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Apple Under Tim Cook: More Socially Responsible, Less Visionary (cnn.com)

Let's talk about Apple, unarguably one of the most remarkable companies on the face of the earth. (Remarkable doesn't necessarily mean great -- it just means that the company is something worth making a remark). You can like it, or hate it, but you can simply not ignore Apple. But what's the occasion, you ask? It's been five years since Tim Cook took over as Apple CEO. (Editor's note: auto-playing video ahead, which may annoy you) Under his leadership, Apple has grown to become the world's most successful company, doubling the stock price and registering a staggering 84 percent growth in its net worth. Media outlets are abuzz with articles, analysis, and over-analysis of Tim Cook's Apple today. Some excerpts from a CNN article: Apple's culture has changed noticeably, both for the better and the worse. [...] If Jobs put a dent in the universe through Apple's coveted products, Cook is making his mark by highlighting the importance of social efforts: LGBT rights, philanthropy, corporate diversity, renewable energy and improving manufacturing conditions abroad. Under Cook's leadership, Apple finally began matching charitable contributions from employees, which had long been a sore spot for staff. Apple had 110,000 full-time employees as of the end of September 2015, nearly doubling from the 60,400 employees it reported having in September 2011, shortly after Cook took over, according to annual filings with the SEC. [...] There's now a feeling among some Apple insiders that the company is just running the same product playbook that Jobs created in his final years at the helm. "For four or five years, the playbook is the same that's been done," says Amit Sharma, a former Apple exec on the online store team. But, he adds, "just because everybody is looking for new doesn't mean it's not working."

152 comments

  1. "just because everybody is looking for new..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, try selling out of date Macbook Pro's for a few more years and see how that strategy works out.

    Even Apple fans aren't stupid enough to pay a premium for hardware 3-5 years out of date.

    1. Re: "just because everybody is looking for new..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't mind paying for hardware that's not on the cutting edge, if the platform as a whole is what I need. However, 4-5 year old hardware is just silly.

    2. Re:"just because everybody is looking for new..." by hsmith · · Score: 1

      I've been sitting and waiting to replace my 4yo Macbook Pro for over a year now. Cash sitting in my checking account to do so. Getting tired of waiting.

    3. Re:"just because everybody is looking for new..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh.

      Just got my 2011 MacBook Pro to replace my 2009 MacBook Pro last month.

      I'm pretty happy with it.

  2. Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cook is making his mark by highlighting the importance of social efforts: LGBT rights, philanthropy, corporate diversity, renewable energy and improving manufacturing conditions abroad.

    I thought Apple was first and foremost a technology company?

    1. Re:Driving in reverse by TigerPlish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought Apple was first and foremost a technology company?

      You can be a tech company and try to not be total douchebags.

      Or, you can be a tech company with no conscience and burn and pillage your way to profit. Which btw, IS the norm. I'd rather deal with the less evil. Even if I had money invested in it.

      Just my two cents.

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      The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    2. Re:Driving in reverse by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      everything at apple today is based on the work steve jobs did at NEXT. it's all some fork of that original OS. unless apple has some secret project that is going to take a decade to come to fruition and is a totally new piece of software there is nothing to innovate except stick another fork of NEXT/OS X into some box that does something or other

    3. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Apple is first and foremost a company that wants to sell stuff. That involves a lot of technology but it has never been the only thing they've focused on. Throughout its history, the company has banked (literally and figuratively) on selling stuff based on "the feelz" -- that warm glow of self-righteous euphoria their customers want to feel after purchasing their products.

      What gives a demographic "the feelz" changes with society and culture and can very well be nudged by marketing. Today's society is much more concerned with social justice, diversity and charity than it was even 10 years ago. And so it can be argued Apple is doing the smart thing by changing their image to be one of social conscience.

    4. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can be a tech company and try to not be total douchebags.

      As long as that doesn't include off-sourcing jobs to China, and paying taxes to any country except the one that made Apple possible...

    5. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this is how Microsoft is going to get Windows 10 on a billion devices...

      Gasp!! Windows will soon be the foundation for the new unified Apple Operating system: Apple OS 10

    6. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they REALLY about the following they wouldn't produce products in China, or even sell to China. They should ban sells to Saudi Arabia too to send a message because being LGBT is publishable by death there.

    7. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 5, Insightful

      IDK if any of those can be blamed on Apple. In the beginning, yes, sure. But nowadays, it is just not possible to manufacturer tens of millions of iPhones every quarter in the US. They tried to shift Mac production (much less demanding) to the US and found they couldn't even get the supply chain for *that* fully in the US. This isn't even a problem of cost anymore. The Chinese simply do it better and on a bigger scale even if you don't account for the difference in labor costs. After all, if cheap labor is all you need, iPhone production should've moved to Vietnam or Malaysia by now.

      As to taxes, again, their fault for finding the loophole and exposing it to all companies to use. But taking advantage of a *legal* way to pay less taxes is in no way "douchebaggery". It's Congress that's at fault here, they made the laws the way they are. I doubt you or anyone voluntarily pays more taxes than you legally owe nor would such an act make much difference. It only makes a difference if *everyone* does it, not just one entity. And that requires a change in the laws.

    8. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      All good points...

      But, does that mean that the removal of the physical headphone jack from the iPhone 7 is actually a form of social progress?

    9. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 2

      It means they wanna get rid of a connector they feel is outdated. Like parallel ports, CD drives, etc.

    10. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 0

      And how, do you suppose those tax loopholes got there in the first place? Perhaps not Apple, but several someones paid a nice bribe to keep that hole WIDE open!

    11. Re:Driving in reverse by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      As long as that doesn't include off-sourcing jobs to China, and paying taxes to any country except the one that made Apple possible...

      And if that's Apple, just imagine what others are doing.

      Apple's not blameless and have plenty of business nastiness in them. No one gets as old as they are and remain idealists.

      There's a lot worse out there.

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      The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    12. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everything with Google and Android today is just a fork of the original work Torvalds released in 1991.

