At my startup in Austin, we have only 2-3 people in Engineering under 40 years old. No way we could have gotten the product launched with a bunch of developers barely out of school.
When I'm hiring, it's the 2nd place I look for candidates once I've exhausted my personal network.
That said, the hit rate isn't great. Not hard to find people with the skills I'm looking for, but it is remarkably low odds of people responding. And that's when I make it clear I'm the one actually hiring (not a recruiter).
Order of operations for hiring:
1) personal network
2) LinkedIn search
3) recruiters/headhunters
Have you never been involved with hiring for a large business? That is exactly what fortune 500 do. It's a way to depress salaries.
HP and IBM big enough for you? Several years at both and hired many people personally, not to mention the people hiring managers reporting to me hired. Never saw that sort of behavior.
Same's true from my time at mid-sized companies and early-stage startups.
Interviewing candidates isn't exactly "fun". You celebrate that you filled the position and move on to the 1000 other things on your TODO list. There's no time to keep interviewing for a position you've already filled.
What people never seem to realize is that reference checks are rarely just the ones the candidate provides on their resume.
The hiring manager looks on LinkedIn and, more often than not, finds someone that they know (directly or indirectly) that worked with the candidate. Those are the reference checks that tell the real story.
Glad to hear it. Restores a bit of my faith in humanity given some of the other responses in this topic.
Ethics? Professionalism? What are those?!
If nothing else, people should learn that the world isn't all that big. It's very rare when I'm more than 2 or 3 connections away from someone that worked with people that interview at my company. Do you really want that reputation to follow you on your career?
I'd be hesitant about using this practice, especially in small markets where everyone knows each other. Our college placement office had a story of a student who accepted an offer from a company but continued to go on interviews afterward. They got another offer, but the partners of the two companies (accounting firms) talked to each other and found out what happened and both rescinded their offers.
How dare someone shop for competitive offers. Did your college placement office notify applicants that those employers colluded with each other to limit competition for prospective employees? Did it permit those employers to continue to interview on campus? If so, why?
Reading comprehension fail... It's not that they were interviewing with multiple companies. That's perfectly normal. The problem is they kept interviewing after they accepted an offer. It's the equivalent of a company continuing to interview people for a position after someone has accepted the offer but not started yet.
When I'm hiring for a position, there are 3 phases I go through:
Contacting people I've worked with directly or referrals from people I've worked with.
Searches on LinkedIn for skill/experience matches
Using recruiting firms
If the candidate is local, then I try to meet them for coffee somewhere for an initial chat. Much better than a voice or video call.
You run out of people you know personally quick, so having a photo on LinkedIn helps tremendously at the coffee shop. Much easier than just saying "Are you Joe?" to everyone that walks in and looks like they might be looking for someone they don't know.
My guess would be "not many." Abolishing it would instantly disenfranchise 90% of the states as presidential elections would be effectively decided by NYC and LA/SFO.
Well my solution is that I only answer if I recognise the incoming number (family, friends, co-workers and the office). If I don't recognise the number, I let it go to voicemail; if it's important the caller will leave a message and I'll call them back promptly. This way I talk to the people that are important and filter out the rest.
This. It's the same way I manage calls. Works great.
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It's simple: overhead bag space. If board towards the end, you are gate checking your bag or having it crammed where your feet belong.
At my startup in Austin, we have only 2-3 people in Engineering under 40 years old. No way we could have gotten the product launched with a bunch of developers barely out of school.
bingo!
When I'm hiring, it's the 2nd place I look for candidates once I've exhausted my personal network.
That said, the hit rate isn't great. Not hard to find people with the skills I'm looking for, but it is remarkably low odds of people responding. And that's when I make it clear I'm the one actually hiring (not a recruiter).
Order of operations for hiring:
1) personal network
2) LinkedIn search
3) recruiters/headhunters
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No, but the people you screwed / worked with are, so the bridges you burn are still just a short hop away.
HP and IBM big enough for you? Several years at both and hired many people personally, not to mention the people hiring managers reporting to me hired. Never saw that sort of behavior.
Same's true from my time at mid-sized companies and early-stage startups.
Interviewing candidates isn't exactly "fun". You celebrate that you filled the position and move on to the 1000 other things on your TODO list. There's no time to keep interviewing for a position you've already filled.
What people never seem to realize is that reference checks are rarely just the ones the candidate provides on their resume.
The hiring manager looks on LinkedIn and, more often than not, finds someone that they know (directly or indirectly) that worked with the candidate. Those are the reference checks that tell the real story.
That's not colluding to hold down wages. That's not hiring someone that has demonstrated that they are unprofessional and unethical.
Glad to hear it. Restores a bit of my faith in humanity given some of the other responses in this topic.
Ethics? Professionalism? What are those?!
If nothing else, people should learn that the world isn't all that big. It's very rare when I'm more than 2 or 3 connections away from someone that worked with people that interview at my company. Do you really want that reputation to follow you on your career?
Quitting a job with no notice is different than ghosting. Ghosting is where they don't bother to quit, they just stop coming to work.
Reading comprehension fail... It's not that they were interviewing with multiple companies. That's perfectly normal. The problem is they kept interviewing after they accepted an offer. It's the equivalent of a company continuing to interview people for a position after someone has accepted the offer but not started yet.
bingo
[cough] bullsh*t [/cough]
If the candidate is local, then I try to meet them for coffee somewhere for an initial chat. Much better than a voice or video call. You run out of people you know personally quick, so having a photo on LinkedIn helps tremendously at the coffee shop. Much easier than just saying "Are you Joe?" to everyone that walks in and looks like they might be looking for someone they don't know.
Had a blast with that game back in the day! Not exactly an MMO, but was the first real multiplayer game I experienced over dialup.
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Fun fact, for most of human history, there was no such thing as a job. It's a relatively modern construct and an artificial one.
They still had to work, so still the same fundamental notion as a "job". If they didn't work to survive, they starved to death, froze to death, etc.
Settings -> Display Density -> Compact
Not quite as dense as pre-Material Design, but reasonably close.
Or you could just click the "Reply All" button that's right below the email. It's conveniently between the "Reply" and "Forward" buttons.
Material Design sucks, but let's stick to the ways it actually sucks instead of making crap up.
That is all...
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My guess would be "not many." Abolishing it would instantly disenfranchise 90% of the states as presidential elections would be effectively decided by NYC and LA/SFO.
bingo
Well my solution is that I only answer if I recognise the incoming number (family, friends, co-workers and the office). If I don't recognise the number, I let it go to voicemail; if it's important the caller will leave a message and I'll call them back promptly. This way I talk to the people that are important and filter out the rest.
This. It's the same way I manage calls. Works great.
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