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White House Vows 'Proportional' Response For Russian DNC Hack (go.com)
After the Director of National Intelligence and Department of Homeland Security publicly blamed Russia for stealing and publishing archived emails from the Democratic National Committee on Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said today that President Obama will consider a "proportional" response. ABC News reports: "We obviously will ensure that a U.S. response is proportional. It is unlikely that our response would be announced in advanced. It's certainly possible that the president could choose response options that we never announce," Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One. "The president has talked before about the significant capabilities that the U.S. government has to both defend our systems in the United States but also carry out offensive operations in other countries," he added. "There are a range of responses that are available to the president and he will consider a response that's proportional." The Wall Street Journal report mentions several different ways to response to Russia. The U.S. could impose economic sanctions against Moscow, punish Russia diplomatically, opt to allow the Justice Department to simply prosecute the hacks as a criminal case, and/or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process. Of course, each response has its pros and cons. "They could escalate into a more adversarial conflict between both countries," writes Carol E. Lee for the Wall Street Journal. "But the absence of a response could signal that such behavior will be tolerated in the future."
Seriously, hacking Russia back is the dumbest way they could respond to the DNC (a private organization, so they keep stressing every time voter fraud is brought up) hack.
Is ANYONE really taking anything ANY politician says about ANYTHING for face value after all these Snowden, Manning, WikiLeaks and hack-leaks it should be utterly clear that the entire political class in the USA is beyond redemption and corrupted to the bone.
There is no rational discussion to have at this point. The whole system and the power players in place today are so corrupted and criminal its PROOF the media is completely in the bag to pain a picture - facebook, google, twitter, the media, the government - they all LIE by default - they lie, omit and change the narrative AT ALL TIMES.
Even secondary sources like slashdot, fark, reddit, this versioning of reality and total disregard of the facts and evidence is quite commonplace.
The reality you see online is YOUR version. You BELIEVE this version and look for snippets to support it.
But the SOURCE for many things, such as the LEAKS and EMAILS, and the like show and PROVE there is a vast concerted effort to propagandize and "PR" the news.
Liberty is dead. Publius is dead. Free speech is on the chopping block and anonymous use of the internet is about to come to a close as it has in China. We will be in mind-prisons.
Best find an Oculus and live in a false reality - the base reality we live in has turned so "1984"-ish its really quite scary.
Hillary is going after the video gamer vote so hard she promises to make Fallout real.
We are afraid. Afraid of losing our jobs. Afraid of being found out. Afraid of spending time a pariah - like snowden, manning, assange.
The level of arrogance of the political class, the oligarchs and billionaires is utterly unhinged. They buy media outlets, they collude, they weave stories and narratives the media parrots.
Try and get your "news" from many places and look at PRIMARY sources like the leaked emails for information. Anything "reported" has been changed and lied about.
if only to more easily convince his people to use domestic IT products rather than the US-made stuff (which contains backdoors for at least the US government agencies and backdoors for some far-east agencies which were added by the manufacturers who actually produced the hardware).
The DNC supposedly got hacked, not the US government. The US government has absolutely no reason to offer *any* response. The DNC might get angry about it (and maybe they can use that to continue to try to change the story away from their internal corruption) but they're not the US government.
Do you have ESP?
Two words: due process.
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OK, let me rephrase that to be more accurate:
Explain how and why based on the leaks so far that Hillary HAS NOT BEEN INDICTED.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
I refuse to watch any "NEWS" and am very selective about the Radio stations I listen to. From those, I take political comments as false and if I feel like investigating will attempt to prove otherwise. The media in the US today is at the same level of propaganda we made fun of with the Pravda in Russia back in the 80s (sorry folks, I'm a hardened old cynical bastard, much worse than your ordinary cynical bastard).
The latest hysteria about Trump for example: Trump said very clearly that he would ask his Attorney General to assign a Special Prosecutor to investigate the Clinton's. Sounds reasonable to most of us considering the amount of corruption that surrounds them (worded intentionally, so read what I wrote instead of what you want to see). Media report: Trump is going to randomly jail people. He's a dictator, he's a this, he's a that.
I have taken hundreds of hours to read transcripts and watching full speeches to validate context. I can find almost nothing the media says that is true. Nearly every allegation with the exception of McCain is over hyped bullspittle which requires a complete lack of context and cherry picking.
Meanwhile, potentially real crimes are being buried under the same hype and hysteria. Perhaps the FBI is investigating the DNC, the Media, and the Ultra wealthy responsible for some things. The Media won't report it even when there is a finding, like why is either Comey or Hillary not up on perjury charges? One of them flat out lied to the US Congress.
One thing the US desperately needs is a anti-trust case to break up the media monopolies so that we can get out of the damn echo chamber. We were warned by real journalists when they started allowing monopolization that this would occur, and dang if those people were not right.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I am pretty sure that lying to congress is a crime.
Funny how congress lying to us isn't...
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
If there's not enough evidence to actually convict you in court, then absolutely, yes.
Leaving aside the fact that you never read any of those emails either, if these so-called facts were so self-evident, then there would be sufficient basis to convict her, wouldn't there? Just how small a town do you think the entire USA actually is that you could even believe it to be realistically possible that any such incriminating evidence could have been overlooked after this amount of attention has been given to it?
But hey.... if you know of some evidence that all of the other would-be prosecuters have missed, then maybe you should consider trying to pass that along.
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Whoops. Forgot to mention lying to the FBI. That would put common people like you or I in prison.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Assuming that Russia or Russians were actually involved, what is appropriate here? Gift basket? Flowers? How do I chip in for the card?
See that "Preview" button?
Wow! Do we have to debunk this meme once again?
Lack of intent may be why she should get a reduced sentence. It does not absolve her of the crime. An NSA contractor was just arrested merely for taking some materials home — that in itself is highly illegal and qualifies him for jail time. If the investigation also proves he wanted to leak/sell the information, the charges will be upgraded.
She really does belong to jail over this — the Democrats have disgraced the US this year by nominating a bona-fide criminal.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
They're not allegations. FBI Director Comey stated that she broke the law by having then-classified documents on a public server and she didn't even turn all of them over. It's critical to understand that intent has zero basis in violating the law, nor does ignorance. Comey broke down the evidence in his own press release where he declared that they would not seek prosecution.
One is an accident that can be ignored (and that does happen). More than 30 times? That's a heavy jail sentence, apparently if your name doesn't end with "Clinton". This is made clear toward the end of the press release:
Said differently: "We would prosecute her, if she wasn't Hillary Clinton. We will prosecute you, if you do it."
Quoting from his press release:
The way this is phrased is itself misleading. It suggests that there's possibly more than seven, but there were clearly at least seven classified at the top levels of classification at the time that they were sent. That is a crime, which is clear given the previous statement indicated that they didn't intend to violate laws. Intent has no basis in violating classification laws, particularly once you get past the informal "accident" level that gets swept away with minor breaches. Seven distinct TS/SAP email chains is not a minor breach.
Who knows what they didn't find since they found thousands that were work related and not given to them. Heavily classified documents often do not get sent electronically very frequently, so there wouldn't be many traces of them lingering on the networks.
Stay focused on the Russians.
Pay no attention to the actual content of the emails.
Pay no attention to the Clinton Foundation.
Pay no attention to the media running their stories past the campaign before their editors.
Pay no attention to the...