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WikiLeaks Published Rape Victims' Names, Credit Cards, Medical Data (arstechnica.com)
Joe Mullin, writing for ArsTechnica: Even as WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange sits trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy, the WikiLeaks website continues to publish the secrets of various governments worldwide. But that's not all it's publishing. A report today by the Associated Press highlights citizens who had "sensitive family, financial or identity records" published by the site. "They published everything: my phone, address, name, details," said one Saudi man whose paternity dispute was revealed in documents published by the site. "If the family of my wife saw this... Publishing personal stuff like that could destroy people." One document dump, from Saudi diplomatic cables, held at least 124 medical files. The files named sick children, refugees, and patients with psychiatric conditions. In one case, the cables included the name of a Saudi who was arrested for being gay. In Saudi Arabia, homosexuality is punishable by death. In two other cases, WikiLeaks published the names of teenage rape victims. "This has nothing to do with politics or corruption," said Dr. Nayef al-Fayez, who had a patient with brain cancer whose personal details were published.
Publish away! All the things!
Wikileaks has devolved into pretty much just Julian and a disciple or two. He doesn't have the bandwidth to do vetting, he's just burning the Earth now.
Yet another Wikileaks hit-piece. Are there any legitimate editors on this site or do they just unquestioningly regurgitate the party line?
I trust Wikileaks a whole lot more than the average Associated Press news story full of random bullshit attributed to "sources speaking anonymously because they were not authorized." We're not dumb, we don't want a filter and "think of the children" is how dictators often climb to power.
it IS ars(e) after all. and yea, I noticed that about slashdot editors too but luckily, slashdot readers are more diverse & based than the editors. (thxfully)
As the person was already arrested, I assume the govt already knows their name and their punishment is already lined up. Making this info widely public is probably the only way anyone else will ever know what happened to this person.
Feels to me like a hit piece put out there to discredit the massive drops Wikileaks has be releasing lately. Rumor is they're sitting on the really good stuff until we're closer to the election.
This article is little more than fluff
I had no idea Wikileaks supported ****TEEN RAPE****. Well that settles it,who cares what information is released in the coming months pertaining to immoral and illegal actions committed at the highest levels of government. How can one ever believe an outlet that is associated with****TEEN RAPE****.
I'm sure if you were a rape victim who had her details just mindlessly thrown on to the web, you would totally understand that your revictimization was totally necessary to this "war".
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Maybe we should be angry that this type of sensitive information is in diplomatic cables. Why are medical records, credit card info and other stuff being stored and transmitted by government agents in the first place?
He doesn't "sit trapped in the Ecuadorean embassy" any more than a prissy teenage girl who is mad at her parents and doesn't wanna come down for dinner sits trapped in her room. He can just walk out of there whenever he pleases. The only risk he'd face would be major embarrassment after NOT being deported to the US.
There's also that matter of cooperating with a foreign power committing espionage in an effort to influence an election in the U.S. We're supposed to trust that the Russians haven't altered any of those emails? When the source is a foreign intelligence service, that makes Wikileaks a tool.
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Maybe we should be angry that this type of sensitive information is in diplomatic cables. Why are medical records, credit card info and other stuff being stored and transmitted by government agents in the first place?
Most likely they are assisting people who became sick way from their home country. Are you bothered by the government helping people?
Why wouldn't they? If, for example, I was mugged (say, both robbed and say beaten with a stick) in a foreign country, I could fully expect the police report to end up in a diplomatic transmission, which would include the stolen identity/credit card information as well as the medical records that described my injuries. Crimes against foreign nationals would often go though the State Department and whatever equivalent the other nation had.
I dont know the circumstances of all the cases described in these cases, but there are plenty of reasonable and legal reasons for a government body to have that information that does not involve Big Brother spying.
Common Sense isn't as Common as people think...
Hillary Clinton's PR firm must be in overdrive trying to discredit Wikileaks.
Time to get out the popcorn, this should get interesting.
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derp derpa derp. That's what the majority of people were saying here a few years ago. Transparency!
Any actual evidence the Ruskies are involved in any way?
