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Clinton's First Email Server Was a Power Mac Tower (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader shares with us an excerpt from a report via Ars Technica: As she was being confirmed as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton contacted Colin Powell to ask him about his use of a Blackberry while in the same role. According to a Federal Bureau of Investigations memorandum published today (PDF), Powell warned Clinton that if it became public that she was using a Blackberry to "do business," her e-mails would be treated as "official" record and be subject to the law. "Be very careful," Powell said according to the FBI. "I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data." Perhaps Clinton's troubles began when she switched from a Blackberry-hosted e-mail account to an account on her Clintonemail.com domain -- a domain hosted on an Apple Power Mac "G4 or G5" tower running in the Clintons' Chappaqua, New York residence. The switch to the Power Mac as a server occurred the same month she exchanged messages with Powell. The Power Mac, originally purchased in 2007 by former President Clinton's aide Justin Cooper, had acted as the server for presidentclinton.com and wjcoffice.com. Cooper managed most of the technology support for Bill Clinton and took charge of setting up Hillary Clinton's new personal mail system on the Power Mac, which sat alongside a firewall and network switching hardware in the basement of the Clintons' home. But the Power Mac was having difficulty handling the additional load created by Blackberry usage from Secretary Clinton and her staff, so a decision was made quickly to upgrade the server hardware. Secretary Clinton's deputy chief of staff at the State Department, Huma Abedin, connected Cooper with Brian Pagliano, who had worked in IT for the secretary's 2008 presidential campaign. Cooper inquired with Pagliano about getting some of the campaign's computer hardware as a replacement for the Power Mac, and Pagliano was in the process of selling the equipment off.
Why isn't she in jail???
I could see being confused about the difference between a G3 and G4 tower if you're colorblind, but a G5? I mean, it was either grey plastic or it looked like a cheese grater....
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"But the Power Mac was having difficulty handling the additional load created by Blackberry usage from Secretary Clinton and her staff..."
Seriously?
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
She's got a couple of hundred million in the bank and she's scrimping on the hardware? Incredible.
I've got one right here. Found it in a dumpster. It wont start but the power supply smells when I connect it to the mains. I wonder if it has Clinton emails on it?
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But wait... We haven't finished with Benghazi... Benghazi.. . Benghazi... Benghazi
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Bill was also using it to watch...videos.
Are you saying it couldn't handle Bubba's load? What, did they name the server "Monica"?
monica.clintonmail.com
"I'm sorry about your lack of e-mail communication with Bill, Mrs. Clinton. It seems monica went down again. We're working on it."
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Compared to what non-spooky-three-letter-acronyms government computer systems are, a G4 is a supercomputer. That's the real news for nerds story. Slashdot is now pro Trump? These Hillary used email stories are getting old...
Difficulty handling the relentless brute force attempts more likely.
The G5's where power hugs and when falling behind X86 badly at the time.
So, it is all a Black man's fault?.. Right...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Finally, news nerds actually care about. Now we can have the argument over whether Hillary Clinton should be barred from office for life for using a Mac or instantly sainted for using a Mac.
Here, I'll start the ball rolling. Ban her from office! Unclean!
The opaqueness and secrecy of Apple was a natural fit for Clinton.
"Gross negligence" is defined as "such a gross want of care...as to justify the presumption of willfulness "
--Black's Law Dictionary 1185 (4th ed.1968), the definitive dictionary for the legal profession;
"Whoever, being entrusted with...any document...relating to the national defense...through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody...shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."
--18 U.S.C. 793(f);
"Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information...110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification...To be clear , this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. "
--James Comey ( transcript source: FBI National Press Office, "Statement by FBI Director James B. Comey on the Investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s Use of a Personal E-Mail System",July 5, 2016 )
The FBI just released its notes from the meeting with Hillary Clinton regarding the email server.
Hillary Clinton used her mobile phone on a balcony outside of secured areas to check her email:
Hillary claimed to the FBI she didn't receive training on handling classified information, yet her signature shows otherwise; how is this not a direct lie to the FBI?
Powell said according to the FBI. "I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data."
Because that's why we have laws, so that people can work to avoid following them.
Am I missing something? There's no way that personal server could have been hosting her official email, right? I mean her h.clinton@whitehouse.gov or whatever. It would have been a different email address on her private server. So....who was sending classified emails to a non-official email address? Shouldn't they be in trouble for doing so?
