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The US Army Has Too Many Video Games (vice.com)
An anonymous reader shares a Motherboard report:The US Army sees itself in a transitional period. Unlike a decade ago, soldiers are training less today on how to conduct "stability" operations for a counter-insurgency campaign, and more on what the Army does best: fighting other armies. But training is expensive and requires time and a lot of space. Training a gunner for an M-1 Abrams tank means reserving time on a limited number of ranges and expending real ammunition. So to lower costs and make training more efficient -- in theory -- the Army has adopted a variety of games to simulate war. There's just a few problems. Some of the Army's virtual simulators sit collecting dust, and one of them is more expensive and less effective than live training. At one base, soldiers preferred to play mouse-and-keyboard games over a more "realistic" virtual room. Then again, the Army has cooler games than you do. M-1 tank gunners, for example, can train inside a full-scale, computerized mock-up of their station called the Advanced Gunnery Training System, which comes inside a large transportable container. Instead of looking through real sights down a range, the soldier squints through a replica and sees a virtual simulacrum of, say, an enemy tank. Push a button and the "cannon" fires. The Army fields similar systems for the Stryker, a wheeled armored troop transport that fits an optional 105-millimeter gun. Soldiers train inside another simulated gunnery station for the M-2 Bradley fighting vehicle. Another system, Common Driver, simulates a variety of military vehicles.
FALKEN'S MAZE
BLACK JACK
GIN RUMMY
HEARTS
BRIDGE
CHECKERS
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POKER
FIGHTER COMBAT
GUERRILLA ENGAGEMENT
DESERT WARFARE
AIR-TO-GROUND ACTIONS
THEATERWIDE TACTICAL WARFARE
THEATERWIDE BIOTOXIC AND CHEMICAL WARFARE
GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR
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Funny back in the early 90s we'd go to the M-1 simulator and run through that. Then go back to the barracks and play M1 Tank platoon on my Amiga 500. It was a running joke I had my own simulator in my room. M1 Tank Platoon had a little more with the driver position. The fun part was the Micropose armor vehicle identification copy protection. Didn't need have to look that up in the manual.
Doesn't this embarrass you, America? Don't you feel ashamed that this is what you've become?
Absolutely, but only in that we've become like everyone else. History seems to just be a series of different groups coming to power, acting like dicks, using up their resources and then being surpassed by someone else who hasn't used theirs up yet. The USA is the country which was in the right place at the right time to dominate everything for the last couple hundred years. Before that, it's been other countries.
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Video Games make poor substitution for real life training. Real life Gandhi didn't nuke anyone.
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When we would send up Canadian reserve units against US active units, we found they had no idea their people would pass out inside the combat vehicles and tanks from extreme heat and dust, or deal with optical illusions from heated air, making it easy to trick them into going into tank traps that were covered by snipers with heavy and light mines. Or what happens when rocks crush your tank in a mountain pass because you fired your main gun next to an unstable rock face.
Sims only work so much.
You have to train for the bad things that happen, like your tank getting stuck in loose soil with water, and people who are actively trying to make you do the wrong thing. That requires actually taking vehicles into those actual types of terrain and obstacles.
Game that.
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Vice, of course, has a nice click-baity title and shitty article, but it's vice, so we assume it's bullshit.
The value of simulators is not in playing Hogan's heroes. There are two major values of the simulator. The first is that the sim allows you to do things that would be fatal in real life. Much better, in aviation, to practice the critical engine failure at rotate speed without a hundred thousand pounds of jet fuel and aluminum to burn up. The second major value is that you can replay a scenario and see how it can come out differently with different actions. Although live flying and live training is cheaper then the sims, it doesn't allow either of those.
Additionally, simulator training allows you to train to environments that are expensive to fly to. I can dial in Afghanistan in the sim. I can't do that without, say, deploying to Afghanistan for live training. I can dial a thunderstorm into the simulator. Bad form to take a real airplane through a thunderstorm, but better to have practiced in the sim before doing in the real airplane. Additionally, it takes about 20 minutes for me to fly back to the beginning of an instrument approach and about 2 hours to get everyone refueled after a live fly scenario at Red Flag. However, in the sim, it takes about 85 seconds for the sim to reset.
Sure, some are collecting dust because they dont' work, some are collecting dust because we've downsized away the operators or defunded the support contracts. However, simulators as a class are extremely useful tools and a whole lot cheaper than bleeding in combat.
Doesn't this embarrass you, America? Don't you feel ashamed that this is what you've become?.
So seriously live in another country for a while, or just try dealing with stuff in somewhere in Europe or Africa, then tell me how shitty it is in the USA. I was born in poland and I go back every year, dealing with anyone on any level of the government there makes me want to pull my hair out. People bitch about the DMV or IRS in the US, but they are awesome compared to most of the things I've had to deal with in Poland, you almost need a lawyer to come with you just so you can get an ID card, the bureaucracy is horrible.
tic tac toe is hidden but still on the system.
