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Apple Launches the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus; Feature Water-Resistance, Lack Headphone Jack (www.bgr.in)

Apple on Wednesday unveiled its new flagship smartphones: the iPhone 7, and the iPhone 7 Plus. Both the iPhones look similar to the last year's iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, but offer a range of new features. Chief among those features are water and dust resistance, stereo speakers, improved cameras (the iPhone 7 Plus has a pair of 12MP cameras that are able to take SLR-quality images. It offers bokeh capability). And yes, the new iPhones indeed lack the headphone jack. "it's the best iPhone we have ever created," Apple CEO Tim Cook said. The home button is getting taptic feedback, similar to that of the MacBook.

So why is Apple removing the headphone jack? Apple's SVP Phil Schiller said, "courage."The company also announced AirPods wireless earphones. A pair of these will be priced at $169. The iPhones will go on sales starting September 16 in several regions including the United States In places like India, however, it will be available starting October 7.

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  1. DRM ahoy :( by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's hoping the rest of the market doesn't make like apple-obsessed sheep for once and make the 3.5mm headphone jack obsolete.

    1. Re:DRM ahoy :( by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      WTF is "SLR-quality" supposed to mean? (Question being asked by someone who knows what SLR is).

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    2. Re:DRM ahoy :( by Wowsers · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's meaningless marketing. How does anyone think they will ever get the same kind of photograph a 35mm sensor does, as a pin head sensor on a mobile phone has?

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    3. Re:DRM ahoy :( by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Informative

      WTF is "SLR-quality" supposed to mean? (Question being asked by someone who knows what SLR is).

      The actual claim by Apple is that it provides "DSLR-like depth" by adding a "bokeh effect" feature. This is achieved through using a two camera system built-into the phone. There is no claim of SLR Quality. The Slashdot article summary is incorrect in this regard...

    4. Re:DRM ahoy :( by mindwhip · · Score: 3, Informative

      you realise that apple are the sheep with the water resist idea and there are already a number of android phones out there already with water resist? and the others managed to give water resist and keep the headphone jack? and that my 3 year old android phone is just as usable as it was when new?

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    5. Re: DRM ahoy :( by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 5, Informative

      That that is an absolute lie, total BS. A bulky 3.5mm jack is 0.5cc. Assuming the previous life of their 1715mA/3.7V battery was 14 hours, they are now adding another 245mA/3.7V worth of battery to it, to get those 2 additional hours. That translates to an energy density of around 6.4 MJ/L, about three times what the best LiPo batteries can give. Not a chance.

      If it lasts longer, it's not from a bigger battery, it's from more efficient components elsewhere. They're feeding you a line and you're swallowing it.

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    6. Re:DRM ahoy :( by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "DSLR" is marketing. Regardless of the number of pixels (oh, look, shiny!), without the light collection abilities of the large glass which can be put on a DSLR, and the photon collection abilities which come with the larger pixel sensors which DSLRs have, a phone will never come close.

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    7. Re:DRM ahoy :( by Miamicanes · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You can definitely make a tiny sensor array with higher technical resolution than traditional ISO 400 print film grain... maybe even ISO 100. The catch is, you'll have to light up the scene to retina-searing brightness levels like a color movie set from the 1930s, because your effective f-stop will be insanely high and/or your dynamic range will be unacceptably low & have too much random noise.

      Big lenses and/or large-format film/sensors allow you to capture more photons and take pictures with less light.

    8. Re:DRM ahoy :( by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've done under water photography countless times with my Galaxy S5 a couple years back. Yeah, the "water-resistant" feature is the real-deal, and the phone is still working great today.

  2. but the dongle is free by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the most shocking announcement this afternoon. i really thought it would be $29.99

    1. Re:but the dongle is free by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Funny

      I wonder if that's where they keep the fire, like Samsung's adapter.

  3. Because they don't care by crweb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yay, you can no longer listen to headphones at your desk and have your phone charging. Listen all day at the office, phone is dead for the walk home. GREAT Idea.

    1. Re:Because they don't care by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's the stupidest damn thing; should've at least been a splitter adapter.

    2. Re:Because they don't care by PRMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the first year. And then your battery starts losing power and you can't replace it.

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  4. Obligatory by paiute · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's wireless. Less space than Azure. Lame.

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  5. Goodbye Nexus 6P by dstyle5 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "it's the best iPhone we have ever created," Apple CEO Tim Cook said.

    Amazing, I think I will now purchase an Apple iPhone 7 device due to this declaration by none other than the CEO of Apple. I was content with my Nexus 6P, but that has all changed now. Thanks slashdot for letting me know about this statement in particular, time for the trip behind the woodshed 6P.

  6. Re:So much bokeh... by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Funny

    Please. My social media feeds have been filled with out of focus, blurry photos for just as long as social media has been around.

