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Airbnb Unveils Changes To Address Racial Discrimination (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: Acknowledging that his company has "been slow on this issue," Airbnb CEO and co-founder Brian Chesky is rolling out changes aimed at addressing discrimination complaints against the home rental service. Among the changes: de-emphasizing the role of user photos in arranging stays. Here are some of the other changes Airbnb announced Thursday: Providing assistance to people who feel they've experienced discrimination; Anti-bias training for all staff; Setting public diversity goals for staff; Partnering with historically black colleges and universities to strengthen their recruitment pipeline. The move comes after longstanding complaints from African-American Airbnb customers who said their booking requests were turned down at a high rate. Black Airbnb users vented their frustration with the phenomenon of being rejected for a booking date -- only to see the same place get listed once again -- spawning the hashtag #AirbnbWhileBlack on Twitter. And those frustrations were borne out in a study that sent 6,400 requests to AirBnb hosts in five large U.S. cities; the requests were identical except for the customer's name. As the Hidden Brain podcast reported, "requests with African-American sounding names were roughly 16 percent less likely to be accepted than their white-sounding counterparts."

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  1. they also found... by turkeydance · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ....that black hosts were also less likely to accept requests from guests with African American-sounding names than with white-sounding ones.

    1. Re: they also found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Weird. Almost as though it isn't racism causing this behavior, but knowledge and experience with a culture that is a higher risk to invite in your home. ... Nah! Let's just blame a boogeyman and commit corporate suicide as a sacrifice to white guilt.

    2. Re: they also found... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Uhh no. Humans live, learn, grow, and develop based on personal experience. Your incredible arrogance in dismissing the experience of others is disgusting. Black cops do not fear other Blacks more because of inaccurate stereotypes.

      They fear them because of the very real and demonstrably accurate statistical fact of black violence. Blacks kill other Blacks at astronomically high levels. Cops would be suicidal to pretend otherwise.

    3. Re:they also found... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being a member of an ethnicity doesn't mean you can't have inaccurate stereotypes about it.

      Nonsense. Discrimination is wrong whether the stereotypes are accurate or not. Blacks are far more likely to be criminals than whites. That is a fact. But it is still wrong to presume that an individual black person is a criminal. Everyone should be treated and respected as an individual.

    4. Re: they also found... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Black cops do not fear other Blacks more because of inaccurate stereotypes.

      It depends on what you mean by "accurate." Are blacks more likely to be offenders than whites? That's what the stats say. But that doesn't exactly equate to a logical argument for "We should be suspicious of every black person we see."

      They fear them because of the very real and demonstrably accurate statistical fact of black violence. Blacks kill other Blacks at astronomically high levels. Cops would be suicidal to pretend otherwise.

      Hmm... "astronomically high levels"?? Yes, the black-on-black murder rate is much higher than the white-on-white murder rate. But, that doesn't imply that MOST black people are murderers, or even a significant number.

      Roughly speaking, black murderers constitute around 0.03% of the black population. Meanwhile, white murderers constitute around 0.005% of the white population.

      Here's the thing -- for ALL races, >99.9% of people are NOT murderers. Walking around acting like EVERY black person could potentially be a murderer is nonsensical. Making the assumption that every encounter with a black person will likely escalate to violence is unwarranted, based on your "demonstrably accurate statistical facts."

      >95% of priests are NOT child molesters. >99% of Muslims are NOT terrorists. >99.9% of blacks are NOT murderers.

      What you're talking about is irrational fear based on stereotypes. Just because the percentage of X crime is higher among population A than B doesn't mean it's reasonable to walk around assuming all of population A are likely criminals.

    5. Re: they also found... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They fear them because of the very real and demonstrably accurate statistical fact of black violence. Blacks kill other Blacks at astronomically high levels. Cops would be suicidal to pretend otherwise.

      Roughly speaking, black murderers constitute around 0.03% of the black population. Meanwhile, white murderers constitute around 0.005% of the white population. (...) >99% of Muslims are NOT terrorists.

      So say I'm a cop approaching a suspect's car, is a 0.03%/0.005% = 600% difference in risk of getting shot trivial or not? Or if I'm the security service, the ratio of Muslim to non-Muslim terrorists? Most rentals go well, but one horror story can easily wipe out the profit of a hundred ordinary rentals. It could happen with white people, it could happen with black people, it's unlikely to happen with white people and it's unlikely to happen with black people. But if the unlikely is still a lot more likely to happen with black people rather than white people, is that bigotry or risk management?

      If I've been out partying and is walking home late at night and see a woman walking the same way I bet she's a lot more worried I'll jump her and rape her in the bushes than I am that she'll do the same to me. Because I'm male and she's female and most rapists are male and rape victims female. I'd say it's pretty daft to call that sexist, even though it's entirely based on our sex with no regards to the actual person and wouldn't happen if it were two men or two women. That 99%+ don't drag women into bushes to rape them doesn't mean that fear is false or misguided.

