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FCC Votes To Upgrade Emergency Smartphone Alerts (cnn.com)

After recent bombings, the Federal Communications Commission has voted to update the four-year-old emergency smartphone alerts system, which is used by officials to ping smartphones to alert people of severe weather, missing children, terror attacks or other danger. Some of the new changes allow the system to send texts with links to pictures, maps and phone numbers. CNNMoney reports: The agency also voted to allow longer messages -- 360 characters, up from 90 -- and to require wireless providers to support Spanish-language alerts. Wireless carriers will be allowed to support embedded links later this year. They'll be required to next year. The system's limits were on display last week when millions of New Yorkers received a text alert seeking information on Ahmad Khan Rahami, suspected in bombings in New York and New Jersey. "See media for pic," the alert said. Emergency alerts still won't include embedded photos, but commissioners said they're open to the idea. "Vague directives in text about where to find information about a suspect, just as we saw in New York, are not good enough," said Jessica Rosenworcel, an FCC commissioner. "As we move into the 5G future, we need to ensure that multimedia is available in all of our alert messages." Not everyone was so sure. Michael O'Rielly, another commissioner, said adding links and multimedia could jam cell networks during emergencies.

103 comments

  1. Alert! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Red Alert?

  2. Don't care, already turned off by whoever57 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After the alert mechanism was misused in my state for an Amber alert for an incident hundreds of miles away, I turned these alerts off.

    I suspect more people would turn them off if they knew how (it's not obvious on Android -- used to be in settings, but then moved into the messaging app).

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    1. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      After the alert mechanism was misused in my state for an Amber alert for an incident hundreds of miles away, I turned these alerts off.

      Exactly the same here: After I was woken up from sleep at 2AM by an Amber Alert for a child that purportedly missing 200 miles away (who turned out to be with her father) I turned the alerts OFF.

      However, in their favor, the adjustments to the alert system also are going to improve the geographical targetting, so that they will be more narrowly broadcast to just the areas affected:
      http://nymag.com/selectall/201...
      http://www.theverge.com/2016/9...

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    2. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      Exactly the same here. Didn't get my wits scared out of me at 3 AM, but I heard about it the next day and immediately disabled the stupid thing.

    3. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a really outdated phone. It runs Android 2.3.6 Gingerbread and has a hardware keyboard.
      I've been around people who get these alerts, but never got one myself.

    4. Re:Don't care, already turned off by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      The alert on my phone was used to find a child 200 miles away. What more need be said. ---no question mark.

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    5. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh hell yeah I turned it off. After getting woken up for Amber Alerts, Emergency Alerts early in the morning for events nowhere near me, that shit got disabled quickly.

      I'll take my chances on severe weather events. Odds of something worse like nuclear war, no alert will matter anyway. And the Amber Alerts while helpful are no use to someone asleep.

    6. Re:Don't care, already turned off by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Yup. Amber alert from San Diego woke me up at 1am in San Francisco. I hunted down that setting and turned it off that same night. Though that is such a seldom-used setting that each new iPhone since then has had it's one amber alert to remind me that the "feature" still exists and I need to kill it.

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    7. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here.
      All of the recent "Amber Alerts" around here have been the result of family squabbles, usually over custody. This would just be snark... if it wasn't for the fact that I knew the Garcia side of the Swartz-Garcias slightly, so I don't find this trivializing of the Law the least bit funny.

      What I did find funny... There was a national Emergency Broadcast Test by FEMA yesterday. When they last tried it a few years ago, the Alert was overlaid on top of an inserted Lady Gaga video by mistake. This time... it was Jimmy Swaggart. If there had been a "Real Emergency", who are they planning for it, Pee-Wee Herman?

      Captcha: bogeyman

    8. Re:Don't care, already turned off by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 1

      I was driving on my twisty, deer-riddled, surprisingly high-traffic back county road when the loudest, most annoying noise I've ever heard from inside my car scared the crap out of me. I had absolutely no idea what sound could be coming from because I had disabled notifications on my phones before driving. It actually took me a few minutes to figure out that my iPhone was giving me an Amber alert for somewhere far enough away to not be relevant to me, and definitely far more distracting than glancing at a text message. As soon as I could, I pulled over and disabled all emergency alerts. Those things are dangerous!

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    9. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same. It's one of the first things I disable after flashing a new ROM. I don't want to receive spam messages and I certainly don't want to receive spam from the US government. What is important to them isn't important to me.

    10. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A million times this. It's not appropriate for my cell phone to start going off the fucking wall from these kinds of events. I would be happy to leave the alerts on if it was treated like other notifications on my device: user-set ringtone and momentary vibrate. Doesn't have to be a binary choice between completely off or completely nuts without hacking the device / third party apps.

