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Over 10,000 Facebook Users Worldwide Falsely Check in at Standing Rock To Confuse Police (time.com)

More than 100,000 people from around the world have checked in on Facebook at the site of Dakota Access Pipeline protests in North Dakota, in an effort they hope will help protesters avoid detection by police. From a report on Vice:A call went out for Facebook users over the weekend to falsely check in at Standing Rock to confuse the police regarding protester identities and numbers. But it isn't clear whether the directive came from organizers on the ground at the Camp of the Sacred Stone, who call themselves Water Protectors because of the purported threat that the planned pipeline poses to Standing Rock's water supply, or whether it's a hoax. Protesters have been camped out at Standing Rock since April in response to the planned Energy Transfers Pipeline, but tensions reached a boiling point last week when protesters clashed with police and several vehicles were set on fire. Scenes of standoffs between riot police and protesters linked arm-in-arm were broadcast online via Facebook Live. Law enforcement used a sound cannon in an attempt to disperse protesters. Protest leaders in North Dakota say they were surprised by the Facebook check-in effort, but they appreciate it.

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  1. 10K, 100K, does't matter by kwerle · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re: 10K, 100K, does't matter by dywolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      they reported the truth to many times.
      for RWNJs that's a sign of bias.

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    2. Re:10K, 100K, does't matter by Guybrush_T · · Score: 5, Insightful

      To some effect in fact. Even if the check-in is useless, this story brought more media attention, which can result in more protest, and more chances on the project being abandoned.

    3. Re: 10K, 100K, does't matter by cain · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well looking that the sites that that search brings up, I've decided that Snopes is still pretty trustworthy. They are all just seem to be political hack sites that themselves seem overly biased.

      I'd be interested in an actual source if you have one.

    4. Re:10K, 100K, does't matter by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I'm unfaimilar with Facebook. What is "check in at Standing Rock" mean? They just list their location as being there or something? Couldn't we all just list our location as 10 feet behind Obama and see if the secret service freaks out?

  2. In unrelated news... by number6x · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I unrelated news, the Department of Homeland Security has added over 10,000 facebook users to the US No-Fly list, as suspected supporters of terrorism

    1. Re:In unrelated news... by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, that would draw a lot of attention to that ridiculous list that has no real oversight...

    2. Re:In unrelated news... by mspohr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A couple of problems here:
      - The Standing Rock tribe says the land is theirs. It was given to them in an 1851 treaty. Of course, the treaty was quickly violated as soon as the white folks wanted the land but at some point they should get their land back
      - "Defacing property" is spray painting on the blades of bulldozers... not really any damage... more like freedom of speech
      - "Interfering with a police investigation"... this is actually interfering with the police unlawful snooping on private individuals but they deny they are doing it so not really interfering with anything

      (I agree that the "no fly" list is BS)

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    3. Re: In unrelated news... by jmac_the_man · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Defacing property" is spray painting on the blades of bulldozers... not really any damage... more like freedom of speech

      I'm not sure if you read the summary, but protestors lit a number of construction vehicles on fire, causing $2.5 million in damage.

      Also, if you spray paint on something that isn't yours (like the blade of someone else's bulldozer), that's vandalism and a crime. It's only free speech if it's your bulldozer.

    4. Re: In unrelated news... by Khyber · · Score: 2

      "I'm not sure if you read the summary, but protestors lit a number of construction vehicles on fire, causing $2.5 million in damage. "

      I'm not sure that you've been paying attention, but it was learned that private contractors acting on behalf of the oil companies have been agent provocateurs. Wanna bet they're the ones causing the damage?

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    5. Re: In unrelated news... by mspohr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The construction vehicle fires are suspicious. They weren't anywhere near the encampment and there are no suspects. Could be false agents.
      OTOH, the construction company private army has attacked peaceful protesters with dogs, batons, tear gas, etc.

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    6. Re:In unrelated news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

      That isn't what is happening here though, here we have protesters trespassing on private property

      It's not "private property". It belongs to the tribe.

      http://www.kfyrtv.com/content/...

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    7. Re:In unrelated news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      So you are claiming that the tribe actually owns most of South Dakota west of the Missouri River?! Including, by the way, all of Rapid City.

      Right.

      Well, just because you and some tribe members say so doesn't mean that they automatically have the right to take over everything in Rapid City, nor the construction site. Maybe you and they should actually try to win a legal case about that first?

      Nobody's asking for Rapid City. They're just trying to maintain access to fresh water for their families.

      "In October, protestors began occupying a portion of private land just north of the reservation that lay directly in the pipeline’s path. They argued that this slice of land rightfully belongs to Native Americans under the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868, signed by eight tribes and the US government. (A decade after the treaty was signed, the land was seized back by the US government in 1877 after a conflict over gold mining, a move that was only deemed illegal in 1980 by the Supreme Court.) “We have never ceded this land,” said Joye Braun of the Indigenous Environmental Network in a statement."