      Of course a selective bias may become a self-fulfilling prophecy, if everyone looks to the more likely suspect they might also be disproportionally often investigated and caught compared to non-likely suspects leading to excessive confirmation of the bias. That is to say if the real numbers are 60/40 and the chance of getting caught is also 60/40 the actual figures will look like 0.6*0.6 = 36% vs 0.4*0.4 = 16% leading to the false conclusion that one group is more than twice as likely to be the perp rather than 50%. But in a world of limited knowledge and resources we tend to apply what we have, even though it's unfair to those who belong to a group but go against the statistics of that group.

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    6. Re: they also found... by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How do you solve the "black crime problem"? And how exactly does crime cause poverty?

      No one wants to establish businesses that bring jobs to areas that have high amounts of crime. Few want to work hard and amass wealth when it is likely to get stolen. When the blacks rioted in Milwaukee a couple of months back they looted the hair weave store. All that effort to establish a store to serve their community down the toilet.

      Law and order comes first. Then comes the ability to create wealth. Not the other way around.

      For every racial/ethnic/religious group that has achieved success in America, which came first: stable and predictable communities, or wealth?

      As for fixing the problems that's got to come from the black community. White liberals do them no favors by making excuses for poor behavior. There are black voices trying to whip their communities into shape, but white liberals saying "no, no, you're victims, it's somebody else's fault!" is a far more appealing, but ultimately fruitless message. Counterproductive. I think it makes them feel good, though.

      Prime example here. Blacks commit more crime, AirBnB renters notice and the solution isn't to weed out criminal blacks, or to offer support to efforts to end black crime, but to admonish the renters for noticing the crime. This doesn't do anything to solve the underlying problems. Black crime will continue, black poverty will continue, race relations will continue to deteriorate.

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  2. It's not rocket science.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    18% of the population commits 40% of the crime. Of course no one wants that in their home and they're not to blame. It's not racism it's fact.

    1. Re:It's not rocket science.. by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That paper and many others like it have been debunked extensively. Apart from the correlation being weak, they don't account for historical disadvantages like poverty, broken homes and oppression.

      You confuse "correlation" and "cause"; that was obvious in your first reply but even more now that you say that a study does not "take into account" various factors like poverty and oppression when they identify a correlation between skin color and crime. Oppression, really?

      Because you confuse those two things, you let your emotions take over and lose objectivity, and you jump to conclusion. As an example, you say that this study from a Canadian university is racist and has been debunked extensively, which is clearly total bullshit. And the only link you provide to support your self-righteous diatribe is the part 2 of some random blog post series on a broken wordpress site which has nothing to do with nothing except it has the words "debunking" and "race" in the title.

      So please take a deep breath and think about this objectively. If you maintain that the study I linked has been "debunked" or is racist, please post relevant links to support your point because as it stands it just looks like you googled "debunking racist study" or somehing like that and posted one of the results, which has no relation whatsoever with the study.

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    2. Re:It's not rocket science.. by wired_parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oh for God's sake. You're citing Philippe Rushton, a textbook definition of a racist, past president of the Pioneer Fund and frequent contributor to American Renaissance, both organizations classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups, and you want us to give equal weight to his arguments that blacks have smaller brains and unrestrained libido? He's been thoroughly debunked by many, but Joseph Grave's debunking of Rushton is one of the most thorough.

      It's a sad day for slashdot when works by a noted racist thinker gets modded +5 and conspiracy theories on a presidential candidate's health make the front page.

  3. Will the renters be COMPELLED to rent? by mi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whatever policies the company staff are subjected to, unless the renters are somehow compelled to rent to people against their will — however misguided, hateful, or bigoted that will might be — the complaints will not go away.

    The government may compel a business-owner by threatening fines and withdrawal of license. Fortunately, AirBnB does not have the government's power and monopoly. Whatever they do is doomed to failure.

    They know this and are going through the motions only to deflect criticism (and the government's wrath) against themselves.

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    1. Re:Will the renters be COMPELLED to rent? by mi · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They can rank the discriminatory hosts last so that most potential renters won't see them.

      That will mean violating the customer's trust — if I am sorting by rankings, the site will be lying to me if they let (alleged) bigotry weight somebody down beyond the low rating the alleging party has left.

      Maybe, they can add a separate criteria for "political correctness" or "adherence to Social Justice principles" — and see, how many will choose their next room based on that...

      Perhaps more importantly, if the discrimination really is as widespread as is being alleged, your method simply will not help...

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  4. Re:In other words. . . by Wycliffe · · Score: 5, Informative

    the company is telling its employees what policies to implement, instructing their employees on how to behave, and overall exercising control over its employees. Just like a hotel does.