    11. Re:Don't care, already turned off by somenickname · · Score: 1

      I suspect more people would turn them off if they knew how (it's not obvious on Android -- used to be in settings, but then moved into the messaging app).

      I suspect that the *only* people that hear these alerts are the people that don't know how to turn them off.

    12. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if they were close to me, I don't give a shit. I have my own problems to worry about, I can't be be a superhero busybody crime fighter taking care of other people's problems.

      Also, isn't law enforcement PAID to handle this shit? Why aren't they doing their fucking jobs instead of trying to pawn it off on to us?

    13. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be two different types where you could configure settings/notification times. I am ok being notified 24/7 and woken up a when I am in danger such as an Earthquake, however I wouldn't want to receive a notification for an Amber style alert if I am in a meeting or sleeping - or at least if it was received the phone shouldn't ring or vibrate.

    14. Re:Don't care, already turned off by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2

      However, in their favor, the adjustments to the alert system also are going to improve the geographical targetting, so that they will be more narrowly broadcast to just the areas affected

      I kind of doubt that will make a difference for amber alerts. I think the idea is that the kidnapper can have driven a long ways away by the time the alert is made, so they will invariably make it blanket a large area. I still turn off the amber alerts though because every time I've had one happen, I've either been in bed or been in my office with no chance of hitting the road to be able to see the perpmobile speeding away.

      I also turn off the severe weather alerts because we routinely get severe heat warnings (which I've received while riding my bike one time and I didn't feel hot at all) flash floods (if you're in an area affected by a flash flood, then the warning is already too late, and if you get stuck in one after the fact you're retarded and probably deserve to get a Darwin award) and dust storm warnings (honestly, who gives a fuck?)

      I leave the extreme weather alerts on but have yet to ever get one, but I'm in Phoenix Arizona where there's basically no such thing as natural disasters.

    15. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The alert on my phone was used to find a child 200 miles away. What more need be said. ---no question mark.

      What more needs to be said is how that alert ON YOUR PHONE was used to find that child 200 miles away. Be specific. Words like "When I got that alert, I [took action X] that resulted in finding a child that was 200 miles away from me" would be good. The words "the alert was received by someone else who [took action Y] ..." don't count when you claim it was the alert ON YOUR PHONE that resulted in the save.

      Otherwise this is just more nonsense and arrogance from someone who claims he's been here since the big bang and likes to say 'fuck you' to other people.

    16. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enable AMBER alerts. The AMBER alerts are designed and function explicitly to broaden the search for people harming kids. Some here are dismissing them as reactionary but the reality is time is important for catching these demons, especially before they can act.

    17. Re: Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Send it to every gas station. Or only from towers sling highway. Ringing every phone is stupid. Think of the children! Why terrorize my kids?

    18. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have a smart phone, but missing child alerts are also sent via NOAA weather radios which I do have. I specifically bought a radio that I can set the alerts that I want to receive because of the 3-4 times weekly 3 am missing child alerts from towns 200+ miles away from me. This radio can be set to only receive alerts from counties that I choose (S.A.M.E.). I think that I should only receive missing child alerts from those counties as well. Since that is not the case, I have disabled missing child alerts on my radio. I am very unlikely to spot a missing child as I only go out on short trips to the store, my doctors office, and to visit friends.

      I have chosen to not be needlessly awakened in the very early morning by these alerts that I can do nothing about. I don't have children, and pay little attention to others children.

    19. Re: Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ~99% of the time "abductions" are by a family member. I don't need to be woken up over a custody dispute, even if it's 1 mile away.

    20. Re: Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if they stop using amber alerts for custody disputes people would care more.

      The child is with their father, the horror!

    21. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, I won't because I don't give a shit. I have my own problems and loved ones to worry about. Solve your own problems, you entitled fuck.

    22. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      just be thankful your phone doesn't buzz five times in a night for a supposedly 'required' "monthly" test like our cable box does, that fucks up whatever you were doing (even if you weren't watching actual 'tv' but rather a stream, recorded show, or listening to the digital music instead) and half the time you have to reboot the box.

    23. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Enable AMBER alerts. The AMBER alerts are designed and function explicitly to broaden the search for people harming kids. Some here are dismissing them as reactionary but the reality is time is important for catching these demons, especially before they can act.

      And every single other zealot with every other single goal will use the same argument.

      You might not like it, but the cellular phone system is going the way of the land lines, as in becoming useless.

      And the increasing frequency of political calls, the escalating alert system (seriously why on fucking earth do I need a photo of some place that has just suffered a disaster? or many more characters? All of this feature creep just puts the amber alerts and the weather alerts and the disaster alerts and the endless spamming as background noise.

