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Senate Committee Expected To OK Autonomous Car Bills in Michigan (detroitnews.com)
Michael Wayland, and Melissa Burden, reporting for The Detroit News: Michigan legislators could vote as early as next week on sweeping autonomous vehicle bills that would allow self-driving cars on any Michigan road without a human driver behind the wheel. The Senate's Economic Development and International Investment Committee is holding a public hearing on the bills at 10 a.m. Wednesday at Nexteer Automotive, 3900 E. Holland, in Buena Vista Township in Saginaw County. The seven-member committee is expected to send the bills to the Senate floor for a vote as early as Tuesday. If approved, the bills would need approval of the House before heading to Gov. Rick Snyder's desk. "We're very, very sure that this is going to move out of committee tomorrow," Sen. Mike Kowall, R-White Lake Township, who introduced the legislation, told The Detroit News on Tuesday. "We've aired out just about everything over the sun."
The laws governing something are completed before we've even managed to invent it.
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
What if I don't have a car, are they still going to send me a bill? That doesn't seem fair.
Can't wait to see these things navigate black ice.
If there is no driver, who is liable? The folks who built the car? The folks who wrote the software? The folks who certified the software? The poor schmuck in the passenger seat(s)? Hopefully these kinds of bills clarify this, rather than letting the courts have a field day for the next 2-10 years.
Michigan is No Fault, so it's nobody's fault.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
Leave it to a republican to even fuck up such an old ass saying.
Perhaps the sun is underground where he is.
Great. But we still can't buy a car without involving a greedy pointless middleman.
So we're introducing bills that allow driver-less cars but never mandated that all cars come equipped with temperature sensing mechanisms for icy conditions, night vision cameras, etc.? Call me stupid, crazy, etc. but something seems a little...off / ironic...with how this whole autonomous car bullshit is evolving.
Why bring a product to market that you can't sell because it's illegal? First you have to buy the laws you need. Worry about the product later. I doubt it's coincidence this is in Michigan.
The vote is done by autonomous voting machines.
Michigan lawmakers still think their state is relevant in the high-tech auto industry.
Self-driving cars are still vaporware. If the idiots in Detroit put cars on the road that are not capable of perceiving ALL road variables, and thus cause deaths, the legislators who pass this bill; the Governor, and all senior automotive execs should be help *criminally* responsible.
in a criminal case I don't think no Fault will cut it. And do want to be in that small town jail with the cop who just lost his kids in that school bus crash? When that auto drive truck just plowed in to it?
criminal cases don't have EULA's or NDA's to block from getting out. And I want a hard ass Judge like the one from My Cousin Vinny to hold people in contempt of court for trying to pull the EULA's, or NDA's BS to get out of giving out logs / source code. Just wait for an deadly accident and a criminal case to be opened.
Can we sue the politicians who still allow combustion engines to pollute our air and kill people? I wish we could.
Except that self-driving cars have been around for several years.
Not on public roads in many places. Until recently it would have been illegal to use a self driving car on a public road in my state.
They certainly aren't perfect, but they already have a track record better than human drivers (which is not a difficult criteria).
That is debatable. A) The data comes largely from private sources with a vested interest in positive results and B) since the vast majority of "self driving" cars still have a person sitting at the wheel who is actually paying attention (because it is their job) it is unclear what the source of their advantage in safety is if any. While I would agree with the assertion that this technology seems very likely to result in safer road in time, it isn't in the hands of the general public in any substantial way at this time and so conclusions are difficult to draw.
They are ready to replace human drivers on public roads for many tasks, including routine driving on known routes.
Umm, no. No they are not. Not at the time I am writing this and probably not for at minimum another 5-10 years under the most optimistic assumptions. I look forward to the day when that is true but it is not true in 2016.
Will SDCs be in accidents and even kill some people? Very likely
"Very likely"? Try absolutely certain to kill some people. Rest assured that developing this technology will come at the cost of some lives like most revolutions in transportation technology. There will be some failure modes we will only learn about from people being hurt/killed. The hope is that the many will benefit from the sacrifice of the few.
Would even more people die if the same cars had human drivers? Even more likely.
To be determined. That is however hopefully the end game. Going to be a bumpy road getting there though.
Now the people in Flint can have bottled water sent to their door by a driverless vehicle. How about cleaning up the plumbing in Flint? Maybe we need a plumberless plumber to do the work.
2016 update on Google Self driving cars. A much watch video if you are interested in this stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj-rK8V-rik
Michigan being protectionist in favor of old established companies?
Go figure. What I don't really get is why Ford, GM and FCA aren't making a bigger stink about getting rid of the dealer networks. I realize there is a lot of short term pain for them to do that but the dealers really provide them no benefit at all. In fact they really hurt their business. The sell marginally less cars because of the middleman markup, nobody trusts the dealers, the dealers capture a ton of repair business, etc. I don't get why they aren't maneuvering to buy out or otherwise get rid of their dealer networks. It's clearly in their financial interest to do so.
This will change once the sales tax folks start noticing how many of us are hopping over to Ohio or Indiana to buy Tesla's direct.
Maybe. I don't think it will change in Michigan unless the Big 3 get behind the change or if state laws regarding mandatory dealer networks are ruled unconstitutional somehow.
With the money Big Corp has to throw at a lawsuit? Nah, it'll be the passenger's fault, for being stupid enough to ride in one.
Do they have to certify the auto driving system? What is the criteria? Can I just slap in my own homemade system in an existing car like George Hotz and just unleash it on the streets?
Twinstiq, game news
In what way is this different from you just slapping in your own braking system?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
In that you need to meet a spec to be "street legal"
Right. We've got laws to handle replacing the braking system, and they can be adapted to the auto driving system.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes