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US Drought Brings A Surprise Benefit: No Tornados (cnn.com)

Slashdot reader turkeydance tipped us off to news that America hasn't had a single tornado in November, even though last year it experienced 99, and averages 58 every November. CNN reports: Drought is overwhelming Southeastern states this fall, and temperatures have soared, depleting ground moisture. Storms need moist air to develop, and the lack of moisture this fall has inhibited storm development both for the much needed rain and the formation of supercell storms capable of producing tornadoes. Precipitation has been near or at zero for weeks in the region. The last measurable day of rain in Birmingham, Alabama, was September 18... As a result, wildfires have become the main disaster threat this fall. The last five years have all seen a below-average number of tornados, and between 2012 and 2014 the U.S. saw fewer tornadoes than any previous three-year stretch.

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  1. Everything is connected to everything else by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

    Interesting.

    As they say, everything is connected to everything else.

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    1. Re:Everything is connected to everything else by hey! · · Score: 2

      It's an ill wind that blows nobody good.

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    2. Re:Everything is connected to everything else by gtall · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think we need to bring baked beans into this.

  2. Will climate activists argue... by KenHansen · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Will climate activists blame the drought on global warming and try to argue that we should have more frequent/severe tornadoes?

    1. Re:Will climate activists argue... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

      So you agree with global warming trends?

    2. Re:Will climate activists argue... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Are you going to argue that the southeast shouldn't have rain and claim that becoming a lifeless desert is preferable to the possibility of more frequent/severe tornadoes?

      Or are you just going continue to make up more ridiculous strawman arguments that you wish climate activists would make because it would make them easier to dismiss?

    3. Re:Will climate activists argue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Will climate activists blame the drought on global warming and try to argue that we should have more frequent/severe tornadoes?

      That's the way I understand it.

      See I study climate science. I read what the conservative media says about what the liberal media says about what the politicians say about what the climate scientist say - so, I am an expert.

      And what the consensus is that climate is bad. We need to live in a climate free World.

    4. Re: Will climate activists argue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Really?!? Are you sure? Because we don't seem to be using them. Forget the deserts, we can't even make small droughts extinct.

    5. Re:Will climate activists argue... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

      The annual number of tornadoes and the number of strong tornadoes are both trending down. The data doesn't lie.

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    6. Re:Will climate activists argue... by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      no, but a few years ago the same climate scientists were saying the USA would be seeing record numbers of tornadoes and super F5 tornadoes every year due to climate change. just like they were saying we would be seeing record numbers of Cat 5 hurricanes after Katrina

      so far the opposite has happened

    7. Re:Will climate activists argue... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Will climate activists blame the drought on global warming and try to argue that we should have more frequent/severe tornadoes?

      People need to learn to differentiate between local, regional, and global phenomena. Not every out-of-the-ordinary event is related to climate change. Events which deviate far from the norm are probably NOT related to anthropogenic global warming.

      During this same period of severe southeastern drought, most of the western U.S. has been significantly wetter than normal. Many places have experienced 200-400% of their typical rainfall.

      Also during this same period... Most of the U.S. (both west and east) has been warmer than normal; but much of northern Asia and Eastern Europe has been cooler than normal.

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    8. Re:Will climate activists argue... by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      The climate activists here on Slashdot have been overwhelmed by the moronic crowd of science deniers. The same crowd who elected the racist, emotionally unstable, sexual predator in Chief.

      You know, maybe you need to take some time off. Go for a walk, take a trip, read a book or unplug from the internet for a while. Not even in the dankest days of Obama being elected the first or second time, were people so rabidly insane. Though this does remind me of Bush Jr., being elected the first and second time...and the people being completely fucking unhinged. Well whatever, if you want to believe what the media keeps feeding you...by all means. It's not like the DNC didn't pick the worst possible candidate, or one with so much baggage that she could have sunk the Titanic on her own. Or that the DNC pissed all over the electorate, broke their own rules, or were involved in so much corruption in their own process that multiple people quit and then went running to the Hillary camp because they were being rewarded for what they did. Or that people were absolutely sick of what Obama and the DNC were doing in the US, or that 70% of Americans believed that the US was going in the wrong direction or anything and picking Trump was the better choice then the corporate candidate who still hasn't given a talk to her supporters or has even said "stop being fucking retards and destroying shit around you." Like they claim Trump is going to.

      No no...it's all Trumps fault right?

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    9. Re:Will climate activists argue... by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Not even in the dankest days of Obama being elected the first or second time, were people so rabidly insane.

      You can't see the difference between Obama and Trump? Really? Comparing the two is truly moronic. One is stupid, disgusting, and quite possibly, a full-blown psychopath. The other is smart, educated, and empathetic.

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    10. Re:Will climate activists argue... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      That's not what he said, read it again.

    11. Re:Will climate activists argue... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      "We need to live in a climate free World." I think the Moon has one of those. (And yes, I know that was sarcasm...)

    12. Re:Will climate activists argue... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      Well, that's certainly a matter of opinion. But regardless, Mashiki wasn't comparing Obama and Trump, he was comparing people in general (I suppose especially US citizens). Read what he said: "...were _people_ so rabidly insane" (emphasis added). He's presumably talking about the protests against the election, not about Obama or Trump themselves. (He also talks about Hilary Clinton.)

    13. Re:Will climate activists argue... by mcswell · · Score: 1

      "the drought itself is a problem that needs to be addressed or all of the the USA will become a desert": wow, what a prediction! I think you should grow up; I've never heard _that_ prediction from even the most strident climate scientists.

    14. Re:Will climate activists argue... by Orp · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. Did you even look at the article?

      http://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/...

      Show me your trend. Please.