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I'm sorry, I missed the trial that convicted him. Then again, everyone knows that once accused it's guilty unless proven innocent beyond any doubt, especially in sex offenses committed by men.
I thought that the parent post was intended as sarcasm. Poe's Law. He left out the "/s".
Yeah, that's definitely how it works in Saudi Arabia, where the women in question live.
Cool story, bro. But what it has to do with revealing the identities of two teenage Saudi rape victims, I don't know.
You are right. He should have a trial. What's that? He is hiding in an embassy to avoid having to go to trial. That seems a little strange.
I was not aware they ever did any vetting, and if they did, what their standard of care was
Wikileaks absolutely does "vetting" and "curation". They will edit things to remove facts contrary to the narrative they wish to promote. For example when US helicopters kill some journalists in Iraq they will remove the early parts of the video showing these journalists traveling down the street with a group of armed militants only blocks from where US ground forces are engaged in combat.
Exactly. That is, after all, a very large part of an embassy's job, to assist citizens of that country when in a foreign country, and to communicate any needs or concerns back to their Government.
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I think it should be up to victims of such crimes to decide whether they want to have their names broadcast around the world, and not up to some guy who is hanging out in an Ecuadorian embassy to evade arrest by British police.
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So you also believe that Hillary too is innocent until proven guilty and are actively denouncing all the GOPers with their "Lock her up" chants, right?
Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.
Her name and his "crime" is public knowledge at this point. I think both of them (the victims) have been on TV and everything. They don't seem to be hiding.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
So you think guilty until proven innocent is a superior way to do it? Or is it selective only against those you dislike or disagree with?
And the lock her up chants, based on conspiracy theories, innuendo, and lies should be shouted down.
Unproven accusations against Mr. Trump fall into this same category.
All are deserving of the requirement to have their guilt proven, irregardless of if they are murderers, rapists or politicians.
Innocence is supposed to be automatically assumed. Anything less is unacceptable.
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I am not convinced it was not a setup. Under the circumstances, you cannot count on governments acting legally and justly.
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If you had read TFA, you'd know both victims who were named were teenage boys.
The details were secure, until Chelsea manning gave them to an egomaniac sociopath that posted them on the internet without a second thought. Before that incident all these details were protected secrets and divulging of details would result in a prison sentence.
In many foreign countries your best bet is just dust yourself off and go on with your life.
The shit with the swimmers in Brazil is par. First you get robbed, then you have to pay off the cops to not charge you with inconveniencing the robbers (off duty cops). Best just to avoid the second bunch of thieves (cops) entirely.
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Those particular details were secure until the Guardian decided to print the password to the encrypted files along with a handy link to download them...
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
I know a couple of ground level employees whose information was in that hack. Medical information, social security numbers. To what end?
...considering the way the establishment is suddenly working overtime to discredit them.
Sure, blast them, blast the content they leaked, whatever, blast their "good" name, I don't particularly care if wikileaks burns.
But. What I'm seeing seeing is far too gasp-and-shock, far too cracked monocle, for shit that is OUT. It's out. Found. Busted. Whatever. Point is, it's going to get leaked somewhere. It's not like BAN WIKILEAKS! or whatever we're after here would do anything about that, before or after.
Don't we already have elegant ways to make this frequent incongruity plain? "Shutting down the bar doesn't stop drinking" or somesuch.
Note the number of AC posts, and remember that Correct The Record (super PAC created by David Brock that pays internet trolls to argue with critics of Clinton) has killed discussion critical of Clinton in the politics subreddit and others (like Sanders4President) using purchased and fake accounts.
And if you want to know how pervasive the propaganda is, just try to find a recent, useful page from an unbiased source describing Correct the Record using a search engine, and note that despite the critique of and importance of CTR, it somehow doesn't have its own wikipedia entry.
They don't need his permission or presence to charge him.
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Yea well the US and the world has a big problem.
All 4 of the major candidates should not be elected as president.
Trump is a fat cat crack pot. I could list things like the way he talks about women, the crazy wall plan, or his wanting to ban people from coming to the US based on religion but the list is just too long. He is so bad that he makes Clinton look like a not that bad choice.
Clinton just can not be trusted. She still does not admit that she did anything wrong with her email server even after classified data was found on it. Throw in her not having Boko Haram classified as a terrorist group and you just have to say, "WHAT"!!!