      And if you are connected to a University, you can get alerts for sexual assault as well. Oddly enough, none seem to go to court, but you can be woken up at 4 in the morning to learn that an unknown person was sexually assaulted by an unknown person at an unknown time and an unknown place and was reported by an unknown person. And someone thought it was really important that we get that notice. They are in other words, required to let me know that someone made a prank phone call one night.

      I don't have the time in a day to be alerted or deal with all of the people and groups that think I really really really need whatever it is they really really really need to tell me.

      So the alerts get turned off, and the phone is not answered unless it is someone in my address book.

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    24. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      There should be two different types where you could configure settings/notification times. I am ok being notified 24/7 and woken up a when I am in danger such as an Earthquake

      Mother nature has it's own alert system for earthquakes. It's a vibrate, and it can't be turned off.

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    25. Re:Don't care, already turned off by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Same here.

      I use an old Android phone as an alarm clock. It doesn't have cell service but was still hooked up to the wifi. I was awoken one morning for a severe weather alert that was not even in my location.

      I turned that function off.

      Interestingly, my main phone (a Microsoft Lumia) does still have the alerts turned on and appears to only give relevant alerts.... not sure how or why that would be... isn't it the same system?

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    26. Re:Don't care, already turned off by omnichad · · Score: 1

      why on fucking earth do I need a photo of some place that has just suffered a disaster? or many more characters?

      Photos would be for suspect/victim. More characters would be to include more languages. And I'm sure they wouldn't do anything as smart as matching the language of the alert to the language set on the phone and hiding the others.

      Neither are bad ideas, but unlikely to be worth it if there was ever an emergency big enough that cell networks are slammed. The real problem are what they are choosing to count as an "emergency." I mean sure, Japan bombs Pearl Harbor or planes crash into building - every phone should maybe light up. Most of the rest, probably should be categorized and allowed to be silenced or de-prioritized (or allowed to follow your phone's alert settings, like vibrate-only).

    27. Re:Don't care, already turned off by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not if it's off the coast and creates a tsunami.

    28. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The real problem are what they are choosing to count as an "emergency." I mean sure, Japan bombs Pearl Harbor or planes crash into building - every phone should maybe light up. Most of the rest, probably should be categorized and allowed to be silenced or de-prioritized (or allowed to follow your phone's alert settings, like vibrate-only).

      Bingo! All of the zealots will tell you their emergency is teh important one. We had an amber alert locally when a young boy was 5 minutes late getting home from school. We're talking the the dogs, the police every available emergency personnel scrambled into action.

      It was a nice day, and he had just walked a little slower, enjoying the day. Flowers, cool insects. Sunshine. Stuff that makes for enjoyment in life. in 10 minutes, the emergency responders were told to stand down. I wonder if he was punished for walking slower?

      And that was a total life threatening emergency with a statewide emergency response. A little fellow took a little longer than usual to get home.

      We are soooooooo screwed up.

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    29. Re:Don't care, already turned off by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that.

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    30. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with what? Non-sequitur much?

    31. Re:Don't care, already turned off by Bengie · · Score: 1

      We get flash flood warnings before the weather hits. Saw a blob of red about 1/4 the size of the state, figured something was going to happen. About 4 hours before the storm got here, flash flood warnings went out.

    32. Re: Don't care, already turned off by Bengie · · Score: 1

      One of my cousins was worried about her children walking to school a few blocks. My other cousin did a bit of digging and found out only about 5 children are abducted per year in our state, nearly all of them are the parents, and the one here or there are close friends of the family. There has not been a kidnapping by a stranger in many years.

  3. Useless system. by Charcharodon · · Score: 0
    The FCC needs to fuck the right off.

    How many people are they killing a year by disrupting sleep (which results in accidents) and distracting drivers with those "alert" texts that are rarely applicable?

    1. Re:Useless system. by msauve · · Score: 1

      It's also a free speech issue. We have a right to be free from government mandated speech - the FCC is overstepping its authority.

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    2. Re:Useless system. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      My favorite was when I was working in a large office shortly after this was pushed out in both Android and iOS, and the carriers turned it on - there was an Amber alert and you could hear that loud as fuck sound coming from hundreds of phones across the building and everyone wondering what in the hell was going on.

      And why is that alert three times louder than any other sound the phone is capable of making? Are the just begging for people to get pissed and turn it off?

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    3. Re:Useless system. by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      How many people are they killing a year by disrupting sleep (which results in accidents) and distracting drivers with those "alert" texts that are rarely applicable?

      Probably about the same amount as the people who had an aneurysm reading this insanely stupid comment.

