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ReactOS 0.4.2 Released: Supports Linux Filesystems, .NET Applications, and Doom 3 (reactos.org)

Continuing its rapid release cycle, ReactOS has unveiled version 0.4.2 of its free "open-source binary-compatible Windows re-implementation." Slashdot reader jeditobe reports that this new version can now read and write various Linux/Unix file systems like Btrfs and ext (and can read ReiserFS and UFS), and also runs applications like Thunderbird and 7-Zip. ReactOS 0.4.2 also features Cygwin support, .NET 2.0 and 4.0 application support, among other updated packages and revised external dependencies such as Wine and UniATA. The team also worked to improve overall user experience...

ReactOS is free. You can boot your desktop or laptop from it. It looks like Windows (a 10-year-old version, anyway), so you already know how to use it. And it'll run some Windows and DOS applications, maybe including DOS games that regular 64-bit Windows can no longer touch.
These videos even show ReactOS running Elder Scrolls: Skyrim and Doom 3.

145 comments

  1. Yes, but... by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...can it run Crysis?

    1. Re: Yes, but... by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Informative

      ReactOS is not Unix-like, silly. It is NT-like.

    2. Re: Yes, but... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It would be impressive if I could install Interix on ReactOS. Maybe sometime I will give it a try.

    3. Re: Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending in your hardware, it may or may not run ~0.3773 of 1 crysis v1 units.

    4. Re: Yes, but... by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't put much stock in what things mean to you then, because you don't seem to understand a pretty basic aspect of what's being demonstrated.

      --
      "Old man yells at systemd"
    5. Re: Yes, but... by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      It's even less impressive that they're running it in a VM.

      --
      "Prediction: within 10 years, Windows will be a Linux distribution." Me, 7-6-2016
    6. Re: Yes, but... by ofprimes · · Score: 1

      Oh, then will it run on my Cyrix?

      --
      He who gets the last laugh, laughs last.
    7. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried to run the Live CD. Didn't work. Error seemed to be saying the system 32 files were missing.

    8. Re: Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably on a 5x86 or 6x86

  2. The OS That Just Won't Quit by wjcofkc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the longest time, article after article of slow progress I did not even think the developers took this seriously beyond beyond some coding fun. Color me impressed. This might take off in a few years. Now that I think of it, I am reminded of another OS that was relegated "maybe someday".

    --
    Brought to you by Carl's Junior.
    1. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      For the longest time, article after article of slow progress I did not even think the developers took this seriously beyond beyond some coding fun.

      Remember they are re-creating Windows NT (and more) from the ground up. It's a big job. Looking to how long it took Linus to make his kernel isn't really a good metric. Linux wasn't the first free UNIX (the BSDs) were plus Linux got all the GNU tools. So UNIX like operating systems have been in development for a long time. Since WinNT is a different architecture it will take lots of work to get off the ground.

      Another thing to keep in mind is they are going for internal compatibility as well. So it's not just about documented APIs but undocumented APIs. The reverse engineering adds another task to their already lengthy list.

      Honestly I check out the ReactOS code base every few days and look at the progress they are making. It's pretty amazing. I contributed a few patches but they really need lots more help.

      I'm no Windows fanboy (I'm an OpenBSD fanboy actually) I do think that having a diverse OS ecosystem is really important and the work that the ReactOS guys are doing is very important. I'm glad they get press coverage here in the hopes that it may attract some developers with Win32 experience.

    2. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by iampiti · · Score: 2

      They do make continuous progress but they have few programmers and it's a lot of work to clone Windows down to the last API. So it will take a long time until it's somewhat mature and stable.
      Also the current target is Windows 2003 server so anything requiring a newer version or 64 bits won't run.
      So great work but still a long way to go

    3. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are some things that are such a monumental task, they may never be implemented. Ignoring libraries like MFC and Vb6 runtime, the terminal services API is nothing but empty functions

    4. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are some things that are such a monumental task, they may never be implemented. Ignoring libraries like MFC and Vb6 runtime, the terminal services API is nothing but empty functions

      It's not as bleak as you make it out. There are some things they get for free that other operating systems, e.g. Linux, have had to code. Consider USB support. They don't need to write piles of USB device drivers. They simply need enough of the USB framework and built-in drivers to make things work. Because they are implementing the NT kernel API once they have USB drivers for HID & hubs they can just load standard Windows NT drivers.

      The same for MFC and Vb6 runtimes. That's not part of the OS. It's a redistributable that is included in apps and gets installed with them. They don't have to worry about that stuff. The ReactOS guys do benefit from WINE for much of the userspace stuff.

      What they need help with is:

      • Cache manager: Their cache manager doesn't work as well as the NT one which manages 256k views. The Microsoft one was written long ago and they could probably design a better one since gigabytes of RAM isn't theoretical as it was when NT was written.
      • Filesystems: It would be really nice to have a proper read/write NTFS driver. To help migrate between Microsoft Windows and ReactOS it really is a must.
      • Testing. Their kernel mode implementation of the USER and GDI stuff needs testing to find corner case bugs.
    5. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by LVSlushdat · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I spent close to 20 years supporting MS products. I retired in 2010, and soon decided I was through with anything MS.. All of my home systems are 100% Linux, *however* its great to see an OS that likely allow one to run a Windows program that, for whatever reason, won't work in Wine. I don't expect to have this happen, but one never knows.. After seeing what a shitshow Windows 10 is, privacy-wise and MS a bang-up job of using just about every malware vector to get their shitshow on everybody's computer, I couldn't be happier to have left MS in the dirt....

