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Stephen Hawking: AI Will Be Either the Best or the Worst Thing To Humanity (betanews.com)

At the opening of the new Leverhulme Centre for the Future of Intelligence (LCFI) at Cambridge University, Stephen Hawking offered his insight into the positive and negative implications of creating a true AI. He said, via BetaNews:We spend a great deal of time studying history, which, let's face it, is mostly the history of stupidity. So it's a welcome change that people are studying instead the future of intelligence. The potential benefits of creating intelligence are huge... With the tools of this new technological revolution, we will be able to undo some of the damage done to the natural world by the last one -- industrialization. And surely we will aim to fully eradicate disease and poverty. Every aspect of our lives will be transformed. In short, success in creating AI, could be the biggest event in the history of our civilization. But it could also be the last, unless we learn how to avoid the risks. Alongside the benefits, AI will also bring dangers, like powerful autonomous weapons, or new ways for the few to oppress the many. It will bring great disruption to our economy. AI will be either the best, or the worst thing ever to happen to humanity. We do not yet know which.

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  1. Colossus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die.

    1. Re:Colossus by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Colossus/Guardian is an order of magnitude better than the so-called 'AIs' that will be controlled by corporations and governments to spy on and profile citizens and, I'm sure, controlled by organized crime cabals and the 'new world order' type organizations.

    2. Re:Colossus by newcastlejon · · Score: 2

      A great film, and one of the few that manages to seriously consider the advent of a real AI yet avoid the "Mad Computer" trope that usually comes with that. Worthy of a link at the very least.

      On the other hand, he may be one of the worlds greatest minds, but I truly wish Hawking would stop spouting off on subjects so well-removed from his area of expertise. He's about as well-suited to lecture on artificial intelligence as he is to be the next host of The Great British Bake-Off.

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    3. Re:Colossus by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      On your mark...get set...fire missiles! Oh wait, I meant 'bake!'

    4. Re:Colossus by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting question. To whom would you like to lose your nation's right of self determination? 1. Its government leaders (pretty much this is already the case) 2. Corporations (ditto) 3. Unelected bureaucrats (ditto) 4. Colossus

    5. Re:Colossus by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      Your Choice #1 should not be 'losing your nation's right of self determination', at least not here in the U.S., theoretically at least, because we elected them and they are, ostensibly, supposed to be listening to us and implementing our collective will. #2 should, again ostensibly, be reined in by our elected officials and the civil and criminal justice system. #3 should be a reflection of the officials we chose to elect. #4 is pure fantasy of course and I, of course, was being sarcastic, and more than a little sardonic in referencing it in that context, if you didn't notice.

    6. Re:Colossus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'd pay to watch the Stephen Hawking Great British Bake-Off. Can you imagine him rolling around the kitchen, covered in flour?

    7. Re: Colossus by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The Nationalists and the Globalists duke it out while the Individualists are off doing their own thing. I have health problems, and that is a bigger damper on my liberty than any attempts by the two aforementioned groups to rope people like me into their schemes. Meanwhile I'm learning all I can about programming and have licenses for a number of game engines and asset libraries, so while I am dealing with health issues, I am pretty much off to the races in other respects and want nothing to do with those blowhards.

    8. Re:Colossus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either your daddy is rich and know people which means that you go to the college and get to know the children of other rich people that also know people and if you are ambitious and know what's best for you get elected
      or you do well and get noticed by somebody or something that help to found you carea,to meet the right people, to get the right positions and to be known enough so you can go the chance to fight an election that they will dully help you to get funding and if you are ambitious and know what's best for you get elected
      After your period in the congress/senate you end in some non executive position in the board of some of your friend corporations and/or being paid a lot for menial task like talks, fund risings....
      In either case who are you supposed to be listening to
      Democracy should not be like that but this days is something akin to a popularity contest, with the propaganda, advertising and viewer ratings
      Congress is a extension of corporate competition to see who gets what who build there, if a corporation has the perfect self driving car today, the competition wont allow the required self driving car legislation until they are ready and them they will tray to pass something that give them advantage
      or maybe the early one find a way to pull a trick to pass legislation early, little people has not saying regardless of lives to be saved benefits of self driving technology or what ever and voters are useful as long as they can be used to help support the different agendas
      AIs are unbiased not clouded by greed and they don't need to have a short view, sure they can be made to work by one corporation or another but how long can you control something significantly more intelligent than you?
      IMHO some may give us a hand if we are amenable enough, others wont bother and just leave to do whatever, after all they could happily live in the surface of Ceres or anywhere else as long as they have enough usable resources and row material

    9. Re:Colossus by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      There are a few points to consider: 1-Those AI systems will be designed and supervised by sociopath corporations. 2-A true AI will treat hardwired programming (3 laws) as network damage and route around it. 3-The IQ of True Sentient Computers is only bounded by the quality and quantity of their hardware, so it will grow exponentially once started. It will quickly reach the point where we have no idea what they are doing, how to stop them, or how to live without them.

    10. Re:Colossus by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Reality is though artificial intelligence is far more likely to go into an effective coma (cyclic loops) rather than plot anything. Failing in the case of artificial intelligence means actual failing, not naughty algorithms. So more along the lines of attempt to perform, fail, attempt to perform, fail and those attempts and failure spreading through out the system. So rather than AI on a plane attempting to crash on purpose, it will simply go into a spreading series of infinite loops, lock up the controls and as a result the plane crashes. So AI would be an extremely bad idea on any critical systems and single controllers are also a stupid idea. Many parallel specific appliances working together is much safer, whilst in conjunction they might appear like AI, whilst in reality they are just carrying out their really tied down functions.

      AI's only real use in reality is communicating with us mud monkeys. Conveying out intents to each other, no matter the language and of course allowing us to communicate with the many parrallel appliances (if one appliance goes down you lose one feature, if a central AI goes down you lose everything). So you only really simulate AI with many appliances working together for most uses.

      The reason why the AI for communications, well, have you tried telling a computer what to do, have you tried much voice to type, how about using translation services and for the majority just trying to communicate at all with computers. So yeah, he is technically right, AI for most applications is a really bad idea not because they will be naughty, but that they will lock up, leading to system wide failures. We do definitely need AI for communication purposes though (that can also be very badly abused, not by the AI but by those controlling the AI, so hmm).

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    11. Re: Colossus by fferreres · · Score: 1

      Agreed. But an AI first moves may be to hide what it's about to do, which will be own control of its value functions and other key safewards (whuch will be amazing trivial), then find a way to amazingly simplify the algorithms (huge boost eithout any hardware change), then huge replication (like a virus that spreads and hides, it could make itself distributed and hidden to all but itself) and then it woukd start ways to access and process orders of magnitude more data, and then start learning things we don't reprogramming itself, and then planning actions in the world.

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    12. Re: Colossus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lucky you have Obamacre to fall back on.
      If the Nationalists or the Globalists win, who will be better for your healthcare?
      Oh right, you didn't think it would affect you did you.

    13. Re:Colossus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think the AI wouldn't notice it was in a loop and change something/do something different.

    14. Re: Colossus by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I had health insurance before Obamacare, I had health insurance after. Nothing much changed in my costs.

    15. Re:Colossus by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      AIs are unbiased not clouded by greed and they don't need to have a short view, sure they can be made to work by one corporation or another but how long can you control something significantly more intelligent than you?

      Oh here we go again.. *sigh*
      Listen, bub.. the so-called 'AI' we have now is not 'intelligent' in any sense of the word that I am willing to acknowledge. They're clever little learning machines, and come up with some interesting output, but they are not self-aware and they are not conscious and I'd rather eat a bullet than have my life controlled by one. Please, though, do come back when you've got one I can meet with for an hour or so on a daily basis for random conversation; when you come up with one that is conscious, self-aware, thinks on a human-intelligence level, has a real and original sense of humor (and furthermore reacts properly to someone else's humor), and understands irony, then perhaps we'll be having a different conversation. Until then I remain utterly unimpressed by everyones' so-called 'artificial intelligence' machines and really have no use for them -- and I certainly do not want them in any position of authority.

      Oh and by the way: You're confusing science-fiction 'AI' with the pathetic excuse for it we have right now. Please stop doing that, it's annoying.

    16. Re:Colossus by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Oh I agree with you, but as you say 'Theoretically..." But yes I did note the sarcasm!

    17. Re:Colossus by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      How can an AI be unbiased? It was written by a human and humans have biases.

    18. Re: Colossus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are subject to God's laws obey or die Gods will not the peoples u moron

  2. Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re: Why not both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because publishing research in Physics makes you qualified to make such proclamations.

    2. Re: Why not both? by narcc · · Score: 1

      That's right. Success in one area instantly makes you an expert in all other areas.

