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FBI Agent Posing As Journalist To Deliver Malware To Suspect Was Fine, Says DOJ (vice.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Motherboard: In 2007, an FBI agent impersonated an Associated Press journalist in order to deliver malware to a criminal suspect and find out his location. According to a newly published report from the Department of Justice, the operation was in line with the FBI's undercover policies at the time. Journalistic organizations had expressed concern that the tactic could undermine reporters' and media institutions' credibility. The case concerned a Seattle teenager suspected of sending bomb threats against a local school. FBI Special Agent Mason Grant got in touch with the teen over email, pretending to be an AP journalist. After some back and forth, Grant sent the suspect a fake article which, when clicked, grabbed his real IP address. Armed with this information, the FBI identified and arrested the suspect. The Associated Press, the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and other journalistic organizations condemned the move. They pointed out that an FBI agent posing as a reporter could create distrust between legitimate journalists and sources, and also raised issues with the way the malware was distributed through a fake news story. The new Department of Justice report noted that, today, this activity would require greater authorization, under an interim policy on impersonating members of the media that was adopted by the FBI this June. Now, for the agency to pretend to be a journalist as part of an undercover operation, an application must be made by the head of an FBI field office to the agency's main headquarters, reviewed by the Undercover Review Committee, and then approved by the deputy director, after discussion with the deputy attorney general.

74 comments

  1. Intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They pointed out that an FBI agent posing as a reporter could create distrust between legitimate journalists and sources...

    This is a feature.

    1. Re:Intent by DaHat · · Score: 2

      And the fault of the Republicans apparently: http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/1...

    2. Re:Intent by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Rewarming COINTELPRO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      The techniques of dividing press and their contacts, whistleblowers.
      Freedom of the press is now just a cover to get access to domestic contacts, whistleblowers.
      Anyone wanting to contact the press now has doubts about their trackable research been found early on any computer before its ready for publication.
      The press now wonders what the next fake contact with a good story will push up on their computer, network and uncover all their contacts or unpublished work.
      Any research found could be a fake link to push unique malware down, any member of the press could then have a computer network that is wide open.
      FIRSTFRUIT for the domestic press covering any story? The Most Intriguing Spy Stories From 166 Internal Nsa Reports (May 17 2016)
      https://theintercept.com/2016/...

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    3. Re:Intent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if the "... the head of an FBI field office to the agency's main headquarters, reviewed by the Undercover Review Committee, and then approved by the deputy director, after discussion with the deputy attorney general" are gonna give two Fs and say no. They'll get a 2nd agent to act as a different reporter, approach the subject of the investigation, and then make the subject of the investigation believe they've got a scoop and thus anxious to pick one of the two "reporters" quicker. Our law enforcement has already demonstrated they have little regard for ethics or following the law. Getting the bad guy is all that matters. The extra procedures are a farce.

    4. Re:Intent by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Which is ridiculous. The republican centric news sources are so ridiculous nobody with critical thinking skills believes in them. The D flavor spin actually tries to sound intelligent and appeal to people who've taken a critical thinking course, relying on logic and avoiding obvious logical fallacies and rhetoric.

      The D media dropped all pretense during the Sanders v Clinton thing right through the convention. Of course D and R are really just two faces of the same ruling party designed to keep us divided.

  2. Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do I think that if he journalist impersonated an FBI agent, the DOJ's opinion would be very different?

    1. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it would be highly illegal, and vice versa.

    2. Re:Why do I think by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why do I think that if he journalist impersonated an FBI agent, the DOJ's opinion would be very different?

      Rules are for thee, not for me. Back to work, subject.

      --
      My God, it's Full of Source!
      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    3. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because impersonating law enforcement is a crime and impersonating journalists isn't?

    4. Re:Why do I think by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't that be covered under identity theft laws? Or does financial damage have to occur for such laws to come into effect?

    5. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? Are you 5 or something? Impersonating one is illegal the other isn't and for damn good reason too.

    6. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, because all crimes are only crimes when it isn't the president or bovinians doing it. Naturally.

