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Microsoft Apps Will Be Pre-loaded On Lenovo and Motorola Android Devices (betanews.com)
An anonymous reader writes: There was a time when Microsoft was seen as the enemy of Linux and Apple communities. Understandably, at the time, the company only wanted Windows to succeed. Nowadays, however, the operating system is sort of inconsequential. Microsoft seems happy to have its software succeed on 'competitor' platforms such as iOS, Android, macOS, Ubuntu and more. Today, Microsoft announces that it has partnered with Lenovo on a new mobile initiative. The Windows-maker's productivity apps will be pre-loaded on Lenovo and Motorola-branded devices running Google's Linux-based Android operating system.As of earlier this year, Microsoft had over 74 Android OEM partners. As for submitter's take on this, it's pretty simple. Microsoft is going where users are. If they are not going to purchase Windows Phones, Microsoft will go to Android and iOS.
My submission was clearer about this: https://slashdot.org/submissio...
Lenovo/Motorola aren't going along with this because they legitimately think customers want Microsoft bloatware. They're doing this to avoid the ~$10 patent tax that Microsoft extracts from Android OEMs so that SD cards will work out-of-the-box (their patent on the exFAT file system, to be precise).
See subject: It's in data/information which those apps/programs merely process & ride on the OS involved to do it...
* It's always BEEN that... & it doesn't MATTER where or HOW you go about it.
APK
P.S.=> It's the "end all/be all" & "raison d'etre" for all of it... apk
How about this: If I want a M$ product on my device, I'll install it.
They don't care if it's the OS or the Office apps, whatever the software they are trying to push they use the same strategy, make it default, force everyone to use their software, force vendors to ship it and nothing else, force schools to teach it and call it computer education so that kids grow up with with office and windows as the definition for "computer".
Because of this, they are still everyone's enemy, so don't pretend like anything has changed... especially after the secure boot shit they pulled on all of us non windows users.
I wouldn't put it past MS to use this to get a foot in the door, get some users hooked on whatever migration... then start belly-aching about how stuff is "locked down" and "incompatible" with what they really want in a device. Then we get the return of Windows Phone. Like Clippy, it will never truly die.
Not just preinstalled, but fraudulently flagged system so you can't uninstall them. Similar to Facebook and a host of other crapware on my Samsung.
dressed in yellow tunics, smiling, singing "Hare Krishna", playing drums and throwing flowers to the masses.
More seriously: I distrust them deeply, based on 40 years of history. It'll take a while for them to earn some trust with me.
...of putting spyware and other crapware on their devices. When it's the only company whose computers are not allowed to be used on US government work, that says a lot.
I have one of their 'preloaded' phones, A3 from Samsung.
Their apps start up in the background when you do not use them. If you force close them, they start on the next data connection. Stuff like Word has permissions inappropriate to its use: microphone, camera/video access etc. Word starts up in the background too, despite never using it, it frequently starts up after I've force closed it. Large amounts of data are sent by these apps with no explanation or justification. I do not use their apps. I cannot uninstall them.
When you connect the phone to non- Windows devices it will complain its not a valid Windows device! I first noticed this little cuty when I plugged it into a drone, but it does it on other stuff too. That's a little bonus nastyware. And from what I've read their apps are just hollow shell apps. Barely functional. If you need to use Word, using Word on Android is NO SUBSTITUTE. It's just a little mini-app.
DO NOT BUY PHONES PRELOADED WITH THIS CRAPWARE. It's the worst kind of unwanted crap.
I'm sure these phones are probably even worse than Samsung, does it have their voice control forcibly installed? Does it have their search engine installed and non-removable?
dressed in yellow tunics, smiling, singing "Hare Krishna"
And then ending up sued by someone smiling and singing "dulang dulang dulang".
How do I root an A3, I found an app that does it, but some sources flag the app as malware and I see its from Chinese source, so I'm doubtful. There doesn't appear to be a legitimate way to unlock a Samsung device provided by Samsung.
I won't be buying anymore Samsung devices. If I'd be warned about this one and its pre-installed Microsoft crap, I wouldn't have bought this one. Naive me, thought if I never opened it, it would never be running. Yet I turn on Developer options and see in Process stats its running 100% of the time.
Even despite me force closing it everytime I start a data connection, its managed to be running 64% of the time. UpdateUserInfoService 64%, AsyncMoveService 64%, Taskservuce 64%, Autouploadservice 64%, Modaluploadservice 64%.
Oh and look, Word has restarted. I only just killed it 10 minutes or so ago and its running again.
My laptop died while I was on travel. I want to select my next expensive device carefully, so I need a disposable computer, something I can hand off to a computerless person in a few months. I went last night to Micro Center and bought a $219 Acer laptop, a $55 250GB SSD and a $35 8GB stick of DDR3L RAM. And a screwdriver, spudger and static strap.
2 hours later, I was able to shove an Ubuntu 16.04 live DVD into the drive of this thing and start computing on the hotel network. The removed 500GB hard drive preloaded with Windows 10 (yuck) and the OEM 4GB stick of RAM sat alongside it.
I was able to completely avoid Microsoft's preloaded pile of shit and other than throwing a couple of switches in the BIOS, it was fairly painless...for me*. And I got a pretty responsive system for my effort. Compare and contrast to the cellphone situation.
I roll with an iPhone for this reason. My last Android device (HTC Desire Z) was my last Android device, ever.
*this system being such a POS that I had to remove the entire motherboard, blower fan and WLAN card to change out one SODIMM of RAM. The plastic bottom even has a nifty RAM chip pressed into the (nonremovable) solid bottom of the case, as if it were some kind of access door.
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
M$ has not changed its stripes, they are still antagonistic to Linux but do not want anything like a repeat of what is happening on smartphones. I'd believe it if they started supporting a version of M$ Office on a selection of Linux distros.
"There was a time when Microsoft was seen as the enemy of Linux and Apple communities."
Lol, "there was a time". And that "time" is "now".
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
See subject: It's IMPOSSIBLE to beat a cost saving per handset Linux offered for MS selling an OS vs. a FREE one in Linux (only reason why Linux was successful there, & partially iOS for Apple too (but imo, they overcharge)).
APK
P.S.=> They say "talk's cheap"? Not when MONEY DOES THE TALKING (especially on smartphones)... apk
So they just want to give up market space to Samsung and Apple?
Where is the appity-app-app guy? This story is tailor made for him. After about 50 comments, no sign of him. It's like a story involving Russia without an "In Soviet Russia" joke.
Perhaps he was the "anonymous submitter"?
For the last several years I've enjoyed Motorola phones. Their version of Android is pretty darn vanilla, and the amount of bloat-ware was relatively little.
Oh well.
Then you should not complain about anything made by the dark forces...in Soviet Russia Windows blows you!
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Microsofy has always been an app developer. They make almost nothing on their OS installations. MS developed on platforms made by hardware companies and couldnt innovate because high priced development was as much hardware problem as software problem. By assuming the burden as a software OS developer it alleviated hardware development cost and thus made hardware cheaper.
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And now you ask why pre-install MS apps? Most people will encounter data and not know how to install the MS helper apps to interact. Is this administrative move saving the newbie user a tech support call or hours of non-productivity at a company? Is MS providing a fancy Certificate with that installation? I think the Cell Phone conpanies are pre-installing apps to justify higher pricetag and then strawman blaming MS. How many companies like their product to look well supported and bursting with apps? That was the eBay scene in the 90's; billowing forth thousands of demo discs on fresh hardware. To buy a MS app, you went to an aisle in the back and below OS2 Warp or Dr Solomon's AV was a big burly MS product where you got a certificate and 99% weight was companion documantion books. MS is known for beautiful sweet-smelling books. My Fortran and MS macro-assembler books still give me a hardon that Borland never gave me! The strawman blaning cell phone conpanies are trying to shotgun blast any apps pre-installed just like back in the 90's but without the certificate and without the arousing smell and when caught or asked by anyone like Ballmer they just keel over liek a sweet lolly and say "yresss prease take what we got for rit yrou breautifur hransome mronkies! Huurrrry! Prost on Srassdot that mean Americhan MS git ten dorrars for apps pre-insstrarrd!"
I don't think you can call it patent trolling when Android is a direct competitor to a line of business they've continuously had for a couple of decades
Microsoft didn't as much had "competitors" and they didn't "had a business line for a couple of decades", as much as they've "continuously struggled, trying unsuccessfully to get a foot in a market that they don't even properly understand".
Nowadays, when Microsoft tries to do something out of their Windows 10 Phone, they've in practice lost to iOS and Android.
Back then, in the Windows Mobile era, Nokia's Symbian and Blackberry were the dominant platforms.
Back before, in the Windows CE era, Palm's PalmOS was the better platform.
They never actually owned the market.
And somebody who :
- is abusing their patent portfolio to get a share of the dominant in a marker that they can't conquest
- for something as trivial as exFAT (hey, it's just like fat, except with an allocation bitmap instead) or LFN (hey, lets invent filenames that are longer than 8.3, and call them something like VFAT)
- which is actually mandatory for some industry standard (SDXC is simply SDHC with mandatory exFAT. Other wise you can trivially plug a 256 GB SDXC card into a "up 32 GB only SDHC" reader as long as you either install a FUSE driver for exFAT or reformat the card into something that your OS can read - like UDF - but there is no physical difference between SDXC and SDHC (unlike the older plain SD))
that qualifies as a patent troll in my book.