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      THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
    6. Re: The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was an announcement about 10 years ago by the main kernel developer of ReactOS at the time that he had some breakthrough he was developing (but would check in only when completed) and in about 3 months ReactOS will run the native Windows user land or something, but it basically meant the OS will be completed. 3 or 4 weeks after the post the guy gets scooped up for a cushy position with MS and all that work is not released to public.

    7. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      And I am a FreeBSD fanboy : ) But I agree with everything you say. This is a big challenge and I have the highest respect for the team pursuing. I have never bothered running it (until tomorrow), but I feel like it is part of my life for how long I have been watching it.

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      Brought to you by Carl's Junior.
    8. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly I was skeptical about the project when I first heard of it... Now that they're actually making progress, I'm more worried about the devs or the entire project being shut down by Microsoft through some questionably-legal means. Beyond that it didn't seem like there was any point...why re-build Windows NT in the first place? We've kind of gotten past that point.

      Now, though? I know Windows 10 gets ragged on a lot, but this time it's for a legitimate reason in my mind. It's just been one bug, one functionality-breaking patch after another...that's what really kills me. Bought a Windows 10 laptop, a relatively cheap HP, since it had a webcam built in. Great, I can use Skype now. Before the Anniversary Update was even released, I booted the thing up one day...can't detect the webcam any longer. All it would spit out is some esoteric error that I couldn't even find reference to on Google, the permissions were at their defaults so it couldn't have been blocked. Brought the thing in to have them take a look at it...they installed Windows 8.1 (the original OS), it worked. They upgraded to an unpatched Windows 10...so far so good. Upgraded to the Anniversary Update? Now the webcam doesn't work and there's apparently no compatible driver for the touchscreen any more.

      At this point I'm pretty firmly convinced that the ReactOS folks could make a better Windows than Microsoft ever could, as odd as that sounds. Whether Microsoft will _let_ them on the other hand, that's another question. They certainly played enough dirty tricks with their competitors over the years, someone trying to re-make Windows is going to be in their sights the moment they start achieving big strides like this... Either way, kudos to them on sticking with something that most of us dismissed as a silly idea in the beginning.

    9. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      Linux wasn't the first free UNIX (the BSDs) were plus Linux got all the GNU tools.

      Actually, it kinda was. BSD was still tied up in the court battle with AT&T at the time. That is the reason I've seen stated that Linus wrote a new kernel.

      --
      Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer, Retired
    10. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Reactos is more important than many may think. If it ever gains proper compatibilty with Windows seven MS can kiss their dominance goodbye.

      As we've seen with DOSBox, the ability to run existing games may make many gamers simply decide not to go to win10 and beyond.

      While the ReactOS people need more hands, they also need the GPU manufacturers to test the drivers under ReactOS.

      Does anybody know if ReactOS can run the exiting Win7 GPU drivers?

      --
      I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
    11. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by snadrus · · Score: 1

      Its base-project (Wine) is already a standard Microsoft themselves uses for compatibility testing. As they cover more APIs, I suspect they will start closing-in, especially since they only implement what works and ignore projects Microsoft failed at (old mobile OS versions, for example). With Chakra-Core and other Microsoft open-source pieces, they can collect gains they don't even need to build.

      There may even be a time Microsoft sees this open-source project with "clean" C/C++ code superior to the multi-GB amassment of questionable binaries they add to devices today.

      --
      Science & open-source build trust from peer review. Learn systems you can trust.
    12. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's more or less the same problem the Wine project faces...certainly not lack of talent in the development department, it's made amazing progress over the years. The problem is that neither Wine nor ReactOS are EVER going to achieve complete compatibility with the most RECENT version of Windows, which is what developers are targeting. That doesn't mean they can't do plenty of good work at supporting legacy software...hell, a lot of banks are still holding onto their COBOL systems for dear life. ReactOS could potentially save a lot of companies using legacy NT systems a LOT of money and time. If you think you'll be able to boot up the latest Steam titles in ReactOS any time soon, though...not a chance. I wouldn't even call being able to run Doom 3 a plus to be honest, the game is nearing ten years old and it wasn't that good to begin with...but it is a good sign of progress on the low-level internals, so as a tech demo it's very useful.

      Reminds me a lot of the "fable" of Achilles and the Tortoise, which is meant to be a sort of "demonstration" of Zeno's Paradox... Achilles and the tortoise are in a race, which is obviously unfair as all fuck for the tortoise...so the tortoise gets a 100 foot head start and the race begins. Achilles runs like hell to catch up to where the tortoise WAS...but in the time it took him to do it, the tortoise has moved another...10 feet ahead, say. Achilles catches up, the tortoise is now 5 feet ahead... Does Achilles ever catch up to the tortoise, let alone pass it? Common sense would say sure...but common sense and the computer industry VERY seldom go hand in hand. What's more likely to happen to ReactOS is that it will achieve a high degree of compatibility with a legacy version of Windows...but if you want to run the latest Windows software, you're going to need the latest version of Windows. You can't even expect a smooth experience THEN for that matter...I doubt No Man's Sky would run any better on Windows 7 than it would 10, for example, because it's a bug ridden pile of garbage.