Gary Johnson... Anti Vax.... AKA anti science crack pot. ..... AKA anti science crack pot.
Jill Stien.... Anti Vax
It is like we have a choice between the Four Horseman of the Apocalypse.
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Yeah, I read the summary and assumed they were women. Mea culpa. My point to the parent post stands, though.
Here is a story AP published that turned out to be fiction. It originated with Jon Ralston and was quickly picked up by AP and then other major media outlets. No corroboration ever materialized for the story, despite there being 3000 cameras in the room, and those that streamed live told a different story. The only media outlet to retract the story was NPR, and PBS fired Ralston.
Note also that this is the story that the DNC leadership instructed its members to pass around "without attribution", i.e. covertly smear Sanders with it. It's also the email that Assange has singled out as the most damming.
And also remember that much of the brouhaha over the leaked DNC emails was over collusion with the media.
In short, if you aren't yet skeptical of mainstream media this year, you need to start paying closer attention.
But this isn't communication with your lawyer or your doctor. This is what one government tells another government about its own people as a form of exchange of intelligence (backchanneling). You can bet your buttocks that each and everyone of these "individuals' records" are there either in order to discredit a leak like this or those people have some role to play in the bigger scheme of things. These are not going to be ordinary rape victims but Prince Abdullah's rape victims, these are the medical records of an intelligence agency's agent or some local warlord.
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Yeah I don't disagree with you, I was just bothered that so many people assumed it was women.
Every single candidate up for election in the history of the world has said whatever they think will get them elected. Brushes with the truth have always varied.
Gary Johnson... Anti Vax.... AKA anti science crack pot.
Libertarians believe you shouldn't go to prison for refusing to vaccinate your children.
Seriously, is that all you got?
Jill Stien.... Anti Vax ..... AKA anti science crack pot.
In 1973, Stein graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, where she studied psychology, sociology, and anthropology. She then attended Harvard Medical School and graduated in 1979. After graduating from Harvard Medical School, Stein practiced internal medicine for 25 years.
I think that's enough background to have reservations over vaccinations.
Your point is that all four are bad, but you've really dropped the ball on arguing that for those two instances.
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Get your facts straight.
18 November 2010
Stockholm District Court approves a request to detain Mr Assange for questioning on suspicion of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. Ms Nye says he has not been available for questioning.
13 August 2015
Swedish prosecutors drop their investigation into one accusation of sexual molestation and one of unlawful coercion against Mr Assange because they have run out of time to question him. The more serious allegation of rape is not due to expire until 2020.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
He's hiding from Swedish justice and has fought extradition, that's why he hasn't been "charged". He's another Roman Polanski, without the excuse of having his pregnant wife stabbed to death by homeless cult members.
The guy is a rapist and a coward.
lucm, indeed.
"Libertarians believe you shouldn't go to prison for refusing to vaccinate your children."
You will not go to jail they just can not go to public school. Unvaccinated children put others at risk and their is no reason to not vaccinate. Putting ideology over science == anti science crack pot.
"In 1973, Stein graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, where she studied psychology, sociology, and anthropology. She then attended Harvard Medical School and graduated in 1979. After graduating from Harvard Medical School, Stein practiced internal medicine for 25 years."
See above plus she called nuclear power plants are, "Nuclear power plants = weapons of mass destruction waiting to be detonated.
Time to shut them down". And she calls trains hauling oil, "bomb trains" and also calls them "weapons of mass destruction"...
AKA crack pot extremist.
See seems to suffer from expert syndrome. She is a doctor so she thinks that she is an expert in everything.
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In many foreign countries your best bet is just dust yourself off and go on with your life.
I would agree with you on this point. I might make a police report if I were actually robbed in a foreign country, but I wouldn't expect anything to come from it. I doubt I would get the embassy or even a consulate involved, nor do I think they would care much as long as it was just a minor street crime.
So you went to Tijuana, you got drunk and you say some cartel guys just showed up with automatic weapons and ripped off your wallet with $24 and a picture of your high school sweetheart in it. And you say El Chapo was the ringleader? Oh, that's a sad story. I hope you learned your lesson.
