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FBI Says Foreign Hackers Breached State Election Systems (theguardian.com)

The FBI has uncovered evidence that foreign hackers breached two state election databases in recent weeks, and it has warned election officials across the country to some measures to step up the security of their computer systems. The Guardian reports: The FBI warning did not identify the two states targeted by cyber intruders, but Yahoo News said sources familiar with the document said it referred to Arizona and Illinois, whose voter registration systems were penetrated. Citing a state election board official, Yahoo News said the Illinois voter registration system was shut down for 10 days in late July after hackers downloaded personal data on up to 200,000 voters. The Arizona attack was more limited and involved introducing malicious software into the voter registration system, Yahoo News quoted a state official as saying. No data was removed in that attack, the official said. US intelligence officials have become increasingly worried that hackers sponsored by Russia or other countries may attempt to disrupt the November presidential election.

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  1. Illinois you say by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Funny
    So it sounds like things won't change much in Illinois. I believe the saying goes:

    I’ve arranged with my executor to be buried in Chicago. Because when I die, I want to still remain active politically.

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  2. Re:A effective attack and defense by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Removing voter registration prevents some attacks, but it makes others much easier.

  3. Re:A effective attack and defense by climb_no_fear · · Score: 2

    Arizona certainly is

    http://tucson.com/news/local/new-poll-has-trump-clinton-tied-in-arizona/article_01a67ecc-6e07-11e6-a2c4-6b0510540d4c.html

  4. No...just, no. by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No one actually has to "hack" anything -- just get the thought out there. No matter who wins, stories like this will be cited by the losing side as "proof" the election was "rigged" or "hacked", and that the winner didn't win legitimately. I can think of few things more damaging to the democratic institution.

    See also:

    A Powerful Russian Weapon: The Spread of False Stories

    1. Re:No...just, no. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Informative

      No one actually has to "hack" anything -- just get the thought out there. No matter who wins, stories like this will be cited by the losing side as "proof" the election was "rigged" or "hacked", and that the winner didn't win legitimately.

      One side is already making this argument, and is recruiting an army of armed "observers" to stand around polling places and act menacing.

      http://www.washingtontimes.com...

      http://www.vanityfair.com/news...

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    2. Re:No...just, no. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Citation required. No, neither of your links talks about armed observers, and nothing about acting "menacing".

      No offense, but when you've promoted "Second Amendment solutions" to prevent a president from appointing judges, and you're promoting a civilian "Deportation Force", and you're ginning up the notion that if you lose the election, it's because it was "rigged", what the fuck do you think he's talking about? You can't be that stupid.

      And you'll have to explain why asking people to keep an eye on the process is worse than the New Black Panther party

      The New Black Panther party was two guys standing outside of a Philadelphia polling place. And they were not responding to a public call for a show of force by candidate Barack Obama. So, you dumb fuck, the "worse" part is that it's Donald Fucking Trump who's the one asking for thugs to stand in front of polling places.

      If no local fraud could swing the results of a national election, then what all the crying about the state of Florida results when Bush was elected over Gore?

      Jesus wept. It wasn't "local fraud" that caused 2000 to be seen as a crooked election. It was the fact that it was decided by the Supreme Court along partisan lines.

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  5. Washington State uses this fancy new method by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We use these things called paper ballots.

    So does Oregon.

    We all vote by mail, so hack all you want.

    We can always rerun the paper ballots again.

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    1. Re:Washington State uses this fancy new method by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      Canada uses paper ballots too, filled out in pencil in the voting booth, and everyone in the entire country is automatically registered to vote.

      Works fine.

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    2. Re:Washington State uses this fancy new method by DaHat · · Score: 2

      Similarly, we've already had incidents in Oregon where churches and unions asked their members to bring in their ballots so they could help fill them out. While that's not fraud exactly, there is certainly enough social pressure that one can imagine people voting for what the group wants even if it doesn't match their actual preferences.

      That's just a larger scale version of what I imagine happens in many homes. In my own, my wife is rarely inclined to vote, so I could easily just cast her ballot with my choices and no one would know, just as I could stand over her and demand she vote the way I want.

      Have a few kids off at college who didn't set up mail forwarding? How likely is it that anyone would know that their very political parent opted not to manually forward the ballots, but instead fill them out and send them back in.

      There are laughable security measures in place to prevent this sort of thing, and basically zero way to detect it... which of course means it never ever happens.

  6. Re:The fix is in by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unsubstantiated rumors like the ruskies having anything to do with it?

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  7. THATS IT! by WolfgangVL · · Score: 2

    Voting is no longer safe, we are obviously going to have to suspend elections until we are 100% sure the computers are trustworthy!

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  8. Re:A effective attack and defense by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A Better Defense.

    1. Take the fucking registration systems OFF the internet.

    You'd think the State IT departments never heard of something called the Intranet.

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  9. Re:The fix is in by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Better be careful there or I'll call daddy. I do NOT like grits.

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  10. Re: Just stop this nonsense by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you register to vote you also get responsibilities like jury duty and selective service.

    Selective service is not tied to your voter registration in any way.

    In some states, there is a connection with drivers license, and with student loans, but in no US state is there any connection between registering to vote and selective service.

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  11. Re:So if it happens when then? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    The same thing as when 105% of voters voted for Obama. Nothing.