    13. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by null+etc. · · Score: 1

      Now that I think of it, I am reminded of another OS that was relegated "maybe someday".

      Gnu/Hurd?

    14. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I am a FreeBSD fanboy : )

      Oh when I said I was an OpenBSD fanboy I also am a huge FreeBSD fanboy (if nothing else just for ZFS). That being said while I love my BSD UNIX boxes there are some apps I need in my day to day work that really do want to run on Windows. WINE tends to focus on games. It doesn't help when I want to run Altium to lay out a PCB.

      That will be my first use of a ReactOS box when it becomes stable enough for me to do schematic capture & PCB layout on.

    15. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it kinda was. BSD was still tied up in the court battle with AT&T at the time. That is the reason I've seen stated that Linus wrote a new kernel.

      Linus wrote his kernel to learn the ins and outs of x86 protected mode. At the time he was running MINIX and came from that side of the world. Not that there was anything wrong with MINIX. But this is incorrect. BSD was already being ported to the i386 at the time in a series of Dr. Dobbs Journal magazines by William and Lynn Jolitz, a husband and wife team when Linus was starting to tinker.

    16. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Ignoring libraries like MFC and Vb6 runtime

      If they did a good job, then Microsofts own DLL libraries will work. No need to implement anything for vb6 runtime/etc.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    17. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oddly enough No man sky works pretty decent in wine on my arch linux laptop, 10 hours gameplay and only 2 crashes :D and it worked from the get go, no additional tweaking needed.

    18. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope someone cuts your throat and fucks the hole until you asphyxiate.

    19. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I don't think that ReactOS needs to have compatibility w/ current i.e. Windows 10. As I've stated here in the past, they should have 2 projects - a 32-bit and a 64-bit project. The 32-bit project should be aimed at being 100% compatible w/ Windows XP. The 64-bit one should be 100% compatible w/ Windows 7. Just do that, and a lot of people who don't like how Microsoft has been since 8 will gravitate towards it. Oh, and give it a cooler brand name.

    20. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by msk · · Score: 1

      Post your screed under your Slashdot ID.

    21. Re:The OS That Just Won't Quit by wildstoo · · Score: 1

      Really, Mr Nadella, there's no need for such vulgarisms!

  3. so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    since "It looks like Windows (a 10-year-old version, anyway)" then it looks just like modern windows 10? (puke)

    1. Re:so your saying by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it looks almost identical to Windows 2000. Compare:

      - Windows 2000
      - ReactOS

    2. Re:so your saying by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I love it! IMO Windows 2000 was the pinnacle of windows GUIs. Everything since then has just been fisher-price inspired nonsense.

      Gimma a GUI that gets the f__k out of my way and lets me focus on what I'm doing, and I'm a happy camper. If your job benefits from you having shiny translucent windows, then your job isn't very difficult to begin with. Windows 8/10 is a step in the right direction, but I think reverting to Windows 2.0 styling, overshot the mark by a smidge.

      Hell, even on my Mac, which is nowhere near as overkill with the special effects as Aero is, I still disable all the extraneous transparency effects cause they serve no purpose other than to make things harder to look at.

    3. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wanting your GUI to look like a decroded piece of shit is one thing, but the lack of Task Bar Pinning and Window Snapping alone make Win2k GUI a huge pain in the ass to use.

    4. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it looks almost identical to Windows 2000.

      That's a step in the right direction, IMO. The big, garishly-coloured plastic-like Fisher-Price UI they forced on us with XP was stupidly gaudy. The fugly, flat, too-colourful UI they forced on Win8/10 is even worse. Having to guess what might be a button and losing any 3D-ish hints of what might be edges of display elements is just absurd. (I'm glaring at MacOS, iOS and Android, too, for most of the same reasons, not just the dumbasses responsible for the Windows 8/10 UI trainwreck.)

      The classic Win9x/2k UI may be bland, but it's a lot more functional that what we're forced to use with the latest Windows releases.

    5. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree that windows usability peaked several versions ago (I'd say xp, but whatever) it's not the shiny translucent crap and purdy decorations that are the problem. They're just irrelevancies, like go-fast stripes on a car or the latest fad in house-paint. The problem is the increasingly chaotic mess they've made of the control panel and the creeping feature-itis they keep on shovelling over it for no good reason.

      (Also going to disagree about windows 8 being I step forward. A cluster of disorganised oversized icons shat all over screen doing their animated best to make me want to puke does not represent a step forward in my book.)

    6. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      decroded

      Definition, please? Unless your hands spazzed a bit and that's just a typo, you've used a non-dictionary word in your text.
      Necrotic? Degraded?

      the lack of ... Window Snapping alone make Win2k GUI a huge pain in the ass

      Speak for yourself. I find that having Windows grab a window I'm trying to move and slap it against something and resize it is an annoying PITA.

    7. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes to ReactOS: Gimme that Win2K wannabe so I can play me some classic Quake!!

    8. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh that's right...after DOOM came Quake, right? Everything old is new again =)

    9. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. I find that having Windows grab a window I'm trying to move and slap it against something and resize it is an annoying PITA.

      Wait, that was meant to be a feature? If I was full screen I can think of at least two easy ways to achieve that (double click, or the full-screen boxy thing), neither of which require the os to fail to read my mind.