      Fair enough?

    13. Re:Driving in reverse by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0, Troll

      But, does that mean that the removal of the physical headphone jack from the iPhone 7 is actually a form of social progress?

      The removal of the headphone jack is basically the same as killing whales for oil.

      It's bad for the environment, makes people mad but is a profit center for Apple and their "strategic partners".

      Fuck Apple and fuck Tim Cook.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    14. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      Apple's not blameless and have plenty of business nastiness in them. No one gets as old as they are and remain idealists.

      Then it sounds like Apple's infamous "reality distorting" marketing department is no longer just selling products, but has taken on the role of public relations as well.

    15. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 2

      If you study the history of it, it's actually way more benign (read: stupid) than that. The loopholes exist because of different laws in 3-4 different countries, some of which has existed for hundreds of years. They involve laws on how royalty money (paid for intellectual property) is taxed in both Ireland and the Netherlands as well as loose incorporation laws in places like the Cayman Islands.

      These laws were all put in place for different reasons and for different industries to benefit. With regards to royalties, the US part was specifically there to help the movie industry.

      Someone at Apple one day spent some time drawing lines between all of these laws and had an "ah ha!" moment. Incorporated a bunch of shell subsidiaries in each of these countries and had them pay "licensing royalties" to each other using profits from hardware sales (again, totally legal) and boom: no taxes paid on foreign profits.

      Then everyone else saw this and did it too.

    16. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      Thankfully I am finally using Bluetooth...

      On my Android phone.

    17. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But taking advantage of a *legal* way to pay less taxes is in no way "douchebaggery".

      Legality is in no way related to whether it's douchebaggery or not; if Apple found a loophole that allowed them to legally dump poisonous metals wherever they like, would you take the same stance? This assertion is especially hilarious given the article praising Apple for being so 'socially responsible.'

      I doubt you or anyone voluntarily pays more taxes than you legally owe nor would such an act make much difference.

      You're right, the taxes I pay are completely fucking comparable to the taxes Apple doesn't pay by exploiting loopholes.

    18. Re:Driving in reverse by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      I thought Apple was first and foremost a technology company?

      Not since the 90s. It is now a fashion accessory company.

    19. Re:Driving in reverse by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 2

      More to the point, Apple have created far more jobs than they moved overseas. In 1997, when Steve Jobs returned, Apple employed about 8500 people worldwide. That includes their in-house manufacturing, done at the time in the US and Cork, Ireland. In 2015, they employed 110000 people, NOT including the outsourced manufacturing done in China. Even if fully half of their 1997 employees were manufacturing, the jobs added outnumber the jobs lost my more than an order of magnitude. Have you driven through Cupertino recently? You can hardly go a block without driving past an Apple building. The town is bursting at the seams with people who have much more fulfilling and stimulating Apple jobs than manufacturing. And that new spaceship HQ... which, by the way, has more capacity than their entire 1997 global workforce... is only going to supplement the facilities they use. They're continuing to hire and expect to go on filling up the town.

      Frankly, the thought of sitting on an assembly line mindlessly inserting tab A into slot B all day is horrifyingly dreary. And I really just don't get the obsession people have over the tedium of assembly being done elsewhere; when the design, engineering, software, management, and operations are done here. And more than a small part of the retail, distribution, and support is done here as well.

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    20. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Then everyone else saw this and did it too.

      So, Apple is again leading the pack by showing the world how to screw the nation that allowed it to become so rich.

      Sure, it's not illegal, but how does that demonstrate social responsibility? It shows great smarts in maximizing profits (not wrong in the slightest), but it also shows that it's more important to make money at ANY cost in Apple's eyes (as any business does, by its very nature), than to consider how these actions affect our nation.

      They are hypocrites to say they are leading the pack in "social responsibility", while posing as the poster child of corporations robbing Uncle Sam, leaving the shrinking middle class paying for a government drowning in debt.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...

    21. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A company is only an extension of the owners, it can be used for any purpose.
      While most company owners use them for economic profit it is not unheard of to have secondary goals.
      It is also completely possible for some rich dude to start a company and run it at a loss to realize some other goal.
      Sometimes criminals even start a company and run at a loss to launder money.

      When a company acts like a psychopath, don't hesitate to hold them responsible. It is a myth that they have to be borderline criminal in the name of profit.

    22. Re:Driving in reverse by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Cook is making his mark by highlighting the importance of social efforts: LGBT rights, philanthropy, corporate diversity, renewable energy and improving manufacturing conditions abroad.

      I thought Apple was first and foremost a technology company?

      Precisely!!! But that was during the Jobs era. After he passed on, that got replaced by someone more interested in LGBT and defending the rights of dead Jihadists over law enforcement's need to find out what else was being plotted by the accomplices of the San Bernardino Jihadists. One of the things that Jobs did was refuse to have X rated material in the iTunes store and make it family non-hostile: wonder whether the LGBT champion has reversed that?

      I'd rather see Woz return to Apple's helm and replace him: if CEOs wanna start preaching to us, they should do what Carly did and dive headlong into politics. Last thing I want is a moral dilemma in determining whether my use of a product that I am fluent at using embodies hypocrisy by feeding the notion that I endorse the deranged political views of the head of the company that makes them.

    23. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 2, Informative

      Frankly, the thought of sitting on an assembly line mindlessly inserting tab A into slot B all day is horrifyingly dreary. And I really just don't get the obsession people have over the tedium of assembly being done elsewhere; when the design, engineering, software, management, and operations are done here. And more than a small part of the retail, distribution, and support is done here as well.

      I bet many laid off American assembly line workers would take those jobs.

      Oh, yes, Toyota, a Japanese company operates assembly lines in the US. I'm sure they are not doing so to be "nice" to American workers, but it shows that people will work those jobs.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    24. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      *Dons iNecklace... and walks down the street looking cool.

    25. Re:Driving in reverse by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Yes, you no longer have to rape your phone with a 'jack' to listen to music. And apple makes more money. That's progress!

