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White House Vows 'Proportional' Response For Russian DNC Hack (go.com)
After the Director of National Intelligence and Department of Homeland Security publicly blamed Russia for stealing and publishing archived emails from the Democratic National Committee on Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said today that President Obama will consider a "proportional" response. ABC News reports: "We obviously will ensure that a U.S. response is proportional. It is unlikely that our response would be announced in advanced. It's certainly possible that the president could choose response options that we never announce," Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One. "The president has talked before about the significant capabilities that the U.S. government has to both defend our systems in the United States but also carry out offensive operations in other countries," he added. "There are a range of responses that are available to the president and he will consider a response that's proportional." The Wall Street Journal report mentions several different ways to response to Russia. The U.S. could impose economic sanctions against Moscow, punish Russia diplomatically, opt to allow the Justice Department to simply prosecute the hacks as a criminal case, and/or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process. Of course, each response has its pros and cons. "They could escalate into a more adversarial conflict between both countries," writes Carol E. Lee for the Wall Street Journal. "But the absence of a response could signal that such behavior will be tolerated in the future."
Seriously, hacking Russia back is the dumbest way they could respond to the DNC (a private organization, so they keep stressing every time voter fraud is brought up) hack.
Because Hillary and the DNC was embarrassed when trying to commit crimes.
Hillary for jail!
Is ANYONE really taking anything ANY politician says about ANYTHING for face value after all these Snowden, Manning, WikiLeaks and hack-leaks it should be utterly clear that the entire political class in the USA is beyond redemption and corrupted to the bone.
There is no rational discussion to have at this point. The whole system and the power players in place today are so corrupted and criminal its PROOF the media is completely in the bag to pain a picture - facebook, google, twitter, the media, the government - they all LIE by default - they lie, omit and change the narrative AT ALL TIMES.
Even secondary sources like slashdot, fark, reddit, this versioning of reality and total disregard of the facts and evidence is quite commonplace.
The reality you see online is YOUR version. You BELIEVE this version and look for snippets to support it.
But the SOURCE for many things, such as the LEAKS and EMAILS, and the like show and PROVE there is a vast concerted effort to propagandize and "PR" the news.
Liberty is dead. Publius is dead. Free speech is on the chopping block and anonymous use of the internet is about to come to a close as it has in China. We will be in mind-prisons.
Best find an Oculus and live in a false reality - the base reality we live in has turned so "1984"-ish its really quite scary.
Hillary is going after the video gamer vote so hard she promises to make Fallout real.
.... or that it was Russians...
Who benefits from the leaks? we do. You know - the citizens of the world.
if only to more easily convince his people to use domestic IT products rather than the US-made stuff (which contains backdoors for at least the US government agencies and backdoors for some far-east agencies which were added by the manufacturers who actually produced the hardware).
I'm being serious, I'm not sure what a proportional response would be. Attacking any their infrastructures would seem heavy handed, if not a invitation to war. Such as using something like stuxnet. At the same time, attacking their financial institutions would just invite a similar response.
Restore the madness of youth's lechery
The DNC supposedly got hacked, not the US government. The US government has absolutely no reason to offer *any* response. The DNC might get angry about it (and maybe they can use that to continue to try to change the story away from their internal corruption) but they're not the US government.
Do you have ESP?
ok lets not care about security, lets put convenience on the forefront and then start an electronic war rather than deal with the actual cause.
well that has been our modus operandi when it comes to actual wars and foreign policy so why change now.
time to invest in the next gen govt electronic military industrial contractors. yayyyy raytheon stock will go up
So lets shit can the major two parties and vote for Gary Johnson. Hillary stole the election from Bernie on top of being a liar and a criminal and enabling her husbands rape of women and the list goes on. Why anyone would vote for her is beyond me.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
But for the youth of today..
Looks like they are winding up to repeat McCarthyism
http://www.historyinanhour.com/2010/02/26/joseph-mccarthy-and-the-cold-war/
I guess the great terrorist threat is starting to run thin with the general public, time to buff off that good old standby.
After all, you have to keep the unwashes masses worried that SOME evil is looming over them, and only more government power and secrecy can protect them!
Its not like we have not seen it all before.
Hopeless.
That's what the fucking idiots in the whitehouse apparently are: hopeless shits who are too busy trying to figure out who has the biggest dick to even *think* about the long term consequences of this kind of action.
