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US Internet Firms Ask Trump To Support Encryption, Ease Regulations (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: U.S. internet companies including Facebook Inc and Amazon Inc have sent President-elect Donald Trump a detailed list of their policy priorities, which includes promoting strong encryption, immigration reform and maintaining liability protections from content that users share on their platforms. The letter sent on Monday by the Internet Association, a trade group whose 40 members also include Alphabet's Google, Uber and Twitter, represents an early effort to repair the relationship between the technology sector and Trump, who was almost universally disliked and at times denounced in Silicon Valley during the presidential campaign. Some of the policy goals stated in the letter may align with Trump's priorities, including easing regulation on the sharing economy, lowering taxes on profits made from intellectual property and applying pressure on Europe to not erect too many barriers that restrict U.S. internet companies from growing in that market. Other goals are likely to clash with Trump, who offered numerous broadsides against the tech sector during his campaign. They include supporting strong encryption in products against efforts by law enforcement agencies to mandate access to data for criminal investigations, upholding recent reforms to U.S. government surveillance programs that ended the bulk collection of call data by the National Security Agency, and maintaining net neutrality rules that require internet service providers to treat web traffic equally. The association seeks immigration reform to support more high-skilled workers staying in the United States. While urging support for trade agreements, the letter does not mention the Trans Pacific Partnership, which Trump has repeatedly assailed with claims it was poorly negotiated and would take jobs away from U.S. workers. The technology sector supported the deal, but members of Congress have conceded since the election it is not going to be enacted.

173 comments

  1. Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Too bad these companies and so many other people dismissed him as a joke, mocked him and his supporters relentlessly for the past year. The arrogance of these people is astounding.

    I hope by "Immigration reform" they aren't hoping for an expanded H1B program. I think he made it perfectly clear that was not going to fly anymore. You know...by having the former Disney employees present on his campaign trail.

    1. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He also railed against Goldman Sachs, and now has an ex Goldman Sachs banker-turned-media magnate as his chief strategist, and a Goldman Sachs-banker-turned-filmmaker is the leading contender for his treasury secretary.

      He ran on "draining the swamp", and now his transition team is dominated by the swamp itself, a bunch of scandal-wrapped establishment and wannabe-establishment figures. Of course even that seems to oscillate as they bounce each other around. One day Chris Christie is leading the transition, the next day he's not even part of it. Now Pence is running it, while also fighting a legal battle in Indiana to (facepalm) prevent the public from seeing his emails.

      He ran on an immediate full repeal of Obamacare, now he says he's going to evaluate it and try to keep some of its most important provisions, like the ban on discrimination for preexisting conditions, and keeping children on their parents' policies. Which I can't even begin to imagine the outcome of, because if he does that, then he has to make something functionally equivalent to the mandate - otherwise, healthy people who don't get insurance through their employer go without insurance until they get something serious, wherein they can just sign right up despite the "preexisting condition", and hence almost everyone on a non-corporate insurance policy is being treated for something expensive, and thus the rates become astronomical.

      He ran on building a wall, huge, thick, unbroken, and explicitly never just a fence... now it's going to be a mix of walls, fences, and possibly not even that in places. At least that's the stated policy plan as of today, who knows what it will be tomorrow.

      I have no clue what sort of policies this guy is actually going to pursue, and neither does anyone else here. He's changed so much over the years, and often day to day. Like most people except for the hardest-core partisans on each side, I'm hoping for the best and fearing the worst. I'm not even sure he really knows what to do next in many cases. The fact that nobody in his campaign even knew that you have to replace the White House staff when you take office blows my mind. Were they paying that little attention when Obama, or any other president for that matter, took office?

      Again: I hope for the best but fear the worst.

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    2. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I give zero shits about the wall/fence/etc but the rest is absolutely concerning.

    3. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Rei · · Score: 1

      Honestly, the domestic aspects are mainly just a curiosity to me. I have some friends and family in the US, and so I care what happens because it affects them, but it doesn't affect me personally. On the other hand, the international stuff absolutely affects me. So that's what I'm watching closest.

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    4. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Trump's strategy appears to be "how can I fuck up the country as badly as possible?" He's considering a climate change denier to run the EPA. He's considering an evolution denier to run the Department of Education. He's considering an oil industry exec to run the Department of the Interior. He's considering a Goldman Sachs exec to run the Treasury. It's like he heard the phrase "fox guarding the henhouse" and thought "hey, that sounds like a great idea!"

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    5. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      That all might be true but Trump does seems to be sticking somewhat to his guns. When the indictments came down on Chris Cristy's people over bridgegae and it was not longer deniable that Cristy reasonably must have or should have known; Trump pretty promptly demoted him.

      That is encouraging. Give people a chance until they show they are not loyal or swap things. When they let him down he cuts them loose. Hopefully it stays that way.