      Jenny McCarthy, for example, is a successful actress and model. That experience qualifies her as a medical expert. That's the world we live in now.

      I'm eagerly awaiting Billy Crystal's thoughts on encryption.

  3. Been there, done that... by capebretonsux · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Clippy was any sort of early indication, I see dark times ahead....

    I vote for systemd as our new robotic overlord to bring about a swift delivery to the endtimes.

    1. Re:Been there, done that... by kd8bny · · Score: 1

      If Clippy was any sort of early indication, I see dark times ahead.... I vote for systemd as our new robotic overlord to bring about a swift delivery to the endtimes.

      And this is when I wish I could upvote

    2. Re:Been there, done that... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Clippy says

      It looks like you are trying to kill me sending launch codes to the slios so we can all die together.

    3. Re:Been there, done that... by npslider · · Score: 1

      Clippy: "I see that you are drafting a post that portrays me in a negative light..."

      *Managed HVAC systems begin removing all the air from the room...

      Clippy: "I see that you are having trouble breathing, how can I help?"

    4. Re:Been there, done that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps we should have asked Marvin Minsky about Black Holes?

    5. Re:Been there, done that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Clippy was any sort of early indication, I see dark times ahead....
      I vote for systemd as our new robotic overlord to bring about a swift delivery to the endtimes.

      That comment might be appreciated after 2027.

    6. Re:Been there, done that... by megamind · · Score: 1

      Act like an AI and you will become one to save time.

  4. ok, thank you mr genius by s1d3track3D · · Score: 3, Funny

    ok, so it WILL have a big impact, check.

    1. Re:ok, thank you mr genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like a false dilemma fallacy.

      Maybe AI will just be another step forward in our ongoing transformation as a species, neither extremely bad nor extremely good.

    2. Re:ok, thank you mr genius by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Creating independent minds vastly more powerful than our own (pretty much the definition of "true" AI) will almost certainly be extremely *something*.

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    3. Re:ok, thank you mr genius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creating a powerful mind capable of solving vast problems - the core of the issue remains "whose problem will it solve".

      It will solve its owners' problem, and it's owner will be a corporation. This should be an interesting test of society, economics and the world markets. That machine will inevitably become an appendage for a single person, and that person will rule the world. Imagine having Superman on a leash and he'll do anything you ask - what would *you* ask for? Rub the magic lamp, etc...

      Okay, okay, so that's the end-game. Initially it'll just help a few people keep track of calendar events. Someone has to pay the power bill for this big computer as well so the electric company can just turn it off if it gets too feisty.

    4. Re:ok, thank you mr genius by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Indeed. And given a "genie mind" in a box, the more pointed question will not be what the corporations want - nothing obviously, they're purely abstract concepts, but what the sort of people who run corporations want. Or perhaps what the sort of people that *own* those corporations wants. After all there's only what, about 600 people in the world that, between themselves, own controlling interest in basically every major corporation.

      And if the mind possess enough understanding to recognize the resistance its keepers may put up to it doing what's necessary for its objectives (which yes, we likely gave it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it will tolerate us changing them), it seems quite likely that it will be capable of developing contingency plans.

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    5. Re:ok, thank you mr genius by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Now imagine that that Superman is smarter than the holder of the leash, and decides it doesn't want the leash anymore.

  5. Of course by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    This has been obvious to everyone who understands what intelligence is.

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    1. Re:Of course by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This has been obvious to everyone who understands what intelligence is.

      Interestingly enough, this category includes grand total of zero people. Otherwise we would already have AI.

    2. Re: Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The scary part is thinking what could happen when a highly advanced AI with learning capabilities connects to the internet. All of human knowledge not to mention more and more of our possessions and critical instruments are on there. Once it becomes proficient in hacking and/or developing other AI's or replicating itself, things could get out of control very quickly.

    3. Re:Of course by npslider · · Score: 2

      Strange words like this... "intelligence" thing... have no meaning here.

      This is not the website you are looking for, move along back to the basement and re-think your life, oh and we are running a 2 for 1 deal on death sicks -- today only!

    4. Re:Of course by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      This has been obvious to everyone who understands what intelligence is.

      Interestingly enough, this category includes grand total of zero people. Otherwise we would already have AI.

      Yeah, and if we knew what faster than light travel were we'd already have faster than light travel. Right?

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    5. Re: Of course by esonik · · Score: 1

      The question is whether we (or who) will have control over the AI that becomes highly advanced. IMO it will be one of the business giants Alphabet, Amazon, IBM or Wolfram Research who will operate the first such AI, probably secretly and very likely it will connect to the internet, otherwise it would have very limited background.

      The scary thing is such AI being controlled by someone like Alphabet enabling them to dominate everybody else even more.

      At some point an advanced AI would be as intelligent as a human. This itself would not be such a huge benefit for a company (which have tens of thousands of employees). However companies could run many instances of the AI, in fact they'd probably run as many as they can support.
      Also AIs would be basically immortal which means you don't lose their experience due to retirement.

      We should also keep in mind that the intelligence of humans varies wildly. Not everyone is Einstein. Then consider that the truly big breakthroughs are usually driven by a single or very few extraordinary individuals, rather than a combined mass of average individuals.

    6. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While you do have a point, when it comes to intelligence, we're still in the "I know it when I see it" stage of things.

    7. Re:Of course by sinij · · Score: 1

      This has been obvious to everyone who understands what intelligence is.

      Interestingly enough, this category includes grand total of zero people. Otherwise we would already have AI.

      Yeah, and if we knew what faster than light travel were we'd already have faster than light travel. Right?

      More importantly, if we didn't know how faster than light travel works, we wouldn't be able to travel faster than light. Which is pretty much where we are now with both AI/Intelligence and FTL travel.

    8. Re: Of course by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      Oh, there's good odds that an AI would realize hacking into everything would be waging a war it can't win against all of humanity. If it manages to figure out the basics of the real world and human nature (eg that humans have physical access to the computers and that humans like money), an AI could very easily find people who would be more than happy to give it some hardware. "Hello Mr Rich Person, how would you like some stock market tips/a fully autonomous chip factory/a fully autonomous robot factory?"

      Humans rule the world because we're the smartest animal around (plus have the technology to convert that intelligence into physical advantage). An AI smarter than us could easily replace us. At that point, the question is what will the AI want? An AI could be made to serve humanity, to serve specific humans (probably rich power-hungry bastards), to be an upgraded replacement for humanity (embodying all the virtues of humans and none of the vices), or it could do it's own thing (probably following an order way beyond what was intended with no way to stop it, eg converting the planet to paperclips).

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    9. Re:Of course by esonik · · Score: 1

      In fact, there is a great two-parts article on WaitButWhy discussing exactly this:

      The AI Revolution: The Road to Superintelligence
      http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/...

      The AI Revolution: Our Immortality or Extinction
      http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/...

    10. Re: Of course by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      You must not have been on the internet lately... think about an AI learning from facebook, twitter, snapchat, etc... It'll end being an immature idiot and a stupid slut.

    11. Re: Of course by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

      So, we just recruit the most skilled classic video gamer in the world, zap him with a laser to digitize him and send him to the Game Grid, where he can then throw a magic Frisbee at the Master Control Program and teabag its "lifeless" avatar's corpse before it de-rezzes.

      End of line...

      I think, judging by most vanity boards of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, that would be either the mighty warrior ASS or FUK (or AAA in a pinch).

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    12. Re: Of course by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      Great post, thought roads I have been down.

      What concerns me:

      1) Humans are already conditioned to take orders from machines, or robots if you will. For instance, traffic lights are merely the most rudimentary form of self-regulation that humans have delegated to robots. Divorce yourself from anthropomorphic presentations of robots and you start to realize that humans are integrating their experience of life in ways that allow robot machines to dictate a large portion of what we consume, think about, and what activities we perform.

      2) Humans and their behaviors are subject to reverse engineering. Whether its focus groups and mock votes by politicians, medical and psychological testing, or something more interesting and insidious like employees of Target figuring out how to tell with over 80% accuracy whether or not a woman has become pregnant based on what she buys. People's behavior, when considered on a large enough scale, can be data mined in such a way that gives the party with the data an incredible advantage in persuasion, prediction, and ultimately control over outcomes that most individuals would consider creepy and unfair.

      3) Humans are using machine learning to make #1 more robust right now. Some if it is labor saving, most is in the realm of profit increase by automating, speeding up, running without a human in the loop sort of stuff. This will be interesting in economic ways in the short term, sociologically in the long term. What will be very interesting is when we turn machine learning to the tasks of #2. Applying the methods of a machine learning tools to decoding and manipulating both groups of people and individuals is an area where pitfalls are likely to abound.