    4. Re:Useless system. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The FCC needs to fuck the right off.

      How many people are they killing a year by disrupting sleep (which results in accidents) and distracting drivers with those "alert" texts that are rarely applicable?

      I sincerely hope this is a Poe.

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    5. Re:Useless system. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, the 'vigilance' (amber, wanted person) alerts shouldn't be as annoying, I do like having the weather alerts however, a tornado warning can be as annoying as it wants (for a few seconds).

  4. Next update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next update: you cannot disable alerts, even by turning your phone off or even running down the battery. Subsequent release: government gets "notifications" from your phones, too.

    1. Re:Next update by PPH · · Score: 2

      Only members of the the Inner Party can turn off their Telescreens.

      I forget. Did the citizens of Oceania have to buy their Telescreens and pay for monthly service?

      Feature phone FTW!

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  5. It is *MY* phone... not yours... by markdavis · · Score: 1

    As long as we, the consumers have FULL CONTROL over what alerts we get. We should have the ability to turn off/on whatever we want. If you (the government) want to have them on by default for new devices, fine; but we should be able to decide how and what to get. Don't act like you (the government) have some *right* to communicate with our devices in any way you choose.

    For example, I don't give a **** about amber alerts, there are days I am not out in the public and it serves no purpose but to annoy me. And I have apps that already give me CORRECT weather alerts. The ones through the carrier's forced app were always WRONG- scaring the crap out of me or waking me from sleep with super-loud sirens and stuff for things HUNDREDS of miles away that posed zero threat.

    1. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      No you don't have full control now.
      On my phone it says at the very top of the alerts settings screen "Presidential Alerts are mandatory."

      So I can't disable those and now i'm just waiting for a president to use it for their re-election campaign.

      Otherwise I can disable "Extreme Alert", "Severe Alert" and "AMBER Alert".

      I like many others think the amber alert gives way to many alerts for crap going on in other states so it's turned off on my phone too.

      They only seem to send out the tornado warnings and flood warnings when they want to so i'm glad it's not my only source of information.

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    2. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let's see, Amber alerts are useless when:
      - you're asleep
      - you're at home and not going anywhere
      - you're at work and not going anywhere
      - you're in your car because you're not supposed to be looking at your phone while driving

      Tell me again why we have Amber alerts going to our phones?

      How many kids have actually been saved because of the Amber alert, vs the number of such alerts sent?

    3. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      It's worse than useless if you're in the car. At least with the iPhone, the amber alert alarm is a really loud screeching one that I don't believe it makes under any other circumstance and always fires off at full volume regardless of your settings. Very likely a "Holy crap WTF is that!?!?!?" moment when it goes off. Then you're distracted while you try to figure out where it's coming from and figure out it's your phone. Then you have to take a hand off the wheel and eyes off the road while you fumble to shut it off; with a bonus round of dangerous distraction if your phone is in your pocket, backpack, purse, or wherever instead of conveniently in your center console.

      Honestly, I'm actually more than a little bit surprised that the amber alert "feature" hasn't caused deaths yet from car accidents when the thing suddenly fires off.

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    4. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is that the last time a flood warning came around on my phone, it was a full 5 minutes after two weather apps had sent me a push notification for it. How is a directed notification from an application service faster than a cell broadcast?

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    5. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah? Well I run custom firmware and I have CMAS, amber alerts and presidential alert functionality completely stripped out. My phone is incapable of receiving such governmental garbage.

      Just because you don't know how doesn't mean others don't have full control. I have absolute control over my phone and it only does what I want it to when I want it to.

    6. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      How many kids have actually been saved because of the Amber alert, vs the number of such alerts sent?

      Well, they claim 830 successes. If you take it at face value, the program is an abject waste of money. They could improve road safety by a few percent and save more kids... and a whole lot more other people, too. That money would have been better spent on things like correct signage, and dividing roads which commonly have head-on accidents.

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    7. Re:It is *MY* phone... not yours... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Someone has to push the alerts to the cell network in the first place. And there are one or more government contractors involved in that...

  6. So I get this "alert" from the "authorities"? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    And I'm just suppose to click on a link...

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    1. Re:So I get this "alert" from the "authorities"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can just see something like this happening.

  7. Here in KC by wjcofkc · · Score: 0

    I have found this system useful. Although it is painful to hear that emergency signal go off minutes before the sirens go off, it may yet save my life. Also, I can attest that it has returned at least a couple small kids to their rightful guardian over the years. One of these was not a relative but an outright pedophile. To the detractors who say, "But it cannot be disabled!"... I cite my second experience over the first of my own life and say so fucking what? Are you going to complain about the TV you no longer watch and the radio you no longer listen to? Fuck off and I hope you never have kids in a situation that makes you oh so personally give a shit. Now find some flawed grammar and call it out.