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    6. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by jandersen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He also railed against Goldman Sachs, and now has an ex Goldman Sachs banker-turned-media magnate as his chief strategist, and a Goldman Sachs-banker-turned-filmmaker is the leading contender for his treasury secretary.

      "Media magnate" - not to mention that he has a reputation for being a racist and white-supremacist etc etc. Sad to think that I, only a few days ago, spoke in favour of giving Trump a chance to show us what he really is like; I guess that is what he is now doing, and it doesn't look pretty. Keep it up like this, and even the most pessimistic expectations will be more than fulfilled.

    7. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by chthon · · Score: 2

      So, he is playing "The Apprentice" then?

    8. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUD pushed by the media and "Temper Tantrum 2016". Just because his media was alt-right doesn't mean he's connected with groups there.

      Trump swept out the politicians and is putting business people in their place. He needs to keep firing people to keep the others in line. Lets hope he never forgets the people that voted him in.

    9. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      You can always tell that we're getting screwed when the name of a policy includes the word "reform".

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    10. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Rei · · Score: 3, Funny

      But the fox has a degree in hen studies!

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    11. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always tell that we're getting screwed when the name of a policy includes the word "reform".

      When a new programmer replaces another programmer and inherits all of their code is is not uncommon for the new programmer to call all the old code crap that must be scrapped and replaced.

      That is rarely the correct action. Usually you find the parts that need work and fix them refactoring as you go. That way you don't end up with something that is fundamentally broken for years or decades.

      I understand that politicians love sound bytes, but how about doing the hard work for occasion? Hillary planned to do the hard work. Trump's team just looks like another idiot junior programmer with the, "Only I can fix it!"

      If the problems were that simple they would have been solved decades ago..

    12. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Too bad these companies and so many other people dismissed him as a joke, mocked him and his supporters relentlessly for the past year. The arrogance of these people is astounding.

      I hope by "Immigration reform" they aren't hoping for an expanded H1B program. I think he made it perfectly clear that was not going to fly anymore. You know...by having the former Disney employees present on his campaign trail.

      You beat me to it. During the campaign, they were not only busy insulting him, but also made it a point to blacklist members of their community who preferred him instead, like Intel's Brian Krzanich. Now they want him to do what they want, rather than what his supporters want.

      They should have taken a page out of his during the primary. During the primary, when GOP rivals accused him of being supportive of Dems, he told everyone that he gave money to both sides and got along w/ everybody to get things done. While Silicon Valley as a whole has been split - companies like Cisco and Intel being supportive of the GOP and Apple being supportive of the Dems, the Social Media segment of the sector - Google, Facebook, and Twitter - have been following a herd mentality. But had the industry been fair to both sides, they'd have been in a better position to lobby the GOP on their pet issues, be it encryption, net neutrality (come out w/ a different name for it so that politicians don't think it means what it sounds like it means)

    13. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

      I repeat: You can always tell that we're getting screwed when the name of a policy includes the word "reform". This applies to all "reform" laws. How much money did health care "reform" save you on your insurance premiums?

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    14. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should probably stop deluding yourself. Trump is filling all available positions with business people that quite frankly have no business running government. Trump absolutely will listen to the likes of Amazon, it remains to be seen as to what he'll do with their requests but he'll most definitely listen, We're talking about a group of people that have no idea how to run the government suddenly being in charge the biggest office in all the land.

      The idea that the President should be an outsider is simply absurd. You do that with Congress where the learning curve isn't nearly as steep. With Congress you step up to the Senate. Personally I think Governors make the best Presidents because they actually proved that they could run a government before taking the reigns of the whole shabang.

    15. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by unixisc · · Score: 1

      But this is well known. Trump is a transactional leader, not an ideological one. Everything is a deal that needs to be negotiated, so I expect that he'll sit down w/ whoever - including Bozos, and hammer out a deal that's at least good for him.

    16. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...he is going to fall short of his campaign promises. I understand that is standard practice among US Presidents.

    17. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by kwbauer · · Score: 0

      As if Hillary wasn't extremely friendly with Goldman Sachs? It may not be you idea of "drain the swamp" but having people that understand banking regulate banking instead of people who think banking is immoral regulate banking should be legitimately viewed as draining the swamp.

    18. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Media magnate" - not to mention that he has a reputation for being a racist and white-supremacist etc etc.

      Half-assed characterizations like this are precisely what he used to become 'the leader of the free world'. If you want to use both cheeks, you have to admit that his reputation was far more about *pandering* to white supremecists, and *exploiting* a capitalistic environment with a non-trivial amount of white supremecists (going back to discriminatory housing practices in the 70's).