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    8. Re:In unrelated news... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      So, you are saying that the tribe does, indeed, own all of Rapid City and a bunch of other land, just because you and they say so.

      No, because there's a treaty that says so. Just because the US Gov't tried to do a takesbacksies doesn't mean it's legal. As I said, the matter is in court now.

      Remember, the tribe is a sovereign government. It's like when we gave the Panama Canal to Panama. If the US Gov't decided, "Oh, we changed our mind because we think we should own the Canal again", it would not mean the Canal was now owned by the US.

         

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  3. Love it by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Everyone protesting the pipeline drove their car to the protest. Classic.

    1. Re:Love it by interkin3tic · · Score: 3, Funny

      If they did that, trolls would be laughing about exhaling carbon dioxide. Anyone trying to do something charitable gets the scorn of basement-dwellers, logic doesn't enter into it.

      Also, not all the protest is about climate change. The pointlessly violent manhandling of the initial protesters ensured this turned into a bigger deal.

      I assume also there's something about it being native american land. Even if 100% of the native americans in question approved of it, is there a DUMBER place to route an oil pipeline through for PR purposes? I assume yosemite, yellowstone, and the grand canyon were too far out of the way, and running it through central park would have required too many permits.

    2. Re:Love it by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Transport contributes to about a quarter of our CO2 emissions and personal transport accounts for maybe 63% of that as far as I can tell. So cars are not the cause of nor the solution to climate change. After cars, what next? Agriculture contributes a lot, I suppose you'd argue they should grow their own food. Power is another big contributor, so they should go without power.

      You and I both know that some activists HAVE probably "put their money where their mouth is" and surprisingly climate change isn't solved. They're ignored as whackos which they are, and they lack any power to actually do more than pat themselves on the back. Real solutions will require more than voluntary personal lifestyle changes.

    3. Re:Love it by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Everyone protesting the pipeline drove their car to the protest. Classic.

      Everyone protesting the pipeline drove their car to the protest. Classic.

      And they managed to procure fuel, at $2/gallon without needing the pipeline.

      Say, do you know why the DAPL is going through Native American land? Because the nice people of Bismark, North Dakota didn't want it near them due to concerns that it would contaminate their drinking water. This is what's known as "white privilege": "This pipeline will poison us. Let's put it where the Indians are instead!"

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  4. Look at all the posts... by dywolf · · Score: 4, Informative

    from idiots clueless idiots calling the protestors hippies and ecowarriors.
    That how poor the reporting on these protests are right now.

    These arent tree huggers, these are Native Americans trying to protect land sacred to them.

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    1. Re:Look at all the posts... by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Are they really?

      I talked to someone who claims he lives out there and he claims most of the protestors are people who came in from out of town. The native American Indians up there are actually not too happy about all of the outsiders congesting up the area and protesting, according to him.

      Additionally, he says more people should research the actual land situation, because the area in dispute for the pipeline is actually privately owned land (owned by farmers in the area), AND it already has a natural gas pipeline running through it.

  5. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly! A pipeline is far less risky than the current transport system utilizing rail. While accidents do happen, events are not common.

    After doing some reading from many sources including various documents on initial planning, there is more than meets the eye. There is lots of gray rather than the general big bad companies and government vs oppressed Native Americans.

    - Pipeline planned to capitalize of Bakken oil boom
    - Pipeline operator offer $56 million for pipeline to traverse Standing Rock territory
    - Offer is turned down
    - Pipeline operator purchases land and secures rights to route pipeline around Standing Rock territory
    - Standing Rock does not attend public hearings regarding rerouted pipeline
    - Pipeline construction starts
    - Standing Rock nation raises objections to new pipeline route

  6. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2

    I don't understand the hate towards pipelines, it seems like the pipeline will not affect the amount of oil consumed, but rather decrease the amount of energy and risk of transporting it via conventional methods..

    The hate is very simple to explain: whenever a pipeline leaks (and they leak pretty often), it takes a long time for the operators to notice, and in the meanwhile, the spill gets quickly disastrous. By comparison, when an oil train derails, a lot less oil gets spilled. And there is no way in hell that the rail industry will let the conditions that led to the Megantic disaster ever materialize again; for one thing, that wreck simply killed dead the idea of one-man train crews...

  7. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by eriks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... decrease the amount of energy and risk of transporting it via conventional methods..

    Only problem is that doesn't seem to be true:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The risk to fresh water supplies is very real. The pipeline has already been rerouted once due to concerns of water supply contamination in the event of a spill for Bismark:

    http://bismarcktribune.com/new...

    The current route would take it right past the water supply for the reservation. Contrary to information that's circulating, the tribe has been very active in it's opposition to the pipeline being near their water supply since it was proposed to reroute through their land. They most certainly didn't "wait around" just so they could protest. The the objection has nothing to do with "burial grounds" but access to clean drinking water. This is complete and total misinformation.