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    1. Re:Here in KC by tippen · · Score: 2

      I have found this system useful.

      So enable it on YOUR phone and let everyone else decide whether they want it or not on their phones.

    2. Re:Here in KC by wjcofkc · · Score: 0

      No.

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    3. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, right back at you: Fuck off with your "won't somebody please think of the children" bullshit. If you're a parent, be a parent. You made that choice for yourself, and it's yours to own and live with the consequences. Don't foist your parental responsibilities off on those of us who've, for whatever reason, decided that we don't want kids ourselves.

      I neither have nor want children. And being gay, that particular form of accident is impossible. So keep yours to yourself, and I'll refrain from going on about how awesome my second vacation is every year.

    4. Re:Here in KC by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Only on Slashdot does this get modded down. For the children? Of course.

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    5. Re:Here in KC by lgw · · Score: 1

      Nothing more tired, played out, and stupid as a "for the children" argument.

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    6. Re:Here in KC by wjcofkc · · Score: 0

      I am going to reply to myself one time and one time only. Under one ID or another I have been on here since day one. I remember when this sprouted from Malda's Chips and Dips. Why under one ID or another? Because of the bullshit majority that I see responding to this. Fuck you and fuck you. I had a three digit ID? Why not still? Because fuck you and fuck you. I remember when Rusty had the right idea. Too bad that went the way it did... Otherwise I might be having this conversation with at least half-way intellectual people who understand grand-scope notions of government and authority. And I support Johnson! Fuck you and fuck you all the way up to 964164. And fuck you for modding this instead of saying something smart or smart ass!

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    7. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you explained how it could save your life you wouldn't have been voted down. If you're an adult, which you must be if you've had a three digit ID, then no one will release an Amber alert when you're kidnapped. The police won't even start looking for you until you've been gone for a few days. If you are a kid, then learning some basic martial arts would be far, far, far, far, far more useful. Never rely on someone else for your personal safety. If you'd commit suicide if your kid disappeared, then you're a bad parent. So again, how could it save your life? It could easily kill it by causing crashes by startling drivers.

      If you're concerned about your kids then teach them martial arts, how to scream for help, how to contact home, and how not to go places with strangers. If you're relying on the police or the Amber alert system to help your kids, you've already failed, especially with the increasing chances of the police taking away your kids because you 'allowed' one of them to go missing.

      What's the most effective way to keep your kids safe? Murder all your relatives and spouse. They are the people most likely to do something bad to them. But personally I'd go for the martial arts training.

    8. Re:Here in KC by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      Sorry, My taxes pay for the people to actually fix those things.

      I don't need to be alerted by an amber alert in channahon when I am shopping in south chicago heights - that was when I disabled the stupid thing.It's over an hour away from me and to be honest, it was a description of a black honda car.

      So like, how many of them are there?

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    9. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      three digit number and ranting.

      My apologies - Dementia happens often in your age group.

    10. Re:Here in KC by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Exactly. There have been many examples where this system completely fails - a kid missing from San Diego, yet Amber alerts being broadcast in San Francisco, 500 miles north. Or an Amber alert for a kid in Cincinnati, OH that isn't broadcast into either Kentucky or Indiana, which are less than 20 minutes away from downtown Cincinnati if there is no traffic. Kentucky is just over one of the bridges from downtown FFS.

      Or, reverse that and they do broadcast into Kentucky and Indiana - I'm sure people on the outskirts of Chicago really give a damn.

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    11. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False equivalence. My phone is not like a tv or a radio.

      With the older devices the Alerts were something I actively had to choose to consume. My tv or radio had to be powered on and already in use on a channel that had its regular progrsmming replaced with the alert. If I wasn't using my TV? No alert. No interruption.

      With a cell phone the alert broadcast will punch through whatever I am doing on the phone to get my attention. It does not replace an existing media feed that I am consuming, it overrides the task I am performing with a new one entirely. Worse, thus phone will wake up and present the alert to me if it is idle but still powered and connected to the network.

      We tend to be okay with the latter style of interruption when they are relevant to us (text messages, phone calls). They piss us off greatly when they aren't relevant.

    12. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... hear that emergency signal go off minutes before the sirens go off ...

      This has no context; I don't know what you're talking about.

      ... may yet save my life.

      Because you're the child of a custody battle involving deranged parents or because you're a child prone to climbing into cars for sweets?

      ... TV you no longer watch and the radio you no longer listen to ...

      Why is the fact I can switch-off that crap, relevant to the fact I cannot switch-off Amber alerts (crap)?