A Commodore 64 would have been enough to handle the blackberry load so you and your up voters can fuck right off.
I've worked as a consultant on various projects for the US Government for about 15 years now. Clinton keeps on running out the red herring that her using a private email server was not illegal. That's 100% true. When I'm working on a government project I'm free to use an external email server to discuss any non-classified information. However, I am not allowed to send any classified material using that server without prior, explicit approval from the security officer for the project (which you're almost never going to get). Sending classified information without that approval is a crime. It's a black and white thing, there's no ambiguity.
This is not something they're shy about telling you either. It's drilled into your head at every opportunity, most agencies require everyone (from the top down) to take online security courses every 6-12 months. Her claiming she wasn't aware of the rules/policies is either bullsh*t or she really is brain damaged.
...In real life the bad guys (gal) can use a Mac.
We all know that journalism is a thing of the past, and this is a perfect example. The official report says NOTHING about a Power Mac. In 2007, Apple wasn't even selling Power Macs. Furthermore, the report says that the server was experiencing connectivity issues with BlackBerries, not that it couldn't handle the load. I see no mention of load issues in the official report.
Yeah, Mac's are shit. Nobody uses them as servers. After paying the inherited 10% Jobs tax, on top of normal x86_64 costs, they are still stupid expensive. You spend $500, the minimum for a Mac-mini, and get a 1.whatever GHz shitbox. I can spend $220, and build a headless 3.3GHz Pentium with 2.133 GHz FSB, and DDR4 RAM, that runs Fedora, CentOS, Windows, etc.
And yes, opening TCP port 25 to your home server can very quickly kill the system. Forget attacks, spam alone will cause millions, if not billions, of attempted email relays.
hmmm.... I have been running my own properly configured home based mail server for years and the load is negligible....
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
What server software was running on the Mac? EIMS? Sendmail?
(I have run EIMS for almost 20 years - too bad the developer decided to go in a different direction.)
and there is constant compliance crap that *everyone* has to do. Loads of web quizzes and regular, mandatory seminars. Can't imagine DOD doesn't have the same sort of compliance stuff.
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The real fear about Trump isn't that he would *be* president, but that he would abuse the *power* of the presidency.
The real fear is that now that we've allowed unchecked expansion of the powers of the presidency for decades, we're worried about it being abused.
The real answer is to use the system of checks and balances to limit the power of the presidency.
Having the obnoxious, hated, vilified Trump in office would in fact, be the greatest incentive for the judiciary and the legislative branches of the government to *do their jobs*. Heck, maybe even the press would finally hold the president accountable for corruption, law breaking, and bad faith!
If you want this country to get better, the best way is to have a president hated so much that we begin to finally curtail executive abuse of power.
Trump 2016
Perhaps she has Alzheimer's, that would be consistent with "I don't remember doing shit" and any judge would allow that as a valid defense.
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Either a) You are an idiot, or b) you're trying very hard to look like one. It's either that or you are HRC.
That's what I find to be the biggest farce - the Big Ebil Russians hacked the DNC email server in a matter of weeks to swing the election to Trump, yet they left Hillary's private email server alone for YEARS. Otherwise, it would mean Hillary was an incompetent fool, and we can't have that...
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/...
Really? Read that, she is either lying or completely incompetent...
"there is constant compliance crap that *all employees* have to do" - FTFY
The rules for government employees and contractors are different from the rules for elected officials and appointees. If an employee sexually harasses someone, there are consequences, including being put into a new job, training, and the threat of firing. If an elected official or appointee sexually harasses someone, they can't be fired because they weren't actually hired. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/local/story/2012/dec/02/sexual-harassment-complaints-against/94163/ - if an elected official harasses someone, there's no real process beyond the victim getting a new job that isn't in proximity to the harasser, getting tired of the process not working and going public, and the harasser hopefully eventually resigning or losing an election.
Employees get their clearance when they're hired, and if they don't get the clearance, they're fired because they can't do the job. Elected and appointed officials get their clearance as part of the job, regardless of whether the investigating agencies would normally have given them a clearance or not. I have no idea whether they have the same rules as we do or not, but you can't generalize from an experience as an employee and assume the same rules apply to elected or appointed officials.
I was in the Army, started in the Infantry and moved to Military Intelligence for a short time. As with all soldiers, I filled out a form and got a "Confidential" clearance when I enlisted. As with all officers, I filled out another form when I was commissioned and got a Secret some months later. And when I moved to MI, I filled out another form for a Top Secret.