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The problem is that Microsoft is adding ~$10 to the cost of every Android device with their patent trolling.
Its not patent trolling when you actually created the thing, others think that the thing would be beneficial to them, and these others are fully aware up front that this thing is covered by a patent.
... it's only value is compatibility with Windows desktops ...
Actually FAT is commonly used on USB sticks and SD cards by Mac and Linux users as well. FAT is the "I'd like to read/write this anywhere" option.
Microsoft forces SD card manufacturers to sell their cards pre-formatted only with Microsoft-patented file systems.
So you think SD card manufacturers would like to sell platform specific formatted cards instead of a common format that Windows, Mac, and Linux (and many embedded) users can all read/write?
You think Linux users would be happy with pre-formatted ext3 cards that cost a little more due to lower volumes, are a little harder to find in brick and mortar when you are in a hurry?
I imagine SD card manufacturers have a genuine interest in FAT, a common format.
Well firstly you would need to show that its only monopolistic weight that goes into the decision and not that market forces (i.e. compatibility between Windows, Mac, Linux and some embedded users) that is behind the decision to use FAT. For example you don't think camera manufacturers and others don't want to use a format that all desktop platforms can read? Things are far more complicated than you suggest.
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Microsoft is still the same evil corporation it was before. The difference is Microsoft lost the OS wars in the end and are solving the problem through the threat of violence on OEMs who would rather not ship with Microsoft's offerings. They're utilizing patents and the courts/legal system (ie violence, theft, etc) to blackmail others into submission (or threat thereof).
Microsoft offers nothing of value to GNU/Linux users and those shipping with Android and similar operating systems. Those patents are all garbage. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to utilize a different file system if it were not for MS's monopoly. It was used (and some cases it wasn't even really used, like in the Tom Tom case) only to retain compatibility and that was because of Microsoft's monopoly which gave them the ability to refuse to implement support for other filesystems. Certainly this is monopolistic. If Microsoft had supported other filesystems like every other company we wouldn't be forced into utilizing it's shitty 'patented' filesystem. The patents don't actually provide anything of value. They are more or less a form of DRM. It's nothing more than a mechanism to force people to cough up cash to implement compatibility.
We should get rid of copyright, patents, and similar. The only one with some legitimacy are trademarks and that's an issue of fraud really. I shouldn't own the mark, just the right to sue for label, slander, and fraud should someone use it to deceive others into buying what they think is our product, etc. However I would argue that the case that patents are enforced in malicious ways against those not actually committing fraud. There is no reason someone should be prohibited from using a trademark provided it's not in a way to deceive. Utilizing it to criticize a company or on a product page linking to reviews or similar should not require permission. I'd even go so far as to argue patents should be limited to off-line scenarios and other systems of authentication should be implemented into the software to verify authenticity (we should never censor a site that sells fraudulent goods, but our technical systems should enable people to differentiate between legitimate and illegitimate, or between what people recognize thereof, so if I start using a name/brand/etc I build up a reputation under that name then anybody else using that name should be in competition for said name would have to spend a lot to overtake its legitimacy, and that might even not work should the history aspects factor in, plus category, so penguin, a company that distributes ICE is as legitimate as penguin, a company that publishes book, is as legitimate as penguin, a company that sells computers with the GNU/Linux support, etc).
"Microsoft seems happy to have its software succeed on 'competitor' platforms such as iOS, Android" especially as Microsoft is extracting revenue out of Android OEM equipment manufacturers.
and it's now. Corporate culture trying to co-opt Free because their business model is at risk. Sure their our friends now, not filthy monopolist scum. How can't they see that we left them behind for a reason and we'd rather they didn't follow to piss in our pool.
since I now wont consider buying any Motorola or Lenovo phones.
Google lets them on their OS's because Google is also US government SPYWARE.
Just do not buy:
ooo Lenovo (already never did)
ooo Motorola (will make sure not to)
ooo Microsoft (anything)
ooo Chrome (never do)
ooo Skype (the kids run by behind you naked and they are now child porn)
ooo Apple (same as all of the above plus they are homo)
Android use for phone stuff but use Orbot and Tutanota apps.
Just another reason to never buy a Motorola smartphone.
If I buy a Nexus device it will come pre-baked with Google crapware, 90% of which I'll never use. And then every 3 days or so notify me that 9 of those applications have been updated. Is MS Office inherently more evil than the Google suite if you want to open a Word attachment on your phone?
If privacy is your thing, buy a generic device, and flash cyanogenmod with f-droid.
FWIW, I use Outlook on Android because Google can't write an email client. first aosp, then GMail and now some concept interface with Inbox - they all suck.