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FBI Finds 14,900 More Documents From Hillary Clinton's Email Server (go.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from ABC News: The FBI uncovered nearly 15,000 more emails and materials sent to or from Hillary Clinton as part of the agency's investigation into her use of private email at the State Department. The documents were not among the 30,000 work-related emails turned over to the State Department by her attorneys in December 2014. The State Department confirmed it has received "tens of thousands" of personal and work-related email materials -- including the 14,900 emails found by the FBI -- that it will review. At a status hearing Monday before federal Judge Emmett Sullivan, who is overseeing that case, the State Department presented a schedule for how it would release the emails found by the FBI. The first group of 14,900 emails was ordered released, and a status hearing on Sept. 23 "will determine the release of the new emails and documents," Sullivan said. "As we have previously explained, the State Department voluntarily agreed to produce to Judicial Watch any emails sent or received by Secretary Clinton in her official capacity during her tenure as secretary of state which are contained within the material turned over by the FBI and which were not already processed for FOIA by the State Department," said State Department spokesman Mark Toner in a statement issued Monday. "We can confirm that the FBI material includes tens of thousands of non-record (meaning personal) and record materials that will have to be carefully appraised at State," it read. "State has not yet had the opportunity to complete a review of the documents to determine whether they are agency records or if they are duplicative of documents State has already produced through the Freedom of Information Act" said Toner, declining further comment.
Not because he's necessarily more honest than Hillary but simply because 95% of the press will refuse to give him a free pass for literally everything he does.
If Hillary gets elected then press-protected official bribery becomes the new "normal".
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
I can't wait to see Hillary in an orange jump suit and Bernie Sanders in his rightful place as King of murica
These are the candidates. You either vote for a walking Meme, conveniently resuscitated as a living anachronism of our post apocalyptic plutocratic future, or a woman who could have faced charges for everything from obstruction of justice to murder or even treason yet unaccountably shows up once a week in a $12,000 designer potato sack to advocate on behalf of the middle class.
alternate candidates? why i thought youd never ask! it boils down to a woman who openly questions the science of everything from GMO's to simple vaccination, and laundry list of "break glass in case of party meltdown" candidates with about a fortnight of facetime with the american people. See you at the polls! and in 3 years immediately behind the burnt out wreckage of an MRAP as we trade rations for ammunition and clothing amidst what used to be a shopping center.
Good people go to bed earlier.
None of Hillary Clinton's work-related emails discovered by the FBI after being deleted from her private server have been released, raising questions about whether any will be seen in public before Election Day.
http://thehill.com/policy/nati...
She's even gone as far to blame a black man for telling her to do what she did.
Of course she had intent. She used a personal email server to avoid this very event. Now it is happening anyway.
Of course, it will be whitewashed anyway, too.
While I agree she's dirtier than a coal miner working overtime, "what difference, at this point, does it make". We've established pretty thoroughly that she's above the law, so why is the FBI even continuing this farce? Further budget negotiations? I had assumed that FBI and DOJ had secured the appropriate monetary concessions from the coming Clinton budget when Justice announced no intent to bring charges. This is just baffling.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
The people at State who have to appraise this material are the ones she was supposed to turn ALL of her co-mingled material over to on the day she left office. State's archivists are the ones who are supposed to weed through and figure out what's personal and what's not when someone in her role chooses to make everything personal. If she'd actually followed the rules and delivered all of it to them years ago as she was supposed to, she could have spent a solid year or two talking down all of the conflicts of interest and signs of corruption between her family business and access to her and her power as SoS and have Clinton-ed most of it into "the past" by now. She's got only herself to blame for deliberately ignoring her departure requirements, and then for slow-walking and hiding all of this stuff until it had to be pried out by the damn FBI and through suits pointing out FOIA shenanigans.