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
    26. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, the thought of sitting on an assembly line mindlessly inserting tab A into slot B all day is horrifyingly dreary. And I really just don't get the obsession people have over the tedium of assembly being done elsewhere; when the design, engineering, software, management, and operations are done here. And more than a small part of the retail, distribution, and support is done here as well.

      Well, that'd be good work to give to the influx of illegal alie- I mean, "undocumented workers", then. At least it would keep the money in our country instead of offshore. Unless they wire a significant amount back home.

    27. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      A great company makes GREAT products, not GREAT numbers of proclaimed social opinions!

    28. Re:Driving in reverse by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, under Jobs, their genius is that they did a combination of both. Tech in that they moved from their futile efforts on an OS-from-scratch (Copland, Gershwin) to an established one (NeXTstep based). And in the process, the company, where UNIX was once a single product - AUX - morphed into one that happily used UNIX wherever they needed to - their Airport routers, iOS, OS X, et al.

      But their genius was in putting their legendary easy to use UI on top of that, so that a kid playing w/ an iPad wouldn't have to do grep and other such things to get what she wants. As well as making their products those cute looking toys. That created the compelling desire for them that allowed them to price those things at a level that enabled them to make money. Since the 90s, the only innovation to technology has been to bring computing performance of legendary SGI workstations to prices that anybody can afford: by tossing in fashion and hipster trendiness, Apple managed to defy the gravity that's pulled down pretty much the entire tech sector

    29. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      I thought inserting a 3.5 mm male connector into a 3.5 mm female connector was consensual?

      However 3.5 mm is rather small....

    30. Re:Driving in reverse by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      if Apple found a loophole that allowed them to legally dump poisonous metals wherever they like, would you take the same stance?

      Payment for double taxation is not remotely like polluting the earth.

      You're right, the taxes I pay are completely fucking comparable to the taxes Apple doesn't pay by exploiting loopholes.

      No, Apple's loopholes are exactly like you (and I) taking deductions for mortgage insurance, kids, depreciation on rental property, etc, etc, etc.

      --
      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    31. Re:Driving in reverse by TigerPlish · · Score: 1

      Frankly, the thought of sitting on an assembly line mindlessly inserting tab A into slot B all day is horrifyingly dreary.

      I have done mindless tab A into slot B, and I've done careful hand-fitting of a board I just stuffed onto another board, on an assembly line. Tab A into slot B is indeed awful. But it paid better than washing dishes. Stuffing boards and mounting them to another board paid better and was more involved, and I enjoyed the precision aspect of it. Not what I would call bad or awful or boring. The stench of solder is something I miss, and reminisce about when I have to solder something these days.

      I wasn't always an IT guy. Well, I was, but as a hobby. I had a day job with the gov't, and it paid shit, so I moonlighted at a local computer customization shop, where I was stuffing the aforementioned boards. This was in the early-mid 90's. Batches were typically around 2500 machines, all done to the same spec.

      One morning they padlocked the gates, and bolted a sign to them: Closed with no notice. Call xxx-xxx-xxxx for your next instructions.

      Yeah. Tossed out like so much garbage. One week's pay as severance. The work, we later heard, was sent to Malaysia.

      Would I go back to factory work? Y'know, if I was making things I have an interest in, yeah, I'd do it. Watches. Cars. Yeah. Hand-made audio amps. Even if it *is* only bolting the hinges to the body, or only doing a few steps of a larger assembly.

      But what do they make where I live? Hot air, bad music, awesome food. But manufacturing jobs? Heh... no. Perversely, a previous IT employer of mine just moved into what used to be a major Motorola factory. That IT employer has nothing do do with manufacturing of any kind.

      What I'm trying to say, is that there can be pride in assembly work. I've felt it, and if you look at enough factories you'll see other people with that pride too. It's not all mindless tab A into slot B. Some people get to make something out of nothing more than sand, fire and molten metal. I would love to do that.

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      The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
    32. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely!!! But that was during the Jobs era. After he passed on, that got replaced by someone more interested in LGBT and defending the rights of all of their customers over the government's desire to spy on what everyone is doing or thinking about and prevent a huge lost when their products become abandoned.

      FTFY

    33. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, Apple is again leading the pack by showing the world how to screw the nation that allowed it to become so rich.

      Sure, it's not illegal, but how does that demonstrate social responsibility?

      IDK. If you discovered something in the tax code that let you pay way less of your taxes, would you consider it not "socially responsible" to do it and tell your friends to? Would you just forget about said discovery and keep paying what you originally paid in taxes? Do you take any deductions every year? Do you take tax credits that you don't need?

      If Apple were lobbying (and they very well may be, but we can't just assume) for laws in every country to stay as they are, that'd be a different story. But we have Cook on record as saying "this is a Congress problem". And it is. Congress needs to change the tax laws.

      Even if Apple were to choose to voluntarily pay more taxes, it'd be a drop in the bucket for the Federal budget. Same as if you voluntarily chose to pay more taxes. The only way to actually make a dent is to make them, their competitors and all the other companies also pay more in taxes. That's kinda beyond Apple's abilities.

    34. Re:Driving in reverse by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Whoosh.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    35. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      Of course there are people who want jobs and some wouldn't even mind boring jobs. The question is, what's better for everyone in the long run? Example after example shows protectionism (i.e. mandating by law job X be located in the US) doesn't help everyone. You help 5% of the population at the expense of the other 95% who don't work in that industry. And you reduce your economic efficiency as a whole by some percentage all the while fighting the inevitable. You're never ever going to fight the basic fact that other, poorer workers are willing to work for less under worse conditions if they can do the same job.

      If a certain profession or industrial sector is so easily replaced by low-wage, low-skill workers, perhaps it's better not to rely on that for your economic backbone and to instead put your energy towards enhancing, training and making jobs for sectors that are growing and aren't easily replaced by the lowest-common-denominator types of labor in poorer countries.

      There are plenty of examples of this. And we can put way more resources than we currently are into it. And government can play a lead role in that to boot.

    36. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aren't we constantly hearing here on Slashdot about how these CORPIRATE OVERLORDZ are nothing but blood-sucking leeches who care nothing about the society they operate in? Aren't we constantly hearing from Slashdotters about how CEOs are crooked, backwards, thieving bastards who are just trying to cozy up to the government teat?

      Why the FUCK are we now sneering "You're a TECH company, duuuuude!" about a company with massive resources that has said, "Okay, we're going to be good citizens, too"?

    37. Re: Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I pay more in taxes than I need to. I am too lazy or busy to keep receipts. My accountant hates me.

    38. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other countries (like Ireland) decided to compete globally and lower their corporate tax rate. We did not and lost business to them.

    39. Re:Driving in reverse by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Good work, Snowden-wannabe!!! So Law Enforcement wanting to find out what was in a County-owned phone issued to a terrorist so that further plots could be pre-empted is 'the government's desire to spy on what everyone is doing'!!! When the next Jihadist chops off your head, I'll root for the government to leave his phones, tablets & computers alone so that your cherished right of privacy of terrorists is untouched!!!

    40. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of places in the US with vibrant manufacturing. Hell, take a look at Indigogo or Kickstarter. Such a large number of their projects are mom-and-pop shops making a few thousand in cities like Portland, Seattle, Denver, etc. And a lot of those companies are perfectly profitable too.

      The landscape has changed. It's no longer mega-company-X moving into a city and setting up a huge factory anymore. It's easier now than ever was to go mom-and-pop level and sell. And those guys go into work every day doing both grunt work as well as planning and designing their next revision.

      It does employ fewer people than before for the same output because of automation. Way more than consumption has increased. So that alone, I realize, isn't the answer. But that doesn't mean manufacturing is dead in the US. It just means that the glory days where anyone willing to work got a job without needing skill or knowledge are over.

    41. Re:Driving in reverse by MikeMo · · Score: 2

      Apple pays a LOT of taxes in the US. Their effective tax rate this last quarter was above 25%. It's the cash that was made via sales overseas that is still overseas that people complain about (and they pay taxes in those countries on that money).

    42. Re:Driving in reverse by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder how many of these people were around during the iMac "USB Only" fiasco. The world ended, iMacs never sold or caught on, Apple was in dire straights...

      Except that's not how it happened, companies started making USB accessories (targeted to the iMac market) and then those crazy ports started showing up on PCs.

    43. Re:Driving in reverse by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      OS X server is a perfect example of "Pretty UI on some good tools".

      Even CUPS got a major GUI refresh when it became an Apple product.

    44. Re:Driving in reverse by Whorelander · · Score: 1

      "...and then those crazy ports started showing up on PCs."

      For the record, PCs had USB ports in "1996," 2 years before the iMac. An update to Windows 95 added USB support.
      https://support.microsoft.com/...

      But it did take Apple's iMac to make USB popular. I owned a Mac G3 333 in 98 that did not have USB ports. Pro Macs didn't get USB ports until 1999. And for reference, the Compaq I just bought at an estate sale, which is from 1996( I collect old PCs ), has 2 USB ports.

      And back to the topic. I own external USB DACs. My PC, Macs, and Android devices, all support USB audio. But unlike adding USB and getting rid of something obsolete like a Floppy-Drive( which could be added via an accessory of course ) this is really not the same as getting rid of a headphone jack IMO.

    45. Re:Driving in reverse by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      It was once. Now it's fast becoming bullshit.

    46. Re:Driving in reverse by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I like to think there is a happy medium. Maybe they should go back to being a technology company and try to be a little nice too.

    47. Re:Driving in reverse by npslider · · Score: 1

      IDK. If you discovered something in the tax code that let you pay way less of your taxes, would you consider it not "socially responsible" to do it and tell your friends to? Would you just forget about said discovery and keep paying what you originally paid in taxes? Do you take any deductions every year? Do you take tax credits that you don't need?

      The deductions I find avaialble for my personal income taxes were deliberatly written into law AS deduictions. I did not walk through an elabporate maze to build a house overseas, or hire a squad of lawers to create a way to expoit this "bug" in the tax code.

      If Apple were lobbying (and they very well may be, but we can't just assume) for laws in every country to stay as they are, that'd be a different story.

      If they took the time to figure out how to do what they have already done, it's not much of a stretch to imaginge that they are lobbying hard. They are, afterall, a money making machine.

      But we have Cook on record as saying "this is a Congress problem". And it is. Congress needs to change the tax laws.

      That's admitting it IS A PROBELM in Apple's own judgemnt and passing blame to Congress.

      Even if Apple were to choose to voluntarily pay more taxes, it'd be a drop in the bucket for the Federal budget.

      The collective total amount of money this 'loophole" has cost the governemnt is a lot.

      "U.S. corporations hold $2.1 trillion in profits offshore — much in tax havens — that have not been taxed in the U.S." - http://www.americansfortaxfair...

      The only way to actually make a dent is to make them, their competitors and all the other companies also pay more in taxes. That's kinda beyond Apple's abilities.

      Ture. But they ARE a part of the problem... not the solution.

    48. Re: Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you even English?

    49. Re:Driving in reverse by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      And you somehow think that's enough?

      The US top tax rate is 39.6%.

      That's what Apple should be paying, not 25%.

    50. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NeXT is a fork of BSD. Any other stupid things you'd like to say?

    51. Re:Driving in reverse by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Horrifyingly dreary for YOU, maybe. But people of average and low intelligence have no problem with repetitive tasks. It is only people of high intelligence who require a constant stream of novelty and who pout when they can't get it. I love how you can just decide what's good for everyone without even THINKING about people who differ from yourself, and your big brain tells you it's all right because you're smart.