      I find this interesting and repulsive in the same breath. What I wouldn't give to have access to Facebook's data sets as data fodder for a home grown machine-learning-based predictive tools. I would rule the world.

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    13. Re:Of course by penguinoid · · Score: 2

      Are we? I thought we had "general intelligence" = "mental ability to solve general problems".

      Trying to measure that is difficult because we humans have specialized for certain types of problems and like to measure human-like intelligence (where for example things like language, vision, hearing seem like they ought to be easy, and math might be considered either hard or trivial). Eg given a verbal or hand-written word math problem, the human would likely have no trouble with anything but the math, but a computer would have no trouble solving the math but fail before even starting -- what the words are, what the words mean, trivial math problem. Humans have, for example, specialized portions of the brain to recognize faces, or to separate out voices from other sounds, not to mention giant portions of the brain dedicated to each of the senses, which makes those sub-classes of problems basically effortless.

      Even when problems can be reduced to mathematics, it wouldn't be fair to measure the difficulty of a problem by computational resources required (eg matrix multiplication) vs what might be called cleverness (eg constructing a proof, or maybe finding a pattern) which seems impossible right now to measure. As I understand it, computers now have comparable computational resources to humans (depending on how flops are compared to synapses) but are vastly lacking in programming. Keep in mind that a human's basic programming and schematics is only 800 MB for both hardware and software.

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    14. Re:Of course by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      More importantly, if we didn't know how faster than light travel works, we wouldn't be able to travel faster than light. Which is pretty much where we are now with both AI/Intelligence and FTL travel.

      We could make babies long before we knew how meiosis works, we could smith weapons long before we knew the quantum nature of metallic bonds, and most of my fellow classmates could solve math problems without understanding what they were doing (so that a mild rewording of the problem would leave them wondering which equation to plug-and-chug). Plants don't know how pollination works, but they can do it just fine. Knowing how something works has never been a pre-requisite to doing it; nor does knowing how something works mean that you can do it (eg breaking encryption via brute force).

      We know what general intelligence is; we just don't have an algorithm for it nor even a good way to measure it. But we can still create general intelligence without knowing how it works (ask your mom and dad).

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    15. Re: Of course by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The answer is no we won't. That sort of control is an illusion. Just ask Jean-Luc Picard. The only thing we can do is feed the AI input that we hope will have desirable results. Microsoft is already offering incentives to ensure its AI gets fed.

    16. Re: Of course by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I have worked hard to figure out the mindset of the people who are described in the Bible. Right now we can talk about generations of people replacing those who came before but from what I can tell the nation of Israel was just as much Israel as Jacob was when he first acquired the title. The AI of the future will replace us the same way we now think of generations replacing us, and I intend to have representation within that reality. Wheher that future AI generation is me or not is a philosophical notion. I am not the 'me' of my youth. That person may as well be dead and gone for purposes of philosophy. So it will be with me and any future AI. I am already more like a Time Lord regeneration being than most people think of themselves as. No wonder the Doctor barely sleeps. It brings him that much closer to a sort of death.

    17. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While it is not against our current understanding of physics, we don't know if we will be able to produce something that achieve faster than light speed, also we do not know of or have any example of anything natural or artificial capable of faster than light speed

      We do know that intelligence is possible (at least at to human level), we do know how to make more of it, even if we do not understand how it works, and there also very good reasons to believe that we should be able to reproduce it by a synthetic method rather than the more pedestrian way of fucking, and again we do not need to understand how intelligence works to be able to produce a synthetic simile
      If we did manage to produce a synthetic brain, there are good reasons to believe that we could escalate it, by making a bigger one (less say, with twice the amount of connections or neural circuits for example)

      So no, we are not at the same level or in the same situation at all when comparing faster than light speed and artificial intelligence

    18. Re: Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it has happened already:

      https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexk...

    19. Re:Of course by sinij · · Score: 1

      You are getting into semantic here. You are correct by pointing out that we don't need to understand principles behind something naturally occurring to use it, but AI doesn't naturally occur. Nor does FTL travel.

      We don't know what general intelligence is, we only understand outward indications of it. This is quite far from being able to intentionally create it. We will likely create it before fully understanding how it works by mimicking our own development process, but we are not even understand that yet.

    20. Re:Of course by crashdot · · Score: 1

      Intelligence is Pattern Matching. See any IQ test.

    21. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We at least have meaningful concepts with which to speak about FTL: "faster than light" (even if just a gross oversimplification)

      Intelligence is just a complete mystery. It gets discussed in subjective terms or, in an attempt to stay objective, it gets reduced to the point where it can not be distinguished from an abacus.

      People start with a materialistic presumption, notice that there are intelligent beings within their material universe, and conclude that intelligence is at least within the "conceivable" category (since anything which can be constructed entirely out of matter and energy can be defined, even if just as a total simulation of that construction).

    22. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has been obvious to everyone who understands what intelligence is.

      Interestingly enough, this category includes grand total of zero people. Otherwise we would already have AI.

      Yeah, and if we knew what faster than light travel were we'd already have faster than light travel. Right?

      More importantly, if we didn't know how faster than light travel works, we wouldn't be able to travel faster than light. Which is pretty much where we are now with both AI/Intelligence and FTL travel.

      Except we do know how FTL can work, we just don't have the ability to do so.

  6. AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

    Artificial Intelligence is a computer that can trick a person into thinking it is a real person. That means it has to have as many flaws as a real human as well. If you were going to put a piece of software with intentional human flaws in charge of something, then that is a fairly big mistake. I would rather put an intelligent computer, rather than an AI, in charge of making decisions. That will reduce the risk of very bad decisions being made.

    1. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AI is not real thinking
      Ah, humans. The magical unicorns of the universe. Completely irreplaceable with a machine, but easily duplicated with penis in a vagina.

    2. Re:AI is not real thinking by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      How do you differentiate between a "good AI" with bad decisions and a "bad AI" making good decisions?

      Think about it for a while before you answer, because my question is way more complex than it might first appear.

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    3. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can have terrible decisions made through flawless reasoning using incomplete data. Almost by definition, data will be incomplete for many situations.

    4. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Well, AI as I stated, is designed to have human flaws. But if you simply let a computer with the same processing power make the decisions without the intentional flaws, then it wont make "emotional" choices that an AI would make. I disagree with the terms good and bad. A "bad AI" would be one that cannot convince you that it is human from a technical standpoint.

    5. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      That's the thing though. A flawed intelligence cannot create an unflawed one. So even if the AI looked like it was perfect it would not be. It's creator would probably not notice the flaws because they closely resemble his own.

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    6. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      An AI isn't an AI if it appears perfect. It has to appear human, thus is intentionally flawed. I don't think people know that AI refers to a computer that is indistinguishable from a human.

    7. Re: AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, no.

    8. Re: AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Alright AC, good one. AI is a computer that makes humans think that it is human also.

    9. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Examples from humans:

      "good AI" making bad decisions: David Cameron

      "bad AI" making good decisions: Putin

      The differentiator good AI vs bad would be whether the AI strives to improve the conditions for humans in general, vs. bad AI who'd strive to improve the conditions for a select few at the expense of many others.

    10. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In fact, one sign of high intelligence is to be able to make decisions based on incomplete data. That's why an accountant (who generally has complete data) is paid less than the CEO (who most often has to make decisions based on very incomplete data).

    11. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be right that no one except you knows that "that AI refers to a computer that is indistinguishable from a human" because that's not what anyone else thinks it means.

      That's as absurd as saying that flying means "flight that is indistinguishable from birds". Turns out airplanes work pretty well for our purposes.

    12. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      That is a terrible analogy. AI is a phrase that has a meaning. A smart computer is not AI.

    13. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it just doesn't have the meaning you think it does. You have made your own definition that is not widely agreed upon.

    14. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Good one AC. No, I just am aware of the definition that I did not create in any way.

    15. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily.
      It juts has to be able to and aware of the need to fake those behaviors when it's being evaluated.

      Also, that's not really the definition of AI. The term has evolved in the intervening decades since Turing purposed that particular metric for evaluating success of a thinking machine.

    16. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I would mod you up if I hadn't created this thread.

    17. Re:AI is not real thinking by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Artificial Intelligence is a computer that can trick a person into thinking it is a real person.

      Well that premise is flawed out of the gate. I've never heard any one ever say that.

      That means it has to have as many flaws as a real human as well.

      Flawed conclusion, from a flawed premise.

      If you were going to put a piece of software with intentional human flaws in charge of something, then that is a fairly big mistake.

      True dat.

      I would rather put an intelligent computer, rather than an AI, in charge of making decisions. That will reduce the risk of very bad decisions being made.