      ... have kids in a situation ...

      An alert at 2AM is a lesson to switch-off or mute the phone before bed. An alert from 200 miles away is demanding me be responsible for a problem I cannot fix, and most times the child isn't in any danger, just difficult to find: How about checking the child's known haunts before pressing the panic button? I believe in the "It takes a village ..." meme but it's not my job to panic ASAP because the special snowflake of a single mum didn't arrive home on time.

      Let's not forget the number of stereotypical kidnappings (where the abductor intends harming the child) is less than the number of children killed by guns (in the USA) or children killed by drunk drivers. If you truly "think of the children", gunshot deaths are the priority because there is no control procedure or alert system for limiting those.

    13. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      It was modded down because you are an irresponsible little millennial shit trying to pass your issues off on to other people. From now on, just shut the fuck up.

    14. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the fuck are you prattling on about? Are you off your meds or something? Nobody gives a shit about you or your alleged account history with Slashdot. How about instead of posting you go die horribly in a fire?

    15. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol @ martial arts. Prancing about pretending to know how to fight isn't going to help anything. If you want your kid to be safer, teach them how to actually fight, not some pussy shit based on ring rules and honour.

    16. Re:Here in KC by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      One of these was not a relative but an outright pedophile.

      Most kiddie touchers are relatives. Having a kiddie toucher not be a relative doesn't make them more of a pedophile. It actually makes them unusual.

      To the detractors who say, "But it cannot be disabled!"... I cite my second experience over the first of my own life and say so fucking what? Are you going to complain about the TV you no longer watch and the radio you no longer listen to?

      What the fuck are you on about? I don't complain about the TV and the radio because they don't turn themselves on to tell me about something I don't need to know about. If it's 10 PM and I've been at home all day, an AMBER alert will do precisely no good. The phone has enough sensors to decide whether I need this alert without phoning home.

      Fuck off and I hope you never have kids in a situation that makes you oh so personally give a shit.

      I won't, because I didn't make any. We have too many people on this mudball already. So not only have I already avoided saddling the earth with another human who will drive the planet farther into toxic debt, but I don't need to kill people through distraction and sleep loss in order to preserve their safety.

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    17. Re:Here in KC by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I have found this system useful. Although it is painful to hear that emergency signal go off minutes before the sirens go off, it may yet save my life. Also, I can attest that it has returned at least a couple small kids to their rightful guardian over the years. One of these was not a relative but an outright pedophile. To the detractors who say, "But it cannot be disabled!"... I cite my second experience over the first of my own life and say so fucking what? Are you going to complain about the TV you no longer watch and the radio you no longer listen to? Fuck off and I hope you never have kids in a situation that makes you oh so personally give a shit. Now find some flawed grammar and call it out.

      Who says it can't be disabled? And who says they you are the determinant of what other people's phones do?

      Let's use your logic.

      We need a newer and better amber alert system. Did you know that some people have theirs alerts turned off? Did you know that there are still some people who don't have smartphones or televisions or have those turned off as well?

      In order to achieve the needed granularity for the effective deployment of Amber alerts, we must immediately send police door to door to alert every citizen of a missing child. And anyone who does not admit the police to be informed, must be charged with child endangerment, as they might have had the one clue that would put the child back with their rightful guardians.

      I just wrote what you did, only took it to the next level.

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    18. Re:Here in KC by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Fuck you and fuck you. fuck you and fuck you. Fuck you and fuck you all the way up to 964164. And fuck you for modding this instead of saying something smart or smart ass!

      It's sad when someone mixes meth, coffee, and a desire to control others.

      Chillaxe, brah - you can't control other people, and you're tearing yourself apart with anger in the attempt. I suggest Valerian root capsules, maybe some St John's Wort as well. Even out those moods without turning yourself into a prescription drug zombie.

      And if you want the alerts, by all means take them. But you can't demand that others do that.

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    19. Re:Here in KC by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Most kiddie touchers are relatives

      I'm not sure that still holds statistically when there's an abduction involved.

    20. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another member of the CANT/MUST party. Personal choices? No, you can't.

      That kind of reasoning is precisely why people try to ignore everything you say. You're constantly telling them what they must and must not do, even if it's quite frankly, none of your business.

    21. Re:Here in KC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TL;DR wjcofkc, get used to it. The Internet has made it much harder to not have that shit called out. And no, it's not always about (what) you (value).

    22. Re:Here in KC by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure that still holds statistically when there's an abduction involved.

      I don't know either, but I'd guess that it does, because most abductions are by relatives. But hey, maybe those particular groups don't overlap much.

