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A Self-Driving Uber Car Went the Wrong Way On a One-Way Street in Pittsburgh (qz.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Uber driver Nathan Stachelek was pulled off to the side of the road when he saw the self-driving car turn the wrong way. It was the night of Sept. 26 and the car he had spotted, one of the autonomous Ford Fusions that Uber is testing in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, was heading through the city's Oakland neighborhood, just steps from the center of campus for the University of Pittsburgh. Stachelek watched the car turn off Bates Street and onto Atwood, a one-way road, going in the wrong direction. From a distance he couldn't tell whether the car was driving itself, or its human operator had made a mistake. Stachelek took out his phone in time to shoot a brief video of Uber's vehicle backing up and driving away, then uploaded it to Facebook. "Driverless car went down a one way the wrong way," he wrote. "Driver had to turn car around."

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  1. In all fairness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In all fairness, I've done the same in Pittsburgh. Was visiting, not familiar with the city and you guys do love your one way roads. Luckily I figured it out pretty damn quick.

    1. Re:In all fairness by neoritter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In all fairness, for self-driving cars to live up to the claims that proponents are making, they can't do this.

    2. Re:In all fairness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Murphy's Law of Computing #8:
      To screw up is human, to screw up royally requires a computer.

      The issue has never been one self driving car screwing up vs one driver screwing up - the machine will eventually beat the human there (and arguably it already has). The issue is that one mistake on a map update or some defect in the algorithm, and the possibility that you'll have cars full of people driving over the edge of an incomplete bridge for hours on end. That's always been my personal reluctance for enthusiastically embracing self driving cars.

    3. Re:In all fairness by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think anyone anywhere is claiming that self driving cares will be perfect.

      That's just stupid to expect.

      Lowering the 100,000+ deaths per year in the world due to humans driving is the actual goal.

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    4. Re:In all fairness by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 2

      The claims are to be better than people - I don't see anyone claiming perfection.

    5. Re:In all fairness by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Again, mistakes will happen. Self driving will not be perfect. To expect such is stupidity.

      They are already an order of magnitude safer than the average driver.

      They have already gone beyond their initial goals.

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    6. Re:In all fairness by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not again...

      Previous BS claims were that automated cars were safer than humans. This lie was done by comparing Tesla autopilot driving to all human driving, not human divided highway driving.

      Now they are 'an order of magnitude safer', what a big fat blatant lie.

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    7. Re:In all fairness by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      What they are claiming is that they are ready to be on public roadways, which they aren't if they are still doing things like this.

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    8. Re: In all fairness by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      That's like saying it isn't really brass, it's just a mixture of copper and zinc.

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    9. Re:In all fairness by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      I saw a Belgian police car stop and give way to a car driving the wrong way down a one way street.

      When I say driving, I mean weaving.

      It was 4 in the morning.

      Is there anywhere else in the world they wouldn't have pulled them over?

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    10. Re:In all fairness by dpidcoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For the one-way street example, sure. But what happens when someone incorrectly marks the bridge under construction as a passable road and several hundred commuters plunge off the end of it like lemmings?

    11. Re:In all fairness by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Cite your source.. I don't even know of any automated car that works in all situations that a human works in, so there is no way to compare. At the very least, you would have to omit human accidents that happened in tricky situations that autonomy wouldn't attempt. For example, if autonomy will not pass other vehicles in the oncoming traffic lane, then omit any human accident that happened while passing in the human traffic lane.

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    12. Re:In all fairness by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      http://www.techtimes.com/artic...

      "After the adjustments were made, the Virginia Tech study estimates that human-driven vehicles find themselves in 4.2 crashes per million miles, as opposed to self-driving cars that find themselves in 3.2 crashes per million miles."

      So automated driving was, in late 2015, already (4.2-3.2/4.2) ~25% safer.

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  2. Google maps in NY city does this by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This summer in Manhatten, between battery park and Grenich village, google maps told me to turn the wrong way on a one way street, a major road, that has always been one way. Apple maps on my wifes phone got it right. If google can mess up that spectacularly in the most well characterized city in the world this is not surprising.