    7. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought we were discussing impersonating a cop or a reporter, not any specific individual. IE, the difference between "I'm a cop" and "I am officer Bob of the LAPD, badge number 12345".

      So since we are discussing the former, whose identity is supposed to have been stolen?

    8. Re:Why do I think by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The reporter the cop was impersonating.

    9. Re:Why do I think by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      He didn't impersonate a real reporter. Just made up a name.

    10. Re:Why do I think by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't such made credentials be fairly easy to discover as bogus? Like on the order of ease of being able to tell the difference between monopoly money and actual currency?

    11. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Law enforcement impersonate children online, would you prosecute them for "identity theft". Hope this makes it clear just how stupid your question is.

    12. Re:Why do I think by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rules are for thee, not for me. Back to work, subject.

      That's a bit harsh IMHO. Impersonating a federal agent is a crime that has been on the books for a long time and with a substantial body of case law to support it. In this case, as a search was performed it's clearly illegal. (Interestingly it's not the impersonation as such that's a problem, otherwise it'd be difficult to make the X-files, but how you use it. Gaining anything of value, or performing a search are clearly out of bounds.)

      Note that this rule is there (mainly) to protect the public from fraudsters, not to protect the government.

      Journalists are, however, not a protected group in this sense. There are no laws on the books, and that's probably also for the best, lest every blogger in the land be hauled before the magistrate for "impersonating a journalist". So the lack of protection is arguably to the benefit of the freedom of the press.

      Now, impersonating a journalist for law enforcement purposes may be ill advised, no argument there, but but clearly not illegal. It's also noteworthy that the rules have since changed to make this practice less available.

      --
      Stefan Axelsson
    13. Re:Why do I think by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      You don't think the Federal Government can make great credentials and toss up some news articles with the agent's undercover name on the byline? I am pretty sure they can, easily.

    14. Re: Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, and that's never happened. The myth here is the presumed high ethical code of journalism.

    15. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your point was exactly what I was thinking! Hilarious!

      Imagine if a journalist called an FBI office with something like, "This is agent Smith, assistant to the director at the NE regional office. Just need to get that list of information we were promised yesterday pronto!"

      And if it worked, wonder if they could say it was in line with "fairly standard operating procedure at the time". He! He!

    16. Re:Why do I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps, even though that is a bit of a double standard since their basic argument would be "I can impersonate you but you can't impersonate me". How about this though, lets say I'm a defense attorney and I'm on a case where I believe that the FBI used illegal tactics to arrest/charge my client. I'm unable to get the records through legal means since they simply claim that they "don't exist", so impersonate a maintenance worker to get into an FBI building under the auspices that I am fixing a malfunctioning thermostat. I find the files, make copies and show up in at the next court day waiving them . I would have done virtually the same thing as the FBI (posing as someone I'm not, obtaining unlawful access to an area (building/computer, same thing)) but can guarantee that their response to the situation would be decidedly different from their response in this case (since they would be on the receiving end), probably demanding I be arrested and the evidence be declared inadmissible.

    17. Re:Why do I think by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You're not answering the question. You're walking it back one step. Why is one a crime and the other not?

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  3. A link that grabbed an IP address? by Sowelu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's not malware. That's basically any webserver ever made. There's even URL shorteners that can redirect somewhere while grabbing the IP address of someone who passes through. It's sneaky but not even remotely illegal for anyone.

    1. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by alvinrod · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Doesn't matter. If it's on your computer and doing something you don't want or didn't agree to, it's malware.

    2. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      It wasn't on his computer (apparently). If you click on any link anywhere, the owner of the web server will get your IP address. That is how the internet works.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter. If it's on your computer and doing something you don't want or didn't agree to, it's malware.

      It's like an undercover agent telling a suspect to meet him at a coffee house, then arresting him when he shows up. All the agent did here was send him a link in an email and waited for him to "show up". He lured him, not delivered malware. Now, posing as a journalist to do so has normally been frowned upon, if not prohibited.

    4. Re:A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the new /. where cowboyneal runs the whole show. No editing will be done and this sort of drivel dominates page 1. Thank you for your time, citizen.

