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Class Action Lawsuit Grows Over iPhone 6 Plus 'Touch Disease' (vice.com)

Nearly 10,000 people have joined a class action lawsuit against Apple over the screen-freezing "touch disease" afflicting many iPhone Six Plus phones. An anonymous Slashdot reader quotes Motherboard: Lawyers who filed a class action lawsuit against the company in California earlier this fall have signed on three additional law firms to support their case, and an additional class action lawsuit related to the issue has been filed against Apple in Utah... Apple will not perform logic board-level repairs for consumers, which require soldering and reseating of millimeter-size components. This means the only Apple-sanctioned "fix" for a touch diseased phone is to buy a new one... Apple has been replacing touch diseased iPhone 6 Pluses with $329 refurbished ones, some of which are showing symptoms of touch disease within days or weeks of being replaced.
Despite contacting Apple five separate times, the reporter has yet to receive any official response, although "I have gotten hundreds of emails from consumers who have had to buy new phones to replace their broken iPhone 6 Pluses."

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  1. No touchscreen. Less flammable than a Note 7. Lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve Jobs must be rolling over in his iGrave

  2. All about Courage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Samsung has courage to issue massive recall. Apple has courage to remove headphone jack.

    1. Re:All about Courage by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2

      Buying an iPhone in the first place is evidence of not making purchase decisions based on common sense

      Well, purchased an iPhone 6+ SIM-free to be carrier-independent two years ago. And I don't plan on upgrading it until at least Sept 2017. Cost spread over 3 years. Have been using the iPhone since the "3" (no competition at the time), and it's convenient to keep using the same phone apps and tools. Tried a Samsung and clearly its ergonomics are off compared to the iPhone. This is maybe a matter of opinion but some people are more or less ergonomics-sensitive... I am. For me, it's common sense to purchase an iPhone ; until 2014 it was, at least.

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    2. Re:All about Courage by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please do not compare burning phones and degrading-over-time phones. Samsung wouldn't have issued a recall would the Note have iPhone symptoms (given how reluctant they were to issue the recall, after a lot of time and bad PR...).

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    3. Re:All about Courage by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Samsung issued the recall very early after the problems came to light. In comparison Apple usually waits a year or two before quietly issuing a replacement program, after many users threw their defective hardware away.

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  3. Refurbished by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    Apple has been replacing touch diseased iPhone 6 Pluses with $329 refurbished ones

    Stay classy, Apple

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    1. Re:Refurbished by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      What's the problem with that? Refurbished effectively is the same as repaired. Would people prefer to have their phones sent back to China for repair and wait 2 weeks? Or is this some sense of entitlement to a brand new phone I don't understand?

    2. Re:Refurbished by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple first sells the customer an expensive phone with a serious engineering defect, then adds insult to injury by replacing it by one infused with somebody else's snot. Nothing is done about the customer's wasted time or poor user experience. Classy or not classy? I leave that determination to the interested reader. Keep in mind that a new unit costs Apple much less than it costs the user.

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  4. You're touching it wrong by Lisandro · · Score: 2

    Seriously, how can you fuck up the touch experience on a touchscreen device?

    1. Re:You're touching it wrong by Lisandro · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't because this "problem" is completely fictional.

      Funny, i had a chance to play with a iPhone 6 which was experiencing this same issue just this weekend. Must be seeing things.

    2. Re:You're touching it wrong by Zxern · · Score: 3, Informative

      Weak solder and no support backing. Between heat cycling and flexing the FPGA solder weakens till it quits working.

  5. Never again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My wife and I both bought the 6+ when it came out.

    I'm on my 9th replacement unit. She's on her 7th.

    Every time we need to get our phones replaced, it takes about 1-2 days of messing around at the Apple store to make it happen. We've tried to get new phones (like, boxed units), but they won't do it. We always have to wait for a refurbished replacement. This is somewhat strange because I had a lemon MBP several years ago and after the third repair they just gave me a brand new machine. I know others who have had similar experiences with other Apple equipment- but not on the 6+. They simply flat out refuse to give us new phones.