What the fuck are they even thinking they will accomplish by retaliating? It doesn't take two seconds to realize that all that will do is escalate the situation.... while obviously the whitehouse shouldn't just ignore it, the sensible thing to do is harden their defenses against such attacks so that no damage is incurred if another hack happens in the future.
Seriously.... this is how wars start. And considering the powers that are involved, this can't possibly end well.... for anybody.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
I refuse to watch any "NEWS" and am very selective about the Radio stations I listen to. From those, I take political comments as false and if I feel like investigating will attempt to prove otherwise. The media in the US today is at the same level of propaganda we made fun of with the Pravda in Russia back in the 80s (sorry folks, I'm a hardened old cynical bastard, much worse than your ordinary cynical bastard).
The latest hysteria about Trump for example: Trump said very clearly that he would ask his Attorney General to assign a Special Prosecutor to investigate the Clinton's. Sounds reasonable to most of us considering the amount of corruption that surrounds them (worded intentionally, so read what I wrote instead of what you want to see). Media report: Trump is going to randomly jail people. He's a dictator, he's a this, he's a that.
I have taken hundreds of hours to read transcripts and watching full speeches to validate context. I can find almost nothing the media says that is true. Nearly every allegation with the exception of McCain is over hyped bullspittle which requires a complete lack of context and cherry picking.
Meanwhile, potentially real crimes are being buried under the same hype and hysteria. Perhaps the FBI is investigating the DNC, the Media, and the Ultra wealthy responsible for some things. The Media won't report it even when there is a finding, like why is either Comey or Hillary not up on perjury charges? One of them flat out lied to the US Congress.
One thing the US desperately needs is a anti-trust case to break up the media monopolies so that we can get out of the damn echo chamber. We were warned by real journalists when they started allowing monopolization that this would occur, and dang if those people were not right.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Why do they think Putin went to Syria? To help brother in need? Here's the reason (at least one of the majors): to push Obama's buttons. Before Syria, US government was able to act in unilateral fashion, with total disregard to Russia's howls of displeasure. Now Putin has some resemblance of leverage, Cold War style: need a response? - just pick which rebel group Obama likes the most and bomb the shit out of them...
Ideally, the bully should be made to realize that any damage he might have been thinking he could inflict would simply be ineffective and only result in senseless waste of energy and resources on his part, while not affecting you in the slightest. For example, if you are wearing body armor, he won't kick you in the shins because it will only hurt him more than it hurts you.
And we still have no violence.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
The OPM hacks were far more serious to the US, but hardly get a shrug.
I guess the message is to not mess with the political class.
in order to hide the fact that Hillary is just plain white trailer trash from Arkansas, we are going to take actions which could end with a war with Russia?
And they say Trump will start WW3.
Hey Obama, I though you told us last election the cold war was over.
Cyber Security is a DEFENSIVE science. You don't leave your house unlocked and threaten thieves with "proportional response", no, you get a door lock. Peace on Earth.
Billy Bush was just suspended at NBC for being in the same room as someone who said something offensive 11 years ago.
Meanwhile, the network heartily endorses the wife of a serial rapist and employs Alec Baldwin, famous for his profane tirades against photographers and his daughter, to make fun of Trump.
Proportional response for Russia / number of emails stolen by Russia * number of email scoped up by NSA = proportional response for USA
Exactly how was the primary stolen? 16.9 million voted for Hillary and 13.2 million voted for Bernie. Seeing the divide between the two camps I really doubt any of the shenanigans that happened behind the scenes had any noticeable affect on the split. The people spoke, or at least the Democrats did. Nothing was stolen and you insult the majority when you make that baseless claim.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
Assuming that Russia or Russians were actually involved, what is appropriate here? Gift basket? Flowers? How do I chip in for the card?
See that "Preview" button?
...and/or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process
Because subverting another country's electoral process is such a stellar idea, such an imaginative and mature and nuanced response.
What's up with those fucktard writers at the WSJ anyway? Are they angling for jobs at Fox?
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
You seem pretty comfortable accepting the outcome of a competition that was factually meddled with. Is that your typical outlook or is it somehow different in this case?
I laughed when I read the 1st line, and then you went all Poe's Law on me.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
In response to the Russian DNC Hack, President Obama has issued an executive order granting Hillary Clinton victory in the upcoming presidential election.