      I certainly haven't followed him that closely. I could be wrong. But if there were legitimate clearer cut examples of him actually being an out and out 'white supremecist' I think I would have heard them in the news or remembered them. I doubt Trump cares much about skin color. What he cares about is power. His power. Trump is a Trump-supremecist, and you and the rest of the world would do well to get that as clear in your heads as possible as soon as possible.

      I mean fucking seriously, are you accusing NBC of promoting a 'white supremecist' for 14 years and getting away with it without any significant media critism? Holy Fuck. I'll make my own determination when I get bored enough to watch that tv show I ignored for 14 years. But if Trump managed to actually be a 'white supremecist' and hold onto a tv show on NBC for 14 years, then I think it's time to start seriously evaluating that california secesion contingency. But I don't actually believe that. I believe your comment is just as much bullshit as the bullshit comments Trump used to win votes. Go You!

    19. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FUD pushed by the media and "Temper Tantrum 2016". Just because his media was alt-right doesn't mean he's connected with groups there.

      Trump swept out the politicians and is putting business people in their place. He needs to keep firing people to keep the others in line. Lets hope he never forgets the people that voted him in.

      Don't discourage them.

      They lost the election doing that. Let them continue.

      We have mid-term elections and 2020 to think about too. Not enough of those leftists on the supreme court are going to die in the next two years... so let them continue with this stuff.

    20. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      The fact that nobody in his campaign even knew that you have to replace the White House staff when you take office blows my mind. Were they paying that little attention when Obama, or any other president for that matter, took office?

      Again: I hope for the best but fear the worst.

      That is not a fact, per se, it was a claim by an Obama staffer or two. Kellyanne Conway laughed that off as absurd. A guy doesn't get to become a billionaire by not doing a little research into the most basic things like that, seriously. Some elements are bound to be a little overwhelming though, even for a seasoned politician.
      You could say Steve Bannon is an outsider, though I'm not sure I get a good feeling about the guy.

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    21. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      That's likely what got Christie demoted. This also signals however that Pence may play a more active role as VP, instead of being a traditional hood ornament like Biden.

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    22. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if Hillary wasn't extremely friendly with Goldman Sachs? It may not be you idea of "drain the swamp" but having people that understand banking regulate banking instead of people who think banking is immoral regulate banking should be legitimately viewed as draining the swamp.

      In what universe? He sold himself on purging the Washington insiders, instead he is appointing the very same kinda of insiders he vowed to purge. There are plenty of non-insiders in the academic community he could have tapped with vast banking and regulatory knoweldge, yet he goes directly back to the elite in the industry that have been giving politicians hand jobs for years.

      You are trying to justify his actions in order to justify your vote for him.

    23. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

      WTF does Hillary have to do with anything? Quit trying to turn this into some partisan false dichotomy! Trump sucks on an absolute scale, regardless of the alternatives.

      (Besides: it should've been Bernie. Or Johnson, or anybody who wasn't a corrupt authoritarian asshat.)

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    24. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      So now we're down to defending Trump by saying "Well, Hillary would have done it..."

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    25. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      So basically when all is said and done, voters re-elected George W. Bush. For chrissakes, there's a rumor that John Bolton may be coming back.

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    26. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Outta_the_way_peck! · · Score: 2

      Trump's son-in-law has also been working to push out Chris Christie. Seems he is bitter that Christie prosecuted his father for, wait for it, tax evasion among other charges!

    27. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 1

      He's also suggested that holders of U.S. Treasury Bills might have to get a "haircut".

    28. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are plenty of non-insiders in the academic community he could have tapped with vast banking and regulatory knoweldge

      Except academia requires you to sign a leftist loyalty oath.

    29. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I repeat: You can always tell that we're getting screwed when the name of a policy includes the word "reform".

      This applies to all "reform" laws. How much money did health care "reform" save you on your insurance premiums?

      That is a good question. The goal was to increase the number of people in the pool so that overall costs were lowered. Preventative care and such was also added for that reason. The problem is that the penalty is currently too low to get some to get health insurance. Now you can argue whether or not they should have to, but I think if they don't and can't afford it, well why should the hospitals have to treat them in an emergency?

      At any rate, does anyone have a decent comparison of old versus new? My family was self employed when I was younger. Rates always went up and by a lot. My dad had a lot of health problems. It was very difficult to keep insurance for him and it was very expensive. If my dad was still around, I'd bet we'd be saving at least 50%.

    30. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Criminals understand crime better than anyone, but you don't appoint criminals to be chief of police. The problem with banking regulation is that the bankers can not be allowed to regulate themselves, ever, and the actual regulators know that when they leave the SEC that they can get an amazingly high paying job working for the banks. The few regulators who do want to be honest find themselves losing out on promotions at work and being told by their boss that they need to "play ball" and be a team player.