See above plus she called nuclear power plants are, "Nuclear power plants = weapons of mass destruction waiting to be detonated.
Time to shut them down".
She is essentially correct. Modern nuclear power plants are accidents waiting to happen. We keep hearing about better designs, but they keep failing to materialize. In addition, uranium mining is shit. Like all kinds of mining it can theoretically be done cleanly, and like all kinds of mining it never actually is.
And she calls trains hauling oil, "bomb trains" and also calls them "weapons of mass destruction"...
AKA crack pot extremist.
She's actually way more correct about that. If you had any idea of the actual environmental impact of shipping oil on trains you would wet your kecks.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I know a couple of ground level employees whose information was in that hack. Medical information, social security numbers. To what end?
"I was just following orders"
If you lie down with dogs, you wake up with disease
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
In something like a minor theft or a case of drunken vandalism leading to a disagreement then sure, my expectations would be low for actual action. If I were hospitalized enough for there to be medical records (or raped, as the case was in some of the OP examples) it might warrant escalation, for insurance purposes if nothing else. For that matter, if the theft itself involved me loosing my passport, I expect Id need to get somebody from my government involved to recover proof of identity and be able to go home (Im admittedly not much of a world traveler and don't know offhand what the procedure for that would be). I can't say I'd have high hopes for anything to come of it, Im not expecting Seal Team Six to come and extract me from a hostile land like a bad movie, but that wouldn't necessarily stop me from filing the report and expecting it to be logged in some server/file cabinet back home. And I'd sure hope that all my private information wouldnt be included in some mass information dump by activists whose politics don't involve me. Something as simple and innocuous as a standard form to get a replacement passport would likely include things like my Social Security Number, and that sort of thing getting published can haunt you for years.
Common Sense isn't as Common as people think...
Regarding the latter, I suspect it is because a particular US political party is seeking to discredit them.
There are, in fact, many cases of rape of tourists in Brazil that ended exactly like the swimmer's vandalism case.
The 'perp' (filing a police report) has to pay a settlement to the 'victim' (rapist) or face criminal charges.
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Note that none of the articles about it give any context whatsoever for why these records were there. Also, the Saudi dump occurred on June 1st, 2015. These inflammatory headlines are only coming out since the DNC breach. Note also that the approach and tone of the arguments follow common DNC rhetorical tactics.
More importantly - these were diplomatic cables from the Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Why were they discussing the rape of Saudi citizens on Saudi soil? What little can be gleaned regarding the context of this information suggests that it was entirely domestic in nature, and therefore its inclusion in diplomatic cables is wildly inappropriate.
And if you get raped outside your own home, is it reasonable to expect that the incident would be discussed in diplomatic cables? If you go to your doctor and he diagnoses you with HIV, should embassies be informed? What little context for the information is relayed in the articles about it suggest that much of the information regards domestic incidents, not Saudis in other nations. It is reasonable for information on refugees to be transmitted, but domestic arrests of Saudi citizens?
Why would it include the private personal information of citizens within its borders? Discussing refugees is understandable, but domestic criminal allegations? Personal debt? Details of divorces? These are not items that belong in diplomatic cables.
In point of fact, he is hiding there because he is afraid that the "questioning" will lead to being extradited to the US to face charges for releasing all the info he has released, to the embarrassment of the US. The Swedish government\police have been invited to come to the embassy to question him but they refuse to do so. THAT seems more suspect to me than anything he has done.
Not to mention that the "lock her up" cries continue to fly even after an investigation found nothing to prosecute. I imagine there are some that are still trying to get her charged with some kind of perjury for stating that 'none of my emails were marked classified' when, in fact, one thread out of the 30000 emails analyzed had some kind of partial classification marking somewhere in the body. I.e., her statement was only 99.99% truthful. Lock her up!!!!
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I think that's enough background to have reservations over vaccinations.
No it isn't. Having a degree does not equal being right about something.
The a biology professor with a background in infection diseases (emeritus now I think), that will tell anyone who will listen that HIV doesn't cause AIDS.
He's wrong, and all his degrees and experience don't make him any less wrong...