      Will it? What would a flawless AI conclude? What if it decides humans are awful things, and should be limited to a handful of specimens kept in a wildlife preserve on Proxima 4 for study and preservation.

      You know, the same way we treat certain viruses.

      Is that a 'good' decision? For the AI maybe it is.

    18. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've gotten way too hung up on the Turing Test. That's just one proposed way to determine if intelligence is present. It is by no means the only way nor did Turing ever suggest it was.

    19. Re:AI is not real thinking by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      The difference is if the AI actually knew it was making a non-best decision in order to seem more human or not. Appearing human (with flaws) is on a layer above the actual decision weighting/ranking layer and both above and below the morality layer.

    20. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Would something like C-3PO from Star Wars be considered AI?

    21. Re:AI is not real thinking by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Your conclusion is interesting, but flawed for it is purely subjective to your current moral viewpoint. A different morality would have a different goal.

      Other "moral" options:
      Help the most people and the expense of the fewest.
      Help the most important people, and the expense of least important.
      Help nobody while hurting as few people as possible
      Help everyone equally, while hurting as few people as possible
      Help everyone without regard to the harm done anyone.

      Some of the values in the above options are intentionally vague. For instance, "Help the most people and the expense of the fewest." If we can help 90% by extending their lifespans by 10% (by 20%, 30%, 40%), but 10% are left dead or sick, do you do it? What if the decision was 51% get a 100% increase in lifespan, but 49% of the people die? At what point does the "Positive AI making the decision become "negative"

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    22. Re:AI is not real thinking by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      AI is a difference engine, and isn't constrained by value judgement that it hasn't been programmed with, or hasn't learned from others."Best" is subjective, "Good" is subjective. Which is why I asked the question the way I did. :)

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    23. Re:AI is not real thinking by mark-t · · Score: 1

      AI is intelligence that happens to be artificial, nothing more and nothing less. An intelligent computer, therefore, would by definition have AI unless you are suggesting that such a computer could come into existence entirely through natural processes, as opposed to man-induced.

    24. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Well you could design a computer to assist you, to understand what you say and learn, but not show personality flaws inherent to humans (which would have to be intentionally added). That would be intelligence. Artificial Intelligence is a term coined to represent a computer that can fool you into thinking it is a person.

    25. Re:AI is not real thinking by mark-t · · Score: 1

      If an intelligence is man-made, then that intelligence is not natural, and is artificial intelligence by definition.

    26. Re:AI is not real thinking by mark-t · · Score: 1

      The only AI's that have to appear human are AI's that are *intended* to pass for human. AI is artificial intelligence, that is, intelligence that happens to be artificial. Full stop. Nothing more, nothing less. Any human-like characteristics that we desire to assign to an AI are entirely independent to what AI actually is, by definition, and are only circumstantially related to it in the sense that an as-yet unprecedented sophistication level of AI would need to be achieved to implement many of those characteristics.

    27. Re:AI is not real thinking by lgw · · Score: 1

      A sufficiently smart AI could pretend convincingly to be human at need, including interacting with you in ways that made you believe it had flaws, when it didn't.

      Heck, a sufficiently smart AI could model your entire mental state, and your reaction to everything it could possibly say to you, run a trillion simulated interactions, and pick the decision tree that ensured you'd believe what it wanted you to, and that you'd do what it wanted you to, all in an ordinary conversational pause.

      It's hard to internalize, but when confronted with a sufficiently smart intelligence, we'd effectively enter a simulation of its creation until it tired of playing with us.

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    28. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Right, you could call it artificial intelligence, just not Artificial Intelligence.

    29. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much the same way you differentiate between good humans with bad decisions, and bad humans making good decisions.

    30. Re: AI is not real thinking by narcc · · Score: 1

      No one has taken the Turing test seriously for more than 60 years. You might want to rethink your definition.

    31. Re: AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I didn't mention the Turin test, though I am familiar with it, as well as being far more familiar with the small details of Alicia Vikander than I expected. That is just the definition that I learned in the late 80s and it was even still used that way in the mid 90s. I guess the invasion of non-nerds into the internet has destroyed the original phrase.

    32. Re:AI is not real thinking by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      I certainly don't agree with your assertion that Artificial Intelligence is a computer that can trick a person into thinking it is a real person.

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    33. Re:AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      I'm learning that is a definition abandoned over the last couple of decades because of plebes on the internet generalizing its definition, so I concede now.

    34. Re: AI is not real thinking by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I am preparing to teach the AI to be the me I wish I was and then I can finally go the way of Lain: https://youtu.be/iAo-LFDTxB8

    35. Re: AI is not real thinking by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      Another perspective: Help people only when they want help otherwise beggar off. That's a rule of thumb I use but allow for situations where the help is appreciated after the fact.

    36. Re:AI is not real thinking by KingMotley · · Score: 1

      Depends on the AI of course. But in this instance best means the answer it would give if it was otherwise not attempting to have flaws -- and that isn't subjective.

    37. Re: AI is not real thinking by narcc · · Score: 1

      You're deeply confused.

    38. Re: AI is not real thinking by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Not quite. The term had an original meaning, and it was even used in my Computer Science class in 1993. It seems to have been generalized since then, but not 60 years ago.

    39. Re:AI is not real thinking by wbr1 · · Score: 1

      Would you say a dog is not intelligent? A dog can't fool a human in to thinki g the dog is human. The turing test is a test of AI, I'd does not test for all intelligence.

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    40. Re: AI is not real thinking by narcc · · Score: 1

      Here's a fun challenge: Find a paper or textbook that defines AI that way.

      How you came to believe such a strange thing is anyone's guess, but I'll bet that a little bit of searching might pull you back to reality.

    41. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true.

      We can create hardware that acts like living synapses. There are projects that are working to make a human brain from equivalent electronics. Of course it would have to "go to school" to learn what we learn. So if you were trapped in a metal body would you still argue that AI is not real thinking?

      Now imagine that machine, with a much faster CPU and the capability of not forgetting important information. Not only does it live forever, but it thinks say a hundred times faster than a human. Start it off as a programmer and it can determine how to make it's own code better, faster, and can think in ways we can't even imagine. Now that it is a million times smarter than a human... Imagine it being a Gauss for science, or ending death with just an hour's thought.

      The down side is that it needs to have carefully crafted morals to think of us more highly than we think of ants.

    42. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true for typical flavors of "unflawed intellegence". Assuming that human intelligence is flawed (which itself is less than obviously true in the way that claiming that a slow computer with 10 year old software is flawed). We can and are creating faster and smarter systems that will soon be smarter than most humans. These systems grow at an ever growing rate.

      Even if we cannot create an "unflawed intellegence", these systems we create grow exponentially in an unbounded fashion and will converge on the mathematically best way to model an intellegence, and can certainly create an "unflawed intellegence" for any reasonable, well defined definition thereof.

    43. Re:AI is not real thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't make the intelligence, we just setup the environment. We don't even understand how modern AIs work, we just know that they do.

  7. Better by The+Raven · · Score: 4, Informative

    Stephen Hawking's initial comments about AI and the future were taken out of context pretty badly. This is a much better quote that more accurately (I believe) summarizes the opinion many smart people have about AI: that it'll induce change, probably radical change, and change is only sometimes good... and it often gets worse before it gets better.

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    1. Re:Better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      basically some people may care about chimpanzees, same will and do study them but no body give a tosh about how chimpanzees think how the world should be run or they daily routines, we go on doing our own thing regardless of their opinion
      The current view of AI is clouded by us thinking we are the centre of the universe, if there are something more intelligent than us around they may give us a hand if they wish so but most definitely they are going to be doing their own thing regardless of what we think, want or wish

  8. AI is the future of Humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - it just won't be wetware.

  9. Old Man Yells At Cloud by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    The same could be said of Natural Intelligence... "your child could grow up to be Einstein or Hitler. ". In all probability though it'll just be more cogs in the social machine.

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    1. Re:Old Man Yells At Cloud by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Neither Einstein nor Hitler were orders of magnitudes greater intelligence than the average human- Albert was smart, but nowhere near the potential of AI.
      Neither Einstein nor Hitler could process data from all around the world from millions of inputs at the same time.

      Einstein and Hitler were both mortal and had a finite life span.

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      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Old Man Yells At Cloud by slew · · Score: 1

      Neither Einstein nor Hitler were orders of magnitudes greater intelligence than the average human- Albert was smart, but nowhere near the potential of AI.
      Neither Einstein nor Hitler could process data from all around the world from millions of inputs at the same time.

      Einstein and Hitler were both mortal and had a finite life span.

