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Costa Rica Has Gone 76 Straight Days Using 100% Renewable Electricity (vox.com)

Last year, Costa Rica powered itself using only renewable energy for 75 days. It has topped that feat this year. Vox reports: Costa Rica is pulling off a feat most countries just daydream about: For two straight months, the Central American country hasn't burned any fossil fuels to generate electricity. That's right: 100 percent renewable power. This isn't a blip, either. For 300 total days last year and 150 days so far this year, Costa Rica's electricity has come entirely from renewable sources, mostly hydropower and geothermal. Heavy rains have helped four big hydroelectric dams run above their usual capacity, letting the country turn off its diesel generators. Now, there's a huge, huge caveat here: Costa Rica hasn't eschewed all fossil fuels entirely. The country still has more than 1 million cars running on old-fashioned gasoline, which is why imported oil still supplies over half its total energy needs. The country also has cement plants that burn coal.

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  1. So they didn't? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The country also has cement plants that burn coal." So assuming they didn't go offline for 150 days, then they didn't actually go 100% on green energy.

    Why did they lie? Oh I see, 'marketing speech'.

    1. Re:So they didn't? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used 100% renewable energy, except for the parts where I didn't. It makes perfect sense

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    2. Re:So they didn't? by Flavianoep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some people (not you) forget that "energy" is not always synonym with "electricity". So whereas headline is accurate, the whole of the article is not so.

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    3. Re:So they didn't? by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cement production doesn't involve power generation so no electricity is used. Worldwide Cement production uses around 20% of the world energy. You have to heat the mixture (a man made combination of several minerals) to about 2,700 degrees F to get Cement. This tremendous amount of heat (every ounce of mineral has to sustain this temp) requires massive expenditures of energy, sometimes electricity but usually something easy like thermal coal. The resulting klinker is then ball milled into a fine powder and sold as Portland Cement Concrete.

  2. And the crowd goes mild!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The downside to hydropower is that it requires consistent rainfall. Though the dams in Costa Rica are now full, just months ago the country was suffering one of the worst droughts in its history. This forced Costa Rican utility companies to burn fuel to generate power, releasing greenhouse gases and causing rate rises. Even if Costa Rica were able to sustain 100% clean electricity production, the country still relies on petroleum for transportation, and emissions from this sector are the largest hurdle the country faces in reaching its carbon neutrality goal. The environment ministry reports that fuel burned by cars, buses and trains accounted for almost 70% of the country’s carbon emissions in 2014. According to customs there are only 200 or so hybrid cars in Costa Rica to take advantage of the energy produced by renewables on the grid.

    The fact that even a country like Costa Rica, which has made major investments to produce clean energy, still struggles with these obstacles, shows just how difficult it would be for larger, more industrialised nations to follow in its footsteps.

    With a population under 5 million and no major industry, Costa Rica uses much less power than most developed countries, and its geography of tightly packed volcanoes, rivers and mountains is more suited to producing clean power than most."

    sauce: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/30/truth-behind-costa-rica-renewable-energy-reservoirs-climate-change

    1. Re: And the crowd goes mild!!! by Fragnet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When fossil fuels start to run out the price increases. As the price increases alternative energy sources become viable and evil corporations looking to make a profit start to invest in developing them.

      The current model (capitalism) has already solved the problem, therefore.

    2. Re:And the crowd goes mild!!! by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Canary Islands are far ahead of Costa Rica.... They use Solar farms, solar on practically every building, and wind farms...

      http://www.npr.org/sections/pa...

    3. Re: And the crowd goes mild!!! by pastafazou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention the potential of nuclear energy dwarfs the potential of all fossil fuels known to exist...

    4. Re:And the crowd goes mild!!! by cogeek · · Score: 2

      We know how to build wind farms. - Think of the birds!
      We know how to build hydro-electric stations. - Think of the fish!
      We know how to build geo-thermal stations. - Think of the fish!
      We know how to build solar stations. - Think of the birds!
      Each form of renewable energy comes with it's own impact to the environment. As long as that's the case and any environmentalist with a microphone can shut down progress, the US will never be able to cut ties with fossil fuels. The one big advantage fossil fuels have is that they are already entrenched in our daily lives and abundantly available.