Except that according to Swedish procedures, they need to have him in custody to charge.
I'm so glad that you know exactly how to get around this problem though, so I am sure you have approached the prosecutor and explained the error in his professional conduct.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Get your facts straight.
What did I say that was factually incorrect?
He's another Roman Polanski, [...]
The main difference being that Polanski was not only charged, he pled guilty and fled from his sentencing hearing.
The guy is a rapist and a coward.
Could well be.
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No, he isn't afraid of being sent to the US. For one thing, we don't want him. He's not a US citizen, and I don't know that he's ever been to the US. There's no evidence that he violated US laws. A few political idiots yelled about him, that's all. This is the US. I don't know about other countries, but we have political idiots to grandstand about all sorts of things.
He voluntarily went to Sweden. If he was afraid of being disappeared from there in the first place, why go? Then he voluntarily went to the UK. If you're afraid of being sent to the US, the UK is about the last place you want to go. Then he gets into legal trouble, and Sweden requests extradition, and suddenly he's afraid of being sent to the US? Awful convenient timing, there.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
"Libertarians believe you shouldn't go to prison for refusing to vaccinate your children."
You will not go to jail they just can not go to public school.
And that is pretty much the accepted legal standard throughout the country. Name one court case where the parents of an unvaccinated child was able to compel a school district to accept the child.
Only a shill would fail to realize that this one difference of opinion does not make a candidate unsuitable to be elected PotUS.
Let me guess: You one of those elect "Hillary for Queen". Yes, she's a bad liar, yes we'll invade Syria if she gets elected, yes, there's nothing "fishy" in trying to conceal your gov't communications from gov't law, so lets pretend the other three candidates are equally bad. Well, there's a good case to argue Trump would not be a good PotUS, but you're going to have to better than what you're doing to convince voters here that Gary Johnson and Jill Stein are incompetent, evil degenerates.
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Those are potentially valid arguments to not vote Stein for PotUS, but that's not the argument posited by the OP, which is somehow she is inconceivably worse than Trump or Clinton (or Johnson).
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Name the Biology professor. And what are your qualifications to determine that he is incorrect for what he actually states?!
HIV certainly wouldn't "cause" AIDS if it isn't involved in the mechanisms that result in the deterioration of the immune system. Correlation is not causality.
I'm supposed to believe a Harvard degreed Medical Doctor with a specialization in Internal medicine for 25 years is a nutjob for expressing her "expert" opinion, because of a zero like you?
There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, General Electric, and Exxon
Name the Biology Professor
Peter Deusberg, there you go, Mr. Angrypants... that name wasn't that hard to look up...
And what are your qualifications to determine that he is incorrect for what he actually states?!
My qualifications, besides a BS in biology are the ability to read the overwhelming consensus of peer-reviewed scientific studies performed at credible academic institutions.
It's the same qualifications that let me know that the universe is expanding, quantum entanglement is real thing, and a whole bunch of other stuff that is outside my immediate fields of study is actually true
A crackpot with an advanced degree is still a crackpot....
I'm supposed to believe a Harvard degreed Medical Doctor with a specialization in Internal medicine for 25 years is a nutjob for expressing her "expert" opinion, because of a zero like you?
yes, she is a nutjob, but not because of what I think, because the opinion she states goes against decades of peer-reviewed scientific research from reputable academic institutions...
being "harvard-degreed" doesn't preclude one from holding stupid and dangerous, and wrong opinions...
PS... fuck you very much, you angry asshole...
"She is essentially correct. Modern nuclear power plants are accidents waiting to happen."
Some have been waiting for over 30 years.... Actually we currently don't have any modern nuclear plants in the US we will in a few years if crackpots don't stop them.
"She's actually way more correct about that. If you had any idea of the actual environmental impact of shipping oil on trains you would wet your kecks."
Yes I know it has kill billions since we started to ship only by trains in the early 1900s. It is hard to believe the death toll.... Huh????
Weapons of mass destruction!!!! Flaming and anti vax == crack pot. So what is she is also a doctor. Their are doctors that support anti-vax, the teaching of creationism only, and are members of the Nazi party and the KKK. Crack pot is as crack pot does. Being anti vax is being a crack pot.
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