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White House Vows 'Proportional' Response For Russian DNC Hack (go.com)
After the Director of National Intelligence and Department of Homeland Security publicly blamed Russia for stealing and publishing archived emails from the Democratic National Committee on Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said today that President Obama will consider a "proportional" response. ABC News reports: "We obviously will ensure that a U.S. response is proportional. It is unlikely that our response would be announced in advanced. It's certainly possible that the president could choose response options that we never announce," Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One. "The president has talked before about the significant capabilities that the U.S. government has to both defend our systems in the United States but also carry out offensive operations in other countries," he added. "There are a range of responses that are available to the president and he will consider a response that's proportional." The Wall Street Journal report mentions several different ways to response to Russia. The U.S. could impose economic sanctions against Moscow, punish Russia diplomatically, opt to allow the Justice Department to simply prosecute the hacks as a criminal case, and/or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process. Of course, each response has its pros and cons. "They could escalate into a more adversarial conflict between both countries," writes Carol E. Lee for the Wall Street Journal. "But the absence of a response could signal that such behavior will be tolerated in the future."
Seriously, hacking Russia back is the dumbest way they could respond to the DNC (a private organization, so they keep stressing every time voter fraud is brought up) hack.
Is ANYONE really taking anything ANY politician says about ANYTHING for face value after all these Snowden, Manning, WikiLeaks and hack-leaks it should be utterly clear that the entire political class in the USA is beyond redemption and corrupted to the bone.
There is no rational discussion to have at this point. The whole system and the power players in place today are so corrupted and criminal its PROOF the media is completely in the bag to pain a picture - facebook, google, twitter, the media, the government - they all LIE by default - they lie, omit and change the narrative AT ALL TIMES.
Even secondary sources like slashdot, fark, reddit, this versioning of reality and total disregard of the facts and evidence is quite commonplace.
The reality you see online is YOUR version. You BELIEVE this version and look for snippets to support it.
But the SOURCE for many things, such as the LEAKS and EMAILS, and the like show and PROVE there is a vast concerted effort to propagandize and "PR" the news.
Liberty is dead. Publius is dead. Free speech is on the chopping block and anonymous use of the internet is about to come to a close as it has in China. We will be in mind-prisons.
Best find an Oculus and live in a false reality - the base reality we live in has turned so "1984"-ish its really quite scary.
Hillary is going after the video gamer vote so hard she promises to make Fallout real.
We are afraid. Afraid of losing our jobs. Afraid of being found out. Afraid of spending time a pariah - like snowden, manning, assange.
The level of arrogance of the political class, the oligarchs and billionaires is utterly unhinged. They buy media outlets, they collude, they weave stories and narratives the media parrots.
Try and get your "news" from many places and look at PRIMARY sources like the leaked emails for information. Anything "reported" has been changed and lied about.
if only to more easily convince his people to use domestic IT products rather than the US-made stuff (which contains backdoors for at least the US government agencies and backdoors for some far-east agencies which were added by the manufacturers who actually produced the hardware).
The DNC supposedly got hacked, not the US government. The US government has absolutely no reason to offer *any* response. The DNC might get angry about it (and maybe they can use that to continue to try to change the story away from their internal corruption) but they're not the US government.
Do you have ESP?
ok lets not care about security, lets put convenience on the forefront and then start an electronic war rather than deal with the actual cause.
well that has been our modus operandi when it comes to actual wars and foreign policy so why change now.
time to invest in the next gen govt electronic military industrial contractors. yayyyy raytheon stock will go up
Two words: due process.
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Actually, the only people caught hacking the elections have been the DNC. The Russians just exposed that which many of us already believed to be true, as the truth. The problem is, that the truth is worse than even we understood.
I am not sure how anyone could be a Democrat, let alone vote for Hillary after this.
(NO, I am NOT voting for Trump)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
OK, let me rephrase that to be more accurate:
Explain how and why based on the leaks so far that Hillary HAS NOT BEEN INDICTED.
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So lets shit can the major two parties and vote for Gary Johnson. Hillary stole the election from Bernie on top of being a liar and a criminal and enabling her husbands rape of women and the list goes on. Why anyone would vote for her is beyond me.
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I refuse to watch any "NEWS" and am very selective about the Radio stations I listen to. From those, I take political comments as false and if I feel like investigating will attempt to prove otherwise. The media in the US today is at the same level of propaganda we made fun of with the Pravda in Russia back in the 80s (sorry folks, I'm a hardened old cynical bastard, much worse than your ordinary cynical bastard).