  12. Re:A effective attack and defense by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Funny
    Attack: 1) hacker uses a hacksaw to remove padlock on bicycle 2) hacker takes bicycle

    Defense: 1) get rid of padlock on bicycles so anyone can take them.

    1) Get rid of registration and let everyone vote.

    Yeah. Right. That will help remove fraud from the election process.

  13. Re:Just stop this nonsense by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Informative

    Please stop this nonsense and autoregister everyone who is allowed to vote.

    So you send ballots to everyone, even those who have no desire to vote, and have not bothered to study any of the issues at all because of that. Why should they be voting if they really care so little about the process?

    Voter registration is so easy that it is a barrier only to those who really don't care to vote, and I think that not handing them a ballot is a good answer to the question "why should I register to vote when I don't want to?"

  14. Doesn't take Foreign Hackers to change elections by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

    I used to subscribe to comp.risk (usenet), article after article was about the vulnerability of electronic voting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    It's real situation that is only going to get worse.

  15. Re:A effective attack and defense by Albanach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There was a GNU project to create free software for online voting. In 2002, Jason Kitcat the project coordinator abandoned development, pointing to this quote from Bruce Schneier: "a secure Internet voting system is theoretically possible, but it would be the first secure networked application ever created in the history of computers."

    I don't see anything having changed in the intervening fourteen years, other than perhaps attackers getting more sophisticated. We may not have internet voting, but the idea that voting machines or those used in the tabulation of votes are connected to the internet is madness.

  16. Re: A effective attack and defense by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 2

    It's Arizona.
    Much more likely R's get 10 votes in Joe Arpaio country.
    Even if he is in prison

  17. Stupid subject line is stupid by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 3, Interesting

    FBI Says Foreign Hackers Breached State Election Systems

    So anyone who believes ANYTHING the FBI says, at this point in time especially, is a complete moron. Instead, let's apply the "FBI Says" headline filter to the text, and observe the results.

    FBI Lackeys Breached State Election Systems. Blames Foreign Hackers

    Now, that's much more believable, right? Sorry FBI, you have absolutely ZERO credibility. Anyone with more than a few functional neurons KNOWS that the likelihood of anything you say being an outright fabrication or lie approaches 100%.

  18. Re:Just stop this nonsense by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    So you send ballots to everyone, even those who have no desire to vote, and have not bothered to study any of the issues at all because of that.

    It's cute you this makes them less informed than the average voter. 'Cause the people who "care so much" tend to vote for the first candidate on the ballot. http://insight.kellogg.northwe...

  19. Re:Vote On Paper by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

    Voting on paper doesn't help when your registration was deleted from the database.

  20. Re:A effective attack and defense by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you're a citizen, you can go in to vote.

    Go in where? I get my ballots by mail.

    Non citizens have absolutely zero incentive to vote.

    Really? "If I vote for someone who promises to give me free stuff, I might get free stuff." Or "if I vote against someone who wants to enforce the laws that would deport me, maybe I won't be deported." Doesn't sound like zero incentive to me.

    Why bother taking the risk?

    With half the people in the country denying that it does or could take place, the risk is minimal. And when the person you helped elect takes charge. the risk goes away completely.

    This is why the data shows it almost never happens.

    Except in Chicago where it is a running joke. And of course, few waste time collecting data on something that they actively deny ever happens.

  21. Re:Just stop this nonsense by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    They only want citizens to vote, and only once each. Fascists.

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  22. Re:found the trump klansman. by Dread_ed · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you think I am a Trump supporter or a racist you obviously didn't read my post history, but that's not really a concern.

    That you would use those terms with such abandon is telling. It is really indicative of the level of intelligence involved in the mud-slinging meta attacks that the younger generation tries to pass off as intellectual discourse (not to be left out, there are some older generation people that have learned to do this. Its even more pathetic when they do it as they should have learned better by now.) Namely, just call someone a racist and associate them with a public figure that is held in contempt by the majority of people in the particular forum you are speaking in and you don't even have to have a cogent argument. Which is for the best I guess, because I have a hard time believing that someone who resorts to this kind of behavior can get past their own stunted emotional responses to rationally consider their own opinions, much less those of someone else.

    I implore you, learn to focus on the issues at hand instead of carrying around the equivalent of a sharpened stick to poke people with. You might learn that what you accuse people of, and are convinced they are a party to, is so far from the truth that you would be utterly embarrassed that you had made that accusation when you learn the facts.

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  23. Re:A effective attack and defense by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

    So does my wife. She shouldn't need to register to do so.

    Why not? Why should she be mailed a ballot if she's just going to throw it away? If she's not interested enough in voting to register, why bother? Why should YOU even get close to a ballot that you can simply fill out and send in on her behalf when she isn't interested enough to even register?

    As a non citizen (of the US) I've not noticed anyone offering me such a reward for voting illegally in a US election.

    Oh, please. People don't need someone to walk up to them with a gilt-edged invitation to know that illegal voting can be beneficial to them. You think illegal aliens need someone to tell them that it would be in their best interests were a politician who will not enforce immigration law be elected to the highest office in the land? (As if local political activists aren't already telling them that, too.)

    That case is the corruption of the voting system by the administrators of the voting system, not the voters.

    Who do you think walks in the door asking for ballot for a dead person, or is bused around the city to different voting places so they can vote? The voter. The election officials turn a blind eye, and then try denying that there is any fraud, but there are people casting those ballots.