roofs are an indication of economic status. Anyone builder who is ingenuitive would love some metal roofing because it adds up quickly.

    5. Re:Metal roofs? by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      My wife called the standard roof in Sierra Leone a "zinc" roof, but I believe it's just corrugated aluminum, not steel. Walls are usually concrete; apparently they don't insulate. I'm not sure what the poor people's huts use for roofs.

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    6. Re:Metal roofs? by blindseer · · Score: 2

      It's probably galvanized steel, a mid grade steel plated with zinc to prevent corrosion.

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    7. Re:Metal roofs? by quenda · · Score: 2

      It's probably galvanized steel, a mid grade steel plated with zinc to prevent corrosion.

      Around here, zinc-galvanised corrugated steel has been mostly replaced by ZINCALUME® steel, which has a zinc/aluminium alloy coating.
      Much shinier than aged zinc galvo, and looks a bit like aluminium. Probably what Locke saw in in Sierra Leone. Lasts much longer.

    8. Re:Metal roofs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My wife called the standard roof in Sierra Leone a "zinc" roof, but I believe it's just corrugated aluminum, not steel. Walls are usually concrete; apparently they don't insulate. I'm not sure what the poor people's huts use for roofs.

      Sheet metal, if they can scrounge it, thatch if they can find it, tar paper, fiberglass panels or anything mostly flat and reasonably weatherproof when all else fails.

      In drier climates, the roof, like the walls, can be made of mud (adobe), but then you have to be able to get enough support beams to plaster the mud over.

      You make do with whatever you have. Whereas the more affluent have more choices.

    9. Re:Metal roofs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's a difference between a metal roof made of regular metal panels treated to be corrosion-resistant and a metal roof made from hammering out junk automobile sheet metal, rusting corrugated panels, dismantled shipping containers, and whatever else one can find.

      A very visible difference.

    10. Re:Metal roofs? by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      I rather suspect by "metal roof" they are referring to a sheet-metal roof, as opposed to a roof composed of formed metal shingles. The obvious "classic" here is the tin roof. I attempted to gauge the relative difference in cost, but traditional sheet-metal roofing does not appear to be readily available in .us: cheapest I found was pre-formed panels. Even so, formed panels appeared to be less than a quarter of the cost of formed metal shingles per unit area, One would suspect a roll of sheet metal, cut to lengths, overlapped, and nailed directly to roof joists, would be cheaper still.

    11. Re:Metal roofs? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      You are thinking about 1st world metal roofs. Made to high standards for long life and corrosion resistant, and designed to look like other types of roofs, which can last decades longer than normal Shingles.

      Then we have 3rd world metal roofs. You may see these in the States for our tool sheds, and other building that we use to protect inanimate objects from getting too wet in the rain. Low quality tin roof which is easy to setup still may be a bit more expensive than shingles. However the roof can be constructed without extra labor and it more effective even with a low quality install.

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  3. Yep... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...already knew that. And it's not quite as hard as they make out.

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    1. Re:Yep... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's just Best Korea being decades ahead of the rest of the world in controlling light pollution. Surely not a surprise?

  4. predictive of where poor people are by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    What's the opposite of *follow the money*?

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    1. Re:predictive of where poor people are by Grench · · Score: 1

      Don't follow the money?

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  5. Re:Basement View by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Do these satellites see into basements to find the permanently unemployed underclass of poor people who lost their jobs as soon as Obama was elected and have been unable to find work since?

    You might want to check your timeline. Obama took office at the end of January, 2009. There were a million jobs lost in September and October of 2008, before the election took place.

    http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/0...

    Or maybe you're suggesting that he destroyed the economy before he became president. Somehow. Sort of like how Rudy Guiliani says there were no terrorist attacks on US soil until Obama took office.

    http://www.politifact.com/trut...

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  6. Re:Basement View by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He was a Senator, so also culpable.

  7. Re:?This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Light is a measure of electrification, not poverty. Aridity is a measure of climate, not poverty. This imagery is more likely to do with travel patterns, etc. which do have unique relationships with poverty conditions.

  8. Easy to do yourself at home. by Narcocide · · Score: 2

    Waste of resources. We already have this data. All you have to do is find any place for which Google Maps doesn't store full-resolution pictures.

  9. Poverty by scientific+saint · · Score: 1

    If it is really helpful to identify the Poor from those countries it is good....

  10. Re:Basement View by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Also he was President Presumptive long before he was President Elect. The writing was on the wall and anyone who wasn't an outspoken supporter was branded a racist and was purged from society.

  11. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Spend money on satellites to stare at poor people instead of giving them food.

    Giving food to poor people in developing countries doesn't help fight poverty. Usually it makes things worse because growing and selling food is one of the few businesses that are possible for entrepreneurs in those areas, and they can't compete with the free food delivered by charities and NGOs and aid programs. Same for clothes.