The latest hysteria about Trump for example: Trump said very clearly that he would ask his Attorney General to assign a Special Prosecutor to investigate the Clinton's. Sounds reasonable to most of us considering the amount of corruption that surrounds them (worded intentionally, so read what I wrote instead of what you want to see). Media report: Trump is going to randomly jail people. He's a dictator, he's a this, he's a that.
I have taken hundreds of hours to read transcripts and watching full speeches to validate context. I can find almost nothing the media says that is true. Nearly every allegation with the exception of McCain is over hyped bullspittle which requires a complete lack of context and cherry picking.
Meanwhile, potentially real crimes are being buried under the same hype and hysteria. Perhaps the FBI is investigating the DNC, the Media, and the Ultra wealthy responsible for some things. The Media won't report it even when there is a finding, like why is either Comey or Hillary not up on perjury charges? One of them flat out lied to the US Congress.
One thing the US desperately needs is a anti-trust case to break up the media monopolies so that we can get out of the damn echo chamber. We were warned by real journalists when they started allowing monopolization that this would occur, and dang if those people were not right.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I am pretty sure that lying to congress is a crime.
Funny how congress lying to us isn't...
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
If there's not enough evidence to actually convict you in court, then absolutely, yes.
Leaving aside the fact that you never read any of those emails either, if these so-called facts were so self-evident, then there would be sufficient basis to convict her, wouldn't there? Just how small a town do you think the entire USA actually is that you could even believe it to be realistically possible that any such incriminating evidence could have been overlooked after this amount of attention has been given to it?
But hey.... if you know of some evidence that all of the other would-be prosecuters have missed, then maybe you should consider trying to pass that along.
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Seriously.... this is how wars start. And considering the powers that are involved, this can't possibly end well.... for anybody.
Have you considered that this is EXACTLY what they want.
More war. The manipulation of the media has become so obvious as to make them useless except for local news.
eg.
95% of news stories in Australia on US politics are Trump bashing. (Much of which he deserves)
Hillary gets next to zero news stories. (She must be super unappealing for that to happen)
Putin is portrayed as some evil psychopath, but when you listen to his speeches, he seems like a pretty rational dude that doesn't have that extra layer political fakeness of western politicians.
I would say the military industrial complex is chomping at the bit for more war to line their pockets.
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Whoops. Forgot to mention lying to the FBI. That would put common people like you or I in prison.
"-1 Troll" is the apparently the same as "-1 I disagree with you."
Assuming that Russia or Russians were actually involved, what is appropriate here? Gift basket? Flowers? How do I chip in for the card?
See that "Preview" button?
She had classified information on a personal server - crime regardless of intent
She is on video lying to congress (the FBI director Comey later confirmed in front of congress that she told the FBI the truth, in direct contradiction to what she told congress earlier) - crime regardless of intent (just ask Scooter Libby, that is what he ended up going to jail over: perjury).
She directed her "IT" guy to purge thousands of emails from her personal server days after receiving a subpoena from congress and in direct violation of federal document retention rules; this is destruction of evidence - this is also a crime regardless of intent.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?...
33:36 will give you a dose of unvarnished truth about Hillary's truthfulness.
I suggest you watch the full video of Comey's testimony before congress. It is very damning and the only way Hillary avoided indictment was some backroom deal between Bill and Loretta Lynch (Comey's boss) on her airplane days before Comey presented to congress. Bill Clinton delayed his flight to wait for Lynch on the tarmac. In that meeting on the plane, everyone was kicked off and they talked for 40 minutes in complete privacy. Lynch's FBI security detail was directed to prevent anyone from photographing or recording the visit via cell phone or camera from the tarmac. Lynch specifically flew out a day early prior to her engagement which was the following day.
http://wallstreetonparade.com/...
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Wow! Do we have to debunk this meme once again?
Lack of intent may be why she should get a reduced sentence. It does not absolve her of the crime. An NSA contractor was just arrested merely for taking some materials home — that in itself is highly illegal and qualifies him for jail time. If the investigation also proves he wanted to leak/sell the information, the charges will be upgraded.
She really does belong to jail over this — the Democrats have disgraced the US this year by nominating a bona-fide criminal.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Lock their kids' accounts on Steam. That'll teach them.
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They're not allegations. FBI Director Comey stated that she broke the law by having then-classified documents on a public server and she didn't even turn all of them over. It's critical to understand that intent has zero basis in violating the law, nor does ignorance. Comey broke down the evidence in his own press release where he declared that they would not seek prosecution.