      If you are looking at the high end tornado figure, there appears to be a weak downward trend over several decades, but 2011 just rang and asked if El Reno, Joplin and Tuscaloosa wanted to come out and play.

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    15. Re:Will climate activists argue... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1, Informative

      From the article I referenced:

      With increased National Doppler radar coverage, increasing population, and greater attention to tornado reporting, there has been an increase in the number of tornado reports over the past several decades. This can create a misleading appearance of an increasing trend in tornado frequency.

      Emphasis added. You're welcome.

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    16. Re:Will climate activists argue... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      Yes. I was, in fact, talking about strawman arguments. I made a ridiculous one to mock how ridiculous the one I was responding to was. The word for that is "sarcasm".

      Considering that my very next sentence brought up the strawman nature of the argument, it should have been painfully obvious that it was sarcasm. And yet here you are, completely missing the point.

    17. Re:Will climate activists argue... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      You might not quite grasp the fact that you've gotten older, but the 70s (when the conjecture of global cooling gained brief popularity before being disproven) were 40 years ago. 40 is not a few.

    18. Re:Will climate activists argue... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      USA would be seeing record numbers of tornadoes and super F5 tornadoes
      You miss a few things: if it is to dry there can no tornado form. Nevertheless the scientists where right: it is hot in the tornado region. So about what exactly are you complaining?

      just like they were saying we would be seeing record numbers of Cat 5 hurricanes after Katrina
      Yes, and we have those. But they have different names, like Taifun, Cyclone etc. Because they luckily for you did not happen in the USA.

      One of the biggest storms in recored history was last year around november/december in the north atlantic. But it did not make land fall, only a few trailers caused havoc over the UK.

      It is close to a conspirator that the storm was not even in the news. Basically only people interested in naval stuff and watching/reading navel news know about it.

      If that storm had hit the US, your country would not have recovered till today.

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    19. Re:Will climate activists argue... by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      The north west is going through drought. Your orange juice, and normal fruits and may varieties of vegetables are not going to mature. Look forward to high prices, and a drop in the quality of produce.

      Of course, Canada has a surplus of water, and with the NAFTA being rolled back by Trump, that water is going to remain in Canada. Canada provides soft-wood lumber to the USA, that it cannot provide with it's own resources. So, Canada welcomes a new NAFTA deal, as a win and a win for both.

      Anyway, the Koch brothers can provide you the water with their coal fumes.

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  3. Thank you climate change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another benefit of climate change...bring on the emissions!

  4. Sorry. It's my fault by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I live just outside of Birmingham, AL. Back on September 18th I bought the best umbrella I've ever owned. It works so well that it won't let rain come within a hundred miles of me.

    That's the honest truth and I don't know what to do. I really want to keep the umbrella, but my yard needs rain. The grass crunches when I walk across the yard. It's drier than my ex-wife.

    1. Re:Sorry. It's my fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      my yard needs rain. The grass crunches when I walk across the yard.

      Maybe you should run down to Wal-mart and buy yourself a garden hose and a sprinkler.

    2. Re:Sorry. It's my fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't think the ex-wife would like that very much. But I could be wrong.

  5. Demagogues by no-body · · Score: 1

    will love this and spin it as much as possible into the "right" direction.

  6. November not even Half Over by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    This statistic will not really be interesting until November is over. We are less than half way through it. So really this story is saying that the US has not had a tornado for less than two weeks so what it should be compared to is how often that happens. If they really want to pull stupid stunts like this they should at least try to make it really sensational. They can run a story half way through January claiming that that US has had no tornadoes all year, Britain can have one claiming that the sun has not shone all year due to the clouds and in Canada we'll have the story about snow on the ground all the year....ok so that last one is true otherwise all our igloos would melt but you get the point.

    1. Re:November not even Half Over by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Tornado season is March through November, with the VAST majority of tornadoes occuring in May through August. We're in the last 2 weeks of a ~36 week season, so we're not "half way" through, we're 95% of the way through.

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    2. Re:November not even Half Over by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Thanks but how is your comment at all relevant given that the claim was about tornadoes in November and not all year?

    3. Re:November not even Half Over by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      The article FOCUSES on November, but the key quote relevant to the post you replied to is: "People don't think about November being a season for severe weather so they tend to let their guard down, especially when storms have been virtually nonexistent," In other words, there have been vanishingly few tornadoes ALL season.

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  7. Re:Thanks Obama by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Captain Freedom should be appointed Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense. Nobody messes with Captain Freedom.

  8. Re:Law of Averages by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back before humans controlled the rivers, that'd be enough. The floods would fill the swamps, and the swamps would be wet until the next flood. Now, with levees and canals, the floods are directed to the ocean, so the ground doesn't get the water, the ocean does. Then we complain the ground is dry. Like we didn't know how rain works.

  9. Re:President Trump beings surprise benefit by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

    No more liberals! Off to Canada you go babies! No free college for you!

    Notice that none of these people ever threaten to go to, you know, Mexico?

  10. Re:President Trump beings surprise benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because they're closet bigots and cowards.

  11. The *BEST* News by Provocateur · · Score: 2

    Thanks to the drought, there have been *no* sharknadoes either!

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  12. S.E Aussie here, drought has been fantastic for me by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    We had one for near a decade which has mostly subsided the last few years, sadly

    As an asthmatic and hayfever sufferer, the difference is night and day. I honestly thought I'd 'grown out' of my asthma and hayfever as I basically didn't have symptoms for near a decade, or exceedingly rare / lite symptoms.

    Last 2 years and especially this year, just a disaster, not fun at all.

  13. And in related news.. by interstellarsurfer · · Score: 1

    Firenados are up 9000% in the Southeast.