State will now say that it will take until next year to review this new material - plenty of time to stonewall and foot-drag past November. Her supporters are still running around claiming she hasn't once lied about any of this, and that nothing inappropriate to a private home-based mail server ever passed through her hands, despite the FBI pointing out the opposite.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
This wasn't "normal" discovery. It was half-assed discovery that might get someone sanctioned in different circumstances. Withholding evidence from a private party is bad enough. Withholding it from the Feds is yet another example of something that the little people get severely punished for.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
This is totally false. Did you forget the 9 hard drives that simultaneously failed a few years ago? I read a nice article covering the odds that 9 drives would fail immediately upon request of the data on them, and the number of zeros before the decimal on the percentage was staggering. They did totally remove emails, just because it wasn't a delete icon on a mail client doesn't mean they were not destroyed as soon as someone asked for them.
Vote for the Libertarian and the Greens and get a proper debate going for once. America has a lot of problems which need real attention. The two major parties are a crapfest of corruption and greed. There needs to be an open dialog. It's time the third parties got a say. It's funny how Americans bang on about free speech yet they deny their political parties a voice.
Yeah well there's just so many other options to choose from. You've got the corporate Teflon, the thought crime promoting nutcase, the de facto plutocrat who would let the invisible hand screw us right on over, and the conspiracy nutter who thinks wifi will fry your brain, and two of them don't even count. The options are so shitty I can't even protest vote, and if you go to any of the more minor parties you find theocrats, would-be communist overlords, and other assholes. There is literally no one who represents me, no one promoting reasonable reform where necessary without all the usual wingnut idiocy. This election day I see no get out of bed, except maybe to write in I. C. Wiener on my ballot. This election is genuinely disheartening.
Can't be too hard to find the emails.
1) Trump suggests that Russian hackers find the missing emails for us.
2) Major hack attributed to Russians.
3) ???
4) FBI finds thousands of Hillary's missing emails.
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
Her team did not "delete" emails -- that is a deliberately misleading term.
Yes, they did delete them. They even SAID they deleted them. That the server that had contained them had had all of its contents destroyed once they were done picking out the stuff that was work related.
What *actually* happened is they used discovery software to filter emails based on keywords.
But the lie she told was that her lawyers read each and every email. She knew that wasn't true, and so was lying. But that's OK, because her supporters know she lies to them, and they like being lied to.
People should really appreciate the amount of effort the FBI put into looking for malfeasance.
People should also recognize that they FBI could only look for corruption (and worse) within the material they had available. Clinton did not provide all of the requested material. She said she did, but that was another lie. Not an oversight, but a lie. Because we're not talking about "oops, a couple of emails you should have seen slipped through the cracks" - but "oops, thousands and thousands of emails you should have seen in that pile I printed out without header info were deleted."
In short: this fantasy that Hillary attempted to delete evidence is completely without basis
Other than the part where, you know, her records were deleted after her team put on a show of pulling out what they thought would make the appearance of complying with her requirements ... years after she was supposed to have turned ALL of it over to State so their archivists could make the distinction between personal and work-related records from her deliberately co-mingled collection.
What she *has* done is tried to *misrepresent*, the most egregious being her assertion that Comey agrees with her.
That was egregious, but it's hardly the worst of it. She knowingly, willingly, and repeatedly lied about her motivations and actions, and deliberately slow-walked and stonewalled at every turn. The fact that she'd whip up yet another lie to make it sound like the FBI's very clear identification of her multiple "untruths" on the matter is only egregious because it shows that she's still willing to lie even when she knows that we all know she's doing it. None of that matters, of course. Her supporters like that she lies, and none of that is legally meaningful. What IS legally meaningful is her testimony in front of congress. She spent long hours carefully avoiding direct answers to questions to she wouldn't perjure herself. We'll see if she's still as slippery on that front as her reputation suggests.
Separate from all of that, of course, is the actual content of the messages now being read. They exhibit a very clear pattern of tying access to her and her policy influence to being willing to dump piles of cash into her family business while she was in office. Legal jeopardy there? Hard to say. That would once again be Loretta Lynch's call, and we already know where she stands.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
I think we would all understand your naive point of view if it weren't for the fact that
a) She intentionally went through the pain to have this server to begin with
b) She tried to obliterate every e-mail that she didn't directly approve to hand over (i.e. you can't try to run discovery again, with better parameters or per a court order)
c) Lie to the public about what her team did when handing e-mails over (she said repeatedly that with certainty she had handed over every work e-mail). She did not say "we tried our best" and would be happy to look again if you think we made a mistake
d) Lie to investigators about what her team did
e) Knowingly lie about transmittal of classified information
f) Lie about (not?) knowing what classified information marks are
g) Lying about approval of the setup...