One is an accident that can be ignored (and that does happen). More than 30 times? That's a heavy jail sentence, apparently if your name doesn't end with "Clinton". This is made clear toward the end of the press release:
Said differently: "We would prosecute her, if she wasn't Hillary Clinton. We will prosecute you, if you do it."
Quoting from his press release:
The way this is phrased is itself misleading. It suggests that there's possibly more than seven, but there were clearly at least seven classified at the top levels of classification at the time that they were sent. That is a crime, which is clear given the previous statement indicated that they didn't intend to violate laws. Intent has no basis in violating classification laws, particularly once you get past the informal "accident" level that gets swept away with minor breaches. Seven distinct TS/SAP email chains is not a minor breach.
Who knows what they didn't find since they found thousands that were work related and not given to them. Heavily classified documents often do not get sent electronically very frequently, so there wouldn't be many traces of them lingering on the networks.
Yes it very strange to see the code samples in the press so quickly.
Its then a rush to create a feedback loop, echo chamber, push repeaters, have sock puppet accounts flood comments.
All the US has is very early media reports by contractors who got to talk to the media about ongoing investigations.
An ip range of staging servers, time of day feels like working hours in Russia (given time zones that anytime)
Strange code litter that every contractor has a copy of and knows about but cannot prevent or detect was just left to be found.
Other press comments that make it "feel" like Russia.
The US government sees the media and repeats the Russia lines, the media picks up on officials talking to the media and repeats quotes by official gov sources.
Finally official comments have vague lines about the type of access been seen in the past as total "proof".
No government would use such methods that are already well understood by contractors. Useless methods that can be caught in real time are not good during data extraction.
The real issue is that of an insider walking out, but that has no cyber budget to spin up or upgrade spending to lobby for.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Please... if the evidence was that clear, there are people who make more money in one day than both of us put together make in a year that would have been all too happy to prosecute her for the crime.
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Good chance some 3rd party is trying to push the US and Russia into conflict.
I don't. believe the evidence has been overlooked, not by any of the responsible parties.
They just refuse to enforce the law. That's all.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
The laws regarding the handling of confidential information, and those regarding government records, were in effect long before. Those were violated.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Her long history with Wal-Mart and being the wife of former Arkansas governor Bill Clinton, and the namecalling you brought up notwithstanding, are virtually sideshows compared to war with Russia. This war will probably take the form of her promised "no-fly zone" and "safe zone" in Syria which even she (privately, to her bankster funders) admits will "kill a lot of Syrians" and require ground troops. What is a no-fly zone? Dr. Jill Stein, also running for US president, has clarified what that means:
Hillary Clinton's hawkishness is bound to cost the US trillions. Continuing Obama's wars (which are all of G.W. Bush's wars plus more wars via drones in a couple countries Bush didn't attack) would do that without adding new wars. But Clinton's belligerency is why the Intercept notes "Robert Kagan and Other Neocons Are Backing Hillary Clinton". A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for more war, more extrajudicial assassination, and that includes killing women and children whom Clinton is so keen to convince us she cares about. This merely builds on the wars she's voted for or otherwise supported (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc.). She may be more gentle-toned than Trump but she's the more lethal choice than Trump too. Donald Trump's wide ignorance and many bigotries, as ugly and reprehensible as they are, are being pitched loudly to distract one from considering Sec. Clinton's lethal record of injustice. Fortunately, as I'm sure the Democrats will be happy to attest to should Clinton lose again, there's more than 2 choices for US president.
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Stay focused on the Russians.
Pay no attention to the actual content of the emails.
Pay no attention to the Clinton Foundation.
Pay no attention to the media running their stories past the campaign before their editors.
Pay no attention to the...
Explain how and why based on the leaks so far that Hillary HAS NOT BEEN INDICTED.
For me, it basically comes down to this: After nearly three decades of trying to pin something on her and all the screaming and yelling, we basically have nothing. Despite of ninja like death squads that seem to kill everybody days before they are set to testify, nobody seems to have found any actual evidence. Bengazi seems to be unremarkable from the events of any past administration. We finally comes to this latest thing and quite honestly, I have Hillary bashing fatigue. All this just seems to be more frothing and bluster by partisan action. While I don't like her, I don't like what she does, but I'm much more likely to believe that as an intelligent lawyer acting with the power of Secretary of State, she probably played the line as close as it could go, and probably crossed it, but that she probably never went past a point that would be defensible in court and by the law and by past presedent in Common Law, is probably at a point where even if found guilty the punishment and result aren't seen as worth it by the legal system. Basically, she hasn't done anything that past administrations dating back to Reagan haven't done.