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Massachusetts Will Tax Ride-Sharing Companies To Subsidize Taxis (reuters.com)

Massachusetts will tax ride-sharing services -- 20 cents for each ride -- with 25% of the money raised going into a special fund for the taxi industry (according to an article shared by schwit1 ). Reuters reports: Ride services are not enthusiastic about the fee. "I don't think we should be in the business of subsidizing potential competitors," said Kirill Evdakov, the chief executive of Fasten, a ride service that launched in Boston last year and also operates in Austin, Texas. Some taxi owners wanted the law to go further, perhaps banning the start-up competitors unless they meet the requirements taxis do, such as regular vehicle inspection by the police...

The fee may raise millions of dollars a year because Lyft and Uber alone have a combined 2.5 million rides per month in Massachusetts... The 5-cent fee will be collected through the end of 2021. Then the taxi subsidy will disappear and the 20 cents will be split by localities and the state for five years. The whole fee will go away at the end of 2026.

Republican Governor Charlie Baker signed the law, which specifically bans ride-sharing services from passing those costs on to their drivers or riders. And the article notes that Taiwan has also hit Uber with a $6.4 million tax bill, while Seattle has passed a new law allowing ride-sharing drivers to unionize.

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  1. What is it that you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're not a taxi service but taxis are potential competitors. Are the like of Uber and Lyft starting to drop the veneer that they don't occupy the same service space as taxi companies? Or are they going to continue with the double speak?

    1. Re:What is it that you say? by tlambert · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're not a taxi service but taxis are potential competitors. Are the like of Uber and Lyft starting to drop the veneer that they don't occupy the same service space as taxi companies?

      I imagine they are saying that if a taxi see someone standing there waiting for an Uber, they might try to "vulch" the customer, and steal it from the Uber driver already en route.

      While it is currently illegal for Uber drivers to do the same to taxis, since they would then have to be fully compliant with taxi regulations.

      For example, it's also illegal for Town Car operators to pick up people at the San Francisco Airport who are waiting for transport, unless they specifically called the Town Car company, even though both the people and the Town Car are there, the Town Car's fare's flight got delayed or cancelled, and there are not Taxis in sight.

      So yes: Taxi's potentially compete with Uber (and Town Cars), but Uber (and Town Cars) does not compete with ad hoc taxi service.

    2. Re:What is it that you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This just means that Taxi services aren't providing the service that customers want. The solution is for Taxi companies to adapt or to push for any legal changes regarding their operations that will allow them to compete.

      Taxing one private company for another's direct subsidy is just un-American.

    3. Re:What is it that you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      a bus-service is also not a taxi-service, yet the 2 do compete for travelers

      A bus is so not like a taxi:
      * Buses involve a ton of waiting.
      * Buses carry more than two or three passengers, so less privacy.
      * Buses won't pick you up at the starting location of your journey. Instead you have to walk to the bus stop.
      * For long distance travel, you may have to take two or three buses (and wait between those buses), unlike a single taxi for the whole trip.
      * Buses are usually cheap, especially if you buy a bus-pass.
      * All that waiting and taking inefficient routes mean buses often take 2 to 5 times longer than a taxi for the same A-to-B trip.

      An uber is sooo similar to a taxi:
      * Instead of waving with your hands to hail a cab, you send a message to Uber's servers, which in turn will send messages to hail a cab for you.
      * Instead of a taxi meter, software on Uber's servers will calculate the fare based on distance traveled, waiting time, etc.
      * Both involve one for-hire driver driving a car.
      * Both involve carrying one to three passengers.
      * Price per mile is very similar, compared to other modes of transport such as bus or train.

      in other words this isn't double-speek

      So "ride-sharing" (or TOI, taxi-over-the-internet), automate just a couple of actions related to taxis, but are otherwise, they are exactly the same as taxis.

  2. Subsidizing Businesses.... by iCEBaLM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is like taxing car owners to subsidize stage coaches.

    1. Re:Subsidizing Businesses.... by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Go ahead and keep defending pathological douchebags like this guy. Medallion owners are speculative parasites and their chickens are coming home to roost, and they sooooo deserve it. Seriously, fuck them . . . couldn't happen to a more antisocial, greedier bunch of dicks.

  3. Re:And if you believe that... by Wycliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Instead, the tolls are one way: you pay them, if you are a nasty, low income person coming from Emeryville into San Francisco, but not if you are a wonderful, high income person going from San Francisco to Emeryville.

    The tolls are one-way because they know that 99.99% of people travel back to where they came from so instead of making people stop twice to pay the toll, it's more convenient for *everyone* to just collect it once.

  4. As an ex-cabbie... by spywhere · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...I am biased, but there is logic behind my bias.
    Municipalities require licensing for taxi services because the taxi drivers are conducting the actual business transaction -- agreeing to transport the customer for a price, whether pre-agreed or subject to a meter reading, at the point of pickup within the municipality.
    Most municipalities also require background checks for the drivers and company owners, and have safety requirements for the vehicles, as [a means to ensure customer safety | a revenue generator].
    Passengers, however, are unscreened and unknown. They might come in from a phone call, or they might hail a taxi on the street.
    Most of the risk, both financial and otherwise, falls on the drivers.

    So, along come Uber, Lyft and their ilk, conducting the transactions online (thus, outside the municipality) and essentially reversing the standard cabbie/passenger dynamic: the passengers are pre-identified (to sign up, they needed a cell phone, a credit card and a valid address to go with it), and the drivers are unknown (except to the companies, which do little or no effective screening). The vehicles used are unlikely to meet the requirements for taxi use, and are often flat-out unsafe for drivers, passengers, or bystanders.

    The companies start doing business anywhere they like, and fight against the requirements -- only if challenged -- with funds from their financial backers.
    Municipalities are not happy about this, for both safety and financial reasons. Taxi owners and drivers, most of whom have invested considerable time and money to clear regulatory hurdles, are understandably upset at this end run around the law.

    Imagine if Internet gun sellers showed up doing business in NYC or Washington, D.C. and claimed similar exemption from the local (highly restrictive) laws...

  5. Subsidies by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    LMOL yes moron Uber competes with taxi service.

    Sure. Any transport method that is used instead of another is competition. Walking, bicycles, private cars, motorcycles, skateboards, Segways, busses, subways, jitneys, hansoms, taxis, limos, Uber... all competitors that reduce opportunity for the others.

    Anyway, the story is that Uber's earnings will be garnished to subsidize taxis. I wonder, would people approve if their bicycles and cars and so on were taxed specifically to subsidize taxis and/or other transportation methods?

    It's fascinating to see the "this business has a right to exist, workable business model or not" attitude arise in a new space, and to watch the politicians be bought and sold accordingly.

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  6. Re:When it stops moving, subsidize it... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And all the laws that were designed to prevent banking meltdowns didn't stop the last meltdown

    This is specifically not accurate.

    The Glass-Steagall Act prevented major banking meltdowns since it was passed in the aftermath of the Great Depression. We're talking a 50-60 year track record of success.

    The affiliation provisions were struck in 1999, and within a decade there was a major banking crisis. The seeds of that destruction were sown almost immediately after the law was changed. Because, surprise, banks are still run by short-sighted, overly "clever" assholes who will do anything to turn a quick buck.

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