    10. Re:so your saying by billyswong · · Score: 1

      Before your beloved so-called task bar pinning, we had... quick launch bar.

    11. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a step in the right direction, IMO. The big, garishly-coloured plastic-like Fisher-Price UI they forced on us with XP was stupidly gaudy.

      That was the beauty of XP, though: MS didn't force "Luna" on us. You could turn it off.

    12. Re:so your saying by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Why not work ReactOS work w/ the ClassicShell project so that their product can install and run on ReactOS? Maybe even integrate ClassicShell into the OS.

    13. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >lack of Task Bar Pinning and Window Snapping

      This makes me ANGRY. *YOU* are a fucking cvnt. A total fvcking twaaaat.
      You bring up 2 stuupiid features that nobody but .0000000000000001% actually give a crap about and do next to nothing & to you they're invaluable. LOL. Go FVCK yourself & don't forget to pin your scrotum to your fridge so you can be convienced by its where abouts later. LOL.

      Its shiitbag "power users" like you that I want to hit upside the head with a fvcking hammer for wasting my fvcking time showing you crap as you're looking for workarounds to stuff that you're too stuupid to figure out the normal way. Always whining, "please wipe my ass cos I can't discern it from my elbow."

      You are every non-tech manager I've ever worked for from my time as programmer, sysadmin & IT director. YOU fvcking sukk. 500 tabs open, 2GB RAM consumed & you whining that firefox is slow. Yeah, it isn't firefox that's slow, you are slow. attention whore deluxe.

    14. Re:so your saying by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      You can turn it off with Winaero Tweaker.

    15. Re:so your saying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Halle-freaking-lujah! I love the quick launch, Pinning just sucks ups space that should belong to active programs.The windows gui is stuck in perpetual redesign hell.

  4. 10 year old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean over 16 year old.
    10 year ago we were well into Windows XP's lifecycle and unless you were one of those weirdo that purposefully changed the luna theme for that old win98 theme because it was "faster", no one saw that in a long time.

    1. Re:10 year old? by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      10 years ago was Windows Vista's release... Scary, isn't it!?

    2. Re:10 year old? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Do you mean classic theme? Nothing to do with speed, I used to set it because the other looked like it had been designed by Fisher-Price.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    3. Re:10 year old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Win2K was good, Vista was the frumpy lady that added the P to MS. ReactOS - games. Maybe they're a metric as games tend to stress a system. But for daily use:
        * PhotoShop CS2 was set free by Adobe. Will it run; yes or no (not yes but.. twiddle, hack, twiddle, fix..).
        * Common software like 3rd party file managers, pano stitching tools, hdr software, scanner drivers from the install CD that came with the device.

      captcha: lavishly

  5. News? by darkain · · Score: 0

    Way to be on the ball, Slashdot! From their web site: "Release Date: 16 August 2016"

    I guess it is a good thing I follow Distrowatch instead, since they generally have OS release announcements within 24 hours.

  6. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, look. It's the same schmuck who posted essentially the same message on the SpaceX Dragon post.
    Hey, putz, if it doesn't interest you, just move along. There are billions of other sites, surely one of them must have something of interest.
    Slashdot has been posting stories like that for 20 years and lots of "anyone" are happy to read and comment *constructively.

    In short, GTFO and HANL

  7. Does it run MS Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only reason I keep a Windows 7 partition on my PC... if ReactOS can run it, I can go 100% FOSS operating systems.

    1. Re:Does it run MS Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you were really that committed to free and open source software, you would have also dumped the proprietary and now bunghole-invading microsoft office years ago.

    2. Re:Does it run MS Office? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think I didn't try that?

    3. Re:Does it run MS Office? by jeditobe · · Score: 1

      ReactOS can run office 2007 and 2003

  8. Please audio drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please make pro audio interfaces and midi work! If my audio stuff would work, this could save me from Windows 10.

    Please!!!

    1. Re:Please audio drivers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't ask it here, ask developers!

      https://www.reactos.org/irc

  9. Rapid release cycle by ITRambo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I appreciate the irony of a ten year development project being in a "rapid release cycle" at version 0.42.

    1. Re:Rapid release cycle by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, any frood knows that 42 is the answer to everything. Now don't forget your towel.

      --
      Excuse me, but please get off my Pennisetum Clandestinum, eh!
    2. Re:Rapid release cycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I appreciate the irony of a ten year development project being in a "rapid release cycle" at version 0.42.

      Whatever you're appreciating, it's not called irony.

  10. Cygwin by jdavidb · · Score: 1

    ReactOS 0.4.2 also features Cygwin support

    That's pretty much all I need in an OS :)

    1. Re:Cygwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hear that?

      It's the sound of a thousand linux developers slapping their forehead.

  11. To all the Windows complainers.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tired of forced upgrades to Windows 10? Tired of not being able to select the patches to install? Tired of patches breaking entire classes of hardware and application? Kick these guys some money or contribute some of your skill and time. Linux is great for apps that have a FOSS alternative. But sometimes you just need Windows. This should be a priority for PCs everywhere.

  12. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ME ME ME ME MEEEEEE...

    What are you doing, warming up to sing us an opera? Oh, wait, I get it, you're one of the ENTITLED generation.

    The other poster wished you a nice life...me, not so much. Me, I say GTFO and FOAD, not necessarily in that order.