    5. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chances are it was malware. Since they were communicating via email I would presume the suspect was using a VPN of some sort otherwise they could just grab the IP from whoever was providing the email. As such accessing a URL would still only show the VPN IP so one would assume malware was utilised to infect the PC and phone home using its real IP address.

    6. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same AC. I should probably have added unless this is just some sensationalistic journalism I would assume the above to be true. Otherwise surely it'd have just been easier to subpoena the email provider. The kid doesn't exactly scream tech genius running their own email.

    7. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      It wasn't on his computer (apparently).

      But how the hell would any of us know that when the journalists covering this story apparently get their information from packs of pudding?

      Grant sent the suspect a fake article which, when clicked, grabbed his real IP address.

      OK, so he clicked a fake article, and the fake article that he clicked grabbed his real IP address (not his fake IP address).

      or...

      When the suspect clicked on the link to the write up, thanks to software encrypted in the link, he unwittingly identified his location and he was arrested a short time later.

      OK, so apparently some software was "encrypted in the link", which identified his location.

      What the hell are these people talking about? Was the kid just surfing from home without a VPN or any other protection and then they checked the Apache logs for his IP? Did they have a fancy for loop which logged every request header to look for the x-forwarded-for that his DIY proxy helpfully included? Did they use a browser exploit to infect him with something which phoned home?

      Hell if I know. Let's go with "software encrypted in the link", and pass the pudding.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    8. Re:A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't get his IP because he visited the website, he was using proxy servers. From the article:

      FBI agents on the task force, working with FBI technology and behavioral
      experts at Headquarters (FBIHQ), developed a plan to surreptitiously insert a
      computer program into the individual’s computer that would identify his location.
      An FBI undercover agent posed as an editor for the Associated Press (AP) and
      attempted to contact the individual through e-mail. During subsequent online
      communications, the undercover agent sent the individual links to a fake news
      article and photographs that had the computer program concealed within them.
      The individual activated the computer program when he clicked on the link to the
      photographs, thereby revealing his location to the FBI.

    9. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a simple BeEF attack then.

      The only story here is the apparant mistrust between sources and journalists which shouldn't be an issue as from my experience newspapers are utilising electronic dead drops and PGP emails.

    10. Re:A link that grabbed an IP address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bastard has call display too

    11. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by jcochran · · Score: 2

      It's pretty obvious that you don't understand.

      FBI -> Gave URL of fake article to suspect.
      Suspect -> Clicked on URL.
      Web server hosting fake article logged IP address of requester , then sent article to suspect using the IP that was just logged.

      Note: ANY WEB SERVER WOULD HAVE DONE THE EXACT SAME THING. The FBI agent could have sent the URL of a real news article and on the log of that web server, the suspect's IP address would have been recorded. However, there would also have been a lot of other IP addresses recorded as well from other people who also looked at the news article rendering the issue into a needle in a pile needles search. The advantage of the fake article is that the only person who would request that article would be the suspect since the general public would have been unaware of the article and the URL to said article. No malware involved. Just a normal everyday web server with an URL known only to the FBI and given to the suspect. Suspect tricked into accessing the page and thereby giving his IP address to the FBI. They could have even make it so the web page didn't exist and having a 404 error sent back to the suspect. It would have had the exact same effect, but might have made the suspect cautious or aware that something unusual was going on.

    12. Re:A link that grabbed an IP address? by TroII · · Score: 1

      During subsequent online
      communications, the undercover agent sent the individual links to a fake news
      article and photographs that had the computer program concealed within them.
      The individual activated the computer program when he clicked on the link to the
      photographs, thereby revealing his location to the FBI.

      Is this saying the FBI has weaponized a zero-day whereby opening a specially crafted image file can cause code execution? I'm not sure how else to make sense of that paragraph.

    13. Re:A link that grabbed an IP address? by dunkindave · · Score: 1

      make sense of that paragraph

      I think I found your error

    14. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      But how the hell would any of us know that when the journalists covering this story apparently get their information from packs of pudding?