Shall I go on?
You claim normal discovery. I think it was normal discovery + a through scrub + a bunch of other shady shit.
There needs to be more investigations into Hillary Clinton. It's not like Congress is busy doing anything else.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Hillary is stupid, not malicious. Let's assume for the moment that neither Donald or Hillary are actually as evil as we make them out to be.
Let's also assume for the moment that Hillary wanted to have an e-mail address with a domain name the added to her marketing value and she asked some egg-head if he/she could make it happen. Now assume that the egghead recognizes that she's the secretary of state as well as the former first lady of a two term president.
Now the egghead hears her ask for this and he's like "Well, I can't put that on our internal servers... what else can I do to make it happen?" Of course the egghead isn't a lawyer and he/she doesn't want to be cock-blocked by some manager and then go back to Hillary and tell her/him (still not sure) that he screwed up and now her dreams of having a her marketing slogan as a domain name for her e-mail will not be possible.
So... what does he do? Well, not being a lawyer or understanding what it would mean, he sets up a new mail server that would allow her to send messages to Bill like "Make sure you leave your cigars at your intern's house before coming home... oh and buy milk." without them ending up as public record.
I honestly wonder if the e-mail is the best thing they can come up with. Hillary isn't particularly exciting, but she's pretty awful at her job... unless you consider her job as Secretary of State as a personal self-promotion, optimal for ladder climbing... where in that case, she's great at her job. She has to have incredible amounts of crap they can use on her without even digging too deep. And the e-mail thing which I'm damn near convinced is basically technical incompetence as opposed to intentional malicious deception of the country.
Let's also consider that there's absolutely nothing related to the e-mail that will cause Trump to win. He's like the golden goose or the gift that keeps giving to anyone who opposes him. After all, I think that even Dan Quayle could have won running against Trump. Al Gore could have creamed him. Instead, the country leaves Hillary as the opposition and while she looks like she has a landslide, you know you suck when it's months before election and people can still identify a possibility that Trump could possibly win.
Democrats... what the hell were you thinking when you supported Hillary?
Republicans... what the hell were you thinking when you supported Trump?
You both had better candidates and you actually chose the most entertaining ones as opposed to someone you might actually want in office.
If other parties have a decent showing then it may force the media to start paying attention to the other parties. A third-party vote is not a non-vote, it is a vote against the 2-party system. The desired outcome is presidential debates which feature more than 2 people, so that people can actually educate themselves about who represents them the best instead of voting based on fear.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
For this election, no. But if third parties get more votes this election they stand to do better next election. They might poll better next election which helps get them onto national televised debates, increasing their exposure. This election season has already shown people are sick of the establishment. People need to see third parties as a chance to get away from the establishment.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
There's no law requiring candidates to release their tax records - Nixon did it as a ploy to show he was a 'good guy' and thus begat the tradition. Are you a big fan of Nixonian traditions? If you are, then Hillary is your candidate this time.
Candidates ARE required to file full financials with the FEC under oath which are far more detailed and which Trump did indeed file a year ago.
Now, how about that other tradition of campaign transparency:
Candidates have never (before Obama) refused to release their academic records and birth certificates. Obama refused to produce a birth certificate until long into his administration, when he produced a low-res PDF of what may be a copy of his as a manipulation of the public. His refusal to release is what caused Hillary's 2008 campaign to start the whole "birther" thing, which brought wider attention to it. I'm NOT a birther, I think Obama cleverly used the whole issue to bring out the conspiracy nuts and then paint ALL his critics as crazy birthers. Obama has kept all his academic records sealed. We do not know what courses he took, what his grades were, or even if and when he graduated. It's curious that unlike past presidents, we do not know who his teachers were or who was in classes with him, etc. Again, I'm not implying a conspiracy here other than to ask why he is so opaque and why his supporters do not want to know this stuff that we have easily known about all past presidents- and why they demand to know stuff about Trump that they did not need to know about their messiah.