    The thing that takes people out of poverties is proper legal and financial structures. The day you find out how to achieve that (and not just replacing dysfunctional structures with corrupt ones) please email Bono and let him know.

    So yes, in the meantime, studying poverty is the best alternative. It doesn't feed people but it doesn't fuck with their meager business opportunities either.

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  12. Re: Oh common...... by lucm · · Score: 4, Funny

    The irony in calling someone stupid and saying nothing else

    Did you go to school with Alanis Morissette?

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  13. Re:Waiting for the political correct to whine by lucm · · Score: 1

    When I first saw the headline I thought, oh they figured out you just have to spot the train tracks in any US cities and what's north of those is the poor area. That or using Google maps to overlay a chicken & waffle restaurants heatmap to spot the low income areas.

    Now THAT would have been a sjw field day.

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  14. Re:Nuke them from orbit? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    I've been to a few of those countries. I can show/tell you where the poverty is for the price of a few plane tickets.

  15. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by Locke2005 · · Score: 2

    Case in point: there used to be a textile (clothing) industry in Africa, but there isn't anymore, because it's cheaper to ship bails of used clothing collected in the US to Africa than it is to manufacture clothing there. Ever notice in pictures the African natives are always wearing t-shirts that refer to obscure American locations?

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  16. Re: Basement View by Locke2005 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    So, you're A-OK with Bush increasing the debt from zero (left by Clinton) to 9 billion, but that a-hole Obama increasing from 9 billion to 18 billion while paying for Bush's wars means Obama is incompetent? Conservatard "logic" is very strange...

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  17. A Thought by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Couldn't similar technology be used to seek out hungry people and launch guided bananas at them?

    1. Re:A Thought by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      I think your president would prefer a version of Angry Birds was used to fire chickens at them.

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    2. Re:A Thought by OneoFamillion · · Score: 1

      Bill Hicks sure was ahead of his time.

    3. Re: A Thought by Frankzy · · Score: 1

      RPB - rocket propelled banana

    4. Re: A Thought by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Ok. One RPB. *

      http://imgur.com/gallery/7xO8Y

      * sigh, not my creation unfortunately.

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  18. Re:?This is new? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Light is a measure of electrification, not poverty.

    They are pretty much the same thing. Access to electricity is a huge boost to quality of life. Clean water and vaccinations are the only other things that even come close. When Medicines sans Frontiers builds a clinic in Africa, they first install the generator needed to run the clinic. In some cases, they installed the generator, but never built the clinic. Those villages had improved health outcomes almost as good as the villages with the clinics. Electricity gives people light without soot from candles or smoke from cookstoves. It gives them access to information via radio, TV, and phones. Refrigerated food means less waste and better nutrition. Children study longer. Farmers have access to crop prices. People stop gathering firewood and dung, freeing up time for productive activities, and eliminating a source of deforestation and erosion.

  19. remote sensing discovers GIS by wisse · · Score: 1

    I always thought the GIS community was still too unfamiliar with remote sensing. Apparently it also is the case the other way round. They have made a spatial analysis of a classified remote sensing image. This has been done in a lot of fields. Geologists, hydrologists and other experts have been making maps using remote sensing images for some time. In this case they mapped the parameter "poverty".

  20. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    > The thing that takes people out of poverties is proper legal and financial structures.

    so, to combat poverty, we should be sending them lawyers and investment advisors. .. i guess they could eat them.

  21. Re:Nuke them from orbit? by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

    There's a sale on tinfoil this week, be sure to stock up!

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  22. Re:Does it map RACE? by Jzanu · · Score: 2

    You fucking idiot, human and economic geography are well established fields. The poorest live where it is cheapest to survive. Social position predicts poverty, not racial stereotypes.

  23. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day.

    Teach a man to fish and he and his family will starve become some rich/powerful asshole owns the lake, the boats and the bait and tackle shop and charges accordingly.

  24. Re: THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

    Or they are wearing championship shirts with the losing team on them. Manufacturers make shirts with both teams on them for games like the super bowl and world series so they can start selling them as soon as the game is over. All the shirts with the wrong team get sent to Africa.

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  25. Re: Oh common...... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If he did, then perhaps they both learned that the conditions making a situation ironic can be implied, rather than fully spelt out. Of course, that does require very slightly more intelligence on the part of the reader or listener, but I'm not in favour of dumbing down language to the lowest common denominator, so I'm all for it.

  26. Re: Basement View by Jzanu · · Score: 2

    One is cumulative, the other is simply for a period. Next time try not picking for-profit firms with vested interests, and don't copy pasting shit you don't really understand you fucking idiot. Also your numbers are wrong - Bush Jr. left 11.6 Billion Debt, Obama has added 6.5 Billion in what is now an equal amount of time. The CBO is leaning increasingly conservative but those are the official figures from them, check the link.

