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India's New Delhi Now Most Polluted City on Earth, Air Quality Well Beyond 'Hazardous' Level (cnn.com)

New Delhi residents are suffocating only to find little to no relief. The city, as well as much of Northern India, home of over 400 million people, is blanketed by a thick layer of smog. The air quality has severely depreciated, hitting alarming 1,000 AQI PM2.5 level -- over 15 times of the safe limit. The air quality index hasn't gone down 400 reading, which is considered hazardous. From a report on CNN: Measurements taken at the US Embassy in Delhi put the city's Air Quality Index at 999 on Monday, off the standard chart, which finishes at the "hazardous" level of 500. By comparison, the highest AQI level recorded Monday in Baoding -- China's most polluted city -- was 298. Beijing was a pleasant 30, while India's next most polluted city, coal and industry-heavy Chandrapur, recorded levels of 824, according to the World Air Quality Index. Research released earlier this year found that air quality levels exceed World Health Organizations guidelines for 80% of those living in urban areas around the world.Though Delhi has been one of the most polluted cities for decades, burning of tens of millions of crop stubbles in the recent months and the Hindu festival of Diwali (which sees many people set off fireworks) have been held responsible for the severe air quality.

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  1. Crackers by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

    Story is too vague. What kind of crackers do they burn? Oyster crackers? Saltines?

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    1. Re:Crackers by unixisc · · Score: 2

      The crackers thing is BS. Delhi has the pollution that it does due to both the number of cars/buses/trucks/... as well as the factories. The crackers are 1, maybe 2 days in a year, which would do squat in terms of pollution. Not to mention that in India, a lot of people have been moving away from fireworks under the pretext of being more eco-friendly.

  2. Outsourcing by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 2

    It's a filthy, polluted hell hole, but their outsourcing services are cheap! So it is all good. God forbid they would raise their prices and improve their living standards.

    1. Re:Outsourcing by CRCulver · · Score: 5, Informative

      Outsourcing is mainly to South India. In the context of the Subcontinent, that's a world away from Delhi. Indeed, you'll find that living standards in the south are higher, and pollution rather less.

    2. Re:Outsourcing by ghoul · · Score: 2

      Cost of living in Delhi is rather high due to it being the capital. e.g. Its more expensive than Texas so outsourcing that happens to Delhi is not generally for cost.

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    3. Re:Outsourcing by unixisc · · Score: 2

      The above article is on the capital New Delhi, but is extended to cover Northern India, which would mean the entire extended National Capital Territories. This includes Noida and Gurgaon, which are major offshoring hubs, and which probably cost less than other major hubs like Bangalore, Chennai, Pune and Hyderabad.

  3. Chinese Tourist Photos by theArtificial · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Somewhat related, a fascinating set of images from a Chinese tourist trip to India.

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    1. Re:Chinese Tourist Photos by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 2

      My god that is terrible and disgusting. I try to be tolerant and respectful towards different cultures and their quirks, but there is nothing cultured or civilized about living under those conditions. That is like hell. A culture that tolerates and even encourages that kind of behavior is sick and should be reformed.

    2. Re:Chinese Tourist Photos by caseih · · Score: 2

      Except the crazy air pollution is not all coal and diesel. The reason it's so bad right now is that farmers are burning stubble fields (was once a common practice in the west as well). We're talking hundreds of thousands of acres. Farming practices that don't involve burning stubble have not taken hold because farmers are very poor there and cannot afford the equipment that would allow zero-till or minimal till planting.

      I'm sure it's still bad with all the cars and trucks, though. But this is an especially bad situation right now.

      No one cares? I wouldn't say that. A lot of people care. I'm sure the farmers also care, but feel trapped by economic circumstances. And the citizens of New Delhi certainly care as well, as you'd know if you read the article. Individually, their power to change things is extremely limited, other than to protest and urge the government to use its collective power to help in some way (like modernize the farming infrastructure).