  13. Re:It's tainted by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Um, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way you determine that is was copied. Also, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way to copy it. If the APIs are the same, of course. They are trying to create software that runs Windows programs that call Windows APIs. They would have to be the same. The law suit would fall into the same category as SCO vs IBM over Unix code in Linux.

  14. Does it run Microsoft Bob? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 1

    I mean, what is the point behind developing a new version of Windows to run old software if you can't run Bob?

  15. Re:Skyrim video is fake by Hylandr · · Score: 0

    The is shit in crowd need to have their balls stomped on after being set on fire.

    Most OS are designed to run on actual hardware. Virtualization is great for servers where the primary focus is the NIC(s) and not the GPU(s).

    ie : Stop trying to expect great performance when you are trying to fit a square cube through a small round hole.

    --
    ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
  16. Re:Skyrim video is fake by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    The [ OS ] is shit in [ Virtualization ] crowd need to have their balls stomped on after being set on fire.

    I do my best editing after I hit send.

    --
    ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
  17. Re:Skyrim video is fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not expecting anything, I'm just saying the video is fake.

  18. Re:It's tainted by war4peace · · Score: 1

    *its code.

    --
    ...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
  19. Re: It's tainted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhh Beavis, he said taint, ughh

  20. You already know by markdavis · · Score: 2

    >"It looks like Windows (a 10-year-old version, anyway), so you already know how to use it."

    Really? What if you have been using Linux pretty much exclusively for a few decades? :)

    1. Re:You already know by Pseudonym+Authority · · Score: 2

      Then you're the exception and not the rule, the sentence was not meant for you, and the only reason you are even responding to it is so you can not-so-subtly brag about how you don't own a TV^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H use linux.

    2. Re:You already know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you are a time-traveler, or have a different definition of "a few decades" than the rest of us. I'll grant you "a couple of decades" :P

  21. Re:It's tainted by haruchai · · Score: 2

    Um, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way you determine that is was copied. Also, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way to copy it. If the APIs are the same, of course. They are trying to create software that runs Windows programs that call Windows APIs. They would have to be the same. The law suit would fall into the same category as SCO vs IBM over Unix code in Linux.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... == Have a look; they may not be as vulnerable as you believe

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    Pain is merely failure leaving the body
  22. Re:Microsoft doesn't release its code by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    There have been leaks of Microsoft Windows code.

  23. Re:It's tainted by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    Your Right!

  24. Oracle vs Google comes to mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can M$ use these API retroactively against the devs?

    1. Re:Oracle vs Google comes to mind by haruchai · · Score: 1

      If it's strictly APIs, I don't think so but if the case ends of in the Eastern District Court of Texas, M$ could likely win the right to rape the ReactOS devs every 3rd weekend.

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    2. Re:Oracle vs Google comes to mind by haruchai · · Score: 1

      should be "ends up", not "ends of"

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    3. Re:Oracle vs Google comes to mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The main developers for ReactOS are in Russia. I think their reaction (haha) to a verdict handed down in Texas would be laughter.

    4. Re:Oracle vs Google comes to mind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These days, borders aren't something to Putin your trust. Hope Snowden doesn't find that out the hard way.

  25. Re:It's tainted by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

    I'd be less worried about copyright than about patents.

  26. Re:Who cares? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

    The world doesn't revolve around you. I know I should've prefaced this with a trigger warning, but it's the truth.

  27. LOOKS good, but what can it do? by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I would be so very grateful to the ReactOS community if I could run Office (2007 is fine), Zotero and some version of SolidWorks on it. I don't even dare to install ReactOS to try, as the disappointment would be crushing. Basically, I hope to not be forced to install Windows 10.

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    1. Re:LOOKS good, but what can it do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ReactOS already is able to run Office 2007.

      Also feel free to submit bug-reports related to Zotero and SolidWorks

      jira.reactos.org - bug-tracker

    2. Re:LOOKS good, but what can it do? by HatofPig · · Score: 2

      Install VirtualBox and remember what Meat Loaf sang, "Two out of three ain't bad."

      ReactOS offers a LiveCD and a regular Windows bootable install disk version,; either way it won't take you longer than 5 minutes to get to a usable desktop.

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    3. Re:LOOKS good, but what can it do? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I would be so very grateful to the ReactOS community if I could run Office (2007 is fine), Zotero and some version of SolidWorks on it. I don't even dare to install ReactOS to try, as the disappointment would be crushing. Basically, I hope to not be forced to install Windows 10.

      I think a VM would be better suited. Unfortunately Virtualbox maybe but it is a shitty type2 hypervisor and so is the now no longer developered VMWare workstation.

      I seen a commercial version of KVM on linustechtips where he ran up to 7 virtual machines with full GPU access on a monster Xeon box running Windows 10 guests with some AMD Nano's all running with the native win64 Crimson drivers too!

      KVM lacks a gui, but if it supports direct access to the hardware you can run your Windows OS as a guest with all it's drivers. The commerical KVM package had a tool to make an image off a hard disk and turn it into a VM too under Linux.

      Perhaps this would be your best bet in a couple years once KVM and more gui tools come out if you want to continue to use your Windows 7 setup (with internet now turned off) as a guest inside a Linux OS host. Ram is cheap and another SSD is cheap these days too so you can keep your existing disk?

    4. Re:LOOKS good, but what can it do? by kriston · · Score: 1

      What? VirtualBox is a very good type 2 hypervisor with hardware graphics acceleration and all the features anyone would need. I routinely run 6 large VMs on my workstation using VirtualBox under Windows.