She told us that about Benghazi because it was a few short weeks before the election. Obama was campaigning on a "everything is just fine, we have been doing a great job" campaign theme. Hillary needed to control the narrative. It doesn't help that the reasonAmbassador Stevens was in Benghazi was to sell weapons to ISIS.
So few people mention the timeline. It was a burgeoning October Surprise, and so they decided a Filmmaker protest would work as an explanation until after the election.
Trump is under no legal obligation to share his tax returns. I think that he should, but that is just an expectation of a candidate for the office - it holds no legal weight. But his situation is *very* different from the criminal activities that Hillary has been engaging in.
This is ONLY because the system has been rigged by the two parties to be a two party system.
Imagine for a second, that NO party affiliation marking for office holders appeared on the ballot, and all you saw were names.
So, instead of Hillary Clinton (D) - it was just "Hillary Clinton"
And all the idiot (D) and (R) voters who know NOTHING about actual candidates randomly picked whomever from the list of 5 - 8 names on the ballot, how that would spread the vote out, so that no person ever got to 50%.
Imagine for a second, that ONLY two or three people were on the ballot for the General Election, having secured those positions by voting in the primary (completely open none-partisan) election where no party was ever mentioned.
Imagine then, the following, California primary for President, has the primary winners being Hillary and Bernie, with Jill Stein as third place (and qualified for Nov), and Texas has Trump and Cruz and possibly Hillary, and Florida, Trump, Rubio and Bernie. And Ohio for Kasich, Hilary and Bernie ...
Now, imagine how the ENTIRE population is properly represented, rather than the crappy choices we have today between Dumb and Dumber, and two third party candidates that people WANT to vote for, but are too afraid that it might mean Hillary or Donald actually wins.
I mean, if EVERYONE I know, who is voting, but is voting not FOR someone, but rather to keep the OTHER out actually voted for Gary Johnson (L), he would win in a landslide. So, if you aren't voting FOR someone, please vote FOR Gary Johnson.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Even if you though she could have her own private email server, She had a Fiduciary Responsibility to maintain ALL the proper records and get them archived properly. She failed either due to incompetence or malice. And quite frankly, I don't care which answer people choose, both are disqualification IMHO
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Democrats... what the hell were you thinking when you supported Hillary?
The super delegate system, plus some rigging at the DNC, ensured there was never really a choice. Potential qualified competitors realized that Hillary had all the super delegates bought and paid for, so they didn't even bother. Bernie was dug up as an 'opponent', a sham primary was had- it got a little out of control- and in the end, the pre-determined outcome was obtained.
I think few people really support Hillary. They're just being obedient to the party.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
It came out today she lied to the FBI when they questioned her as well.
She said Colin Powell suggested she use a private email server when talking to the FBI, that is her public claim that she told the FBI. Powell said he explained his AOL account usage 9 months into her term as Secretary of State. He said he never encouraged her to use a private email, or private email server. Not that it mattered what he told her, she set it up before he had contact with her.
So she lied under oath to Congress, destroyed evidence, and lied to the FBI when they questioned her.
So if she wanted to be all above-board, and use good software - why did she PRINT them out, forcing the FBI to scan and do OCR and patchup on tens of thousands of pages of text? She could have just turned over that database you claim she could filter through...
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Her husband lied under oath. Now she's lying under oath. What do you expect from the Clintons? I thought she would wait until she became president, but she has surpassed my wildest expectations.
There is plenty of disappointment to go around.
Democrat, come on...you should have know. You guys think of yourself as the educated ones and yet education must not preclude the possibility of insanity. It seems like you've repeated your mistake expecting different results.
Republican, I can't really blame you. The rest of your candidates sucked too.
Libertarian, too bad you can't find a candidate that isn't a non-interventionalist. Come on, Americans love to meddle. If you can't win this election you should just give up. Disband. Whatever parties do when they are no longer relevant.
If you're not disillusioned with this election, regardless of your party, you must be insane.