  27. Re:Stupid article by tomhath · · Score: 1
    FTFA:

    "The World Bank, which keeps the poverty data, has for a long time considered anyone who is poor to be someone who lives on below $1 a day,"...
    "For social welfare programmes, some of which already use satellite imagery to identify eligible recipients, higher-fidelity estimates of poverty can help to ensure that resources get to those with the greatest need."

    Visit a Third World country some time, it will open your eyes. They're not talking about a small segment of the population living under bridges. They're talking about everyone in the village having nothing - no food, no housing, no water, nothing.

  28. Re:Basement View by cdrudge · · Score: 1

    This imaging project has nothing to do with fixing poverty and everything to do with surveying real estate to find opportunities to make the rich even richer.

    Exactly. I think the rick are targeting Nigeria, Tanzania, Uganda, Rwanda and Malawi as the next hot location for a real estate boom.

  29. Location isn't the problem by jbmartin6 · · Score: 2

    I would think locating poverty isn't the problem. Do we really not know where the poor people are? The article is all about some huge international agency making a determination where best to send aid. I'll go out on a limb and say satellite imagery isn't going to make any of those more effective.

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    1. Re:Location isn't the problem by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I'll go out on a limb and say satellite imagery isn't going to make any of those more effective.

      What they're trying to make more effective is the UN's control of resources. Whether the UN uses those resources effectively is a separate issue.

    2. Re:Location isn't the problem by beakers_+in_+my+_sne · · Score: 1

      I would think locating poverty isn't the problem. Do we really not know where the poor people are? The article is all about some huge international agency making a determination where best to send aid. I'll go out on a limb and say satellite imagery isn't going to make any of those more effective.

      Here's a quote from the paper in question. Sure, we know where impoverished people are in a general sense. What we lack is the data required for effective decisions regarding aid and developmental assistance.

      Although the quantity and quality of economic data available in developing countries have improved in recent years, data on key measures of economic development are still lacking for much of the developing world. This data gap is hampering efforts to identify and understand variation in these outcomes and to target intervention effectively to areas of greatest need.

      Gathering sufficient data to make such large decisions isn't only difficult in the developing world either. Here in New Zealand we were due to hold our nation wide census on 8th March 2011 though due to the Christchurch earthquake on 22 February 2011, it was cancelled. The earthquake caused an estimated $40 billion NZD worth of damage, approximately 29% of our GDP. The census was eventually rescheduled and held on 5 March 2013. Our Government heavily relies on census data in it's funding forecast models. The two year census data gap introduced significant errors in some models, compounded by significant population and economic changes caused by the earthquake. As a result a number of Government services were incorrectly funded. Over 5 years later and we're still seeing after effects of this data disruption, particularly around the area of mental health funding in the earth quake effected regions. With this in mind, it shouldn't seem so far fetched that satellite imagery will prove a useful tool in accurate poverty mapping.

    3. Re:Location isn't the problem by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      That is an awesome example, thank you. It also illustrates my vaguely hinted at point that a large centralized agency isn't flexible enough to make good decisions. At the scale of New Zealand, you example shows how a change in circumstances can't be effectively adapted to. Imagine how much worse it is at a global scale.

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  30. Oblig XKCD by jellomizer · · Score: 1
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  31. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    There's no reason why the availability of free food and/or clothing should limit the potential to grow other kinds of businesses. On the contrary,the less time you have to worry about food and clothing, the more time is available to explore other business ventures.

  32. After we locate them, what is the next step? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    Once we have found the poor what is the next step? Drone Strike?

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    1. Re:After we locate them, what is the next step? by eaglesrule · · Score: 1

      The next step is to bribe the local rulers and set up sweatshops, and use the guise of 'free trade' to import the goods made by slaves and child labor without the hassle of environmental protection or labor laws.

  33. Re: Basement View by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

    A large part of the Clinton presidency coincided with the dot com bubble, which boosted federal income for a while. Bush had to deal with the aftermath of the crash.

  34. Re:?This is new? by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 1

    Yes, absolutely, electricity is a primary factor. But not the only one. You don't want a binary value, you want to be able to measure and understand subtle differences in poverty, and why specific areas are in poverty or not. So, it's a combination of how much electricity, how many roads and of what type, what sort of water access there is, what sort of roof / infrastructure there is. Combine day and night images, and you have a much more refined measurement than just whether or not there is electricity.

    Free Link to arxiv paper by same authors with related title: Transfer Learning from Deep Features for Remote Sensing and Poverty Mapping. This is not the same paper, but related research. Like many authors they publish in Arxiv to get the information out there, and then 6 months later similarl research appears in a refereed journal.