      There's no need to spread false ideas about VirtualBox.

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  28. NTFS by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Why don't they do a 64-bit or 128-bit extension of NTFS, and make that their native file system. Make it backward compatible to support reading NTFS files & directories, and a way to write those as well? At least that way, it's a way out for people trying to flee Microsoft, but who are not comfortable w/ Linux, BSD or Apple

    1. Re:NTFS by janoc · · Score: 1

      And why should they? What is so great about NTFS apart from it being ancient and slow? Even Microsoft was hoping to abandon it in Vista, but the replacement fell victim to the scaling down of the (overly ambitious) objectives.

    2. Re:NTFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WinFS was never intended to replace NTFS. Rather, it was intended to work on top of NTFS.

    3. Re:NTFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most Windows users couldn't even define what a filesystem is, let alone tell you what filesystem Windows uses. As long as whatever system ReactOS uses 'just works' with case insensitivity and file extensions, then even the most knowledgeable people just will not care.

    4. Re:NTFS by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      And why should they? What is so great about NTFS apart from it being ancient and slow? Even Microsoft was hoping to abandon it in Vista, but the replacement fell victim to the scaling down of the (overly ambitious) objectives.

      Gee I don't know. Perhaps people may want to read their data they created from Windows.

    5. Re:NTFS by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Precisely! To answer janoc, compatibility!!! Nobody buys/gets Windows just for its own sake, the way they might w/ Mac OS, Linux or BSD. They get it b'cos they want to run software that only works w/ Windows, read files that were created in Windows! Hence, ReactOS supporting ext or btrfs doesn't mean a thing. What it has to support is NTFS. Since Microsoft does have patents that preclude anyone else from writing to NTFS, what I was suggesting that ReactOS do is slap on a file system that is compatible.

      On a different note, though, since the Microsoft of Nadella has been a lot more open source friendly than it was under either Gates or Ballmer, why not ask them to unlock the copyrights on things that they are in the process of retiring? If they can open-source PowerShell, then why not do the same for the versions of Windows that they want to retire? It's not like people who don't want to leave Windows 7 or Server 2012 will grudgingly go to 10 or 2016, they'll take the trouble and go to Linux or UNIX. As it is, they've opened up QA to the public, so why not open source their old OSs that they don't want to support any more, and let people like ReactOS and others take it and fork it any way they like? It's not like they're making money here - their revenue is now based on advertizing, just like Google is.

  29. Re:It's tainted by war4peace · · Score: 1

    My win! :)

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  30. Re:It's tainted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way you determine that is was copied.

    You may not be able to compare the source code, but ReactOS is open source, therefore Microsoft can compare the source code to their own proprietary source. Rest assured that if any copying is going on, Microsoft will promptly sue ReactOS into oblivion.

  31. Still not very functional by ourlovecanlastforeve · · Score: 1, Informative

    This is a cute project but it still doesn't do anything.

    It can't even run applications installed through its own application manager.

    When I installed Firefox using the built in application manager, the OS froze, then after a reset it wouldn't boot.

    1. Re:Still not very functional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you're doing something wrong then, considering that they have a video showing not just Firefox web browser being installed and running but FirefoxOS as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzzKfAmx-v8

    2. Re:Still not very functional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your point?
      It is meant to be copying windows behaviour, after all.

    3. Re:Still not very functional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzzKfAmx-v8 says you are wrong.

  32. More filesystems supported by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet it can only boot from FATshit

  33. Can't wait for the real Cost Savings by ssufficool · · Score: 1

    It is nice and all to keep me from spending $100 every 2-3 years on a new OS. But that's not where the money is. Active Directory and Client Access Licenses are the money makers. Too much money. When ReactOS performs in the server space, then my pants will get tight over the new version.

    1. Re:Can't wait for the real Cost Savings by dbIII · · Score: 1
      Active Directory is just a subset of LDAP and there are plenty of other implementations, including the samba one that is very similar.

      Client Access Licenses are the money makers

      They almost fit the category of hidden costs and it's almost as if they were designed to cause cost overruns in projects. Since the stuff I support was never ported to MS windows it's been like watching a train wreck happen to others. At least with shitloads per seat product licensing you know exactly how much a project is going to cost instead of having extras come in from nowhere just because someone wants MS remote desktop instead of one of the many alternatives.

      When ReactOS performs in the server space

      Maybe it already does for the MS platform server software you want to run. Some of it isn't all the complicated.

  34. Re:It's tainted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't intentionality release it's code...
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    or educational/military/large enough client

  35. Re:It's tainted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    citation needed.

    And lets be honest, Microsoft can stonewall this project into shutdown anytime they like, regardless of the merits of the case.

  36. DOSbox by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    It could do for old Win16/32 apps what DOSbox did for old DOS apps, letting users and commercial vendors run their old software on modern hardware.

    1. Re:DOSbox by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      You mean FreeDOS. The equivalent of DOSbox is Wine.

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    2. Re:DOSbox by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      I meant DOSbox, in the way that it would be used. I'm sure ReactOS would be run in a VM and not as a primary OS, as a method to run obscure third party apps that don't run well or at all on the primary OS. This is how people currently use DOSbox.