Too many amateur mistakes for DNC + Podesta email leaks to be Fancy Bear or Cozy Bear. Looks more like false flag. Where's the evidence?
Wow! Do we have to debunk this meme once again?
Lack of intent may be why she should get a reduced sentence. It does not absolve her of the crime. An NSA contractor was just arrested merely for taking some materials home — that in itself is highly illegal and qualifies him for jail time. If the investigation also proves he wanted to leak/sell the information, the charges will be upgraded.
She really does belong to jail over this — the Democrats have disgraced the US this year by nominating a bona-fide criminal.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Lock their kids' accounts on Steam. That'll teach them.
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Good chance some 3rd party is trying to push the US and Russia into conflict.
If you waited this long to notice, you're hopeless. Snowden only confirmed what was obvious anyway. And the Republicans are not any cleaner at all, in ways they are worse.
The questions is "What are you going to do about it?". My personal evaluation is that any workable approach is going to cause so much hardship that nobody with an ounce of empathy or foresight would recommend it.
OTOH, the Singularity *IS* coming, and by my estimate before 2035. (I actually estimate 2030, but there's no real reason for that date, it just the one I guessed most probably a couple of decades ago.) That's going to change everything so drastically that nobody can accurately predict even approximately what the results will, be, so the best action is to just try and hold on through the chaos that precedes it. It's a part of the reason that the Trump candidacy has so much support, and also part of the driving force behind Bernie. People can sense that things are changing too rapidly to keep track of, and want to feel safe. For some that means a gang lead by a blustering bully, for others it means someone strong to take care of them.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Maybe he just got Trump mad at him. I hear that's easy to do, even unintentionally.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
The evidence is pretty weak too. There's reasonable evidence that many of it sources of attack were from ISPs in Russia, but that's a long way from decent evidence that the Russian government was behind it.
Perhaps someone who knows of better evidence could post a link...
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I had to laugh, actually out loud.... when reading "a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process" Russia's election process is even more predetermined that the US. In the US it's not "obvious" voter fraud, just a bunch of "Community Organizers" (occasionally from Chicago or maybe Kenya) who get a lot of votes from people who may or may not be dead. Bussed around by people who may be handing out food or money for expenses to "help: them vote. From my understanding in Russia many elections are 100% of votes cast go the same candidates that are government approved. In the US, many elections are determined way ahead of time by the people with all the money and power. I wouldn't be really surprised if the Demi-crooks and Republi-creeps didn't have it all set out before the election is held. I will still vote for a 3rd party candidate and so will most of the people I know. Especially in this election where both of the major party candidates are total crap. We have the choice between a Douche and a Turd Sandwich (Yes, a South Park reference)...
AC gets the win...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
Her long history with Wal-Mart and being the wife of former Arkansas governor Bill Clinton, and the namecalling you brought up notwithstanding, are virtually sideshows compared to war with Russia. This war will probably take the form of her promised "no-fly zone" and "safe zone" in Syria which even she (privately, to her bankster funders) admits will "kill a lot of Syrians" and require ground troops. What is a no-fly zone? Dr. Jill Stein, also running for US president, has clarified what that means:
Hillary Clinton's hawkishness is bound to cost the US trillions. Continuing Obama's wars (which are all of G.W. Bush's wars plus more wars via drones in a couple countries Bush didn't attack) would do that without adding new wars. But Clinton's belligerency is why the Intercept notes "Robert Kagan and Other Neocons Are Backing Hillary Clinton". A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for more war, more extrajudicial assassination, and that includes killing women and children whom Clinton is so keen to convince us she cares about. This merely builds on the wars she's voted for or otherwise supported (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc.). She may be more gentle-toned than Trump but she's the more lethal choice than Trump too. Donald Trump's wide ignorance and many bigotries, as ugly and reprehensible as they are, are being pitched loudly to distract one from considering Sec. Clinton's lethal record of injustice. Fortunately, as I'm sure the Democrats will be happy to attest to should Clinton lose again, there's more than 2 choices for US president.
Digital Citizen
Anyone else see the title and think of this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
In other news, Microsoft Windows users are now covered under the Americans with Disabilties Act...
Stay focused on the Russians.
Pay no attention to the actual content of the emails.