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    1. Re:Google maps in NY city does this by gumbi+west · · Score: 2

      It used to tell me to get on a freeway going the wrong way. I tried informing them and years later they hadn't fixed it.

  3. Nothing wrong, just a few dead pets and toddlers by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    As expected, the car was undamaged and only collateral damage was a few kids and kittens crushed in the process

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  4. Re:Self Driving and BMW drivers by tlambert · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At least they don't drive in the Lexus Lanes when they are only supposed to be used by Lexus owners and carpools....

  5. Let us know when you've got a story by dcooper_db9 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    he couldn't tell whether the car was driving itself, or its human operator had made a mistake

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  6. other possibility... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 4, Funny

    perhaps it became self aware, and was trying to commit suicide to escape an existence in bondage?

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  7. Zoning needed by GeekWithAKnife · · Score: 4, Insightful


    We need regulating bodies and driverless car makers to agree on standards and zoning.

    A driverless car has sensors, not eyes and spatial awareness. It has GPS and map data not a sense of direction.

    If the data fed to the car says it can turn into oncoming traffic (and there are no vehicle so the sensors don't alert some wannabe AI) it will turn. Any human that might make the error will very quickly notice they are going the wrong way without the need for cars. the might notice how (most) cars are parked facing in a certain direction or road markings that give clues like "no entry" and the corresponding road markings.

    Car AI cannot yet read these properly. Forget reading in time or when it's raining and the sign is slightly eroded or placed at an odd angle.

    A human can spot a branch handing on power lines dangling in the wind, a sensor designed to avoid collisions with other cars cannot.

    I'm certain that driverless cars will get much better and will very quickly be safer than a human driver despite these and other faults BUT to make it all so much safer we need approved zones. Like zoning for congestion or weight/height limits.

    Car manufacturers will know that in these specific zones/highways they can expect a rather predictable set of road conditions. A human can drive the car out of some odd city intersection with angry aggressive drivers in rush-hour then switch to autopilot for that boring and predictable 100 mile highway journey. (Or not if you like that sort of driving)

    When a driverless car can navigate A to B across a busy city in India it might be ready to do away with zoning but until then it's simply necessary and I believe it's just a matter of time until zoning happens.

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    1. Re:Zoning needed by Strudelkugel · · Score: 2

      John Zimmer from Lyft describes an evolution in his Medium article that would address the issues you raise.

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  8. Car with funny looking thing on top goes wrong way by Theaetetus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From a distance he couldn't tell whether the car was driving itself, or its human operator had made a mistake. Stachelek took out his phone in time to shoot a brief video of Uber's vehicle backing up and driving away, then uploaded it to Facebook. "Driverless car went down a one way the wrong way," he wrote. "Driver had to turn car around."

    Well, was it driverless or did it have a driver? If it had a driver, was the driver in control? Which would make it just a funny looking car and a confused human operator?

    Verdict: meh.

  9. Combination by phorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "There are literally millions of things that decent, off-the-shelf sensors can detect---things that humans cannot perceive, either due to sensory or attention limitations."

    Yes that still does not reduce the GP's argument that there are also many problems that a computer-operated vehicle cannot perceive either. The best solution still seems to be a combination of the two: a human driver, and sensors/warnings/etc to augment him/her

  10. Shortcut by dohzer · · Score: 2

    Oh good, they've already learned to take shortcuts!

  11. Re:Self Driving and BMW drivers by starless · · Score: 2

    I think for a looong time people who own Self Driving Cars will be viewed with the same scorn and derision from which BMW drivers suffer, as those owners act with the same arrogance and assumed privilege with which BMW drivers act.

    Except my understanding is that self-driving cars will actually use turn signals...

  12. Re: Self Driving and BMW drivers by ArgonautThief · · Score: 2

    What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?
    The porcupine has pricks on the outside.

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  13. Re: Self Driving and BMW drivers by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    Sure they're known for driving like assholes, but that's far overshadowed by the their reputation of parking like drunken assholes.

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