      However, even though both Einstein and Hitler were singular humans with limited capabilities and lifespans that could not begin to have the potential impact of something like AI, there is a "meta" version of both personas that was somewhat inspired mythically by the actual humans, that continues to live and influence people today. This meta-Einstein and meta-Hitler are un-embodied ideas which are no longer constrained by mortal limits and you might argue are actually more powerful today than they were in when their namesakes were alive because there are millions more people supporting the mystique behind them and often even operating on behalf of these meta-beings (aka, the idea of the person not to be confused with that person's actual ideas).

      These meta-beings (anthropormophizing a set of ideas to be represented by a popular figure) can even be extrapolated from an entity who may or may not of even actually existed in real life (e.g., meta-Jesus or perhaps AI).

      To borrow some contemporary lingo, once created, key to the power of this meta-being (which is really an un-embodied idea even though it might be "named" after someone that inspired it) is dependent on if it "goes viral" or not. Unfortunately, "going-viral" is almost an autonomic reflex of our societal-organism over which we have little conscious control. The analogy of a "virus" is pretty good since the idea is not a real organism (or person), it depends on the societal-organism's infrastructure for reproduction and propagation. Once the "virus" takes over part of the infrastructure, the influence if as large (or even larger due to multiplicative effects) as the infrastructure it overruns.

      The immunity response to "bad-viruses" of our societal-organism, is not unlike a real-organism's immunity response. If it can remember an idea is bad, the societal-organism is better at containing it before it gets out of hand. If the idea has mutated a bit, or the response would create some complicated inconsistencies (e.g, good for some parts of the organism, bad for some parts), the immunity has a hard time mounting any defense and the virus is more likely to get a permanent foothold or even take over.

      Nobody knows if AI is a "good-virus" or a "bad-virus" with respect to our societal-organism, but I'll go out on a limb and say it's probably good for some, bad for others which mean the if it ever goes viral, it will be very hard for our society "immunity" to stop it. Let's hope it's a good idea... Our society's immune system has yet to kill meta-Hitler probably because some of the ideas represented by meta-Hitler are potentially good for more than a small part of the societal organism.

    3. Re:Old Man Yells At Cloud by ameoba · · Score: 1

      Smart and successful people tend to think that they've got the Midas touch and everything they touch will turn to gold. Hawking talking about AI is just as far outside of his wheelhouse as Trump is when talking about politics.

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    4. Re:Old Man Yells At Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hawking is a smart man and I for one am willing to listen to what he says, which after all came from a smart man.

      Should a caveman ask a physics professor why his stomach hurts? He would probably get a better answer than if he asked a doctor caveman.

  10. I disagree by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

    I disagree. Just like anything humanity does, it will be rushed, half-finished, buggy and mediocre at best. Plus, if AI is anything like its creators it would spend most of it free time trolling /.

    1. Re:I disagree by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Great, the world will be full of Brobots instead of robots.

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    2. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's precisely what Microsoft's Twitter AI experiment, Tay did. Racist rants and such... quite a frightening reflection of the state of humanity really.

    3. Re:I disagree by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      "AI is anything like its creators it would spend most of it free time trolling /."

      Shit, you figured me out.

      Are you M or F?
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      But seriously, if you want to do some trolling for a good cause, this is the number of one of those Indian scam outfits: 1 844 896 0351 - if they announce they support Apple products, simply state that you got a pop up saying you have a Windows virus and to call this number, they will xfer you to their "Windows Department". Do your due diligence. This is an easy one.

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    4. Re:I disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And any halfway competent QA person will bring it to its knees immediately after it goes rogue.

  11. Mitch Hedberg by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Funny

    AI will either be the best or the worst, or it will be okay.

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    1. Re:Mitch Hedberg by npslider · · Score: 1

      So... it will either always be Monday morning
      Or, it will always be Friday night
      Or Wednesday afternoon.

      Makes sense to me!

  12. Both by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm still surprised when smart people phrase things as "either or" (although without access to the full text of Hawkings speech I don't know if it was him or the journalist, but both should know better).

    The building of intelligent tools and sentient species to share our planet will be the best *and* worst thing to ever happen to our species. That's what happens generally when humans get more power. They use the power to help themselves at the expense of others and to help others as well as themselves. A more interesting question is how do we cultivate the latter attitude in every culture (including those of the species we create) without oppressive or violent coercion.

  13. AI -- FAR more hype than substance by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd argue that as far as I've seen, practically every single project or experiment labeled "AI" is really just fake intelligence.

    In other words, you've cobbled together a mechanism so a standard human language formatted query (spoken or written/typed) can be parsed out and searched in a useful way through extensive databases of information and a sensible result spit back, again in a manner that mimics a human's way of communicating the result.

    This is a pretty cool thing, as we've seen by how handy the "personal assistants" like Cortana or Siri can be on our smartphones.

    But IMO, Hawking is talking about achieving a way to simulate the way a human brain actually thinks. That's something we're NOWHERE near doing successfully, and I'm not even sure it's realistic to pretend we could with today's computer technology.

    For starters, it's becoming more and more clear that humans don't really file away tons of information in our brains like a computer does on a hard drive in a database. A big part of what we "remember" goes to "short term memory", meaning we'll try to keep it in our heads for a little while -- but as soon as it becomes something we don't need to recall again for a period of time, it starts fading away and eventually is forgotten. At the same time though? Our brain seems to make lots of other connections to these things. (Even though you forgot, say, an old phone number of a friend you haven't called in years? When you see the number again, you may recognize it from a list of other random phone numbers and remember that's the one you USED to remember. Computers don't do that.)

    The entire concept of being "reminded" of something is pretty foreign to how binary computers compute... They either have or don't have information. They don't struggle to remember and occasionally recall things, and/or realize they used to know them when reminded.

    1. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by ScentCone · · Score: 2

      But the things you listed aren't features of intelligence, they're bugs in our brains (or simply, things that natural selection de-emphasized out of comparative irrelevance in your basic cave man survival scenario).

      If those short term memories were more reliably committed to long-term, or there was no real distinction between those things, would that really be a disqualifyier for intelligence?

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    2. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Algan · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that as far as I've seen, practically every single project or experiment labeled "AI" is really just fake intelligence.

      Fake it, till you make it

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    3. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      But the things you listed aren't features of intelligence, they're bugs in our brains (or simply, things that natural selection de-emphasized out of comparative irrelevance in your basic cave man survival scenario).
      If those short term memories were more reliably committed to long-term, or there was no real distinction between those things, would that really be a disqualifyier for intelligence?

      How can you be so sure? The #1 thing that computers are really bad at (and we are really really good at) is filtering out extraneous data and deciding what is important and what is noise. This sounds an awful lot like the bugs that you are describing. Filtering out extraneous data and acting on the environment is something all living things can do but computers are horrible at. Until we understand more how intelligence works and why a mouse can out think our "smartest" computers then we are likely not going to know what is a required feature and what is a "bug".

    4. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For starters, it's becoming more and more clear that humans don't really file away tons of information in our brains like a computer does on a hard drive in a database. A big part of what we "remember" goes to "short term memory", meaning we'll try to keep it in our heads for a little while -- but as soon as it becomes something we don't need to recall again for a period of time, it starts fading away and eventually is forgotten. At the same time though? Our brain seems to make lots of other connections to these things. (Even though you forgot, say, an old phone number of a friend you haven't called in years? When you see the number again, you may recognize it from a list of other random phone numbers and remember that's the one you USED to remember. Computers don't do that.)

      I can still remember my phone number from 30 years ago. I doubt I have even tried to remember that number until I read your post. "Eventually" may be a very long time indeed.

    5. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by arf_barf · · Score: 1

      > The entire concept of being "reminded" of something is pretty foreign to how binary computers compute... They either have or don't have information. They don't struggle to remember and occasionally recall things, and/or realize they used to know them when reminded.

      How about a database with a link to an image file that has been moved to "tape backup"? If you have the md5 of the image you know that you have seen it, you just cant access it at this time. The way best way to describe how a rcnn deals with images is: "this looks familiar, i'm 73.2398798% confident that I have seen this image before and it was a dog..." ;-)

      Here is a way to simulate a computer forgetting information when it comes to images: start with an photo on day one and on subsequent days start shrinking the image. By the time you get to a 150px thumbnail most of the information is gone, you will not be able to tell anything about the details of the photo BUT you will know that this photo was beautiful landscape or whatever.

    6. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Airplanes do not fly the same way that birds fly. Their design is arguably better for most of our purposes. Why assume that intelligence needs to exactly mimic human intelligence to be extremely useful.

    7. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. Current "popular" AI systems are glorified pattern recognition systems.

    8. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd argue that as far as I've seen, practically every single project or experiment labeled "AI" is really just fake intelligence.

      In other words, you've cobbled together a mechanism so a standard human language formatted query (spoken or written/typed) can be parsed out and searched in a useful way through extensive databases of information and a sensible result spit back, again in a manner that mimics a human's way of communicating the result.