At no time was I ever briefed. For my TS, I was already out of the Army by the time it was granted and all I got was a letter in the mail telling me that I was granted one despite my significant foreign contacts (I picked up my wife on an overseas tour). I think there were some nasty notes on the forms I filled out right above the signature block, but I don't remember if I read them.
Now, if the government is willing to be so slack with a peon like me, I'm guessing they'll be just as lazy with the higher ups.
As someone who administered a Blackberry server back when this would have been running I can tell you that BES was an absolute pig. The relentless MAPI requests would slow a server down to a crawl. Why do you thing BES switched to Active Sync? This would be one of the reasons.
A Commodore 64 is one email with a picture attachment from choking and dying. Don't fool yourself.
hmmm.... I have been running my own properly configured home based mail server for years and the load is negligible....
and I'm sure the volume of email you receive at home every day is on par with Clinton's through the State Department (at home). /rolls_eyes
unless your name is Clinton.
Hillary Clinton contacted Colin Powell to ask him about his use of a Blackberry while in the same role. According to a Federal Bureau of Investigations memorandum published today (PDF), Powell warned Clinton that if it became public that she was using a Blackberry to "do business," her e-mails would be treated as "official" record and be subject to the law. "Be very careful," Powell said according to the FBI. "I got around it all by not saying much and not using systems that captured the data."
So Hillary remembers every word of a brief conversation she had with Powell eight years ago, but she can't remember with the "C" in Classified stands for? Sure.
"But the Power Mac was having difficulty handling the additional load created by Blackberry usage from Secretary Clinton and her staff, so a decision was made quickly to upgrade the server hardware. "
Wasn't the official story that Huma was the only member of her staff to have an account on the mail server?
Source: CNN
Then again, who are you going to believe, Powell or Clinton?
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She is in the pocket of Apple, which has a connection to apples, which has a connection to Adam and Eve's sin... I knew it!
So, fuck the country and vote for Trump is the right answer now, right?
"Okay, Trump studied political science and law when?"
Most presidents, including people like Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman studied neither. PolySci is what the worst wonks and politicians study to learn how to manipulate the public. As for law degrees: Lawyers need them, but everybody else, including presidents HIRE lawyers. Incidentally: Richard Nixon studies PolySci and got a law degree.
"He won an election when?"
Every politician has to win a first election sometime. Winning an election gets you into office but is itself not a qualification for anything else. If Trump wins, he will have won the only election he ever needed to win and will meet this criteria. Note: Hillary Clinton never actually had to win an election - the DNC kept a totally "safe" non-competitive senate seat open for JFK Jr and after he died it was handed to Hillary. If they had handed the seat to a cucumber it would have "won" that election. Hillary's "win" was so automatic it was evidence of nothing.
"He held public office where?"
Not a requirement. He is a natural citizen and over the age of 35. As soon as he would be elected he would meet this criteria.
"He held a cabinet post under which president?"
Well, you have just declared that JFK, George Washington, Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, and Barack Obama, among others, were all unqualified.
Hillary, on the other hand, is the least qualified in history. She could not pass the Washington DC bar exam, got kicked off the Watergate committee for hiding documents, had a draft indictment filed against her in the 1990s while First Lady, for DOCUMENT HIDING, Has now been exposed by the FBI for, among other things, hiding documents. She has been referred to the FBI for perjury in her congressional testimony. She's been married to a governor (not a qualification for anything), married to a president (not a qualification for anything), given a senate seat where she wrote not a single law, given the Secretary of State job where she got an ambassador killed, lit the middle east on fire, screwed up relations with Russia, and apparently was selling her services to enrich her family while lying her ass off. Quite the resume'. She's not even qualified to teach pre-schoolers. She is the only candidate I can recall who has ever run for office after having already been declared a serial liar by the FBI, and who we now know escaped prosecution in part by claiming brain damage (read the documents dumped on Friday by the FBI).
It took years in office to turn Nixon into [evil]Nixon.... Hillary is already corrupt-and-evil Nixon. Would YOU elect the Nixon of 1974? That's what Hillary is today - already proven to be completely evil and corrupt WITH PUBLIC AUTHORITY AND POWER. Oh, and the law she broke and which FBI director Comey chose not to prosecute her for, bans a person convicted from ever again holding public office FOR GOOD REASON, because such a person should never again be trusted with the power of the public.