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    52. Re:Driving in reverse by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      The deductions I find avaialble for my personal income taxes were deliberatly written into law AS deduictions. I did not walk through an elabporate maze to build a house overseas, or hire a squad of lawers to create a way to expoit this "bug" in the tax code.

      Where do you draw the line of what's acceptable tax-reduction methods and what isn't? If you have an investment property, sometimes it makes more sense to incorporate and put that investment property under that C-corp. You seem to be drawing a line between what's "acceptable" and what's "out of line". Not everyone agree with the line you've drawn.

      If they took the time to figure out how to do what they have already done, it's not much of a stretch to imaginge that they are lobbying hard. They are, afterall, a money making machine.

      Got it, guilty because...you can imagine it.

      That's admitting it IS A PROBELM in Apple's own judgemnt and passing blame to Congress.

      Congress *is* to blame. Taking advantage of a legal method of reducing your taxes instead of voluntarily paying more is *not* the problem. The problem is that those legal methods are there to begin with.

      The collective total amount of money this 'loophole" has cost the governemnt is a lot.

      Read what I said. If Apple alone were to voluntarily pay taxes on its overseas profits. That'd amount to about ~80B$. Or about how much money the DoD blows in 2 weeks. That doesn't solve anything.

      The only way to actually make a dent is to make them, their competitors and all the other companies also pay more in taxes. That's kinda beyond Apple's abilities.

      Ture. But they ARE a part of the problem... not the solution.

      Have you written your congressman and senator about taxing royalties of foreign subsidiaries of US companies? No? Then you're part of the problem, not the solution.

    53. Re:Driving in reverse by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Apple's not blameless and have plenty of business nastiness in them. No one gets as old as they are and remain idealists.

      Then it sounds like Apple's infamous "reality distorting" marketing department is no longer just selling products, but has taken on the role of public relations as well.

      Considering you believe only Apple does it - yeah, the RDF sure as hell works on you.

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    54. Re:Driving in reverse by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Cook is making his mark by highlighting the importance of social efforts: LGBT rights, philanthropy, corporate diversity, renewable energy and improving manufacturing conditions abroad.

      I thought Apple was first and foremost a technology company?

      So?

      Anyway, how exactly is he "highlighting" that? Most of what he talks about has nothing to do with it.

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    55. Re:Driving in reverse by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      "...and then those crazy ports started showing up on PCs." For the record, PCs had USB ports in "1996," 2 years before the iMac. An update to Windows 95 added USB support.

      For the record: most PCs didn't have USB when the iMac came out. To be fair, those with an Intel mobo had them on the mobo, but usually without external ports. And we all remember that all those USB peripherals had translucent blue cases not because of zhe iMac, but because it went nicely with the BSOD Windows liked to give when you used them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjZQGRATlwA

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    56. Re:Driving in reverse by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      What defines a "douche bag" is a question of perspective. From my point of view, LGBTQQIAAP rights activists, feminists, and other SJW are the douche bags. But, of course, I agree that those douche bags (from my perspective) can consider me as a douche bag (from their perspective). So let's fight each other for our moral values and let's see who will be the strongest!

    57. Re:Driving in reverse by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I guess you're not aware of how tax brackets work. The percentage charged for income at the highest bracket does not define the percentage paid on all income. The GP wrote "effective tax rate" for a reason.

    58. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not being SJW and not adding more bullshit extra privileges snowflakes e.g. LGBTXYZWLOLROTFL, or trying to do 50%/50% male/female by shoving in low-quality employees who's main quality is "I have boobs", or that have boobs and penis both (thx LGBT) - is not the same as "being total douchebag".

      Btw supporting cultural marxism like that is what actually is irresponsible, just look at all the enriched (mass raped) countries in Europe (like Colone Germany) [that one is about pretend-refugees, not LGBTXYZWLOLROTFLs, but it's all being now done by this movements, just other aspect).

      Either way I want company that does good stuff for me the customer, doesn't spy on me, doesn't backdoor me, doesn't restrict me. I prefer open-source of course. That is what I expect from TECH COMPANY, not doing assorted bullshit from domain of politicians and other jackasses.

    59. Re:Driving in reverse by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      So you're now claiming that Tim Cook perjured himself in front of Congress when he testified that Apple pays US taxes?

      I know, it's shocking that someone might try to minimize their tax liability; I'm sure you pay a bunch of unnecessary taxes and don't bother with any deductions when you file. Wait, you do? Why the double standard?

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    60. Re:Driving in reverse by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Then I think your point was way too subtle.

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    61. Re:Driving in reverse by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Who else would be to blame about how fucked up the US tax code is, other than the sole legislative body with the Constitutional authority to fix it?

      Why are you so adamant to let the Congress, who has been derelict of duty for some time now on the issue of tax reform, off the hook? They are the only ones that can make tax law at the Federal level, they are the only ones that have ever had the power to do so, and without repealing or amending Article I, Section 7 they will be the only ones that can.

      Don't like Apple's (and Google's, and many other corporations) tax strategies? Write your fucking representative in Congress.

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    62. Re:Driving in reverse by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      False equivalence.

      Paying only what the law requires in taxes to a government that is more likely to waste that money on bullshit than do anything good with it is in no way equivalent to dumping tons of caustic and toxic shit into an open pit and shrugging it off. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

      For the record, even if Apple paid tax on every single dollar they make worldwide, it would only fund the Department of Defense for like 3 days.

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    63. Re:Driving in reverse by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Toyota and Honda both manufacture in the US (as well as other "import" brands), but it's not because they're being good guys and care about keeping the UAW alive - they're doing it to dodge protectionist import tariffs on cars.

      If it's assembled in Indiana, you don't pay that tariff. And you can still manufacture the parts in Japan, as those don't have the tariff applied.

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    64. Re:Driving in reverse by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      This is who Foxcon has such a good reputation

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    65. Re:Driving in reverse by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Because it's Apple, and this is Slashdot.

      Either you're new here, or haven't been here in the last 10 years. Back then, Slashdot loved Apple because they made UNIX mainstream.