  7. BS on the bokeh by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    iPhone 7 Plus has a pair of 12MP cameras that are able to take SLR-quality images. It offers bokeh capability

    Bokeh is a function of the lens diameter relative to the subject distance (and distance of other objects from the focal plane). For a given scene, cannot be created any other way other than a physically bigger lens. You know the penumbra during an eclipse (the area experiencing a partial eclipse during a solar eclipse)? That corresponds to bokeh. There is nothing you can do on the ground to enlarge this area. It is purely a function of geometry. (Mathematically, it's the point distribution function of the lens.)

    You can fake it in software. I've been saying for over a decade that two small lenses with some lateral separation should allow an algorithm to estimate distance and blur the parts of the picture outside the focal plane appropriately to simulate bokeh. But it's not real bokeh, it's a digital manipulation.

    1. Re:BS on the bokeh by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can fake it in software. I've been saying for over a decade that two small lenses with some lateral separation should allow an algorithm to estimate distance and blur the parts of the picture outside the focal plane appropriately to simulate bokeh. But it's not real bokeh, it's a digital manipulation.

      Not sure I care. Reality is as my eyes see it, either way you're trying to manipulate reality except one limits you to physical effects and the other uses both physical and digital effects. Particularly if you are measuring focused light and simulate the out of focus effect you could have had with a different lens, I think it's more in the direction towards adjusting color/contrast/white balance and not photoshopping in Gollum. I suppose if you're in some kind of nature photography competition or news reporting where accuracy to reality is paramount this might be off limits, but for average people who'll just as easily use snapchat and instagram filters this is about a 1/10 on the photo manipulation scale.

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  8. able to take SLR-quality images by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the iPhone 7 Plus has a pair of 12MP cameras that are able to take SLR-quality images

    Don't lie to me.

    It has a tiny little sensor that assuming has perfect glass is just providing false magnification as the lens is a f/1.8 with a pixel edge size of about 1.2um (assuming the same size sensor as in the Apple iPhone 5S) but the diameter of the airy disk would be 3.7um. So the smallest item resolvable would fill about a 3x3 grid. Granted software can get rid of some of that but it isn't going to magically make it deliver results like a full frame SLR with good lenses.

    While it is probably a better camera than most other cellphones (seriously these cameras are shit) don't say it holds a candle to an older full frame DSLR or even my 40+ year old film SLR that has some really nice lenses with good film.

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  9. Terrible headphones by brantondaveperson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The existing earpods have a habit of falling from my ears - and now they're not even going to be attached to some wires? Great.

  10. Re:Courage, it didn't come, doesn't matter by imgod2u · · Score: 4, Informative

    They include the dongle with the phone...

  11. Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    The phone ships with an adaptor that gives you back the audio jack you could copy from if you wished... no more DRM than before.

    It just ALSO gives you an improved audio path that provides power to headphones.

    What is wrong with having an improved set of choices? More importantly what the FUCK is wrong with people like you who should be embracing technology, being steadfastly against any change?

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    1. Re:Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From my point of view, it's a poor implementation. Essentially most people will now have to carry two items around with them - a phone and a dongle - rather than just the one, or else not be able to hook the phone up to a standard audio system.

      I also wish we'd wait for an agreed standard. Lightning is essentially a Apple-only standard. Lightning headsets will only ever work with Apple devices, we need a good common digital standard.

      What I would do, if I had a million dollars, is produce an iPhone 7 case with the 3.5mm adapter built in. I'd also add USB (with charging available) just for completeness. Everyone buys cases for their phones anyway, and that'd resolve the entire problem so nobody has to carry around multiple adapters.

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    2. Re:Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More importantly what the FUCK is wrong with people like you who should be embracing technology, being steadfastly against any change?

      Not all technology or change is good or desirable.

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    3. Re:Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by iCEBaLM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The phone ships with an adaptor that gives you back the audio jack you could copy from if you wished... no more DRM than before.

      Except apps/the phone could refuse to play back certain "rights managed" media if it detects the adapter, or even worse, a non-beats/apple manufactured headset is connected.

      "Sorry, this media is exclusive to Beats(tm) headphone users only."

    4. Re:Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by squiggleslash · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's doubly true of any non-technical people I know, who all simply use bluetooth for smaller external speakers and just do not connect phones to stereo systems at all.

      I find the non-technical people I know use 3.5mm jacks to hook up their phones to car stereos. They don't like Bluetooth, it's fiddly and awkward and, if it's not your car, means you have to figure out how to pair with that model. 3.5mm "just works".

      If you just keep waiting it could be nothing will ever change. If everyone waits, nothing will ever happen - by Apple doing this perhaps it will drive Android makers to form a standard.

      First off, let's remember we're talking about setting a standard. Android phones already come with a "just works" digital hookup for headphones, and speakers, and 5.1 speakers, and whatever else you want - it's called a USB port.

      There's a difference between Apple going first saying "Let's make a standard" and Apple going first and saying "Here's our proprietary way to do this." It certainly won't drive Android makers to encourage the use of the USB audio, because Apple's showing no signs of being prepared to adopt USB. And without universal adoption, you're just going to end up with a Betamax/VHS set of competing headphones, if Android phone makers went in that direction.

