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Apple Logs Your iMessage Contacts - And May Share Them With Police: The Intercept
The Intercept is reporting that despite what Apple claims, it does keep a log of people you are receiving messages from and shares this and other potentially sensitive metadata with law enforcement when compelled by court order. Apple insists that iMessage conversations are safe and out of reach from anyone other than you and your friends. From the report:This log also includes the date and time when you entered a number, along with your IP address -- which could, contrary to a 2013 Apple claim that "we do not store data related to customers' location," identify a customer's location. Apple is compelled to turn over such information via court orders for systems known as "pen registers" or "tap and trace devices," orders that are not particularly onerous to obtain, requiring only that government lawyers represent they are "likely" to obtain information whose "use is relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation." Apple confirmed to The Intercept that it only retains these logs for a period of 30 days, though court orders of this kind can typically be extended in additional 30-day periods, meaning a series of monthlong log snapshots from Apple could be strung together by police to create a longer list of whose numbers someone has been entering.
Even the turn-on dialog for Siri on the Mac says it will go through your Contacts list so Siri can 'know more about you'. Not good.
You know, back in the Soviet Union you at least only got locked up and shot if your father was a crook, but in the free world it's already enough to know one.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
told in 30-day extensions of a court order.
So there's a chance of Tantric SMSs from Sting?
If you think for one moment that Apple, Google, FB, Twitter, etc don't log shit, don't share your shit with law enforcement/government, or even remotely give two fucks about your privacy.... you need to get your head out of your ass.
Do you really think the board of directors gives a flying fuck about you? They care about making money.
The message contents are encrypted & "zero knowledge", but I'm not aware of a method to route messages between user devices with "zero knowledge".
Tor makes it more difficult to trace, but it's not impossible when you have the NSA's resources.
-- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
You think Hillary can save us? The laws don't apply to her, so we already know where this will go. Tyranny for every American, except the Clinton Crime Family.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
OMG! Apple logs pretty much what any half-decent firewall or web server logs every time anyone sends a request/packet through it: source, target, timestamp.
Shock! Horror! Headphone jacks! ...
Seriously, people are clutching at straws now.
And about location. Sure, an IP address can give you a location, if you consider "I'm somewhere in the Mall, or adjacent areas within reach of the wif signal" a "location".
It's not exactly granular. And with ISPs deploying carrier grade NAT (more common that you might think), IP address based location is worthless.
who would ever believe their lies.
...if YOU don't encrypt it, it is NOT encrypted.
That goes for metadata, too.
As for Trump, when he's president, the only laws that will apply to him will be those of his employer's country.
The laws of Russia.
Since you need that to route using the internet protocol. And, yes, it is possible to attach a location to an ip address. Which may not necessarily match your real location.
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You think Hillary can save us? The laws don't apply to her, so we already know where this will go. Tyranny for every American, except the Clinton Crime Family.
Worse, American public is mostly impulse-driven, which leads to familiarity and inner-thoughts of popularity. Read to the end of this comment before getting pissed, because single sentences don't explain the entire picture, please, people. In other words, Clinton has a bonus with so many people because they're biased in her direction because they've seen and heard of her before, and saw her as a past political figure. Plus, many women will vote just to see a woman in office next. NO NO NO, don't flamebait mod this because I said that; I am fine with a woman making it into office, but not one that did what she did - the gender is irrelevant when it comes to her behavior.
Secondly, Trump had at least one "reality show", which directly ties minds of the audience that watched the show in his direction.
People are more driven by television than reality, hence the reason advertising is structured the way it is. That taken into account, come on. Unless you're completely ADD or have bias against bias being real, it's pretty easy to predict who will make it into office next. There are people who are into reality TV and it caught their attention. A percentage of viewers were female (I don't have exact numbers but it's not that hard to figure out). Since they see Trump as a show that keeps their eyes tied to the TV, and observing the way he treats people, it adds additional weight (or totally swings it) for females to vote someone into office who is both female and, in the back of their mind, a victim of people like Trump.
She'll make it in next unless she's found to have broken more laws that make it impossible, or health issues. Bookmark this comment and reply on election day ;)
BTW, Michael, I'm not picking on you. Making more of a generalized comment based on your thought train. Good one, BTW!
Wow, what an insightful comment: "She'll make it in next, unless she doesn't."
Hey, I have some predictions, too:
- The sun will come up tomorrow, unless it doesn't.
- Water will be wet tomorrow, unless it isn't.
- The sky will be blue tomorrow, unless it isn't.
Bookmark it, and come back to tell me how prescient I am when the sun comes up tomorrow, or when it doesn't.
This is hardly new news. Envelope information is available on many platforms.
Apple cooperates fully with the law. The parts that make the news are when they correctly construct some part of their system such that they don't have the key to it, and refuse to do their best to crack it.