    5. Re:And the crowd goes mild!!! by avandesande · · Score: 4, Informative

      Electricity on remote islands is very expensive which makes solar affordable. Most of them use diesel generators, and the cost of shipped diesel is very high.

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    6. Re:And the crowd goes mild!!! by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Base load is a chicken/egg issue. Because we had a lot of thermal power generation that runs best 24/7/365 we've spent years providing incentives for energy use at night despite most industrial and commercial activity happening in daylight.

      If you've got an Aluminium smelter or 24/7 production lines then a lot of base load is ideal, but in a lot of places it does not really matter apart from a little bit needed for lighting and residential use at night.

      There are plenty of storage methods out there, even molten salt with solar thermal, all a bit lossy but all can get the job done at scale. Storage is not really required when you have massive grids, especially east-west grids like the USA and Europe. The wind is going to be blowing somewhere, the sun is shining somewhere, there are huge snow covered mountains feeding hydro and peak consumption is spread out over time so you do not need massive capacity just to cover a couple of hours. Reserve power is a lot less lossy than storage if you have a big grid and not much of a peak.
      A small grid or a north-south grid with a lot happening at the same time is a different story and that's where storing to cover huge peaks ends up being cheaper than a lot of stuff in reserve.

    7. Re: And the crowd goes mild!!! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      In the UK, onshore wind is already significantly cheaper than nuclear. The proposed Hinkley Point C plant will be paid about 30% more than onshore wind for every watt it produces, and that's not even counting the other massive subsidies it will attract.

      Fortunately it's looking like the government might cancel it, partly because the insane cost necessitated Chinese investment.

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  3. Keep in mind by clonehappy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When they trot out these "feel good" stories about renewable energy, that this is a developing nation with an extremely temperate climate. Also remember this is the model for the United States and the rest of the modern first-world/western nations under globalism/leftism: reducing them to third-world status.

    1. Re:Keep in mind by sjames · · Score: 2

      It's hysterical watching people desperately downplaying Costa Rica's accomplishment so their own country doesn't come off looking as much like a dinosaur mired in a tar pit.

  4. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by Flavianoep · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't be so pedantic, "hubris" comes from Ancient Greek, "hybris", therefore it is perfectly acceptable to write it with a y.

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  5. So? by Strider- · · Score: 4, Informative

    With the exception of a few isolated communities (and the occasional voltage support from Burrard Thermal in Vancouver), British Columbia has run on hydro power for decades.

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    1. Re:So? by danbob999 · · Score: 2

      mostly hydro, but thermal is also important (11%):

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  6. Orly? by DougOtto · · Score: 3, Funny

    The country still has more than 1 million cars running on old-fashioned gasoline

    You mean they all just don't swing from vine to vine to get around? Who knew?

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  7. They aren't even wired throughout by mi · · Score: 5, Informative

    In our trip to the country, we stayed in a semi-permanent camp on the Pacific shore, which was not wired. In fact, there was no proper road to it either — the only way to get there was by (small) plane.

    The camp had a generator, of course — a noisy affair, which they fired for a few hours each day to power up/recharge the radio and phones. But, hey, there are still places in the world, where even those evil devices — made from poisonous materials by exploited workers toiling in polluting factories — aren't known...

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  8. Re:Double standard with renewable classification. by danbob999 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, those people in the states are wrong. Hydro is renewable, like it or not. Renewable doesn't mean no impact on the population and ecosystems. All power sources have an impact.

  9. Industrial Capacity of Costa Rica? by Bugler412 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Great that they can exist on renewables like this, mean it. But using an essentially non-industrial country in a temperate climate as an example is statistical bias at best, outright lying at worse. How many aluminum smelters, steel plants, large data centers, and other myriad large bulk power users exist in Costa Rica? You know, the things that allow humans to actually build a first world country capable of supporting a large urban population? Yeah, thought so.

