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California Enacts Law Requiring IMDb To Remove Actor Ages On Request (hollywoodreporter.com)

California Gov. Jerry Brown on Saturday signed legislation that requires certain entertainment sites, such as IMDb, to remove -- or not post in the first place -- an actor's age or birthday upon request, reports Hollywood Reporter. From the report: The law, which becomes effective Jan. 1, 2017, applies to entertainment database sites that allow paid subscribers to post resumes, headshots or other information for prospective employers. Only a paying subscriber can make a removal or nonpublication request. Although the legislation may be most critical for actors, it applies to all entertainment job categories. "Even though it is against both federal and state law, age discrimination persists in the entertainment industry," Majority Leader Ian Calderon, D-Whittier, said in a statement. "AB 1687 provides the necessary tools to remove age information from online profiles on employment referral websites to help prevent this type of discrimination."Bloomberg columnist, Shira Ovide said, "Congratulations, IMDB. You have now become the subject of California law." Slate writer Will Oremus added, "Sometimes I start to think California is not such a bad place and then they go and do something like this."

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  1. Comment by WallyL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't that directory information? I suppose removing it from imdb.com makes it harder to learn an actor's age, but it's still out there people. You're in the public eye. Knowing exactly how old Natalie Portman is because imdb prominently displays it doesn't change anything.

    1. Re:Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, it applies to entertainment databases that are under the jurisdiction of California law.

    2. Re:Comment by operagost · · Score: 4, Funny

      Natalie Portman is still so fresh-faced. Just doesn't look her age. Must not have aged while she was petrified.

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    3. Re:Comment by saloomy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wikipedia is not an "entertainment database". This law is ridiculous and I hope IMBD, et al sue California in federal court for violating its 1st amendment rights. How can you enact a silencing law that only silences certain people? Isn't that discrimination? There are age-related anti-discrimination laws already on the books, and they should be plenty sufficient for protecting actors as well as all other kinds of labor.

      Excuse me, would you kindly tell me where the land of free is?

    4. Re: Comment by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm probably going to be going against the grain here, but I think the entertainment industry is probably one place where age discrimination is reasonable.

      Think about it: Imagine Anthony Hopkins playing the role of a young teenager. Sure, he's a really talented actor, but it would just be really...odd... Unless the movie is supposed to be a comedy or something.

      I'm sure Barbara Hudson will chime in and label me as hateful and bigoted, but what can you do.

    5. Re: Comment by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Think about it: Imagine Anthony Hopkins playing the role of a young teenager. Sure, he's a really talented actor, but it would just be really...odd... Unless the movie is supposed to be a comedy or something.

      I'm sure Barbara Hudson will chime in and label me as hateful and bigoted, but what can you do.

      And then Hopkins will play her in the inevitable biopic.

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    6. Re:Comment by dunkindave · · Score: 5, Informative

      This law is a violation of 1st Amendment. Pure and simple. If I were IMDB, I wouldn't comply.

      Note the law only applies if the person has a paid subscription to the site. That means the site has entered into a commercial contract with the person, and the rules then change somewhat. If IMDB wants to post ages or birthdates, the law doesn't stop them, as long as they don't accept money from the party in question. As soon as they accept money, their rights fall under contract law and are subject to other laws as set forth by statute. No one is forcing them to accept the person's money.

      Think of it like a person rents an apartment. Before they rent, there is a big political sign on the apartment's windows, which the renter doesn't want on HIS window. Having a law saying the tenant can decide what, if any, information is posted on the window isn't a violation of the building owner's first amendment rights, since the contract has shifted aspects of control of the property. Having a law that says if you CHOOSE to offer a certain service, like the ability to modify information about you on a website, then other requirements also come into play, such as the ability to decide whether an age/birthdate are included, is permitted and isn't a violation of the First Amendment.

  2. Only IMDB? by Hartree · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, we'll have it that Wikipedia can post age data about an actor or some other public figure, but IMDB can't?

  3. Actors Age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of displaying age:

    Age: This actor is so ancient they do not wish it displayed.

  4. I doubt Hollywood has an age discrimination issue by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems unlikely to me that Hollywood has an age discrimination issue. It seems much more likely that Hollywood has a looks discrimination policy, and merely hiding the numeric age of an actor or actress isn't going to resolve this.

    If an actor doesn't look the age for a part, they're not going to get the role. Trying to hide their "real" age won't help with that. Nothing short of completely changing Hollywood culture - and, really, American culture - to not be so youth-focused will change that. And that's not an easy task, and certainly not something this law will help with.

    This is clearly a "this is something, so we're doing something about the problem!" law. It won't help in any way, but at least it's a bullet point on some lawmaker's resume!

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  5. And IMDB cares about this *why*, exactly? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Registrant Organization: IMDb.com, Inc.
    Registrant Street: Legal Dept, PO Box 81226,
    Registrant City: Seattle
    Registrant State/Province: WA"

    Dear California: How about "go fuck yourself". That a good answer?