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    23. Re:Here in KC by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I would bet that most abductions by relatives are custody-related. I'm not sure there's a reliable source on numbers for something so specific either way.

  8. wow really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do people actually turn these alerts on. I never have turned them on and never will... I have better shit to do...

    1. Re:wow really by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      They are all enabled by default when you buy the phone.

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  9. Never look back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something about my phone causes it to not receive MMS messages (though SMS works fine). Does that mean I won't get alerts in this 5G future?

    1. Re:Never look back by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      Your phone likely won't be able to recive the new version of alerts no but neither will anyone else's current phone unless they add support in a software update.

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  10. phone is a terrible alert device by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    Phone is good for specific people to call you when needed. i.e. alarm tech, plumber, physician, EMT on standby. Or when calling ARES/RACES hams when needed. Weather alert, there are those radios that activate to NOAA alert transmission. Amber alerts, BOL for stolen vehicle, robbers, etc. the phone is something at first glance might be useful but everyone will suffer alarm fatigue and eventually will ignore further alerts. Probably news media more effective, or those that monitor police on their scanners might be useful.

    Few years ago I had my phone on county alert system, one late night it makes the most horrible loud sound for a missing child in some town far away from where I live. I then signed off from that system. There was a story where 2 million New Yorkers were awaken at 2 am when stolen car alert was sent to everyone's phone.

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    1. Re:phone is a terrible alert device by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      It also depends on how many cell towers still have full battery power or mandated working generators, fuel supply, expert staff to keep generators working.
      Or staff on site to fix a generator that stopped after a very short time or that never started.
      The move away from POTS with extended exchange power to complex copper, part optical or coax digital phone networks may also have short term power options over time.
      AM and FM radio might be the only network left when small battery backup fail on cell and other phone networks. Generators may not exist, may not start or fail due to lack of standards, poor quality testing or service of generators seen as a cost to be reduced once installed.
      Private telco networks might lobby to have very few standards, have "digital" only networks for emergency services that reduce any costs on their for profit networks.
      The final step will be party political demands for a gov in power to push down its policy solutions during any event.

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    2. Re:phone is a terrible alert device by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You say a phone is a terrible device but all your complaints are related to alarm system mismanagement and none about the user of a phone itself. A device used by the majority of the people you wish to alert is a good device.

  11. Just a moment .... incoming message by PPH · · Score: 1

    "The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
    but I have promises to keep.
    And miles to go before I sleep,
    And miles to go before I sleep."

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  12. opt in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The entire system should be opt in for those chicken scratches that the government and media keep in constant fear. If I pay for something, I want complete control. That goes for my house, car, computer, phone, and anything else that politicians want control of. I want liberty and freedom.

  13. Perfect malware delivery system by justcauseisjustthat · · Score: 1

    Can you imagine hacking the system and sending out an alert with a link to malware, beautiful .

    1. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by BlueStrat · · Score: 0

      Can you imagine hacking the system and sending out an alert with a link to malware, beautiful .

      It's better than that.

      The system itself is malware!

      The only ones who get these typically-useless/out-of-locational-context alerts anyways are people with smartphones. Good luck warning Grandma or the poor with this waste of tax money who don't and likely will never have a smartphone. But thank God Mr. & Mrs. BMW get alerts at Starbucks paid for by the working-poor while they sit and sip their $8 lattes!

      Strat

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    2. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by ledow · · Score: 1

      My very first thought.

      And I'm sure there's a switch somewhere that means it gets delivered to you even if you've opted out (I'm assuming that's possible), in case there's a serious incident.

      One hacker, brief access to the system, and a malicious link or even just photograph if they can craft it just right, and make it look innocuous so people look at it and just delete it rather than get into a panic. Voila... millions of compromised devices.

      Seriously, this is the most big-brother feature I've ever heard of. We might have emergency broadcast in my country but I have literally never received one, ever, on any device. Presumably because we reserve them for fecking emergencies that require EVERYONE to panic, rather than whatever car chase is going on nearby.

    3. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The only ones who get these typically-useless/out-of-locational-context alerts anyways are people with smartphones.

      Conjecture, nothing to do with technology. I've received one such alert, for a chemical plant on fire a few streets away. A quick survey of people I know showed it was only given to people within the immediate vicinity. The fact that some idiots misuse it has nothing to do with the technology.

      Good luck warning Grandma or the poor with this waste of tax money who don't and likely will never have a smartphone.

      Yeah 76% of the people in my country have smartphones. 2/3rds of Americans have smartphones. Using this features is such a waste of taxpayer dollars because ... errr... wait what else do you propose can instantly get in contact with that proportion of a population with location context? Because it seems to be about the most cost efficient targeted alert system available.

    4. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's better than that.