  10. Costa Rica doesn't have an army by Streetlight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think Costa Rica is interested in invading another country nor has it been invaded except by folks enjoying its beaches and mild climate. Not sure how big the police force is but may be no larger than that of a big US city.

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  11. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

    Also to note Electric Cars are a luxury for the Rich of Americans and Europeans. This isn't old fashioned yet, because there isn't a wide scale replacement.
    A flip phone is an old fashioned device, because most of the population have moved over to smartphones. However your iPhone 6 isn't an old fashion phone, just because the 7 just got released.
    There are still a lot of gasoline cars being created in the market, with many companies without an all electric plan for their cars in any time in the future.

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  12. Re:Double standard with renewable classification. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hydro is claimed in renewable counts when making claims about performance. But when making claims about progress, its almost always credited to wind and solar expansion. Here we have very high perentage of electricity considered renewable, but almost none of that is wind or solar. So some will downplay the headline for that reason.

    In reality, hydro is great for those countries that have the option, but its not a production growth capable technology as it gets harder and harder to get approvals to sequester the land and alter the water flow.

  13. Re:Double standard with renewable classification. by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with hydro is that it's impossible to build more dams in countries with environmental regulations, water rights laws and lawyers.

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  14. Re:Not Giving Up My Gasoline Car by danbob999 · · Score: 2

    We couldn't care less about your personal tastes. We will end up making you pay for your pollution, like it or not.
    And also fuck you.

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  15. So part 2: Iceland by JBMcB · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think Iceland generates almost all of it's power from geothermal, to the point where most of the world's bauxite smelting is done there, and there's enough power left over for most citizens to pay a flat rate for electricity.

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  16. Not Allowed in the US by sycodon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Environmentalists won't allow new dams to built in the US and are actively trying to have old ones torn down.

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    1. Re:Not Allowed in the US by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 2

      Doesn't that have more to do with wildlife and habitat protection than whether hydroelectric is renewable?

      Well, renewable so long as the water doesn't dry up anyway.

      Here's a whole article on it:

      Environmental Impacts of Hydroelectric Power

      It seems the environmentalist complaints boil down to 3 things:

      * impact on wildlife
      * impact on the land (in and around the dam as well as downstream)
      * carbon emissions which they say "can also be significant"

      But aside from that, it's all good.....as long as the water doesn't dry up.

      Comparing it to money, it would be more like you get a fixed income every month, but if you don't spend it, it just flows downstream (presumably in the form of bank fees). Barring any unforeseen catastrophe however the money is completely renewable as well as transient.

  17. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

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  18. daydream? by ooloorie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Costa Rica's per capita GDP is 1/3 of that of the US, making it a fairly poor country. And if you want to find other countries that use little fossil fuel energy, just keep going down the list and look at the countries that are even poorer than Costa Rica.

    Every country in the world was run on pretty much 100% renewable energy sources until the industrial revolution. That's neither something to brag about or something to aspire to.

  19. A lot of people use generators in Central America by sdguero · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is common for rural areas to be disconnected form the grid and many small communities in Central/South America run off generators. I stayed at a surf/yoga camp in 2011 that was run off candles and generators, even though a place to tie into the grid was only a couple miles away.

    When I ruminated about how a candle is probably a worse polluter than a 60W light bulb powered by a coal power plant, the crunchy ex-pat owner got pretty upset with me. I goolged it when we got home and sure enough, candles horrible for air pollution compared to light bulbs.

  20. merely a simple matter of engineering... by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    You have to heat the mixture (a man made combination of several minerals) to about 2,700 degrees F to get Cement.

    hey wait, don't they have volcanoes in Costa Rica? So that pesky cement production problem is solvable.
    Now to just get everybody switched over to electric cars.

    And since someone inevitably brought up the energy storage with problem with renewables -- Costa Rica is also pretty close to the equator. Just run mass up the space elevator when the wind is blowing / Sun is shining. Then run mass down the elevator when you need more baseload power. Good grief, I can't believe I have to spell everything out for you. This isn't rocket surgery!