"I don't care if you agree with every spittle that ever emerged from the Donald's mouth, the presidency is NOT an entry-level job."
On the contrary: Obama has proved that it clearly IS an entry-level job that is suitable for any old pot-puffing (read his autobiography), coke-snorting (read his autobiography), community organizer (aka rabble-rouser) whose most basic education credentials are unknown (unlike all other presidents, Obama's are sealed - we have no idea of his classes, professors, grades, or even evidence that he graduated).
Neither Rice nor Powell did "the same thing". They both had private e-mail ACCOUNTS which they used for UNCLASSIFIED e-mails at a time when the State Department did not yet have its own systems for this. By the time Hillary was SecState, the department DID have the proper setup and what Hillary did was contrary to policy.
Neither Rice nor Powell had a secret private server with private administration hidden from oversight by executive branch employees.
Neither Rice nor Powell used their private accounts for classified matters. Hillary DID use hers improperly for classified info.
Neither Rice nor Powell used a server to keep all their government work product (which belongs to the people) out of reach from the congress, the courts, and FOIA requests filed by citizens with the State Department.
Neither Rice nor Powell had people without security clearances go through all their e-mails choosing which to delete, which to copy, etc before then destroying the server and wiping its drives while knowing full-well that the FBI, several courts, and the Congress were all seeking the documents (Hillary's actions would have made Nixon blush)
Yeah, I can believe that. Here's an anecdote to support it
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you Mac fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a Mac (a Mac Pro 12-core w/12 Gigs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this Mac, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Word will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Safari is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 2.4 Ghz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Clinton is a square shooter. Clinton 2016!
I think Hillary was treated fairly by the FBI director. The problem is we should all be treated like this, with due process. Instead the way it works for us normal people is the states attorney charges us will a million trumped up things as a way to get leverage over us to plea bargain.
When one gains access to a head-of-states 'private' communications, one does not waste that opportunity for lulz on 4chan. At least until after they leave office, which is exactly what happened.
Basic horseshit. Even the DOJ that's prosecuting him agrees he had no intent to distribute the images from his cell phone. You know, the same DOJ that was threatening Aaron Schwartz with 35 years in prison for unauthorized network access.
Damn straight it's not a comparable incident - Hillary had thousands and thousands of emails with classified information on them, in an unauthorized, insecure private email server. You're comparing an anthill (sailor) to Mt. McKinley parked on top Mt. Everest (HRC). And also destroyed evidence without authorization, something that Sandy Berger went to prison for. This goes beyond cognitive dissonance to willful dumbfuckery.
You have to either have a powerful level of narcotics in your system, or a powerful level of stupid, to say a sailor should face prosecution for deciding to take pictures on his personal phone, which is not accessible to the entire internet, and hand waive away a private email server, with exponentially more secretive information yet public-facing, with a straight face. Would it make any difference if that sailor said "but but but I also used that phone to dictate mission reports!" - of course not. So how the hell can anyone rationalize another state worker putting far more amounts of far more secretive information at far greater risk?
It's all comparable, because the prosecution is all comparable: mishandling classified information. Just ask Sandy Berger, and any whisteblower persecuted by the Obama administration. Intent does not matter, only the action matters.
Berger wasn't authorized to carry those materials out of the National Archives nor destroy them - and Hillary wasn't authorized to use a private email server for far far FAR more information than Berger was ever accused of removing, nor destroying the evidence (deleting emails).
Willful.
Dumb.
Fuck.
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Eee.
Was she or was she not charged with mishandling classified information? No amount of hand waiving is going to change the fact that Hillary's dumb ass would be in prison if she were anyone other than Hillary.
Hillary had thousands and thousands of emails with classified information on them
You mean 113? Out of tens of thousands?
an unauthorized, insecure private email server.
As opposed to an unauthorized, insecure state department email server?
The private server is a complete red herring, the confidential emails weren't supposed to go over the standard state dept email either. And she was definitely not the only one to have sent or received confidential email on an unauthorized account.
And also destroyed evidence without authorization, something that Sandy Berger went to prison for.
He stuffed the docs into his pants, it's pretty obvious he knew he was violating the law.
Intent does not matter, only the action matters.
Yeah, why let one of the basic factors in criminal law influence your analysis?
You miss the point. Once they have one legitimate charge then they hit you with every other possible charge they can.
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