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FBI Says Foreign Hackers Breached State Election Systems (theguardian.com)
The FBI has uncovered evidence that foreign hackers breached two state election databases in recent weeks, and it has warned election officials across the country to some measures to step up the security of their computer systems. The Guardian reports: The FBI warning did not identify the two states targeted by cyber intruders, but Yahoo News said sources familiar with the document said it referred to Arizona and Illinois, whose voter registration systems were penetrated. Citing a state election board official, Yahoo News said the Illinois voter registration system was shut down for 10 days in late July after hackers downloaded personal data on up to 200,000 voters. The Arizona attack was more limited and involved introducing malicious software into the voter registration system, Yahoo News quoted a state official as saying. No data was removed in that attack, the official said. US intelligence officials have become increasingly worried that hackers sponsored by Russia or other countries may attempt to disrupt the November presidential election.
I’ve arranged with my executor to be buried in Chicago. Because when I die, I want to still remain active politically.
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Please stop this nonsense and autoregister everyone who is allowed to vote.
You think Illinois or Arizona are close states?
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These are election databases that were breached, not voting machines. And nowhere is Clinton implicated in that article, in fact the DNC is mentioned as victims of Russian hacking.
But hey, feel free to fling unsubstantiated rumor around.
Removing voter registration prevents some attacks, but it makes others much easier.
Arizona certainly is
http://tucson.com/news/local/new-poll-has-trump-clinton-tied-in-arizona/article_01a67ecc-6e07-11e6-a2c4-6b0510540d4c.html
Its the best new prospect for real computer contract work in Russia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Estonia, etc. in years!
The FBI has uncovered evidence that foreign hackers breached two state election databases in recent weeks, and it has warned election officials across the country to some measures to step up the security of their computer systems.
The FBI later specified to not step it up so much that they cannot break in if need be.
No one actually has to "hack" anything -- just get the thought out there. No matter who wins, stories like this will be cited by the losing side as "proof" the election was "rigged" or "hacked", and that the winner didn't win legitimately. I can think of few things more damaging to the democratic institution.
See also:
A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories
We use these things called paper ballots.
So does Oregon.
We all vote by mail, so hack all you want.
We can always rerun the paper ballots again.
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200,000 voters how meany are dead? but still are on the rolls?
Unsubstantiated rumors like the ruskies having anything to do with it?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Voting is no longer safe, we are obviously going to have to suspend elections until we are 100% sure the computers are trustworthy!
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
So what do we do if 5 states vote 100% for Trump according to the official election results. Not entirely impossible because that would be like Crimea. Not even Trump supporters would believe it, but no "proof" of hacking.
That is somewhat surprising. Being one of those far north states that is very blue I just figured that Arizona was only slightly less red than Texas since that is how they are often represented.
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A Better Defense.
1. Take the fucking registration systems OFF the internet.
You'd think the State IT departments never heard of something called the Intranet.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Better be careful there or I'll call daddy. I do NOT like grits.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
voting machines back in 2004.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
You're gonna have to carry it to your pollng place then .
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Call me a paranoid conspiracy theorist but wouldn't this be more likely to be at least sponsored domestically?
Why does ANY of this information need to be on networks with Internet access?
I'm betting the real reason is so that both parties can more easily harvest that data for electoral gain. Public Servants, my copious backside.
You can either mail it in or bring it to a polling station.
I was at first surprised to see Arizona mentioned because our ballot system uses those forms where you use a marker to draw a line to connect your choice. The scanners aren't internet connected and just show a tally that gets reported, with write in candidates being manually counted where indicated.
That said, it somewhat makes sense that no actual damage was done in the Arizona case, though I honestly have no idea how registration data is stored as it is possible to register to vote online at the service Arizona website used by the DMV.
"... And we predict Arizona presidential voters have picked... Vladimir Putin? Karl, who were you working for this time?"
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
Defense: 1) get rid of padlock on bicycles so anyone can take them.
1) Get rid of registration and let everyone vote.
Yeah. Right. That will help remove fraud from the election process.
I used to subscribe to comp.risk (usenet), article after article was about the vulnerability of electronic voting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
It's real situation that is only going to get worse.
You'll have to take it to the polling station if you waited too long to mail it in.
Dude, take off your orange foil hat
Table-ized A.I.