    Except that training staff and setting diversity goals for recruitment is not going to do anything when it is the *hosts* that are discriminating. In most cases, if the host also lives there, it is not even illegal to discriminate. Most places have rules that let you discriminate on gender and other random requirements when dealing with roommates or in some cases even sharing a close dwelling like a duplex.

  5. Risk management by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I am willing to bet most won't rent to a group of teenagers, and it isn't because of ageism.

    I don't think they will have any luck with cajoling people into abandoning basic risk management when it comes to renting their property.

  6. Triggering on the wrong bias point by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First off, I would never rent my house for a week or two. I just don't trust people that much.

    Second, if I was going to rent my house out for a week or two I would look at age first. That 50 year old black couple is going to beat the 20 year old single white dude. Every. Single. Time.

    1. Re:Triggering on the wrong bias point by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The vast majority of Airbnb (and VRBO) listings are not owner-occupied homes. They're second, third, etc. homes owned by someone who rents them out full-time as a business.

      It's kinda like how most eBay listings used to be people getting rid of unused crap in their homes, but now it's mostly people running businesses with eBay as a storefront. Or Uber and Lyft, which started out as "these people want to go to the same place you are, why not give them a ride and make a few bucks?" But now the drivers are all doing it as a full-time business.

  7. Did they collect risk and damage data? by trout007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Young men are charged more for car insurance because they are a higher risk. When there was a free market in healthcare women were charged more because they use it more. Smokers were charged more as well.

    If they really wanted to show that discrimination was unfounded they would post the data proving that African American Airbnb users are no more likely to commit crime or cause damage than other renters.

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  8. Re:In other words. . . by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If the renter can supply a good credit rating it should be safe.

    Nobody runs a credit check for a one or two night AirBNB stay. Even if they did, that is not a fix to discrimination, since blacks, on average, have worse credit scores.

    Because blacks tend to have worse credit scores, in 2007 the state of Washington banned the use of credit reports in hiring. This of course, made discrimination worse. This is an example of a market for lemons. Since employers could no longer tell "good" black candidates from "bad" black candidates, they played it safe by just hiring fewer blacks overall. Yet another perverse unintended consequence of a regulation.

  9. Re:Flip Side by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Lets see the stats on homes being trashed, by race.

    I host on Airbnb, and the biggest problem is not being "trashed", but getting unjustified bad reviews the destroy your reputation and diminish future bookings. I have rented to black people, and they tend to be easy going and tolerant of minor problems that may crop up. I have never had a bad review from any of them. The worse renters are French people. They whine about everything.

  10. Re:In other words. . . by frovingslosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you really want to have fun, err... I mean take this to the next logical level, then forbid owners from running criminal background checks on the renters. After all, not wanting to rent your expensive home to criminals is racist, since a black person if far more likely to have a criminal record than a white person. Airbnb should make renters agree to rent to any criminal that applies.

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  11. Re:In other words. . . by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since it's getting increasingly unacceptable to ask about and disqualify candidates who have criminal records ...

    One reason is that having a criminal record is not correlated with poor performance for most jobs. It may be sensible to run a criminal background check if you are hiring a cashier, but not if you are hiring a carpenter or a programmer.

  12. Re:Flip Side by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I live in France, I am not sure if it counts as whining. I think they just have a different attitude - I don't think they ever gush with praise.

    Some guy I (an anonymous coward) met said their education system works as follows. All kids start the year with 20/20 full marks. But for each bit of work they do that is less than perfect they lose credit. And everyone always loses credit. In say the UK, it wouldn't be too hard to get around 90% for most things, but I think anything over 80% in France is really pretty exceptional. I took some courses with clever hard working people and the top score in the class might only be 15/20 or 16/20.

    I saw some of a patisserie competition where people were making ridiculously beautiful delicious looking things that in the UK would only receive gushing praise and scores of 8.5/10 or more, but in France the praise was very much tempered with criticism and scores were closer to 6/10.

    A friend of mine has a French wife and he thinks that the French in general have a very fatalistic attitude towards things, don't generally expecct things to go well etc.

    In general I would give a 5 star review on airbnb and consider it being polite, unless there was a problem, similarly with amazon. But I think really a 3 star review means everything was fine right? 5 stars should be for exceptional? Or at least I think that is how the French might see it.

    I don't know what the point I am trying to make is - definitely don't take it personally, it is probably a cultural difference which airbnb and any other future renters (frustratingly) won't really be able to take into account.

  13. Re:Flip Side by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Funny

    3* for everything good and expected sounds reasonable. Unfortunately the star ratings have become something like this:

    5* Everything worked as expected. Clean, owner was there on time etc.
    4* Kind of skeezy but whatever there were less than 3 rats visible at any one time.
    3* The bed was on fire.
    2* Turns out the apartment was floating above hell itself. Would not rent again.
    1* WiFi was slow and unreliable.

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  14. Re: In other words. . . by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And this is why it's ok to be racist against white people but not ok to be racist against black people?

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