  4. Visibly bad air but great place by seoras · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I used to marvel at the brown smog that hung over Californian cities like the SF Bay and LA. You can only really see it from afar. Then I landed in New Delhi....
    New Delhi is so bad you can't see down the length of a short street for the brown fog that seems to permanently hang over the place.
    I got a bit of a sore throat too.
    Would I go back to New Delhi?
    In a heart beat. Lovely people, the Indians, food was superb and I had a few good nights out there.
    The best thing about New Delhi is that it's an hour or two in a coach bus to Agra and the Taj Mahal as well as many other beautiful historical buildings.
    I'd sooner spend a long weekend in New Delhi than the SF Bay or LA (you won't run into any DJT supporters in ND either)

    1. Re:Visibly bad air but great place by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Love your ability to make even a post about India a chance to jab at people who don't believe the same as you. Great job.

    2. Re:Visibly bad air but great place by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Would I go back to New Delhi?
      In a heart beat.

      No, you wouldn't, otherwise you would have already left. The truth is that you have built-up a fantasy of what life in New Delhi is like and actually living there would shatter that fantasy with cold buckets of reality.

      I'd sooner spend a long weekend in New Delhi than the SF Bay or LA

      Ha! A single weekend is misrepresentative, go live there.

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    3. Re:Visibly bad air but great place by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      I think the best thing about Delhi is Hauz Khas, which is, of course, a beautiful historical building, within Delhi.

      I think the best thing about Delhi is that I don't have to fucking live there.

      Frankly it sounds dreadful. Overcrowded, hot, filthy, polluted, much of the water comes from illegal wells on the banks of the (polluted) Yamuna River, toilets are not commonplace, food prep is about as unsanitary as it gets....yeah, gosh, what's not to like about that?

      New Dehli makes Phnom Penh look like a space-age wonderland. (And I actually like Phnom Penh, most of the time.)

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    4. Re:Visibly bad air but great place by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      Would I go back to New Delhi?
      In a heart beat.

      Then fucking go, no one is stopping you. But you're living somewhere else because it's better than New Delhi. And that's why you haven't gone back.

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  5. Nature's taking care of the problem by allquixotic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    http://www.albartlett.org/pres...

    Either we choose from the list of ways to solve the population problem, or nature will choose for us. India is grossly overpopulated. Nature is running its course. You cannot build a society, a philosophy, a religion, a way of life that's built around reproducing as quickly and exponentially as possible while discovering new resources (land, energy) at a rate slower than exponential. The math doesn't work.

    Their next strategy is to try and spill over into the other less-overpopulated parts of the world and make *those* places just as overpopulated as India, if not more. They just don't seem to get it.

    1. Re:Nature's taking care of the problem by ghoul · · Score: 4, Interesting

      India has now hit replacement level 2.1 children per woman. Most of India is still pretty empty (at least emptier than Europe). The problem is in the megacities. Most of the jobs are being produced in only 3 cities Delhi, Bombay and Bangalore and over 1 million people migrate from smaller towns to these cities every year so its a continuous fight for infrastructure to catch up.
      What needs to be done is build more newer cities and job opportunities in them (cheaper outsourcing anyone?) so the infrastructure in the bigger cities gets a chance to catch up.
      BTW your quip on populating the less populated parts of the world like USA is unjustified. The Indian govt has been blasting the population control message for 2 generations now and the educated people who migrate to USA have 1 or 2 kids at most. On the other hand I have seen many white Christian or white Jewish families in the US with 3,4,5 even 6 children and these are people with Computer Engineering degrees not farmers. So if its a cultural or religious thing Hindus from India is not where you should be looking.

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    2. Re:Nature's taking care of the problem by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Most of India is still pretty empty (at least emptier than Europe)

      Yet the population density of Europe is 112 per square km, versus 404 per square km for India.

    3. Re:Nature's taking care of the problem by bluegutang · · Score: 2

      Actually India's fertility rate is around 2.4. But this is replacement level for India. (And it's still dropping year by year.)

      In developed countries 2.1 is considered replacement level, not 2.0, because some people die as children or young adults and do not fulfill their expected fertility. But in India more people die at young ages, so the replacement level is higher. The worldwide replacement level has been calculated to be 2.33, so 2.4 seems like a good guess for India.

  6. Wasn't always this way by bluegutang · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few years ago when people talked about air pollution, they talked about China. The AQI in Chinese cities was routinely over 400, and before the 2008 Olympics, they shut down hundreds of factories and banned half the cars from the road in an attempt to make the air temporarily cleaner. But now Chinese air seems to be much better - Beijing's AQI is said to be just 30 in this article (though it must vary substantially by day, like it does everywhere).