    Pipelines aren't safer, just more profitable. Maybe they _could_ be made safer than truck and train tankers, but my guess is that then they wouldn't be any more profitable.

  8. Re:Destroying taxpayer's property? by tekrat · · Score: 2

    Maybe you should be asking why police are fighting to protect a pipeline from a giant corporation that doesn't pay taxes???

    In a true capitalist society, the corporation should be able to afford their OWN POLICE.

    Right now, *they* are the ones stealing from you.

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  9. Re:Destroying taxpayer's property? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    This is a good a point. If you want protection you should hire your own yard bulls. That is how the rail road companies did it. The public should not be forced to foot the bill.

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  10. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by mspohr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wikipedia has a good article with lots of specific details:
    The treaty produced a brief period of peace, but it was broken by the failure of the United States to prevent the mass emigration of miners and settlers into Colorado during the Pike's Peak Gold Rush. They took over Indian lands in order to mine them, "against the protests of the Indians,"[12] and founded towns, started farms, and improved roads. Before 1861 the Cheyenne and Arapahoe "had been driven from the mountain regions down upon the waters of the Arkansas."[12] Such emigrants competed with the tribal nations for game and water, straining limited resources and resulting in conflicts with the emigrants. The U.S. government did not enforce the treaty to keep out the emigrants.[12] In 1864 came the Sand Creek massacre on a camp of mostly Cheyennes by Colonel John M. Chivingtons army of one hundred days volunteers. The consequence was years of war between the Cheyennes and the United States.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  11. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by 91degrees · · Score: 2

    This map seems to illustrate where the problem is.

    My reading is that the Sioux are a bit pissed off that the planners decided they were worried about Bismark's water supply being polluted but not theirs. I suspect that the burial sites thing is just being pushed as an additional reason.

  12. Re:Snopes picks strawmen to debunk when it suits t by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes Hillary laughed, she was a nervous 27 year old lawyer fresh out of school that had just defended probably one of the worst people in humanity and because the state fucked up she got the guy a significantly reduced sentence. So she laughed about how the lie detector was worthless as a way to cope with the horrible thing that the state and justice system allowed. There is NOTHING unusual about this. Cops and all kinds of people that deal with the worst of all human acts tell awful jokes about it as a way to cope with the horrible shit they are dealing with. Because if you can't try to deal with it you end up insane.

    Nothing she did during the trial was abnormal for trials of these kinds at the time. When you judge history by today's standards it makes you a fucking idiot. We used to treat rape suspects like whores in court, that doesn't make it Clinton's responsibility that the courts allowed and even expected that kind of behavior. It was wrong, no one disputes that and the laws have changed to disallow these kinds of defenses but if she'd failed to make motions that were routine at the time she could have been professionally punished for failing to do everything she could for the client she was forced to defend.

    Stop judging history through today's lens.

  13. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Though drinking water is the primary concern the Tribe has also expressed concerns that the pipeline route crosses unidentified native burial and archeological sites that were not identified in the environmental documents but readily visible. Within 24 hours of filing with the court a list of over 120 of these sites the contractor building the pipeline had demolished every site listed in the document, even starting construction in areas where it was planned to begin for months.

    This alone paints a very bad picture of the company and the state groups charged with protecting native remains and sites. The fact that every listed site was demolished within 24 hours should be grounds for significant damages and an immediate halt to all construction activity. See the power of the state of ND has been brought to bear on this pipeline, government and police power is being used to enforce construction because the state has an interest in seeing this pipeline built.

    Given what I've heard about the environmental process and document that was prepared for this work I don't believe the state and commercial interest have acted in good faith. The tribe's concerns are valid and were ignored or not addressed. These are all violations of NEPA rules.

  14. Re:Snopes picks strawmen to debunk when it suits t by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    That doesn't count according to Snopes

    That doesn't count according to Snopes that provide on their site a detailed list of facts as well as a link to the videos? How does the site having an angle equate to being unable to trust the site if it cites its sources?

    The fact that they didn't flat out claim it was false and actually mentioned many of the same things you did makes your case very weak indeed.

    Read the sources, make up your own mind.

  15. Re:Snopes picks strawmen to debunk when it suits t by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Snopes, please tell us, why is the rape of a 12-year-old funny at all?

    It's not. But then, she wasn't laughing about the act itself, she was laughing (somewhat hollowly, by the sound of it) about a couple of specific aspects of the proceedings.

    Should we just ignore that Hillary has a rather morbid sense of humor [youtube.com]?

    You probably have to to preserve your sanity, if you're going to be a criminal defence lawyer.

    It's true that she may be legally correct here. But how can you defend that kind of thing morally?

    That's precisely why lawyers have a professional obligation to defend their clients.

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  16. Re:Pipeline protests make no sense by eriks · · Score: 2

    That site is hardly unbiased. It was created by "Midwest Alliance for Infrastructure Now" which is an organization created by the companies with everything to gain from the pipeline, specifically to spin PR.