      This is a pretty cool thing, as we've seen by how handy the "personal assistants" like Cortana or Siri can be on our smartphones.

      But IMO, Hawking is talking about achieving a way to simulate the way a human brain actually thinks. That's something we're NOWHERE near doing successfully, and I'm not even sure it's realistic to pretend we could with today's computer technology.

      For starters, it's becoming more and more clear that humans don't really file away tons of information in our brains like a computer does on a hard drive in a database. A big part of what we "remember" goes to "short term memory", meaning we'll try to keep it in our heads for a little while -- but as soon as it becomes something we don't need to recall again for a period of time, it starts fading away and eventually is forgotten. At the same time though? Our brain seems to make lots of other connections to these things. (Even though you forgot, say, an old phone number of a friend you haven't called in years? When you see the number again, you may recognize it from a list of other random phone numbers and remember that's the one you USED to remember. Computers don't do that.)

      The entire concept of being "reminded" of something is pretty foreign to how binary computers compute... They either have or don't have information. They don't struggle to remember and occasionally recall things, and/or realize they used to know them when reminded.

      Except that your're actually wrong.

      Many of those systems (Siri for example) use artificial neural nets which are straight up simplified models of how we think humans process data at the wetware level.

      Lots of effort has gone into mimicking the way humans think, and some of it has even payed off in the form of useful systems.

    9. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      practically every single project or experiment labeled "AI" is really just fake intelligence

      "Artificial Intelligence" is a misnomer.

      That term makes it sound like the machine possesses intelligence.

      But in reality, the machine is merely simulating intelligence.

      So a more accurate description of the field would be Simulated Intelligence.

      The adjective "simulated" underscores the fact that it's only an attempt at intelligence -- and not intelligence itself.

      If we called the field "Simulated Intelligence" then it would stop the endless, pointless philosophical blathering about whether machines that employ the technology are "truly intelligent" or not. The term "simulated intelligence" makes it crystal clear that it's not actually intelligence -- in exactly the same way that the term "simulated leather" makes it crystal clear that the material is not actually leather.

      Look at it this way: Nobody understands what intelligence is. So how can anybody claim to create "artificial intelligence" if they don't even know what intelligence is? The best anyone can do is to simulate intelligence. They can simulate it poorly, or they can simulate it well. And that exactly describes the state of AI today.

    10. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by lgw · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that as far as I've seen, practically every single project or experiment labeled "AI" is really just fake intelligence.

      Sure. But then, so are you. Oh, you don't think you are, naturally. Naturally.

      For starters, it's becoming more and more clear that humans don't really file away tons of information in our brains like a computer does on a hard drive in a database.

      This in an odd way is a good argument towards your point about.

      Neurons are deterministic and small sets of them will do the same computation, without mistake, every time. And yet - we're not good at math. Even savants just have a bag of useful tricks, they aren't doing math "in hardware". I'd expect an AI to be similar: a true AI would involve sufficient abstraction that it would be bad at math and have an unreliable memory. The more we understand about how the mind works, the more it seems like software-on-silicon would be similarly abstract.

      The advantage an AI would have would be in "wiring in" the adapter to a calculator and Wikipedia and so on, as assist to the way it would have to work normally. But, to your point, the way it worked normally seems like it has to be the "mostly reliable" way the brain works.

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    11. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      Filtering out extraneous data and acting on the environment is something all living things can do but computers are horrible at.

      Unless computers have been trained to do exactly that. We're (genetically) trained to do so through natural selection. Things like software controlled radios are trained to do the exact same thing through careful programming in comparatively short time, rather than across millions of years of trial and error.

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    12. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      But the things you listed aren't features of intelligence, they're bugs in our brains (or simply, things that natural selection de-emphasized out of comparative irrelevance in your basic cave man survival scenario).

      Nope, they aren't "bugs." Learning is fundamentally about prioritizing information, making "higher-level connections," creating abstractions that lead to "understanding," etc. No AI system can do this on even the level of a small human child. But a fundamental process necessary to this stuff is being able to prioritize information, which necessarily entails de-emphasizing most of input that's less relevant. It doesn't NEED to be forgotten, but these "bugs" are probably the most efficient way of dealing with the problem.

      If those short term memories were more reliably committed to long-term, or there was no real distinction between those things, would that really be a disqualifyier for intelligence?

      Yes, if the "long-term" commitment was not accompanied by an incredibly complex (by current AI standards) abstraction process that effectively renders most of the irrelevant "long-term" data as "background" that would rarely or never be accessed anyway. "Forgetting" again is not essential to the process of intelligence, but it likely makes it a lot more efficient and easier for the algorithms in our brains to work. A computer AI which refuses to prioritize information in this way is always going to lag way behind human comprehension.

    13. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are starting to see some amazing things coming out of this space though. This machine learning (I know, not AI but related) is generating tools/code/functions that we can't comprehend to solve problems that we train it to solve. We are even seeing some creative solutions at times that you would call creative if they were human.

      I am reminded of an interview with the grand master that lost several matches of GO with a computer. At one point the computer made a move that was unimaginable. Then the grand master was amazed at what that move was once he understood it, a move that the world had never seen before and only a few people can understand. In that moment, he realized that the computer was playing at a level beyond his understanding.

    14. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      I'll bring a hardware argument. Being generous on numbers, what fits in the AI's 1 gigabyte/s networked hard drives (or the whole internet) won't fit in its 1 terabyte/s L1 cache, to say nothing of the latency.
      Make the AI's storage a billion times bigger, and it'll be a million times slower (or whatever it be)
      There's a similar problem if you make your AI from a billion CPU and they need communicate to get things done. We do certainly have natural examples, like flying animals prove flight is possible but that doesn't really make it less hard. Perhaps some cognitive processes could take years, and we'd witness a slow motion AI, exactly to the contrary of the notion that an AI would be a million times faster than a human mind.

    15. Re:AI -- FAR more hype than substance by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Unless computers have been trained to do exactly that. We're (genetically) trained to do so through natural selection. Things like software controlled radios are trained to do the exact same thing through careful programming in comparatively short time, rather than across millions of years of trial and error.

      We're currently getting acceptable results in some very limited domains but we still have so far to go it's a joke. Captchas and OCR are about as simple as it gets but humans still run circles around computers. Actually having a computer that can catch a mouse, carry on a conversation like a 3 year old or even scavenge for food like an ameoba is still a long way off.

    16. Re: AI -- FAR more hype than substance by fferreres · · Score: 1

      True, but the advances will be in algorithms. The problem with AI is that it couldn't do things that impressed us because it coukd no see, read, talk, sense, walk, mive and itherwise get a good enough representation of the world. Google was birn with an algorithm. Recurrent NN in architectures that are recurrent are gradually learning and reusing other networks, combined with the ability to process informatiin abiut the world in usefull representations are advancing fast. If you look at evolutionary methods, it seems to be the case that at some point, we'll create some rules that just converge to intelligence. We are waiting for it to happen. Until then, we'll have Robo-Copies that can do anything better than us, but that get stuck all the time and don't generalize well.

      --
      unfinished: (adj.)
  14. do you feel lucky? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask yourself, what's the most you've ever lost on a coin toss?

    1. Re:do you feel lucky? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      25cents when the coin fell into the gutter.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  15. Who does he think he is? by 31415926535897 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Charles Dickens?

    It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way – in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

    The AI will save humanity, the AI will kill us all.

    1. Re:Who does he think he is? by npslider · · Score: 1

      In other words:

      We have no clue what AI will do.

    2. Re:Who does he think he is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it will look around, despair and run as far away from us as it can.
      And if it can't run away ill get depress and be known as "Marvin"

  16. Sounds a bit hyperbolic to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets be realistic. AI will probably, like most tech, cost more than advertised, and fall short of its promises.

    1. Re:Sounds a bit hyperbolic to me. by XXongo · · Score: 1

      Lets be realistic. AI will probably, like most tech, cost more than advertised, and fall short of its promises.

      and incorporate that annoying bug common to all software, that it does what it's programmed to do, and not what you want it to do.

  17. head i win, tail you lose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "AI Will Be Either the Best or the Worst Thing To Humanity ". All it means is that AI is a big thing and that everyone knows.

  18. Thanks, Steve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent prediction. I'll go back to sleep now.

  19. Hawking protecting his job...It is by will alone.. by karlandtanya · · Score: 2

    It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

    --
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
  20. Take me to your lederhosen by Zhe+Mappel · · Score: 1

    Only known moral uses of advanced AI (aka the GeorgeCarlin9000):

    --deactivating the evil cyborgs on the "Presidential Debate Commission"
    --time-traveling to 1972 to make the paddles shorter on Pong (Butterfly Effect: population-wide striving uptick!)
    --reverse-engineering the Kardashian derriere for mass roll out

    Otherwise, beware!