But global thermonuclear war is still the last one on the list.
good for kill bots let's make them think its not real shooting the wrong thing is not that big of an deal.
You're missing the point, its not that things are shitty in the USA its that the USA is shitty internationally and making other places shitty.
Someone doesn't know their history. its you. Look at the wars america was in before 1940. For example- the Spanish-American war. Basically caused because we wanted some of Spain's stuff in the Carribean, and trumped up on an explosion in port that ended up being an accident.
The Mexican American war- because we wanted to move our southern border to the Rio Grande.
The War of 1812- multiple causes and may have happened anyway, but at least part was a desire to annex Canada.
The Indian Wars- all undeclared, but we took each tribe's land one at a time.
The US has been an imperialistic war monger from the beginning. We just kept it to our own continent until the 1900s.
I still have more fans than freaks. WTF is wrong with you people?
Very effective at making operators forget that they are training to kill other human beings, make it easier to unthinkingly shoot when told regardless of right/wrong.
...they could just stop being the world's policemen.
Not in this dangerous world, no. The police, contrary to your idea, are not meddlers, but a necessary system for the management of a peril-fraught world.
I had so much respect for the pre-1940s US (the US itself, not some of the bullshit of the individual states) - they understood the value in leaving your neighbour the fuck alone.
Except Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean, China and Japan.
Not to mention countless Native American tribes.
You know fuck-all about America's sins.
Now it's all about a weird combination of military domination and literally sending your own people to murder other people for the sake of profit for a few friendly armaments and security firms,
Doesn't this embarrass you, America? Don't you feel ashamed that this is what you've become?.
Now now, you know it's really about spreading Democracy and securing the flow of Spice, er, Oil, I mean Oil.
A hell of a lot more. Don't knock the Army for trying to save money.
Couple??? No, the USA has dominated for the last century, maybe. In the 19th century, we were mostly a non-entity outside North America (and arguably South America). We didn't really take over as the dominant world power till WW2. Before that, the UK was still the big dog....
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I hate to be the guy who suggests that the US military spend yet more taxpayer dollars on the "next new thing", but perhaps some of their problems could be addresses by replacing their current simulators with VR headsets and PCs?
Their current approach seems to be largely the "cave" approach, where the trainee sits inside a room by himself and images are projected on the walls around him. That's fine as far as it goes, but doing it that is by its nature expensive and takes a lot of space, which means not very many people can be using the simulator at once, which limits the military's ability to train groups of trainees how to co-ordinate their behavior with each other.
Replace that with a networked gaming PC and an Oculus Rift (or similar) for each trainee, and I think you could provide a similarly immersive experience to a lot more people simultaneously, for about the same price.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
I'm afraid that your "pre-1940s" view of the US is either rose tinted or just plain incorrect. While Teddy Roosevelt spoke of the need to speak softly and carry a big stick, the foreign policy of the United States has been largely the opposite of the isolationist position that many people seem to think is our norm. There's a reason the USMC's Battle Hymn starts with "from the Hallf of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli." We've invaded both Canada and Mexico in our history, and (prior to the 1940 date you remember fondly) had been at war on every continent save Australia and Antartica. We took the vast majority of our nation away from the people who already lived there. I'm reasonably certain that every single US extraterritorial possession (i.e. Guam, etc) was in our possession prior to the second world war, except for a bunch of tiny atolls in the Pacific we built bases on during the war and maybe kept afterward.
I personally think that, on the whole, we've been a stronger force for "good" (however you want to define that) than "evil" but I do have my biases.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
I can almost guarantee that every single one of these "simulators" was built and designed by some company that lived in the congressional district of the people that voted on it.
And I'd bet that more than one of the companies had blood ties to the same congress peoples.
I don't like the US's role in the world. We do need to mind our own business quite frequently.
What I really don't like is how foreign nationals come here and pretend their country's history is flawless.
The unfortunate reality is that the US government isn't learning from European mistakes.. nation building just doesn't work and will almost always lead towards constant instability and power struggles.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
I've dealt withe the DMV in multiple countries. They are sufficiently similar that you could be in the wrong one and not notice except by the accents. Perhaps it's the difference between Eastern and Western Europe. Have you been to a DMV in England or Germany? They are in Europe, and still closer to the US than what you describing of Poland.
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"Don't forget France was a big deal in the 19th century. That's why lots of words in english actually have french roots."
Uhh... nope.
Did you forget that little fact that France conquered England around the 11th century? Heck, impact on English language even has an title on wikipedia for its own! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The Brits did it successfully for hundreds of years.
"Preferred"? I'm not sure the author of this article really understands how the military works.
We need the military industrial sector to port all our machines control interfaces over to an keyboard-and-mouse control scheme.
How on earth is Hillary going to take all the guns when Obama is going to take all the guns?
Don't forget that Hillary will set the US army to invade Texas (using Texas soldiers no less), or did Obama do that already as well?
So hard to keep track of all the whackjob conspiracies.