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    66. Re: Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what are your "moral values," exactly?

    67. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strong straw man there. They are not mutually exclusive, but Apple is definitely ignoring a lot of useful feedback from its userbase.

    68. Re:Driving in reverse by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Or, Apple's laid-off US assembly line workers could have taken one of the tens of thousands of new jobs the company has created in the US.

      I'm not sure why Toyota is relevant to a story about Apple. But sure, let's use a Toyota scenario. If Toyota were to close a factory that employed 2000 workers; but then opened a design, engineering, and research campus that employed 6000, that's a net GAIN of 4000 jobs.

      And in both cases, the reality with Apple and the hypothetical with Toyota, the jobs gained are better and more desirable.

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    69. Re:Driving in reverse by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Uh, no, NEXT was Mach (now XNU) kernel + BSD userland. A fork of BSD would be BSD kernel + BSD userland

    70. Re:Driving in reverse by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Same goes for LLVM/Clang on XCode

    71. Re:Driving in reverse by Whorelander · · Score: 1

      That's kind of beside the initial point, but it's still interesting none the less, and that video is classic. I didn't even know PCs had USB ports before 98, not until I picked up this old Compaq Presario. I do recall Intel's comment about Apple though, about USB becoming successful on the Mac.

      BTW, I switched to using Macs full time during most of the Win95 days and after, so I rarely experienced BSOD. When I finally switched back to PCs to compliment my Macs it was with XP64 ( when it finally supported Wacom drivers, etc...). The Compaq I bought is running Win95, so maybe I'll see it, but it has yet to crash; it has an Intel mobo with a cool predator on it.

    72. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I think Apple has been first-and-foremost a marketing company that just happens to market its own (usually derivative) technology. And no, this is not flame-bait, it is a serious contention that I think is well supported by the facts

    73. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apples sales are such that they could create the supply chain. The point of domestic production is not just jobs, it is also the supply chain. In essence Apple quit on domestic production because domestic production did not already exist.

          Yes tax law needs to be changed but Apple has always been at the forefront of dodging taxes and has used tax dodging as a hype opportunity. Remember Jobs being such a great guy because his salary was only a dollar? Dodging because it is required to compete is one thing. Hyping yourself as a saint because you are dodging is another.

    74. Re:Driving in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Baloney. The particulars of issues mat change but there has been no great social conscience awakened of late. Quite the opposite in fact. It is just that corporate voices are the only ones heard now.

          Cook has this social issue agenda because otherwise there would be little to say at meetings.

    75. Re:Driving in reverse by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      I'm very much aware of how tax brackets work. Apple makes so much more than $415k/year that the income taxed at lower brackets would be a rounding error.

  3. More Socially Responsible, Less Visionary... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    With surprisingly higher walls around the Apple garden.

    1. Re:More Socially Responsible, Less Visionary... by organgtool · · Score: 1

      With surprisingly higher walls around the Apple garden.

      And they're making their users pay for it.

  4. Just what the world needs right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    More Socially Responsible, Less Visionary

  5. Stagnant? by krisbrowne42 · · Score: 1

    Just because you don't know what they're doing doesn't mean they aren't... I was just looking at this article which points out that Apple's R&D has gone up many times over since Job's passed on...

    https://medium.com/beyond-devi...

    Apple has a VERY long view of their devices, and the incremental improvements and developments you see in their products today are only glimpses of what I believe will come down the line.

    1. Re:Stagnant? by npslider · · Score: 1

      I hope to see, new world changing products. But simply spending tons of money does not translate to epic products without a true visionary directing it.

    2. Re:Stagnant? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      I was just looking at this article which points out that Apple's R&D has gone up many times over since Job's passed on...

      The thing is, that's usually a bad sign. It means that your development teams are growing very quickly, which has two effects:

      • The median age/experience level drops precipitously, resulting in poorer output quality.
      • The amount of effort required to maintain the products designed by more people grows by the square of the number of people involved.

      Eventually you reach a point where every additional person makes the product worse or more delayed, rather than better or faster. These days, I keep getting the feeling that Apple passed that point a while back, and they just haven't noticed yet. This is one reason why innovative ideas almost invariably come from small companies, not big ones.

      The other reason is that the larger Apple grows, the harder it will be to innovate, because the breakage caused by doing so will become an ever bigger problem as the code base increases in size. At some point, it will be necessary for Apple to start over from scratch—probably by buying a company that creates some innovative alternative. At that point, it will have fully become Microsoft or IBM. And that's okay. Eventually, somebody else will come along and become the next Apple. It's the circle of life.

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    3. Re:Stagnant? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You mean, like how Microsoft Research has done for Microsoft?

    4. Re:Stagnant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple R&D is researching what other people have done and developing the plan to buy it. Apple is the originator of very few things. They're just good at buying the things, building it for 4 bucks, putting 10 bucks of polish on it, and selling it for 500 bucks.

    5. Re:Stagnant? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Apple's R&D has gone up many times over since Job's passed on...

      Apple changed from R&D to R&R.

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  6. Re: Even God has to rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who the fuck is going to fix that "dent in the universe"?

  7. An interest dichotomy by grasshoppa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You can like it, or hate it, but you can simply not ignore Apple.

    This highly depends on your perspective. For instance, I have no apple stuff, nor do any of their products excite me in a way that would suggest that'll change soon. So in that context, I can simply ignore apple.

    However, from a business perspective, they're the 800 lb gorilla. What's interesting, however, is how easy it is for some of their target audience to ignore them.

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    1. Re:An interest dichotomy by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      I am thinking that "you can simply not ignore Apple" is true... in the same way that you can simply not ignore the pretentious dork at the party who keeps turning all conversations back toward himself.

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    2. Re:An interest dichotomy by avandesande · · Score: 2

      what's the chances he's got an iphone?

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    3. Re:An interest dichotomy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For someone who can ignore Apple you sure are doing a poor job of it.