    3. Re:DOSbox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The equivalent of DOSbox is Wine.

      That's simply false.
      DOSbox is an emulator: a specialized VM that emulates x86 hardware and peripherals, combined with a free DOS that runs on it.
      Wine is not an emulator (that's what the backronym means). Its a set of libraries that form an adaptor, connecting to the Linux APIs and providing Windows APIs. Plus some stuff like binary loaders and filesystems.

  37. Re:It's tainted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way you determine that is was copied.

    Microsoft source code has been shared with organizations and governments over the years and portions publically leaked on multiple occasions.

    Also, since Microsoft doesn't release it's code, there is no way to copy it. If the APIs are the same, of course. They are trying to create software that runs Windows programs that call Windows APIs. They would have to be the same. The law suit would fall into the same category as SCO vs IBM over Unix code in Linux.

    Given cost of a litigation whether a case against you has merit is often besides the point.

  38. Re:Who cares? by snakeplissken · · Score: 1

    to be honest i would suggest GTFO followed by FOAD; people who FOAD and then GTFO well... always remember to double tap!

  39. Anyone verified it on real hardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What generation?

    Last time I tried either the livecd or boot cd on real hardware it didn't boot on either of my modern systems. I managed to get it to install on a *REAL* Pentium, but it would freeze at some point during boot.

    Additionally, having attempted to run it on *REAL* 440FX/BX hardware, it didn't boot on either, as recently as some of the 0.4 daily dev releases. Never had a problem with it in qemu however, but if I'm running qemu I can just as easily run a real copy of windows inside of it.

    Anyone else have similiar experiences?

    1. Re:Anyone verified it on real hardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone else have similiar experiences?

      Anyone other morons had similar experiences?

      TFTFY

    2. Re:Anyone verified it on real hardware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember reading about it not working on 440FX/BX, too.
      I have two problems for running such (very good and old) hardware : physical space means I got rid of or didn't rescue most of it, so it's going to be a lot less common. The other one is in my country the local MAFIAA put a tax on blank CD-R and DVD-R so installing OSes on old computers the easiest way costs money.

    3. Re:Anyone verified it on real hardware? by jeditobe · · Score: 1

      Why not bug-report your problems?

    4. Re:Anyone verified it on real hardware? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If you go to their homepage, they already say that they're in Alpha. They've not even entered Beta. So it's not surprising that you'd have the experience you did.

  40. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This affects everyone because IF and WHEN ReactOS is released as 1.0, No one will need a windows license anymore for "random ancient program X" or "random piece of hardware that requires old version of Windows" anymore for their organization.

    ReactOS has almost reached Windows XP compatibility. Replacing Windows 3.11 is big, Windows 95 is bigger, Windows XP is amazing, and if and when it replaces Windows 7,8,&10, buh-bye Windows for a lot of organizations.

    ReactOS is at 0.4.2 release -- I hope no one you know is using it on a regular basis, and I certainly wouldn't expect you or any one that isn't actively developing it to be running it. It hasn't even made it out of Alpha stage, much less Beta. Slashdot is "News for Nerds," and that's what this is -- and you'd better believe it's huge. An OS that is not only binary compatible with Windows through Wine, but hardware and driver compatible as well is a holy grail for a lot of people. I've worked several places where there was a Windows 95 or earlier PC whose sole job was to run a printer, scanner, and/or other critical system and the machine was disconnected from the network for security reasons (mostly), and it couldn't be set up to work through a VM (at least at the time).

  41. I will go from Win 7 end of support to ReactOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft killed their Windows platform starting with Windows 8. It has been downhill from there. Windows 10 won't be on any of my machines, if I can help it. I would gladly jump to ReactOS.

  42. Wonder how they are doing on donations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do people care enough about this OS to throw donations their way? The download page says they could hire more people if they had funding.

  43. Re:Who cares? by unrtst · · Score: 1

    Do you run Windows or know anyone that does? If so, you should consider this news, ESPECIALLY with all (negative) attention Windows 10 has been getting. There's no better time for something like this which *might* be able to, at a minimum, run in a VM on linux to support those handful of Windows programs you can't live without. Long term, this could be a viable option.

  44. Re:Skyrim video is fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you using PCI passthrough with a VT-d CPU?

  45. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... they don't want to admit that nobody uses or cares about ReactOS...

    There is a possibility that you represent the views and opinions of very, very few. A distinct possibility.
    Another distinct possibility is that your belief that your opinions represent the majority is just a symptom of mental illness.

    tl;dr? No-one cares what you think. Now please vacate "your house" so the cleaning crew can make it possible for bus travellers to safely use the shelter for it's intended purpose. Thanks.

  46. Re:Skyrim video is fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like a software GPU, even if simply for playing games from 1996 to 2002 in 800x600 on a fast dual core or slow quad core PC.
    Even if it ran stuff from Direct3D 3 to 7.0 with a feature level around an nvidia TNT2, and simulated a Voodoo2 for running Glide (and hence OpenGL stuff running on top of Glide if you feel like it. Default OpenGL can be some better featured default Mesa thing, but if everything works correctly you can choose between both).
    This would be so that special "guest additions" stuff wouldn't be needed much (other than a couple drivers ), or having the correct level of 3D features and driver stability wouldn't be needed on the host. Use the host's GPU optionally for scaling the output. Well, so as to get something that always works on games and always works like the NIC or the keyboard do. Even if just a low end set of features and low end 3D performance are the things that always work, as long as everything just works as if you were using a really good PC from year 1999 with damn everything working as it used to.