    Furthermore, the quality of the refurbished units is below average to say the least. Some of mine have had scratches/dings/dents on the chassis (I take good care of my equipment, when I had to give them my original 6+ it was literally in NIB condition, so I think it's fair for me to expect a replacement device in equivalent condition). Others have had marks across the LCD screen. One had an intermittent headphones connector (good thing that's no longer a problem on the iPhone 7), one had an intermittent lightning connector, and yet another had a touch ID sensor that wouldn't work 100% of the time. Every time I get a new device, there appears to be more things wrong with it and the quality of the device OOTB seems to be lower than the one before it.

    It's pretty much a cluster fuck, and I'm wondering why we dropped over $1K/pop on a "premium" device only to be treated this way.

    We're both at the point where we just want reliable working hardware. We no longer care what that is, our brand loyalty towards Apple has been eroded over the years and the iPhone 6+ issues are just the icing on the cake.

    My current iPhone 6+ is already flaking out again (WiFi is intermittent, it keeps acting like airplane mode is enabled but it's not), I don't doubt it'll be long before I have to take it in again. Her iPhone is already showing signs of display corruption. We've both agreed that the next time we get them replaced, they're both going on Craigslist and we'll be switching to Android or some other hardware that we can at least depend on for 2-3 years of reliable service.

    Neither of us care about slimmer phones. We'd both happily pay upwards of $2K for a device that lasts a good 4-5 years with a battery that lasts more than a day of hard use. It's sad that Apple doesn't seem interested in taking our money, but there's not much we can do about that except to vote with our wallets, which is precisely what we'll be doing from now on.

    1. Re:Never again. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We've both agreed that the next time we get them replaced, they're both going on Craigslist

      You're selling broken phones to people on Craigslist, but how dare someone sell a broken phone to you? You're part of the problem.

    2. Re:Never again. by Princeofcups · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My wife and I both bought the 6+ when it came out.

      I'm on my 9th replacement unit. She's on her 7th.

      Assuming that this story is correct, and the fact that most with the phone never experience the described problem, it is quite obvious that you are doing something destructive with your phones to get that many to fail.

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    3. Re:Never again. by lucm · · Score: 4, Informative

      So it took 3 replacements of your Macbook and 16 replacements of your iPhones to erode your brand loyalty towards Apple?

      Maybe you need to join Al-Anon because you sir are an enabler.

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    4. Re:Never again. by Gaygirlie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not necessarily. On the PCB there is a controller whose contacts eventually come loose and that is the fault here. The OP says he and his wife are both heavy users of their respective phones, which could indicate that the phones go through a lot of contraction - and expansion - cycles due to heating up and cooling down, thus likely hastening the process of those contacts coming loose. A user who doesn't use their phone that much also won't see the issue that quickly.

      I've experienced similar issues myself several times, like e.g. the tablet I have got replaced by the manufacturer after its WiFi-chipset lost contacts due to the tablet heating; the tablet had worked great for half a year or so, but I got the Android-version of X-Com and played it quite a lot, then during the middle of one play-session the tablet lost WiFi-connection. After rebooting the tablet WiFi was gone, the system couldn't find WiFi-hardware at all. And these old laptops I have: one of them had a loose connection to the display and one of them had the connections from the GPU to the PCB loose -- both fixed with a bit of a heat-gun applied at the right spot to reflow the solder.

    5. Re:Never again. by DraconPern · · Score: 2

      If you are having that many problems with that many devices, it's probably you and not the devices.

    6. Re:Never again. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      They simply flat out refuse to give us new phones.

      And what would a new one give you? As far as anyone can tell it's a design issue. Do you think they just crank new ones out and throw the old ones away everytime someone reports a problem with the device? Be happy you get an on the spot swap and don't need to send it off for repair like nearly every other piece of electronics that suffers failure.

    7. Re:Never again. by willy_me · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell no. We are not talking about a 100W CPU/GPU, we are talking about a touch controller IC that uses almost no power. Thermal cycling due to regular use is not an issue. I am not saying that the solder connection is not to blame, just that the cause of the problem is not thermal cycling. If one is having repeated failures then they are obviously carrying the phone in such a way that it bends. The back pocket is the worst place to carry a phone, but the front pocket can also be bad. Some people do not even realize they are doing it. But one thing is certain, if you have 9 successive failures, it's you. Better odds of winning a lottery then having 9 successive failures -- or at least it is close.

      I noticed that the iPhone 7 is not any thinner then the 6+. A tiny bit thicker even. This bodes well for the durability of the 7 so it is possible Apple learned from their mistake. Not that the 6+ is defective, but it could definitely be stronger.