      That is true of almost every news article everywhere.
      If we thought of that more often, we would argue less.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    15. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      No it is not about the software, it is about the fraudulent misrepresentation as being from a specific existing organisation that is criminal. Say for example, I pretend to be from your company, to engage with a violent crime gang. Now something goes wrong and that crime gang wants revenge. You and you employees have no idea what is going on, until a company picnic happens and that crime gang turns up for revenge, and shoot up you family and employees all without any warning, ha, ha, tough luck for you whilst the slimy shit bag agent stays perfectly safe.

      The crime is not in the software hack, the crime is in the fraudulent misrepresentation and placing of innocent citizens at risk. Like perhaps the next Associated Press Journalist who turns up to interview someone but gets shot in the face instead because they believed he was am undercover operative (not that shooting an undercover operative is ever acceptable, except with a camera and their photo published all over the internet).

      Under cover can only ever be fake people and fake organisations, they can never be allowed to pose as other people, from other organisation and in the slimiest most cowardly shit bag fashion imaginable, place those other organisations and people at extreme risk.

      --
      Chaos - everything, everywhere, everywhen
    16. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      It's pretty obvious that you don't understand.

      Oh, is it, professor? Thanks for briefly describing how a web server like Apache logs traffic. I'm pretty sure I included that in my comment, but I appreciate you pointing out that I don't understand and just saying it again.

      I'm glad that your level of communication is advanced enough that you can decipher what journalists mean when they say shit like "thanks to software encrypted in the link" and use "malware" distribution (even right in the headline!) to describe the normal operation of a web server.

      My only question would be whether they just logged IPs sending requests to the URL or whether he was on a VPN and they actually had to infect his computer with actual malware (which are 2 completely different actions regarding law enforcement and rights). But obviously I don't understand, and you're part of the FBI A-team, so thanks for taking the time to chime in and clarify things for all of us idiots.

      Still though, your explanation of how to send a URL that isn't publicly known to get the public IP of a specific person is kind of hard to understand, and totally not obvious even to people who work with web servers every day. Do you think you could rephrase that, maybe using units like how many pictures or songs they can store on the server? Maybe then I'll understand.

      Thanks so much.

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    17. Re: A link that grabbed an IP address? by dwillden · · Score: 1

      You realize that the Supreme Court has ruled that law enforcement can legally lie to you. There was nothing criminal or fraudulent about the actions of the FBI. Contrary to your claims, undercover is not restricted to fake people or organizations, just precautions must be taken so that the claimed identity and organization is not blown by the actual person or organization.

      It is not illegal for the authorities to lie to you to get you to admit to a crime. They can't or lead you into an incriminating statement but they can definitely claim a false identity and feed you false information that leads you to providing incriminating evidence.

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      I'm too lazy to compose a creative sig.
  4. Credibility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Journalistic organizations had expressed concern that the tactic could undermine reporters' and media institutions' credibility. "
    I think they do a good enough job of doing that themselves these days.

  5. What Journalist Credibility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess if they had any left they MIGHT have a case. But given the sorry state of Journalism in general I can't see that the FBI is doing anything to harm them than Journalists do to themselves today.

    Besides, why are these 'special snow-flakes' worth any more protection than say a Plumber, Electrician or other profession that needs 'integrity' as part of their selling feature...I'm sure the FBI 'impersonate' all kinds of professions all the time, I doubt anyone cares to worry about that.

    A specific Journalist has integrity or doesn't. He has a reputation or doesn't. Attempting to impersonate an individual is likely grounds for a law suit/sanctions. As a profession or 'group' Journalists are no more worthy of 'protection' than any other profession, so they can go piss up a rope for all I care.

  6. He posed as a reporter for a reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Journalistic organizations had expressed concern that the tactic could undermine reporters' and media institutions' credibility" and "They pointed out that an FBI agent posing as a reporter could create distrust between legitimate journalists and sources" are both hitting on exactly the reasons that the FBI chose this particular ruse over any of their other options. The FBI and the CIA both want it to be impossible for the press to do their job, because when independent investigation occurs then all of a sudden the story is out of control.

    This is an element of the story that should not be underplayed.