Obviously vulnerable to database stuffing. e.g. All registered Ds get 10 ballots.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
There was a GNU project to create free software for online voting. In 2002, Jason Kitcat the project coordinator abandoned development, pointing to this quote from Bruce Schneier: "a secure Internet voting system is theoretically possible, but it would be the first secure networked application ever created in the history of computers."
I don't see anything having changed in the intervening fourteen years, other than perhaps attackers getting more sophisticated. We may not have internet voting, but the idea that voting machines or those used in the tabulation of votes are connected to the internet is madness.
As far as I can tell, Arizona's reputation is almost entirely due to this asshat.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
It's Arizona.
Much more likely R's get 10 votes in Joe Arpaio country.
Even if he is in prison
The election is tomorrow. It's doubtful you can mail a ballot today and get it in on time.
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And that AC has...
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Well that and the fact that Arizona grew tired of the constant stream of illegal immigrants robbing, raping and killing their constituents. In an obviously misguided attempt to try to enforce immigration laws that our faithful supreme federal government would not they passed their own laws that would allow their local police departments to help control immigration.
The Federal Government sued them and won the right to go on not enforcing federal immigration laws which are currently on the books, thereby rendering Arizona helpless to defend its own borders. If that makes any damn sense at all...
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
So anyone who believes ANYTHING the FBI says, at this point in time especially, is a complete moron. Instead, let's apply the "FBI Says" headline filter to the text, and observe the results.
FBI Lackeys Breached State Election Systems. Blames Foreign Hackers
Now, that's much more believable, right? Sorry FBI, you have absolutely ZERO credibility. Anyone with more than a few functional neurons KNOWS that the likelihood of anything you say being an outright fabrication or lie approaches 100%.
And you don't get to fill out that form (or it isn't counted if you mailed it) if your voter registration has been removed from the database. Or altered so your address/birth date/whatever are wrong.
So you breach the voter registration database, and remove/alter registrations before election day.
And it's not like that caused problems....oh wait...http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-04-25/poll-worker-voters-given-wrong-ballots-in-arizona-primary
So you send ballots to everyone, even those who have no desire to vote, and have not bothered to study any of the issues at all because of that. Why should they be voting if they really care so little about the process?
Surprisingly, that's exactly how things work in some democracies, specially in direct democracies where population is always voting on everything (e.g.: Switzerland).
People un-interested in voting generally throw away the ballot.
(Though probably there are few trying to find way around the - relatively simple - voter identification, and try to cast illegally an extra vote)
But such widespread diffusion of ballots is necessary in a country which votes every couple of months instead of every couple of year.
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It works fine elsewhere. Have a big list of citizens. If you're a citizen, you can go in to vote. If you try to vote an are not, you get prosecuted.
Non citizens have absolutely zero incentive to vote. Why bother taking the risk? This is why the data shows it almost never happens.
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That doesn't stop people from deploying it in real life: https://media.ccc.de/v/31c3_-_... actually very interesting to see what people do/try to do.
New things are always on the horizon
If you're a citizen, you can go in to vote.
Go in where? I get my ballots by mail.
Non citizens have absolutely zero incentive to vote.
Really? "If I vote for someone who promises to give me free stuff, I might get free stuff." Or "if I vote against someone who wants to enforce the laws that would deport me, maybe I won't be deported." Doesn't sound like zero incentive to me.
Why bother taking the risk?
With half the people in the country denying that it does or could take place, the risk is minimal. And when the person you helped elect takes charge. the risk goes away completely.
This is why the data shows it almost never happens.
Except in Chicago where it is a running joke. And of course, few waste time collecting data on something that they actively deny ever happens.
I didn't say anything about voting machines. A really good way to rid elections is to know who all the voters are and lots of info about them, then to vote as a lot of them...
Or if you think about it, if you have access to voting system why not insert thousands of new voters so there's no possible conflict with real voters?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
So everybody registers at 9 friends houses as well as their own.
They figured out how to steal elections with paper ballots and boxes centuries ago. It's so easy, even a democrat can do it.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
If you think I am a Trump supporter or a racist you obviously didn't read my post history, but that's not really a concern.
That you would use those terms with such abandon is telling. It is really indicative of the level of intelligence involved in the mud-slinging meta attacks that the younger generation tries to pass off as intellectual discourse (not to be left out, there are some older generation people that have learned to do this. Its even more pathetic when they do it as they should have learned better by now.) Namely, just call someone a racist and associate them with a public figure that is held in contempt by the majority of people in the particular forum you are speaking in and you don't even have to have a cogent argument. Which is for the best I guess, because I have a hard time believing that someone who resorts to this kind of behavior can get past their own stunted emotional responses to rationally consider their own opinions, much less those of someone else.