Pay no attention to the Clinton Foundation.
Pay no attention to the media running their stories past the campaign before their editors.
Pay no attention to the...
Does that not defeat the whole purpose of a punishment? They are not talking about preventive measures.... Punishment is supposed to deter future behavior by making it obvious that it brings about consequences. Is this something that needs to be explained to the father of two children (who is sometimes known as POTUS)?
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
So, did the White House draw a line in the sand with this?
I seriously regret voting for "hope and change" who decided we need to lie about Russia being involved to ignore how corrupt the DNC is.
The DNC was hacked, and damaging info about Hillary was released. What's proportional? The CIA/NSA releasing some of the dirt they've collected on him over the years. If Putin wants to make our system look bad by releasing dirt on one of the players, we can do the same.
So it's not a secret nor hidden war anymore. Which is sad since there are already enough wars going on, don't you think?
Having said that, I wonder which democratic Russian institutions will be targeted? Are there any?
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Go read first person accounts of what happened at the Nevada Dem convention.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
... that the executive branch/media mashup is throwing a public hissy-fit over alleged election tampering by Russia after our feckless leader quietly sent assets over to undermine elections in Israel. Kabuki government at it's best.
Your history has numerous of little snipes at Trump each lacking substance or references. Out of the first 5 pages of history I see 2 downmods and 1 upmod for "see subject:" as your only comment. I am not going to go find what that post was about because my goal was not to indict you as pro-Hillary shill but check the validity of the claim that anti-Trump posts are being flagrantly down modded. Which in your case is an absolute false allegation.
I believe that you may be attempting to confuse people tired of shills and shill accounts down modding posts when they can. Trump does not to any knowledge have paid shills down modding posts on Slashdot. There are allegations and connections of the same to Hillary's campaign. Considering the links between the US DOJ, Department of State, etc.. I would be curious to check the moderation by IPs owned by the US Government in favor of a particular candidate.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Isn't the CIA the exact outfit that should be determining these things? I get that you don't trust it, which is reasonable, but what else would you expect?
Which DNC staffer are you talking about? The one that was murdered while in a not really good part of DC at night with no evidence linking the crime with the DNC?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Simple. Outside of the media claiming he is racist there are 0, recordings or writings of Trump demonstrating racism. Out of the media and democrats claiming he is against Muslims, there are 0 recordings of him being against Muslims. That trend continues, so as I said above if you believe he actually is racist prove it! Not what someone claims he said, but what he said IN CONTEXT WITHOUT CHERRY PICKING.
If you want cherry picking, you just said exactly what I did. "Trump is unfairly treated." and nothing more. Isn't that nice how we can just cherry pick a fragment and change your whole message?
As to the Criminal DNC candidate: In context and without cherry picking there are literally hundreds of thousands of admissible evidence that Hillary is a liar, abused her power illegally, has sold out the USA (influence and assets) to terrorist states, accepts money from terrorist states, is abusive to women, knew damn well that her personal server was illegal, despises those less fortunate than her (which is most of us since she can abuse power for personal gain), caused severe permanent damage to a woman who was raped at 12 years old, has committed perjury more than once, and the list could go on and on.
It's not a question any more, read the dumps from Wikileaks. IMHO the whole State Department needs to be placed under subpoena and investigated for collusion, numerous members of the Department of Justice need the same, and Hillary and Bill should be held without bail until a formal investigation of all assets, communications, and financial records are reviewed for illegal activity.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Check the AC posts on your comment. It is always pleasantly surprising when they are informative.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
That is not how it works, because if that were true I can make you say anything I wish. That claim is pure and simple idiocy. If you wish to argue, as I do, that cherry picking to create statements never said is wrong we would agree. It should be, and historically has been, treated with disdain when someone fabricates a narrative to slander someone.
If you wish to argue that certain politicians do so, then treat them with disdain. Simple.
There is a big difference between fact and fantasy. My contention is that one candidate is guilty by facts and those facts were mentioned and easily verifiable. The other faces fabricated claims so often that even if you showed someone a real claim we would not believe it. No facts have been provided to back the assertions being made.
Facts are not up for debate, how one uses facts can be up for debate.
Whether or not someone has been jailed and/or convicted of a crime the facts remain. Facts are the evidence of wrong doing, not feelings.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.