    1. Re:He posed as a reporter for a reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You conspiracy theorists are hilarious....as Peter would say 'You grind my gears'. Especially as you picked on the ONE thing that wasn't true here...

      They didn't know where the guy was & needed to get him to trust them quickly to the extent he'd be willing to click on a link. Should they have impersonated a Plumber? Electrician? A member of the school board/school he threatened? (Yeah that's going to work). What profession should the guy have impersonated to 'engender trust' or even get the kid to answer him (the guy threatened to bomb a school...why would he respond to ANYONE about it).

      Seriously, this had NOTHING to do with undermining journalism, especially since they do such a great job of that themselves already...and what is this 'independent investigation' you speak of that journalists supposedly do? Is it evidenced in them 'embedding' themselves with the military when wars are fought? Going to gala dinners with the same politicians they're supposed to be investigating? Heck the REAL element of the story is that they have the DOJ/FBI changing their rules in terms of how anyone in the FBI can impersonate being a 'journalist', why should THEY get such protection as a profession over ANY other profession? There shouldn't be ANY rules on them to impersonate being part of PROFESSION, impersonating an actual person/individual is an offence/actionable by law so that's protected without needing extra rules (or at least you shouldn't need them).

      Far from the FBI, CIA etc trying to 'undermine' Journalists they're so cosy with them that it takes a Snowden to reveal just how corrupt these agencies are.

    2. Re:He posed as a reporter for a reason. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but the "Journalistic organizations" just told me that 78 degrees was "Sweltering" heat.

      Or, alternatively, lumping all "Journalistic Organizations" from the best to the worst, together as a singular unit, an representing that as totally wholesome, is at best very poor journalism ;)

      --
      Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
    3. Re:He posed as a reporter for a reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but the "Journalistic organizations" just told me that 78 degrees was "Sweltering" heat.

      Eh, but it is. Here on the 60-degree latitude mark anyways.

    4. Re:He posed as a reporter for a reason. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      FWIW, 78 is unhealthy if the humidity is high enough. I have trouble functioning at a dew point of 70 or higher.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    5. Re: He posed as a reporter for a reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but the "Journalistic organizations" just told me that 78 degrees was "Sweltering" heat

      Depending on humidity, wind, your attire, sun exposure, and other conditions, yes.

      Just try it yourself. Put on a wool sweater and stand in the sun.

  7. undermined? by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Journalistic organizations had expressed concern that the tactic could undermine reporters' and media institutions' credibility." Seriously? you have to have some credibility and integrity before it can be undermined.

    1. Re:undermined? by reboot246 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Amen! The media has reached its lowest level of trust ever, according to the most recent poll.

      Anybody who blindly trusts any media outlet is beyond stupid.

    2. Re:undermined? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      And since when is it the job of the DoJ or any law enforcement agency or officer to consider the credibility of reporters as a whole or individually?

    3. Re:undermined? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would seem they have more credibility than the FBI.

    4. Re:undermined? by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      No, I would actually put them below the FBI. media and journalism has reached lows that is an utter disgrace. It is partly the fault of the consuming public but the idea that any credibility exists in those ranks at all nowadays is laughable.

  8. Standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If new standards were installed, why does the current case not have to comply with the updated rules. They were installed for a reason?!?

  9. Oh fuck you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Reporters and media institutions" have already ruined their own credibility.

  10. Oh my no.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "could undermine reporters' and media institutions' credibility"

    LMFAO, really? Like they had any credibility left that could be somehow undermined?

    Still, I loathe to see the FBI behaving like this... disgrace. All they have managed to do is continue to shred their own credibility much like CNN does hourly.

    1. Re:Oh my no.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok. You were doing fine with the first part but than you went & blew it.

      WHY do you 'loath the FBI behaving like this...'?

      We take Comey to task everytime he opens his mouth about encryption (for good reason), and tell him law enforcement just needs to stick to 'good old fashioned investigation'...that is EXACTLY what this is, simply using modifications due to modern times and you STILL don't like it.

      I guess you just think criminals should just go free entirely, if law enforcement just happens to catch someone in the act then and only then should they arrest them...yeah that'll work.