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    1. Re:merely a simple matter of engineering... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Funny

      hey wait, don't they have volcanoes in Costa Rica? So that pesky cement production problem is solvable.

      Better yet, why even use cement? Just ladle out some lava into your form, let it cool, and BAM - natural stone buildings!

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  21. Paraguay has been doing this for 40 years by sombragris · · Score: 4, Informative

    My country (Paraguay) went 100% renewable after 1973, when the Acaray dam went operational and covered 100% of the energy needs of the country. In 1983 the world's largest operational dam (Itaipú) began to serve energy and we own 50% of it (with Brazil). We also own 50% of another large dam (Yacyreta). Now, and save for biomass-burning usines used in the Mennonite colonies at the far north, isolated Chaco area, we still are 100% covered by hydropower. There are plans to convert these biomass plants either to solar power or to lay down wires so they could use power from Itaipu. So, I would say that covering large energy needs with renewable power is totally possible, and we are proof of it since 1973.

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  22. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

    He's probably a blathering moron, but probably one who works for a Government agency. After all "in general, hydropower is not even considered a renewable energy in most states or, for the most part, by the federal government". Yes, liquid falling from the sky, collecting in valleys and lakes, and tumbling down rivers is not a renewable resource.

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  23. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    And how is hydroelectric renewable? Can they make it rain? I used 100% renewable money last month, I won the lottery!

    Hydro is the most important of the renewables by far, but Greens only count it when they brag about the energy output of rainy countries. At other times, hydro is the energy source they loved to hate the most before nuclear came along.

  24. Re:Because Lead is a fertilizer.. by ljw1004 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Along with lots and lots of primarily lead acid batteries for storage.
    You want to know where a good proportion of that lead ends up when batteries reach end of life?
    You want to know what lead does to the environment? The Wildlife? The People?

    Ah, but no, its all pure shiny pretty warn nice solar power! Ignore the realities.

    Did you ignore the link in thread you were replying to? Here it is again: http://www.npr.org/sections/pa...

    "The plant consists of five big industrial windmills and two lakes. On windy days — and there are plenty — the windmills harness the Canary Islands' Atlantic gusts. When production exceeds demand, such as at night, excess energy is used to pump water from a sea-level lake up into a natural volcanic crater half a mile uphill. When the wind dies down, the water is released down through a pipe connecting the two lakes. On its way, it passes through turbines, which generate hydro-power. Everything is connected with sensors so that within five seconds of the wind dying down, the hydro portion of the plant kicks in. For island residents, the lights don't even flicker."

    I don't think the lake is made out of lead acid batteries...

  25. Re:Nice going dudes!? by hyades1 · · Score: 2

    The energy to make them is paid back in 2-4 years, and they last 30 years. That's in Australia, which is roughly the same distance from the Equator as Sri Lanka.

    http://www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/news/solar-energy-myth-buster-1-they-take-more-energy-to-manufacture-then-they-will-ever-generate-161209/

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  26. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by AaronW · · Score: 2

    Lithium only makes up around 2% of the battery. It is not a significant contributor to the price.

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  27. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by dbIII · · Score: 2

    Unless we happen to find some huge, new, easy-to-mine vein of lithium ore

    Surely you are joking.
    The desert in California is full of the stuff in salt lakes and there is a huge salt lake in Bolivia with enough for centuries of current lithium usage in that lake alone. That Bolivian lake is so big and so flat that it is used by satellites to calibrate their altitude measurements.
    Access? It has around a dozen rusty locomotives parked on it. If they could get there then getting the salt out isn't so hard.
    Mining? Lithium is "mined" by bulldozer, backhoe and truck.
    The current price is an artifact of the small number of suppliers. If it continues to rise then that will motivate others to look at the deposits that are not being used at the moment.

  28. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by Barsteward · · Score: 2

    it is old fashioned, its old tech by a long way. its a newer version of coal burning but its now in the "old tech" bracket.

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  29. Re:gasoline == old fashioned?? by guyniraxn · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's always a little splashing in a pissing contest.