      They won't, of course, they'll just carry on with the 3.5mm jack, for better or worse. I'm not a fan of 3.5mm - especially the hacky version we use today where slight voltage changes are used to signal "Play/pause/hangup/skip next track", and would like to see USB take off as a replacement. But, no, I don't see it taking off if the industry is split.

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    5. Re:Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by serviscope_minor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It just ALSO gives you an improved audio path that provides power to headphones.

      No, the new phone doesn't give you anything improved. The old phones could already do this. The lightning port always did route audio and power.

      What is wrong with having an improved set of choices?

      Nothing. This phone gives you fewer choices. It's exactly the same capability as the previous model with one option removed.

      More importantly what the FUCK is wrong with people like you who should be embracing technology, being steadfastly against any change?

      Um gee, I dunno. Maybe because we're capable of thinking rather than blindly calling all change good?

      The only extra capability you get with the new phone is a marginal improvement in thinness compared to the old one. This is at the expense of heavier use of a less robust connector. Change is only good if it's an improvement.

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    6. Re:Where?? What is wrong with MORE CHOICE by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      USB-C could be a good standard but it was released after Apple had decided on Lightning. USB-C is slightly bigger than Lightning. I also find the setup of USB-C may not be as durable, IMHO.

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  12. Re:Courage, it didn't come, doesn't matter by farble1670 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They include the dongle with the phone...

    That's only a short-term compromise to avoid pissing off the world too much. In the long term headphone makers will start producing Apple-only lightning headphones. Those headphones will have to license Apple since this new interface can negotiate the connection. They will consequently cost more. Moreover, it's a DRM ploy since regulating which devices can connect will also regulate how the media played through that interface can be copied.

  13. Re:Courage? To profit. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So don't buy their headphones if they don't meet your needs? It's not like they're removing Bluetooth or something.

    What is it about Apple making accessories for their products that enrages people? Just don't buy the fucking thing.

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  14. Re:Dumping the Headphone Jack: My Theory by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet, no one else seems to have problems creating a 3.5mm jack, including Apple before today.

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  15. Re:Dumping the Headphone Jack: My Theory by werepants · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The 3.5mm standard may not be established in an ISO document somewhere, but in a practical sense it's as reliable a standard as you're likely to find. I've had lots of problems with Micro-USB, for instance - some cables fit in snugly, some fit loosely, etc. But I've never had a 3.5mm connection fail, and they are so simple and ubiquitous that they have allowed some neat third-party hardware (think Square payment systems). That's not the kind of thing you can roll out without a solid standard in place (either formal or de facto).

    The standard has been just fine for all previous generations of iPhone, and for other Apple hardware as well. This is just a money grab, and it's going to lead to new and needless complexity in one of the very few technology interfaces that had remained pretty foolproof.

  16. Re:Courage, it didn't come, doesn't matter by erice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two things:

    The expensive ass proprietary dongles are free and included with the phone.

    The 1/8" stereo plug is over 50 fucking year old. I'm not sure this is the answer, but it's shitty technology

    And the wheel is over 5000 years old. Do you have a better idea?

    Just because a technology is old, doesn't mean it not still the right solution.

  17. Re:Dumping the Headphone Jack: My Theory by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The result of all this mish-mash was the Apple engineers found designing a (cost-effective) headphone jack that worked reliably with all headphones and headsets one might encounter in the world was simply impossible. You couldn't position the contacts in such a way that they would never short across two rings (some idiot may have placed their rings very badly).

    If they decided the only way around this was to add additional contacts to the jack then I am incredibly disappointed in Apple's "innovation". Not to mention the fact that Sony solved this problem in the early 90s. Heck with one-wire digital signalling you can trivially detect if your own magical approved device is plugged in and change the function of the pins, and currently pretty much every device on the market is compatible with the 4 pin or 5 pin jacks on most mobile phones or media players. Again these have existed since the 90s. Speaking of the 90s do you even recall the 3.5mm Toslink? Yeah standard 3 pins with the ability to send optical digital signals too. I myself used a headphone jack as power output for a small project at university. When the assessor tried to mark me down because some idiot could plug his headphones into it, I plugged mine in to demonstrate a very simple headphone detection routine that was part of the circuit before the power was applied. Bonus marks.

    If Apple did this because they couldn't work around the problem then it's time to let the entire engineering team go. Copying other's hasn't done much for their innovation.

  18. Headphone jack vs waterproofing... BULLSHIT! by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

    Apple is claiming they did it to make the phone waterproof. Apparently, they didn't bother to spend about 12 seconds with Google searching for "ip67 headphone jack", because if they DID, they'd have found countless IP67-rated headphone jacks like this one:

    http://koumay.en.alibaba.com/p...

    For those who don't know, the "7" in "IP67" means "waterproof to a depth of 1 meter for 30 minutes". I didn't have time to search further, but I'd be shocked if there wasn't at least one company that makes IP68 ("waterproof to a depth guaranteed by manufacturer, generally 1-3 meters, for some period of time also guaranteed by the manufacturer"). Note that IP ratings for things like headphone jacks don't guarantee that the jack itself won't end up with gunk in it if you drop it into mud, only that the jack ITSELF won't allow water to pass through to the interior of the phone case.