  11. They're policy not law by Bruce66423 · · Score: 1

    The new standards are not retrospective, but provide rules for the future. They are not a function of a court order, but a change implemented by the FBI on its own initiative. It therefore has no impact on previous events.

  12. That's bad... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't do that.

    For the same reason why when the cops asked if they could 'borrow' our ambulance to serve a high-risk search warrant because they wanted to catch the suspect unaware...the suspects will start shooting real ambulances.

    --
    There's no place like ::1 (I've completed my transition to IPv6)
    1. Re:That's bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is anything sacred any more though?

    2. Re:That's bad... by NG+Resonance · · Score: 1

      Money and power.

    3. Re:That's bad... by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      The hunt for Osama wound up seriously hurting efforts to eliminate polio, because nobody in that part of the world counts on doctors and nurses to not be working for the CIA.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  13. Impersonation is a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Impersonation without authorization is a crime. FBI agent committed a crime. It's illegally obtained information. Common sense says it should be thrown out. I would be pissed at the agents involved for compromising an investigation into domestic terrorism. How badly can you fuck up a slam dunk case?

    1. Re:Impersonation is a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who did they impersonate? They claimed a false profession, but did they claim to be a specific individual? Did the perp think it was Katie Couric sending him the link? Or did he think it was Joe Snuffy, intrepid reporter (who doesn't really exist) trying to get the interview and sending the link.

      There was nothing illegal done by the FBI.

  14. Interesting book about this topic in espionage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's an interesting book about these sorts of tactics used in espionage called Fair Play: The Moral Dilemmas of Spying by James Olson, who was a former CIA case officer:

    https://www.amazon.com/Fair-Play-Moral-Dilemmas-Spying/dp/1597971537

    It speaks specifically as to whether the CIA should and does pose as aid workers or reporters as well as the consequences of such action. It's been years since I read the book, but I thought that he said that the CIA did neither. That, of course, turned out to be a huge lie. The CIA posed as aid workers in Pakistan to find Osama Bin Laden and that set back the polio vaccination efforts considerably. Lies aside, I found some of the discussion on the topics interesting and it relates to what the FBI did. Namely, what are the consequences for impersonating or going undercover as a kind of person that in general, as a society, we want to trust.

  15. FBI policies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to ... the Department of Justice, the operation was in line with the FBI's undercover policies at the time.

    The new Department of Justice report noted that, today, this activity would require greater authorization, under an interim policy on impersonating members of the media that was adopted by the FBI this June.

    Why are the opinions (policies) of the FBI at all relevant to whether or not this activity was fine? Shouldn't the DOJ be looking at the law instead?

  16. First Amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An argument can be made that it violates the First Amendment for the FBI to do what they did. Is the press truly being left free to operate unhindered by the government if the government has agents posing as members of the press? Granted, they were only deceiving one person, but doesn't the lone suspect they were going after still have the right to live in a country where the press, as it pertains to him, is free of government infringement? Would it have been acceptable for the FBI to impersonate a priest in order to gain the suspect's trust and to elicit evidence from him?

  17. Cat let go of their tongue? by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    Now the AP cries fowl. Why weren't they speaking out against abuse of other reporters and news organizations?

  18. Warrant please? by shaitand · · Score: 1

    Who cares about the journalist thing, that is the definition of going undercover. But you can't put on a girl scout uniform and bug my computer, install cameras, wiretap me, search (including digital searches), etc.

  19. Re:cara menggugukan kandungan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google wouldnt translate that text for me. I figured it was something offensive but still wanted to know what it said. Had to use yandex to get a proper translation.

  20. And people say Snowden's actions hurt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is on par with the CIA doing DNA collection voa vaccination programs. Real journalists everywhere are at risk now because maybe those rebels/terrorists will think they're FBI. Sometimes the ends Just does not justify the means.

    Whata bunch of irresponsible bastards.

  21. What about the cable guy? by Agripa · · Score: 1

    Contrast impersonating a news professional with impersonating a cable repair person:

    http://arstechnica.com/tech-po...