The fact that Apple logs their own queries to route messages (each one can be delivered over their network, or over SMS) is unsurprising. The fact that they deliver a log should be completely unsurprising. iMessage is end to end encrypted, but that doesn't mean it magically loses the need to be routed. When you send an iMessage, your destination address is a PHONE NUMBER. The fallback delivery message is SMS. Of course it needs to have some method of figuring out who gets an iMessage and who gets an SMS.
Who seriously believe that anything they do via their smartphone, are not snooped on by some governmental institution?
I didn't say "unless she doesn't". I said, " unless she's found to have broken more laws that make it impossible, or health issues."
Read: things that make it absolutely impossible for someone to make it into office based on law, even if they receive the majority vote count.
If she doesn't have a health problem that prevents her from making it in, and she doesn't have a criminal offense that can't be covered up, she'll make it in. I don't even know why I'm responding to a troller. Because I don't, unless I do.
And exactly what do you think the ultimate corporate shill will do about corporate privacy transgression?
Make an insincere speech while taking millions of dollars of donations from the people she's speaking against?
Demand some flawed, ineffectual, and loophole-riddled legislation that will never pass in Congress?
This might come as a galloping shock, but President != Emperor
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People are more driven by television than reality, hence the reason advertising is structured the way it is
Actually, if history is any judge, Lyin' Trump will be the next President (Cthulu help us!) and instead of Lyin' Hillary (Cthulu help us!) because for the simple fact that Trump is the TALLER candidate. Plus, it doesn't help that he's a male, and even many females still believe that "President" is "man's work".
Seriously. Look it up (the height bias). Doesn't work as much for the Electrical College; but for the Popular Vote, it is true more than 2/3 of the time.
And if you watched the Debate, at the end when they are standing together side by side, you can clearly see that Trump (who is 6' 3") is a full "head" taller than Clinton.
Sad but true. We are not smart.
BOO on the troll modder. Your opinion is quite brisk and lacks explanation of your ideas, but I read it pretty well. I guess we're not allowed to have feelings and express disgust and hopelessness on here.... if it doesn't agree with all others' feelings, that is.
Damnit! Your data is solid (electrical college was a good laugh BTW, thank you).
In these situations, it's frustrating to not have in-line and stable data sources for evaluation. I hate People. Not you, not you. Just People with a capital P.
I encourage everyone still being deluded into believing this kind of thing is new to look up lawful interception via Google.
This shit is a common component in all cellular communication networks.
Damnit! Your data is solid (electrical college was a good laugh BTW, thank you).
I've called it that for so long I have to stop and think to say "Electoral"... ;-)
I hate People. Not you, not you. Just People with a capital P.
Yeah, well most people here hate me, too; so either way is ok, I guess!
But I hear ya. I generally hate "People" (Capital "P") as well...
No worries there mate. I am one of those people who aren't voting for either of them. Call my vote wasted, and that is fine, I couldn't vote for McCain, Obama, or that Mormon guy. I couldn't vote for GWB, Kerry, or Gore. And so on back to about Reagan (when I was young and stupid) whom I voted for. But that was the last of the two party candidates I actually voted for.
People misunderstand my attacks on Hillary as being "Pro Trump", which only exposes their illogical binary logic, "If you not for me, you're against me" (A. Skywalker/Darth Vader). I was recently accused of "hate" towards Hillary, and I said that I didn't hate her, I had contempt for her. Hate is a different connotation than contempt, but some people can't figure out how words have different meanings. I have similar contempt for Trump, and I don't hate him either.
I reserve the word "hate" for people that I have a visceral dislike for, and they actually have to have done something pretty awful to me or my family or friends. Wanna know someone I "hate" (he's probably dead now, may he burn in hell) it is ...Brad Bishop (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_Bishop) I would quite literally kill that motherfucker if I ever see him. I would literally beat the crap of of that guy, and gut him, feed his own entrails to him, and say "Eat Shit and die asshole" ... THAT is hate.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
No president can save "us". But collectivism thinks the "us" we elect, can save the "us" we are. Because we (us) end up shirking any responsibilty we (us) have to save ourselves. And then, we wonder why 8 years of Clinton, 8 Years of Bush, 8 years of Obama and we're not "saved" yet (and quite possibly worse off than ever).
So, Boo me all you want, but my views are on my profile, and you can review them all you want. Hillary is just another in a long line of people promising things she cannot deliver. I have no doubt that Trump is doing the same. The ONLY person speaking of what they ACTUALLY can deliver, is Gary Johnson. But everyone is too busy arguing over who is worse, Hillary or Donald. And if that is the real debate, then we are doomed.
It is a tie, they are both the worst.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
GOOD FOR the troll modder, because the post (the grandparent to this post) was full of lies.
Or rather don't trust your "Mobile Surveillance Device" that, to add insult to injury, you paid for yourself. It is as simple as that.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.