      The system itself is malware!

      The only ones who get these typically-useless/out-of-locational-context alerts anyways are people with smartphones. Good luck warning Grandma or the poor with this waste of tax money who don't and likely will never have a smartphone. But thank God Mr. & Mrs. BMW get alerts at Starbucks paid for by the working-poor while they sit and sip their $8 lattes!

      Strat

      Congratulations for making one of the most non-sequitur, incoherent rants I've ever read.

      Now quick - call me a libtard or spout some nonsense about me trying to take your guns away.

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    5. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the latte-sipper.

      Quick! Assume anyone who has a different view from yours must be a nutjob!

      Oh, wait...

    6. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Found the latte-sipper.

      Quick! Assume anyone who has a different view from yours must be a nutjob!

      Oh, wait...

      Plain coffee, one half and half, one equal thank you.

      Starbucks sucks, unless you want coffee that tastes like burnt pond mud. And latte is much too sweet wherever it comes from.

      As for opinions, Bluestrat is incorrect about who has smartphones, as in a large majority of us have them now, even the pofolk. I don't have a BMW, I drive a Jeep.

      His post is a non-sequitur because the amount of money one has no relation to either having a smartphone, or age to having a smartphone, or the type of vehicle to a smartphone, or the type of coffee one likes.

      to a smartphone.

      Or Amber alerts.

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    7. Re:Perfect malware delivery system by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine hacking the system and sending out an alert with a link to malware, beautiful .

      I do not have to; I have a system with Microsoft Windows.

  14. The FCC Who Cried Wolf by Maltheus · · Score: 1

    Despite living in an area that gets tornadoes, I decided I'd to take my chances and shut it off, rather than have my smartphone screech at me, every time somebody is having a domestic dispute.

    1. Re: The FCC Who Cried Wolf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should just get rid of the sound. Most people would see the alert anyway.

  15. Disabled by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Don't use them, don't need them. Just another way for the government to make you "feel" safe. Bunch of useless crap!

    1. Re:Disabled by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Hey everyone, I found the anti-establishment man who's never lived through a serious crisis before.

      No doubt you'll be the first to complain about not being informed when everyone else is hiding in shelters because of [insert disaster here]

    2. Re:Disabled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wolf-crying story coming to mind, much? What's the point of alerts if people are habitually ignoring them?

  16. Not a kidnapping tool, a child custody tool by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    Enable AMBER alerts. The AMBER alerts are designed and function explicitly to broaden the search for people harming kids.

    That's what they are sold to the public as being.

    What they actually are is a big hammer that divorced couples who hate each other can use against each other in custody disputes.

    "But the system rarely works as well as that. In a 2008 article in Criminal Justice Review titled “Child Abduction, AMBER Alert, and Crime Control Theater,” Timothy Griffin and Monica K. Miller argued that “AMBER Alert has not achieved and probably cannot achieve the ambitious goals that inspired its creation.” Griffin and Miller examined data from hundreds of AMBER Alerts issued between 2003 and 2006, and dubbed the AMBER Alert system a “theatrical policy” that was largely ineffective in helping save kidnapped children. “In most cases where they were issued, Griffin found, Amber Alerts played no role in the eventual return of abducted children,” the Boston Globe wrote in 2008. “Their successes were generally in child custody fights that didn't pose a risk to the child. And in those rare instances where kidnappers did intend to rape or kill the child, Amber Alerts usually failed to save lives.” ...

    "...those sorts of kidnappings are very rare. The vast majority of child abductions in this country are committed by relatives or acquaintances—estranged parents and such who usually mean the children no harm. Even though AMBER Alerts are only supposed to be issued in “the most serious child-abduction cases,” they are nevertheless used in domestic cases like these—cases where, Griffin argues, AMBER Alerts might actually serve to escalate an otherwise manageable situation. "

    Reference: http://www.slate.com/blogs/cri...

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  17. Successes? Maybe. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many kids have actually been saved because of the Amber alert, vs the number of such alerts sent?

    Well, they claim 830 successes.

    Well, here's the very first item on that list of "successes": a custody dispute, where the "kidnapper" had dropped the child off with relatives.

    And that's typical. This is what they claim as "successes": the non-custodial parent has the child. Rather than issuing an AMBER alert, maybe the police could have just called the relatives of the missing child?

    February 29, 2016 - Hayden, AZ

    A non-custodial father abducted his 2-year-old child after assaulting the child’s mother. An AMBER Alert was activated as the child was believed to be in imminent danger. Later, the abductor dropped the child off with relatives. Multiple people made the relatives aware of the AMBER Alert and the family notified law enforcement. The child was safely rescued and the abductor later arrested.