    Oh, you don't want IMDB operating in your state? Perhaps you could build some sort of Great Firewall. That's worked out so well for China (and North Korea).

    1. Re:And IMDB cares about this *why*, exactly? by cdrudge · · Score: 3, Informative

      IMDBPro, the paid service that the entertainment industry can subscribe to for finding work (among other things), appears to be based in Santa Monica based on the careers page. That'd make it subject to California law.

  6. That makes perfect sense by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That makes perfect sense, in California politico-legal logic. This is, after all, the same state that gave us the glorious legal logic "racial discrimination is mandatory by law because racial discrimination is illegal".

    1. Re:That makes perfect sense by barc0001 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not to mention their idiotic proposition 65 that forced the labeling of everything and every location that might cause cancer with:

      "WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm."

      Which as it turns out is now posted EVERYWHERE. I remember going there for business and it was posted in the elevator of the hotel because I'm not even sure why, but probably one or more of the materials somewhere in the building triggered it. But it's everywhere, gas stations, grocery stores, banks, hardware stores, there's even a sign at Disneyland for God's sake.

      The net effect is if the warning is everywhere, everyone ignores it.

  7. New IMDB feature by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Click here for a list of actors who are so insecure that we cannot show you their age. Next to it you find a link to their Wikipedia entry."

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  8. An utterly pointless filter. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Hollywood actually gave a shit about age as much as this article claims they do, then plastic surgery wouldn't still be running rampant today.

    Hollywood cares about how you look, not how old a piece of paper says you are. They've cast plenty of twenty-somethings as teenagers, and the sheer power of makeup has allowed actors and actresses of all ages to portray dozens of roles that are either much younger or much older than their actual age. I find this particular information filter totally pointless.

  9. Re:Hollywood aren't the consumers by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Funny

    I understand that California is now moving to repeal the law of gravity. It seems it's not fair that some people weigh more than others.

  10. Stupid law by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Funny

    But, is there some angle where we could blame Republicans for it?

  11. Why not just...? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not just allow their birthdays to be posted, but forbid addition and subtraction?

  12. Re:Yup by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You think the Supreme Court cares about Constitution? What rock are you living under?

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  13. Re:Hollywood discriminates on age, race, gender... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems unlikely to me that Hollywood has an age discrimination issue.

    Oh they certainly do have an age discrimination issue, particularly for female actresses.

    Society has an age discrimination issue. Most of us, even women, would rather look at a fresh-faced young girl than at a woman with lines on her face. We'd rather look at perky boobs than saggy ones. Is it even possible to fix the problem of age bias in Hollywood, and if so, would that actually help address the problem of age discrimination in society? Or would there just be a lot of bitching about how feminist laws are compromising entertainment, ala Ghostbusters? (I don't have an opinion on that movie, which I haven't seen; I'm only characterizing the complaints.)

    If an actor doesn't look the age for a part, they're not going to get the role.

    That might have some credibility if they didn't also hire actresses who do not look the role at all. See Emma Stone in Aloha. See whitewashing. Same thing happens with them hiring actresses who are FAR too young for the role they are playing.

    Yeah, I thought that was a bullshit argument, too. The truth is that they're going to hire the prettiest, most popular actress to play the role, and part of that means hiring the youngest one that can more or less carry it off because that's what puts asses in seats. I shouldn't have to be the one to tell you this, either. The degree to which youth equals beauty has been explored nigh unto death by everyone and their mom, especially as she ages.

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  14. Re:Yup by John+Jorsett · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bad law bring it to the Supreme Court and get it overturned. IMDB probably has mega money from all that advertising they run on their site. They have plenty of money for a lawsuit

    There's something wrong when you need "plenty of money" in order to assure your rights aren't violated. We need to modify the system where, if you challenge a bad law and prevail, you get your legal costs reimbursed.

  15. Re:Accuracy? by John+Jorsett · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If IMDB is going to post ages of people for whom age is a crucial factor in their career, they better be absolutely damn sure they are getting it right.

    The fix for that is to allow the actor to demand a correction if the information is wrong, not ban the display of age entirely.

  16. Odd by Archfeld · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was under the impression that Birth, Death, and marriage information was publically available in California.

    http://www.cdph.ca.gov/certlic...

    It would seem that this law is in violation of the existing laws, but IANAL, nor am I a rich 'celebrity'. Hollywood folks seem generally above most laws, or at least shielded from them.

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  17. Re:Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It should be a "loser pays all" system. That would stop a lot of frivolous suits.

    It would stop a lot more non-frivolous ones from people who have a legitimate claim but not the resources to beat a team of $500/hr lawyers.

  18. Re:Yup by amicusNYCL · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Recently in Wisconsin, our Republican Gov and Legislature had to reimburse Planned Parenthood over a million dollars for legal expenses when the latest anti-abortion law was thrown out.

    Luxury! Here in Arizona we have a sheriff who openly violates court rulings, gets hit with contempt of court, and our lawmakers still approve $50 million or so of taxpayer money to fight his legal battles.

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