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  35. Old news by mitchplanck · · Score: 1

    I don't know why this is news. Givedirectly.org has been doing this for years. (https://www.givedirectly.org/operating-model)

  36. Mapping poverty in Africa? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Given the absolute poverty that overwhelmingly covers the Continent, it would be better to map areas WITHOUT poverty as they are few and far between (even Libya has a 33% poverty rate).

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  37. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by ausekilis · · Score: 1

    "Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Don't teach a man to fish, and feed yourself. He's a grown man, and fishing isn't that hard" - Ron Swanson

  38. Re:Waiting for the political correct to whine by dwillden · · Score: 1

    What about in areas where the tracks run north south?

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  39. Looking down on the poor by BringsApples · · Score: 1

    I guess ivory towers are outdated.

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  40. Re: Basement View by tnk1 · · Score: 1

    The United States has never had a zero debt, nor is that even a particularly good idea, since the US debt is a good investment option and also stimulates the economy in a good way, as long as it is kept under control. Debt, in moderation, is good for a state to have.

    What you mean is that Clinton did not have a budget deficit in some years. And that's a good thing for keeping your debt under control, but Clinton was also the primary Presidential beneficiary of being able to draw down after the Cold War. Bush or not, there was never going to be a situation where we would never be in another war again, so no matter which major party candidate was in office in 2001, we were going to be fighting at least one war and running up a bill for it after that date.

  41. Re: Basement View by Dorianny · · Score: 1

    Bush Jr Tax Cuts. The gift that keeps on giving

  42. Re:Basement View by beakers_+in_+my+_sne · · Score: 1

    This imaging project has nothing to do with fixing poverty and everything to do with surveying real estate to find opportunities to make the rich even richer.

    Can I ask what makes you think this? The paper this article references is a study on measuring poverty in the developing world. To quote the authors it uses "survey and satellite data from five African countries—Nigeria,Tanzania, Uganda, Malawi, and Rwanda".

  43. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by lucm · · Score: 1

    > The thing that takes people out of poverties is proper legal and financial structures.

    so, to combat poverty, we should be sending them lawyers and investment advisors. .. i guess they could eat them.

    Here's an example of something that actually happened in Haiti.

    For generations there was an informal justice system in rural areas where a local person of social standing would be the equivalent of a sheriff. They were called "section chief" or something similar. It wasn't perfect but it worked.

    Then the NGOs took over in the 90s, discarded this "antiquated and non-democratic" system and replaced it with police stations affiliated with the national police (because that's how "civilized" law enforcement should be). The people staffing those stations are usually young men from urban areas with zero knowledge of the local culture and no appreciation of the rural lifestyle, and have alienated the population with endless scandals of corruption and brutality. Now the poor people have no protection against crime, instead they have to deal with corrupt cops.

    Then there was the earthquake. Following that, boatloads of free stuff started to arrive in Haiti. Rice, flour, clothes, shoes. And not just the basic stuff. Also car parts, machine tools, generators, solar panels, plumbing hardware. This drove countless Haitian companies, big and small, out of business. Guess what: those people are now penniless and hungry.

    The result is that since the NGOs have been involved in Haiti there's been a constant increase in poverty, crime, corruption and violence. But yeah, keep sending your grain and your used clothes and your advisors to "fight hunger". It won't actually help, it will make things worse, but *you* will feel better, that's what matters.

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  44. Re:THIS WHY FBI GET THE BIG BUCKS @ SLASHDOT by lucm · · Score: 1

    There's no reason why the availability of free food and/or clothing should limit the potential to grow other kinds of businesses. On the contrary,the less time you have to worry about food and clothing, the more time is available to explore other business ventures.

    Why don't you provide more details about those "other business ventures"?

    Just remember that this is a country where crime and corruption are rampant, where there is no reliable electrical grid, where access to clean water is a challenge, where there is no more trees and where there is a very poor network of roads and railways. And fuel is more expensive than in the USA, for people making on average $400 per year.

    Of course thanks to helpful people like yourself it's no longer possible to make money there growing food, making clothes, repairing cars, building houses, manufacturing generators or making solar panels. Education and healthcare are also out. There's little or no resources to mine. And the weak financial system is flooded with small loans startups financed by foreigners.

    What's left? Selling arts and craft on etsy? Creating wordpress themes? Opening sushi bars? Golf courses? Tattoo parlors?

    Please elaborate.

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  45. Re:Waiting for the political correct to whine by lucm · · Score: 1

    What about in areas where the tracks run north south?

    Which ever side is closest to the Mississippi. If you think I'm making this up look at a map of largest US cities.

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  46. post logic by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

    Satellite imagery can be less dangerous, slow and expensive than gathering the data on the ground.

    The opposite of less dangerous, slow and expensive is not the same as safer, faster and cheaper... although I think that is what you meant.

    Phrasing things in the positive is usually not as less unclear.