    It seems China has passed the stage of building polluting heavy industry, and reached the stage where there is enough of a middle class to demand tolerable air. It seems India is just now reaching the first stage.

    1. Re:Wasn't always this way by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      Well China is centrally planned by the PRC. You will find democratic nations to be extremely slow to react in comparison. Expect a lot of bureaucratic red tape at every level of government in India before they even begin to address this.

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  7. Particulate pollution by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Informative

    This story has nothing to do with greenhouse gas emissions. It is about particulate pollution: more specifically, PM2.5: that is, particles suspended in the air with diameter of 2.5 micrometres or less.

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  8. Burning fields, not firecrackers by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    The crackers thing is BS. Delhi has the pollution that it does due to both the number of cars/buses/trucks/... as well as the factories. The crackers are 1, maybe 2 days in a year, which would do squat in terms of pollution. Not to mention that in India, a lot of people have been moving away from fireworks under the pretext of being more eco-friendly.

    And, in fact, the actual story says that the problem is not Diwali fireworks:
    "images published by NASA suggest that burning of crops in the neighboring states of Punjab and Haryana could be the biggest reason why the air quality in the world’s most polluted city refuses to clear."
    With a link to a NYT article discussing it here: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11...
    and to interesting satellite images on the NASA website

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  9. Related TEDx talk "The Ugly Indian" by Stonent1 · · Score: 2

    The Ugly Indian The speaker makes the point of India can't expect to consider itself a world class country until it cleans itself up. He goes into the culture of "someone else will deal with it" so he organizes cleanup events that target the worst areas so that people see how nice an area can become and then start to take pride in keeping that way.

  10. Re:TMTOWTDI by ghoul · · Score: 2

    The problem is the federal structure of India. Delhi actually has very clean public transport with it being the first city in the world to go to all Natural gas public transport and a very large metro system (growing very fast with it projected to be bigger than the Tube in 4 years). Most of the smoke is coming from burning of farm waste in Punjab and Haryana which are 2 separate states whose govts dont really care if their burning is creating smog in Delhi. As their natural levels are much lower a little extra smoke doesnt hurt them. However with Delhi being a metropolis larger than Los Angeles in Size and with more population than New York there is always going to be some vehicular pollution. Most industries have already been shifted out of Delhi and power plants closed down and now Delhi buys its power from States 1000 kms away. But till everyone walks or bikes car smoke will be there. Another problem is the massive amount of construction going. A lot of the particulate matter is construction dust. Due to the scarcity of water in a city which is after all just 50 kms away from the Thar Desert construction companies tend to cut corners and not use liberal water sprinlling to keep the dust down during construction. Another massive problem is the homeless who tend to burn branches from all the trees in Delhi (Delhi has a higher green cover than New York but the parks have become places for homeless to hang out). If Delhi govt could move the homeless from the parks into homeless shelters it would help. Unlike China which can use heavyhanded measures , in India even the homeless vote so its not so easy to move them out. Nor can the Delhi govt force the Punjab and Haryana govts to go police every farm. Only educating the farmers will work, there are not simply enough police to actually try and enforce a ban. Unlike the US which has 1 security officer(local police, state police or federal security officer) for every 100 citizens , India has 1 security officer for every 5000 citizens. India is woefully underprepared to enforce anything through force.

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  11. Re: Get off of your high horse by ghoul · · Score: 2

    The concept is simple. Cows give milk which is essential for babies whose mothers are not able to produce milk so they are considered sacred as in mothers are sacred.
    If you want the historical reasons behind it when the proto-Aryans first moved from the Iranian plateau into India and met up with the remnants of the Indus Valley Civilization (first civilization in world history to have cities with sewers which is ironic considering the state of sewers in India today) , they brought high yielding cows with them. However these cows did not take well to the heat of the subcontinent and had to be bred with local cattle to create a special breed which could survive and give enough milk in India. Hence cows became too valuable to be eating them and religious stricture came in making them sacred so that they are used only for milk.

    All this does not justify cows roaming around in city streets. I am in favour of city governments catching any cow they find on a city street and taking it at least 100 Kms away and gifting it to a farmer or a milk cooperative.

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