I implore you, learn to focus on the issues at hand instead of carrying around the equivalent of a sharpened stick to poke people with. You might learn that what you accuse people of, and are convinced they are a party to, is so far from the truth that you would be utterly embarrassed that you had made that accusation when you learn the facts.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
If you're a citizen, you can go in to vote.
Go in where? I get my ballots by mail.
So does my wife. She shouldn't need to register to do so.
Non citizens have absolutely zero incentive to vote.
Really? "If I vote for someone who promises to give me free stuff, I might get free stuff." Or "if I vote against someone who wants to enforce the laws that would deport me, maybe I won't be deported." Doesn't sound like zero incentive to me.
As a non citizen (of the US) I've not noticed anyone offering me such a reward for voting illegally in a US election.
Why bother taking the risk?
With half the people in the country denying that it does or could take place, the risk is minimal. And when the person you helped elect takes charge. the risk goes away completely.
This is why the data shows it almost never happens.
Except in Chicago where it is a running joke. And of course, few waste time collecting data on something that they actively deny ever happens.
That case is the corruption of the voting system by the administrators of the voting system, not the voters.
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So does my wife. She shouldn't need to register to do so.
Why not? Why should she be mailed a ballot if she's just going to throw it away? If she's not interested enough in voting to register, why bother? Why should YOU even get close to a ballot that you can simply fill out and send in on her behalf when she isn't interested enough to even register?
As a non citizen (of the US) I've not noticed anyone offering me such a reward for voting illegally in a US election.
Oh, please. People don't need someone to walk up to them with a gilt-edged invitation to know that illegal voting can be beneficial to them. You think illegal aliens need someone to tell them that it would be in their best interests were a politician who will not enforce immigration law be elected to the highest office in the land? (As if local political activists aren't already telling them that, too.)
That case is the corruption of the voting system by the administrators of the voting system, not the voters.
Who do you think walks in the door asking for ballot for a dead person, or is bused around the city to different voting places so they can vote? The voter. The election officials turn a blind eye, and then try denying that there is any fraud, but there are people casting those ballots.
You do not eliminate registration, you allow on site registration on the day of the vote. You are not meant to be so fussed about preventing people from voting more than once, so much as being able to prosecute and penalise them quite severely after the event. So if there is real concern, simply take a photo at the polling station when they check off their name. The whole idea is to get as many eligible people to vote as possible and if not enough do, make it compulsory so they learn at least one of their responsibilities as a citizen of a democratic state, don't vote and you betray your citizenship. Corrupt that democracy and you should be charged with treason and suffer the appropriate penalties.
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It works fine elsewhere. Have a big list of citizens. If you're a citizen, you can go in to vote. If you try to vote an are not, you get prosecuted.
Non citizens have absolutely zero incentive to vote. Why bother taking the risk? This is why the data shows it almost never happens.
Mmhmm. If you're going to dial back standards to that level, just have a fucking online poll. It'll be about as secure.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Because we're not living under the illusion that the sheeple have any actual power or even independent thought.
It works fine elsewhere. Have a big list of citizens. If you're a citizen, you can go in to vote. If you try to vote an are not, you get prosecuted.
Non citizens have absolutely zero incentive to vote. Why bother taking the risk? This is why the data shows it almost never happens.
Mmhmm. If you're going to dial back standards to that level, just have a fucking online poll. It'll be about as secure.
Because online voting is horribly insecure.
Paper voting is effective and reasonably secure as long as you take measures to make it so.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
Where exactly is that "everywhere else"?
Most places outside of US either have voter registration, or they require you to show ID to vote. Sometimes both.
Way too funny! I just deconstructed your completely fraudulent method of argumentation and accusation, and what do you do? You double down and do it again, this time with gusto! Sure you turned it on its head by grouping yourself with "respectable human beings/people" instead of associating me with someone you think is deserving of ridicule, but its the same thing, bro.
Based on what you have written I am convinced that you need some serious mental health attention. "If you don't like the company you keep..." is a prime example. I made zero reference to the company I keep and my feelings about them. You invented that from your own bias, hatred and awkwardly misplaced self righteousness. It looks like you are so hungry to have someone to hate that you have no problem adding content from your own poisoned internal dialogue to what people actually say. That is a dangerous place to come from. To others it is indistinguishable from insanity.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.