    4. Re:An interest dichotomy by organgtool · · Score: 2

      Even if you don't buy Apple products, you're still effected by their business decisions. For instance, many laptop manufacturers stopped making a 17" laptop after Apple discontinued the 17" Macbook Pro. Worse yet, many phone manufacturers released phones without headphone jacks simply based on the rumor that the new iPhone wasn't going to have one. Therefore, even though you may not buy Apple products, your choice of features becomes more limited as companies blindly follow Apple's lead.

    5. Re:An interest dichotomy by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      Even if you don't buy Apple products, you're still effected by their business decisions. For instance, many laptop manufacturers stopped making a 17" laptop after Apple discontinued the 17" Macbook Pro.

      Actually, none did 17" before Apple started doing so, so what would you have lost if they didn't introduce it in the first place?

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    6. Re:An interest dichotomy by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Unless you're still using a flip phone, whatever smartphone you have was influenced in design and function by Apple.

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  8. More socially resposible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I notice none of the items in that list include "paying more taxes."

    1. Re: More socially resposible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha. My thoughts exactly.

    2. Re:More socially resposible by ranton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It said socially responsible not financially irresponsible.

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    3. Re:More socially resposible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure you and de-couple the two. Would not an infusion of $millions or $billions help the Dems in their give away programs ?

    4. Re:More socially resposible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paying more taxes would be illegal under US law. Corporations are required to dig up every penny they can or face shareholder lawsuits.

      If you have an issue with the paucity of Apple's tax contributions to society, and you should, you should put the blame where it belongs, the SCOTUS and congress.

    5. Re:More socially resposible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More socially responsible? That's great!

    6. Re:More socially resposible by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I notice none of the items in that list include "paying more taxes."

      How is financing the US military-industrial complex and the wars on everything socially responsible?

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  9. what exactly is apple supposed to create? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 0

    the iphone and apple watch are all evolutionary products that have been around in some form for decades i've used the iphone since the 3G and my 6S does so many more things that i don't know how people say it's not innovative

    1. Re:what exactly is apple supposed to create? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because very little you see in your 6S was something Apple innovated. They just bought it from someone else, put turd polish on it, and sold it.

  10. Fuck Social Responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In the real world, this means "Endorse every lunatic leftist idea to come down the pike."

    Let people social justice on their own time. Tim Cook should be in the business of making Apple shareholders money.

    1. Re:Fuck Social Responsibility by CrazyBusError · · Score: 1

      Alternative idea:

      Let investors who value ROI over ethics go invest in a different company.

      Tim Cook should be in the business of a number of things of which investor return is one and not necessarily the most important one, at that. Anyone who's invested in Apple over the years is well aware of this.

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  11. Re: Even God has to rest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God's insurance company

  12. "you can simply not ignore Apple" by DogDude · · Score: 1

    Sure I can. I use none of their products. I don't care what they do. They really have on impact on my life, not even tangentially.

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    1. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by Camembert · · Score: 1

      But of course they do have impact on your life. I assume you have an android phone. Consider the way Android looked before the iphone. Consider also how in the 1980s they brought the GUI concept our of the xerox labs into the hands of many users. Whatever computer you use, unless you are a command line purist, you have been impacted by this.

    2. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by Nemyst · · Score: 2

      Do you own a phone, a computer, a TV, a watch? Do you use a web browser? Do you listen to digital music? Congratulations, Apple has had an impact on you, sometimes directly, sometimes tangentially. You may not like it, but putting your head in the sand just makes you appear disconnected from reality.

    3. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice job strawman

    4. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      By that score, IBM, Microsoft, 3M, and Dupont all have an impact on your life. And arguably stronger than any that Apple has.

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    5. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you own a phone

      Graham Bell invented the phone, nice try.

      , a computer,

      Nope, that was mostly Shannon, Nyquist, Turing and Von Neumann. Miniaturisation, we can thank William Shockley, Fairchild and Intel for that.

      a TV

      Aside from the resolution and colour, and digital interface, my TV is used in exactly the same way as my first CGA monitor: I plug it in to my PC. All the smart crap that I don't want can go piss up a rope.

      , a watch?

      What? I have a Breitling. Considering it was made in 1962, I don't think Apple has changed it in any way.

      Do you use a web browser?

      Sadly yes. The web being the most uniquely terrible human experience we all must suffer through. Terrible as it is, I don't really see what meaningful contribution Apple has made to making it our shared experience of torture?

      Do you listen to digital music?

      Of course. Philips invented the CD. Not Apple. Nice try, but wrong again.

      Congratulations, Apple has had an impact on you, sometimes directly, sometimes tangentially. You may not like it, but putting your head in the sand just makes you appear disconnected from reality.

      You failed with every example you gave. 0/6 mate.

    6. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      "brought the GUI concept our of the xerox labs into the hands of many users"

      Nice euphemism for "stole".

    7. Re:"you can simply not ignore Apple" by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Just saying something doesn't make it true.

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  13. tax evading, job exporting, pinkwashing by bnmm · · Score: 0

    non-olympic triathlon? your favourite sjw capitalists crankin' out nonconformist gadgetry by the million when they're not too busy filling out h-1b visa

  14. Less visionary... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and in the process, boring.

  15. Does that include anti-poaching agreements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple and other tech companies conspired together to hold down wages. That doesn't sound very progressive.

    It also doesn't sound progressive when they charge far more for their products than others. It's easy to promote social causes with a fat profit margin.

  16. Perhaps we are too impatient by Camembert · · Score: 1

    It is not because there is not a breakthrough product launched every 2 years that they have lost their way.
    For example, I still expect a lot of future generations of the Apple Watch (consider also how the phone evolved). Esp. because they have been hiring clever/phd level people with experience in sensors like blood glucose, blood oxygen and whatnot. Once they crack the nut of making that reliable for a large audience and once they pass health device regulatory certification, that will truly become a breakthrough product, since everyone wants to be healthy. Health is an enormous and far too costly business, Apple could be disruptive there.