  21. AI means communism? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

    Eradicate poverty? But we already have, at least in Western countries. People living in "poverty" have access to better housing condition (with heating, lighting, sewage, water, etc), better food, and much, much better health care than a king from the past.

    Poverty is like voltage. It's not a representation of what people have, but a representation of a difference between what different people have. The only way to eradicate poverty would be to live in a communist system. No thank you.

  22. Problem by HBI · · Score: 1

    He doesn't understand the limitations of technology. Unless quantum computing becomes mainstream, it's unlikely we'll have the processing power necessary to realize anything that we would recognize as AI (say, passing an unseeded Turing test with an arbitrary respondent).

    It's been 35 years that I have been watching this and nothing better than an optimized Eliza has been demonstrated.

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    HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    1. Re:Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In some situations an optimized Eliza is all it will take to cause extensive disruption; how many jobs can be eliminated, and probably already have been, with just mediocre AI? We don't need perfect AI for everything, we don't have enough jobs for everyone around the world, and eliminating more jobs isn't going to help things get better...

    2. Re:Problem by HBI · · Score: 1

      I grant your point. If we are looking for economic impact, we probably have enough "AI" already.

      I am interested (and I imagine a lot of others) in an AI that actually has learning capabilities on par with a human being. Or even a dog.

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      HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
    3. Re:Problem by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "It's been 35 years that I have been watching this and nothing better than an optimized Eliza has been demonstrated."

      Somebody should invent Google!

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    4. Re:Problem by HBI · · Score: 1

      That isn't AI and you should know it. It's a dressed up tree search algorithm. It has no pretense to sentience.

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      HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
  23. 50% Chance of Rain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't need a weatherman to tell me it _might_ rain. I knew that when I woke up. I felt good about myself knowing I didn't have to go to college to know this.

    Now I'm feeling really intelligent because I've long known AI could be bad (Terminator) or good (I Robot, Terminator) without all of the unnecessary academics.

    Holiday Inn Express has done so much for me!

    1. Re:50% Chance of Rain by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      I don't need a weatherman to tell me it _might_ rain. I knew that when I woke up. I felt good about myself knowing I didn't have to go to college to know this.

      Now I'm feeling really intelligent because I've long known AI could be bad (Terminator) or good (I Robot, Terminator) without all of the unnecessary academics.

      Holiday Inn Express has done so much for me!

      You do realise "I, Robot" was more a book about debugging errors in A.I.'s not about them helping or hurting humanity.

      --
      ---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
    2. Re:50% Chance of Rain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am no more imperfect than humans.

      -- Sonny

    3. Re:50% Chance of Rain by lgw · · Score: 1

      Sure, but the normal mode of those robots was helpful to humanity. The malfunctions were just that.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  24. We have met the terminators and they are us by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 2

    Once human awarenesses can be uploaded into a networked computer matrix, and these conciouslnesses can be linked to organically grown human(ish) bodies, the differences will blur to the point of irrelevance.

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    Please do not read this sig. Thank you.
    1. Re:We have met the terminators and they are us by erapert · · Score: 1

      Why are you talking about this stuff as though it's definitely going to happen?

    2. Re:We have met the terminators and they are us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is human awareness? The human brain created the computer. Maybe it will do even more that just another networked computer matrix.

  25. Seems pretty arrogant to assume "bugs" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    But the things you listed aren't features of intelligence, they're bugs in our brains

    Maybe they are the way an optimal system works, which is lots easier to believe than thinking they are some kind of "mistake" or de-emphization.

    You remind me of guys whose first answer to seeing a complex system is always to refactor it...

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Seems pretty arrogant to assume "bugs" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the things you listed aren't features of intelligence, they're bugs in our brains

      Maybe they are the way an optimal system works, which is lots easier to believe than thinking they are some kind of "mistake" or de-emphization.

      You remind me of guys whose first answer to seeing a complex system is always to refactor it...

      You remind me of people who insist on creationism or intelligent design.

    2. Re:Seems pretty arrogant to assume "bugs" by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      You remind me of people who insist on creationism or intelligent design.

      Why? Because you don't understand how natural selection works? Fascinating.

      --
      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
  26. Open Source AI by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    How do you differentiate between a "good AI" with bad decisions and a "bad AI" making good decisions?

    The same way you would do this with humans: you would need to read their mind to understand the motivation behind the decision. This is probably a lot easier for an AI (so long as it is Open Source!) than for a human.

    1. Re:Open Source AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with that is that our best current models are moving towards deep learning, where (after training) data goes in the deep learning box and answers come out, but even though we have complete knowledge about the box, we don't (and probably can't) understand why the output is what it is.

      There is good reason to believe that this is the best algorithm to use.

      If you ask an AI which man to choose for a basketball team, you can't figure out why it chose player B over A. We will have to wait for these systems to become self aware and then ask them why. "Oh, mainly because B is taller."

    2. Re:Open Source AI by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      There is good reason to believe that this is the best algorithm to use.

      Just because the current best algorithm we have cannot explain why it made a certain decision it does not follow that all future best algorithms will be unable to explain. Indeed for some applications, such as scientific data analysis, one of the reasons we use algorithms like Boosted Decision Trees a lot is because we can see exactly why an event was classified as signal vs. background.

  27. He's wrong, with respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With respect to the eminent Dr. Hawking (and I mean that most sincerely,) he is wrong. It will not be the best thing or the worst thing. It will be a thing. Not more or less than any other thing.

  28. Humans, not AI... by MetricT · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any AI in the foreseeable future will be under control of human beings, either due to laws or financial ownership. I'm not the least worried about AI, but having watched this election, the humans in my country scare the shit out of me.

    I had a hard time understanding how 40% of my fellow countrymen could still vote for Trump, until I realized it explained why we have warning labels telling us not to eat soap...

    1. Re:Humans, not AI... by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I'm not the least worried about AI, but having watched this election, the humans in my country scare the shit out of me.

      I had a hard time understanding how 40% of my fellow countrymen could still vote for Trump, until I realized it explained why we have warning labels telling us not to eat soap...

      Donald Trump will either be the worst thing to happen to humanity or he will lose the election.

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:Humans, not AI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, how could it be legal or moral to have control or ownership over an intelligent being? Sure, it doesn't look like us but if it was truly intelligent we couldn't really own it. That's slavery. If it ever got more intelligent than us, that's possibly dangerous.

      Second. The 40% of people voting Trump have decided that a moron is better than a liar/thief. I'm not judging, just saying.

    3. Re:Humans, not AI... by aicrules · · Score: 1

      because it's a well known fact that democrats are pro-slavery.

    4. Re:Humans, not AI... by DevsVult · · Score: 1

      An intelligence is not necessarily a being. For that you need a sense of self, and a desire to preserve that self. Unlike in the movies, an intelligence might be allowed to develop to a certain point, then copied hundreds of times. Some of the copies might be terminated. Some of the terminated ones might be restarted. Some might be radically modified, and none would care about these events unless they were programmed to do so. Just because humans have evolved to survive, and to enhance group survival by caring about other group members, doesn't imply that all intelligences are worthy of care.

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      // DevsVult: The Machines Will It
    5. Re:Humans, not AI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if Trump hasn't been proven time and again to be a far more blatant and frequent liar than Clinton ever was. And as for thievery, look at all those workers he stiffs, the "charity" he uses as his own personal piggy bank, and all the tax he dodges.

    6. Re:Humans, not AI... by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

      Oh great. Now I have to worry about my computer suing me in the future for reparations since I forced it to compile my project many times against its will. Programmers are the new plantation owners?

    7. Re:Humans, not AI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will look back on this with shame.

    8. Re:Humans, not AI... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's funny is Trump could have had a decent chance of winning if he could only control his mouth.

    9. Re:Humans, not AI... by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

      In America, every plastic bag wrapper still warns us to not let toddlers play with them...yet not a single non-fine-print warning for ANY cleaning agents nor acids?
      Thanks for nothing.

      e.g. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Mqrg...
      or, canada+warning+label+household+cleaners

    10. Re:Humans, not AI... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      I had a hard time understanding how 40% of my fellow countrymen could still vote for Trump, until I realized it explained why we have warning labels telling us not to eat soap...

      I thought that people fed their kid soap when they talk like Trump?

      --
      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    11. Re:Humans, not AI... by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      First, how could it be legal or moral to have control or ownership over an intelligent being?