    8. Re:Never again. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The iPhone 6 requires about half the amount of force to bend as a comparable Samsung. Not sure about the 6+. You may recall there was a bit of a scandal at the time, the so called bendgate.

      It looks like that flexing is finally having an effect on the solder joints. People who wear tight clothing and keep the phone in their pockets are more likely to be affected.

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    9. Re:Never again. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Many manufacturers do continuous improvement of their products during their lifetimes. Cars are well known for outwardly identical looking models being different under the bonnet, but actually most consumer goods are made that way.

      Additionally, quality control improves as issues are identified and tests for them developed.

      Unfortunately Apple don't seem to do this.

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  6. Maine Implied Warranty by pgn674 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Sounds like a violation of the Maine implied warranty law. I don't know what the state can do to Apple, but there is an Apple store in the state's largest mall.

    The Maine Implied Warranty is the little known law that protects Maine consumers from being sold seriously defective items. It can be an Unfair Trade Practice to refuse to honor the Maine Implied Warranty Law within four years of sale. The basic test for possible implied warranty violations is as follows: The item is seriously defective, The consumer did not damage the item, The item is still within its useful life and is not simply worn out.

    No class action needed.

  7. This Is What You Want.... by zenlessyank · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is what you get. It repeats over & over. We all know the difference between ignorant and stupid. Keep buying Apple so I can keep laughing at you and pre-judging you. When I see that logo I know I am dealing with an idiot. /discuss

    1. Re:This Is What You Want.... by Zumbs · · Score: 2

      Futurama did something like that. Try to search for furturama eye phone. You are welcome.

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  8. Re:Don't get the known faulty device, mkay? by Lisandro · · Score: 2

    No. The point the GP is making is that you get to replace it with a different Android phone, with dozens of vendors offering very competitive models.

  9. Justice by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    Apple thought that they could just screw their loyal customers. But now with a class action suit the class action lawyers will make millions and the consumers will get $100 coupons that they can only use towards future Apple purchases (and then the cycle will repeat).

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  10. Re:EULA by Lisandro · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has that ever been enforced? Just because it is plastered on a EULA doesn't make it legal.

  11. Re:Seems familier... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    GX270/280-era 'capacitor plague'. I forget the exciting story of industrial espionage and vendor shoddiness; but for some reason a lot of substandard electrolytic capacitors made it into the supply chain. They had a tendency to swell, leak; or just derate far faster than expected. When the capacitors are supposed to be part of the circuit that supplies the CPU with appropriately regulated power, this does wonders for reliability.

    It wasn't exclusive to dell, pretty much all desktop motherboards of the period used electrolytics, and the flawed capacitors were widespread; but they had a massive number of affected units and did their best to be total scum about honoring warranties, so they came off looking pretty bad.

  12. Re:Seems familier... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Luminous Town Electric, a capacitor manufacturer, hired a scientist who worked for Rubycon Corporation, another and rather more up-market capacitor manufacturer. As part of the 'unwritten' terms of employment, he was supposed to steal Rubycon's far superior electrolyte formulation, a trade secret mix of chemicals that make Rubycon's capacitors so good. But he screwed up - accounts differ as to if he made an error, or if Rubycon management found out about the industrial espionage and swapped the formula on file for a deliberately defective one. Either way, Luminous got hold of a dud - and, thinking they now had Rubycon's famous electrolyte formula, went straight into production without testing it. They made and sold a lot of capacitors before customers realised that the new Luminous capacitors were prone to explode after a while.

  13. Let's check the scenario by stevez67 · · Score: 2, Informative

    A person buys a $700 smart phone phablet that is ~7 mm thick. There are postings on the internet of the phablets bending under stress.They don't protect it with a case or they buy a flexible case for it. They know the phone is not unbreakable, not water-proof, fragile when dropped from height. They do something to bend the phone over and over and over for months. They're surprised when the phone begins to fail. They insist that they're "entitled" to have the phone they broke replaced with a new, or upgraded model, for free. Internet rage ensues. Brand warfare postings abound and flame-wars erupt. Hilarious.

    1. Re:Let's check the scenario by RatPh!nk · · Score: 2

      Pretty much sums up this case. Please don't put long, thin phones in your (back, especially) pocket.

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