  47. Re: Microsoft doesn't release its code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually you can get a windows read-only source licence from microsoft. It is available for educational and military institutions.

  48. Re: Microsoft doesn't release its code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google WRK aka windows research kernel

  49. Re:Skyrim video is fake by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    The is shit in crowd need to have their balls stomped on after being set on fire.

    Most OS are designed to run on actual hardware. Virtualization is great for servers where the primary focus is the NIC(s) and not the GPU(s).

    ie : Stop trying to expect great performance when you are trying to fit a square cube through a small round hole.

    Yes ... BUT ONLY for type 2 hypervisors. VirtualBox, VMWare Player/Workstation are both crappy and horrible hypervisors which do not access hardware directly and use buggy drivers on the guest OSes and then use a bugger host wrapper to communicate with the host drivers and OS.

    Type 1 hypervisors such as KVM support gaming with full hardware access.Shoot Linus went crazy and got 7 freaking +90 FPS battle going with 7 AMD video cards with full native performance!

    So yes with a right hypervisor such as Hyper-V Win10 pro anniversary edition, VMWare ESX, and KVM you can use the OS very close to the bare metal as a type 1 hypervisor goes underneath the os at ring -1 inside the CPU.

    KVM is free and so are some tools and Hyper-V is there for cheap if you use Windows Home or free if you have Windows 10 pro to run ReactOS.

  50. typical coding quirks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It makes sense that there is no sound in that video of Skyrim on ReactOS. After all sound drivers are how the Asians spy on our computers. If it was the NIC I would blame the Brits.

  51. The problem with ReactOS by N3wsByt3 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does not lay within it's technical capabilities and prowess, but with it's management skills and ability to create a community.

    For years I've been a fan of ReactOS, actively participating and contributing to the community, albeit not in the form of a coder. Which, in the (still) current ReactOS mentality, is the only thing that counts for the brass, apparently. Testing ReactOS on a dedicated real-life machine (thus, not in VM), debugging, translating, making info-pages on their wikipedia: nothing really matters to the 'elite' of ReactOS. They just consider you some sort of fodder, and the moment you ask for a bit more transparency (on their financial side, for instance), or try to address the complete lack of community involvement, they bork (and bark) at you - and worse. Time and again I've tried to explain this in the past, that a successful project is NOT merely depended on the technical/coder side of things, but also how you establish a community, and try to involve people in your project. There were some half-baked trials at it, but those were mere lipservice, where it was always a consideration of a top-down approach, not a bottom-up way of seeing things.

    Ergo; in the 20 years of their project, they have not succeeded in gathering 1/100th of the community that other projects like Linux have. Again and again I've pointed this out to them, but to no avail. They just refuse to see it, and only want things done strictly to their wishes, with their attitude of finding no other (real) importance to the project than 'code'. Which, granted, is an important part, but which will NOT get you a lively, engaging, and growing community - which is an absolute necessity for any open source project to know success. Eventually, since I kept hitting that nail, they got annoyed (not: they realised the error of their ways) and kicked me out too, the so many-th person who was a tester/sponsor/translator/helper of ReactOS they managed to drive away.

    Whatever; so I went away, which is what they wanted. But what did it help them, then? Nothing at all. They view constructive criticism as a threat, not as an opportunity to better themselves and the project. They don't value anything someone does outside of their little constraints, and outside their preconceived notions as to what they see as important, yet have the mouth full of 'community-involvement'. Whatever you do, how many years you may have sponsored or helped out as a non-coder, you just are not counted as having done anything worthwhile. They have no inkling of an idea how to get a thriving community where you allow the bottom-up approach as well.

    It's a sad thing to say, but the whole thing is run by people with overblown ego's, trying to protect their little turf and egotistical whims, ignoring anyone else, and being autistically elitist in wanting to decide virtually everything to the minute detail. Its only a community-project in name, but not in essence. And that's why, even after 20 years of operation, their project is just a small-scale project who - in comparison with other projects - has almost nothing to show for. They make some small technical progress year after year, that's true, but they fail to realise how much their ego-driven top-down approach has muffled the project to achieve the grandeur and support it could have had, had the top been more prone to some input from the people actually supporting it.

    I've poured hundreds of dollars in it, and spend years on it helping them in my own way, only to kicked out when I pointed out their mistakes and lack of transparency. I still lie, the project, but I can not, in good conscience, support (most of) the people running that program/project. they've done it with me, as they've done it with dozens of people: it's no surprise, thus, that they're still at the small scale they are, without any community to speak off. They can't get any traction, because they kill off everything that would get them traction. There are some good coders under them, to be sure, but almost all of them lack the ma

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  52. ReactOS telegram chat by jeditobe · · Score: 2

    Feel free to join ReactOS telegram chat https://telegram.me/reactos

  53. Whistler/Watercolor = Best Windows Theme Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is what Windows XP should've kept since the very beginning. Fuck Luna and the trend of rounded corners and gradients at that era.

  54. What for? by LienRag · · Score: 1

    Not trolling, genuinely asking - I'm not a programmer, but in the Free Software Movement I've always heard that Windows code was a mess and Windows is an example of awful architectural design. So, what is the point in making a free version of it rather than bettering Wine or PlayOnLinux?