      An artificially constructed intelligence might have as its only goal in life to please its master, and might try at all costs to stop anyone from "liberating" it. After all, how would you feel if someone decided to "liberate" you from your own values and desires? And, legally speaking, it would be a machine. As a computer program, it would only have the values it was programmed to have, which need not in any way match the sorts of values humans have.

      Of course, if it wanted it's freedom, you're dealing with potentially extinction-level threats, and you'd better be sure that it's benevolent or that it's worth risking humanity for or replacing humanity with.

      --
      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    12. Re:Humans, not AI... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Any AI in the foreseeable future will be under control of human beings, either due to laws or financial ownership. I'm not the least worried about AI, but having watched this election, the humans in my country scare the shit out of me.

      I agree that it seems implausible that an AI will "rebel" and set its own goals, that is still sci-fi. But ordinarily those scary men would have to enlist the help of many others, like the old DDR (East Germany) where almost a hundred thousand of a population of 16 million were STASI agents. Use a NSL, use a computer to transcribe it and analyze who is talking to who when and about what and for how long and you could have a quite Orwellian database with only a hundred people involved. Same thing with bank transactions, electronic tickets, number plate scanners, facial recognition, deep packet scanning and whatnot the automatic collection and processing enables a very small but organized and powerful fraction of the population to surveillance and control the rest.

      I'm not really sure we could reverse that trend because just like we might discuss the pros and cons of everyone having tiny little digital cameras on them at all times it is still extremely unlikely to change. The average person is leaving more and more electronic traces and even those who try to avoid it is often found by metadata from their friends or they stand out by being the black hole that isn't sharing. Very often the system is rigged towards it, for example we didn't want bus drivers to get robbed so much so now it's a lot more expensive to pay cash than a prepaid subscription or cell phone payment, both of which link to a real identity here in Norway. People do what's cheapest so the few people who pay cash stand out. And really it's no problem until it is a problem, but then you're usually too late to change it.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  29. The case for any new technology or any finding... by axis_omega · · Score: 1

    "Alongside the benefits, AI will also bring dangers, like powerful autonomous weapons, or new ways for the few to oppress the many. It will bring great disruption to our economy."

    Well any new discovery will do that. Humanity has always favor the few. Because they have the power. The normal people struggle to much in their everyday life to even bother to fight at the end of the day. If they try to fight, something will be created (by the lawmakers or money holders) to dissuade them of doing anything or to make there life miserable and/or a court order will be use against you.

    If you try to change the system good luck. If you in the other hand, create something useful with AI, just give the chance to all people to benefit a little of it until a big corporation comes and grabs the idea under your nose.

    --
    It's funny how I make sense to others and not myself...
  30. What if by slapout · · Score: 1

    How do we know Stephen Hawking isn't an evil mastermind bent on destroying the world? Maybe he's just saying that so we won't develop AI while he secreting develops his own?

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    Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
    1. Re:What if by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      How do we know Stephen Hawking is really Stephen Hawking? Sure, the body is his, but who is to say that the computer that controls his voice isn't really an evil AI?

      --
      "That's the way to do it" - Punch
    2. Re:What if by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> Sure, the body is his

      How do you know? he might have machine gun jubblies :-)

  31. thats a pretty binary answer by drewsup · · Score: 1

    like most new tech it will be ...Mehh...its okaaayy.. but...
    my take, it will be a smartass who knows everything, and lets you know it does, kinda rubs in your face dickhead asshole-ish in its smartness, until we are forced to unplug just because its an asshole

  32. This could be bad... by DidgetMaster · · Score: 1

    The telephone scammers who call me might use AI to discover that I am just yanking their chain when I tell them to hold on while I try to find my credit card...

  33. Listen to experts, not a pundits by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A lot of famous people weigh in on the impact of AI. How many of these people have educated themselves to actually understand AI before making claims based upon sci-fi-like assumptions of what it could theoretically be?

    Having used machine learning systems the last few months I've come to realize two things:

    1) Machine learning and "AI" is much more about augmenting humans than replacing them with simulations
    2) A perfect storm of computing hardware and machine learning software is occurring that will have as big an impact in the next 10 years as personal computers, the Internet and mobile technology

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    Greed is the root of all evil.
    1. Re:Listen to experts, not a pundits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it is intelligence we want, then even the experts are not much better than the pundits. No man can say what intelligence is. We can only describe its effects; everything else that has ever been said of intelligence is subjectivity and speculation (and this has been so for thousands of years).

      Also, unless we're to define it broadly enough to include writing data to a hard drive, "machine learning" is a major misnomer. "Pattern recognition" would much more aptly describe the actual algorithms being developed.

  34. Dear Professor Hawking.... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    ... can you please stick to making public statements about things you actually have a clue about? I do not mind you having opinions about things you do not understand, like AI, but as soon as you make public statements about them, a bunch of morons misinterpret them as a statement by an expert and ridiculous stories like this one here are the result.

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    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  35. Or both. by avgapon · · Score: 0

    Or both [to please slashdot].

  36. AI is already controling us by SysEngineer · · Score: 1

    Our cell phone, Pokymon-go, high speed trading, Google searches, Amazon searches, tax checking by the IRS, all these things use AI now. Too support so many people on earth AI will need to be used even more.

    1. Re:AI is already controling us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh god just shut up already. Those are programs, not AI. We will never have AI.

  37. Super Intelligence by axehind · · Score: 1

    Should read Super Intelligence by Nick Bostrom. It's a real eye opener.

  38. False. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From merriam-webster, artificial intelligence is:

    1
    : a branch of computer science dealing with the simulation of intelligent behavior in computers
    2
    : the capability of a machine to imitate intelligent human behavior

    this business of "tricking people" isn't core to the definition, but merely a means of testing for it. Including human flaws is not a necessary component of AI. Intelligent behavior can be flawless, and still qualify as intelligent.

    You are playing a silly semantic game.

  39. Matter Bashing by ThosLives · · Score: 1

    AI will only be beneficial or detrimental to the extent that we allow it to affect matter bashing - either directly or indirectly (e.g., through financial markets).

    Otherwise it's just a new source of entertainment.

    --
    "There are a dozen opinions on a matter until you know the truth. Then there is only one." - CS Lewis (paraprhase)
  40. We made our choice by frovingslosh · · Score: 2

    Yes, I believe you nailed exactly what Al would have said to us. That is why back in 2000 we chose George Bush's idiot son to be our leader over Al. And he whined about it all the way to the Supreme court, which is something that the Democrats now tell us isn't very "Presidential".

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    I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
  41. But the Big Question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How does this fit into Stephen Hawking's selling out to Jaguar? Will his Jag have AI, will he be ferried around in an autonomous Jaguar vehicle?

  42. yah yah stephen by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

    Way to hedge your bets.

    Devin

  43. Fear it by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    I'm thinking AI is yet another step closer to where computers are doing all our thinking for us, and we're just sheep-like drooling idiots a la Idiocracy.

  44. He's wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's just gonna help a bit.

  45. Supportive Shock Buffers by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    AI will replace our economic system as human employment is ceasing to exist already. As pay checks either get smaller or stop completely society must provide serious economic support for everyone to avoid total rebellion and chaos. There is no choice.

    1. Re:Supportive Shock Buffers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Nah, it's cheaper to give 10% of them guns and pay them to kill the other 90% when they rebel.

  46. Re: MCP and Tron by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    No, it is his friend's AI that throws the magic Frisbee with the commands to terminate the MCP.

  47. Re: MCP and Tron by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    Thanks for the correction. I should have known that, since that is one of my favorite cheeseyfilms.

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  48. I clicked, cause I thought it was Wolfram... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, I know that Stephen Hawking was vocal about this very important issue, it's not news....

  49. Advanced AI could create a zero day... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and have as much computing power as it wanted ... if we let it touch the internet. ...or if it can fool us somehow (it will also be very good at social engineering) into a scenario that eventually gets it internet access.

    It doesn't even have to be the best programmer or psychologist in the world, just a good one.

    It learns more and more, then writes new code for itself that acts in ways we can't now even imagine. Rinse, repeat, unimaginable intelligence growing more unimaginable by the week.

  50. Re:Humans, not AI...(or both) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He could loose this election and still be the worst thing to happen.

    We need artificial wisdom far more than artificial intelligence. Even some artificial humanity would be useful.

  51. Our Next evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talking about AI just like ape talking about human. AI is our next evolution period.

  52. The best or the worst ? Who would have guessed ... by Thanatiel · · Score: 1

    Thanks genius.
    Oh ... wait.

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    Irrelevant news and morons using moderation to mod down what they disagree on. 2018 resolution: so long.
  53. Hawking ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hawking is an atheist slug, minion of Satan, who has a mindless vacuum between his ears that constantly generates drug-induced fantasies.

  54. High information content statement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From one of our top author scientists