  17. Re:Apple employee here. by unixisc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not an Apple employee, but I'd rather that he decoupled his personal interests from the company, since it's a public company and not his personal fiefdom. What if he came from the other end - let's say a member of the 700 Club or Family Research Council or one more of those anti LGBT or anti abortion groups? Would people still be hailing him or Apple?

    People of all political persuasions use products independently based on their personal preferences - be it iPhones, Androids, Blackberries, Lumias, et al. They should be able to do it w/o feeling guilty about the company making them being against their personal beliefs.

  18. Sharma by hondo77 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, let's listen to Amit Sharma, whose LinkedIn profile says:

    I focus on making supply chain work around ever-evolving customer needs.

    What a visionary! That's so beyond anything Tim Cook could even dream of...

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  19. You don't own your iPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember, ensuring that the company owns your phone after you buy it is socially responsible.

    1. Re:You don't own your iPhone by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      There is no reasonable definition of ownership under which I do not own my phone.

  20. "Let's Talk About Apple..." by lanybaggins · · Score: 2

    Let's just not.

  21. Really...Apple is socially concious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would argue that Apple under Tim Cook has really only pushed the LGBT rights part, and frankly some of that was too easy...pressuring clueless state legislators in Indiana- South Carolina and so on. No real impact to Apple's bottom line. The others...I mean really no perceptible change.

    LGBT rights
    philanthropy
    corporate diversity
    renewable energy
    mproving manufacturing conditions abroad

  22. An interesting source, not a worthy one by Darkness+Of+Course · · Score: 1

    Seriously, an apple article by money.CNN.com? WTF, how is this even interesting, much less related to news for nerds. No technology, just more pandering to both sides of the apple/anti-apple divide. Give me an article detailing, or hell even hinting, about new tech from apple, or about swift 2 or when swift 3 will be out. Would apple want to use or be able to use Intel's 10nm fab? Why not? Or Why? money? Cnn.com? Clueless sites do promote tech, must less good tech.

  23. Who the fuck... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...gives a shit about "social responsibility"?!?! I want shiny Apple gadgets that are built to last.

    1. Re:Who the fuck... by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Apple consumers, of course.
      Maximum social justice points, minimum actual effort to help anything.

  24. Safari by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish they would update Safari. According to HTML5Test, Safari's HTML5 support is worse than that of Chrome, Opera, Firefox and Edge.

  25. Mothers Of America - Give Birth To Mules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AKA The Walking Dead.

    Timmy's play book comes from the end of Sculley to the re-hire of Jobs! That is the Biggest Problem for Apple Inc. Remember that Apple Computer Inc. was named after it's first product, the Apple ][ computer built by Wozniak who built the Apple 1, a hobby prototype.

    Therefore why has Timmy not re-branded Apple Inc. to iPhone Inc.? And the Apple Watch to iPhone Watch and the iPad(s) to iPhone Ads?

    Spine? Testicles?

    Ha ha
     

  26. It's great that Tim Cook loves LGBTQ stuff, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The reality of Apple is this:

    1) iPhone progress has stagnated... sales of iPhone has gone down

    2) the iPad line is in desperate straits

    3) Apple TV has failed

    4) OS X has stalled, interoperability with iOS is pitiful

    5) The MacBook line is a disaster and years out of date.

    6) The Apple Watch is a flop.

    But hey, he's gay, so we have to overlook the fact that he doesn't know what he's doing as CEO?

  27. Re:Apple employee here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget it. He is fighting for the same social justice causes as Soros. He is a saint.

  28. Nice, but... by Sqreater · · Score: 1

    Basically Cook is "spending" what Jobs made, like the surviving wife of an aggressive industrialist of the 1800s. It will look good until the company begins to get behind and then fail.

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  29. Don't let Apple.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't let Apple use their hardware security module ideas to give themselves guaranteed privacy as a corporation when/if cooperating with FBI, when such would make impossible any guarantee of privacy for the individual user.

  30. Visionary. by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Where Jobs was "visionary" was in figuring out how to tap into the natural cult followers.

  31. Re: Cook is no friend of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aren't fascists usually the ones who do the face-punching?

  32. Re:It's great that Tim Cook loves LGBTQ stuff, but by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Funny thing. I went to an Apple store a couple of weekends ago, hoping to buy a case for an iPad. At the door, the greeter checked what I wanted, and then told me that they don't sell iPad accessories any more, just iPhone. I know that Apple has been dumping iPads wherever possible like birdseed - at Minneapolis Airport, I saw a terminal filled w/ them. They could try a cost reduction on those things to get them out to more people

  33. Re: Cook is no friend of mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Aren't fascists usually the ones who do the face-punching?

    Yes, SJW fascists from "anti fa" like to attack e.g. reporters on public street who ask them questions. So do many others SJWs as well.

  34. Tim Cook as a visionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was Steve Jobs really a visionary in the same league with Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, and the Wright Brothers? I think the answer to that question is YES!

    On the other hand, Tim Cook is no slouch in the vision department. There are a lot of initiatives in his portfolio including health kit, home kit, Apple watch, Apple music, etc. We don't know the entire scope of their efforts in the automotive area. Creating a worldwide supply chain and sales team isn't an easy feat considering the size of Apple's business. Tim was smart to cement a strong relationship with Jonny Ive and to give Ive more authority. Tim knows how to manage a large organization and this includes good people skills. Would Steve have fired Scott Forstall? (I rather doubt it).

  35. stock flight about to plumet by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    There is absolutely no good reason why apple's stock should be where it is. One day, people will realize that and I have a feeling it'll come crashing down.

    They can't even decide if they want an earphone jack or not.

  36. Re:Apple employee here. by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    What if he came from the other end - let's say a member of the 700 Club or Family Research Council or one more of those anti LGBT or anti abortion groups? Would people still be hailing him or Apple?

    Do you think being a member of the KKK in the 60's was as commendable as being a member of the NAACP? Just asking since all causes seem to be equivalent in your world....