    31. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      And the reason promises aren't kept is because it can't be done. Politicians say what they think the voters want to hear, first off. And politicians may (rarely) have some actual ideals they want to follow through with. But the president is NOT a dictator. One can not simply close Guantanamo, or build a wall, or give everyone a 20% tax cut across the board. No matter how well the people like a president, the president can not create lots of jobs! A president can nudge policy here and there but are constrained by what congress and the courts will allow, which is a very good thing. A president also cannot print money to pay for things, the president has to beg for money.

      About the only things a president really can do are to invade countries and instigate military action (technically not "wars"), and the president can only do that because congress is too scared to refuse it as it makes them look weak to the pro-military voters.

    32. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by thomn8r · · Score: 1

      But hey, at least it's not Hillary, right? /s

    33. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      So, he is playing "The Apprentice" then?

      It's what he knows. I imagine he'll stick with it as it'll make for good news and look like he's doing something. I expect him to fire and replace more people than Lincoln did generals.

    34. Re: Oh NOW they want to talk to him by rectalfeeding · · Score: 1

      Trump's strategy appears to be "how can I fuck up the country as badly as possible?"

      Bullshit. If you want to actually use your brain, start with a vision of Tyr Anasazi from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda.

    35. Re:Oh NOW they want to talk to him by peawormsworth · · Score: 1

      so many .. people dismissed him as a joke

      Don't pretend an election can stop me from laughing at him. He is still a joke whether you get it or not.

  2. That's going to go well by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear Mr Trump,

    You may remember us. We're the people who were suggesting that California leave the USA because you won. We also took some blame for fake news that we claim let you win. Oh, and all of us donated heavily to your main political rival, allowing her to outspend you by a pretty large margin in the Presidential campaign.

    Now that you remember who we are, we'd like to ask you a small favour. Please will you do something that helps maintain the balance of power in our favour, rather than that of the instruments of the surveillance state that will be under your control?

    Thanks,

    A bunch of people that hate you

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    1. Re:That's going to go well by Spy+Handler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The association seeks immigration reform to support more high-skilled workers staying in the United States.

      Google and Facebook want more H1B visas, not a big surprise.

      What's surprising is that they have the gall to ask Trump to give it to them, after donating millions to Clinton. Weren't Eric Schmidt and Sheryl Sandberg basically a part of the Clinton campaign?

    2. Re:That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know if Eric Schmidt was ever officially a part of the Hillary campaign, but in the leaked emails he emails he offered to do anything he could do to ensure her victory.

    3. Re: That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like - a bunch of faggets.

    4. Re:That's going to go well by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      To quote Harold Wilson former UK PM "A week in politics is a very long time"

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    5. Re: That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      #LearnToSwim

    6. Re:That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reforming bulk data collection and supporting net neutrality and strong encryption are the kinds of issues that benefit American citizens, even if corporate assholes also benefit and only want them for their own ends. Supporting those in the face of the personal attacks from certain tech sources are the kinds of moves that might just make Trump a not-bad president. Even if you don't want Trump in the seat his party does, and you can't be effective by shitting on everyone over petty grudges.

    7. Re:That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, hopefully the president won't act as petty as you would. There are larger things at stake than just childish sandbox politics.

    8. Re:That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hopefully Trump severely limits the H1-B visa program. The scum in Silicon Valley are screwing over US workers more than anyone.

    9. Re:That's going to go well by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Dear Mr Trump,

      You may remember us. We're the people who were suggesting that California leave the USA because you won. We also took some blame for fake news that we claim let you win. Oh, and all of us donated heavily to your main political rival, allowing her to outspend you by a pretty large margin in the Presidential campaign.

      Now that you remember who we are, we'd like to ask you a small favour. Please will you do something that helps maintain the balance of power in our favour, rather than that of the instruments of the surveillance state that will be under your control?

      Thanks,

      A bunch of people that hate you

      This is comedy gold!!!

    10. Re:That's going to go well by khallow · · Score: 1

      Please will you do something that helps maintain the balance of power in our favour, rather than that of the instruments of the surveillance state that will be under your control?

      "in our favor"? I guess you missed the bit about the NSA running over the interests of these businesses without consequence or accountability. That balance of power leans some other way.

    11. Re:That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I had the capability and financial resources, I'd plant a chain of atomic explosives along the CA state border, detonate it, & watch with glee as CA slid into the ocean, taking all the liberals & queers with it.

    12. Re:That's going to go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Weren't Eric Schmidt and Sheryl Sandberg basically a part of the Clinton campaign?"

      Note well that that statement doesn't exclude the possibility that they were simultaneously, perhaps even equally as much, a part of Trump's campaign.

      Machiavelli.

  3. Translated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We fucking hate you. We loath your existence. We used our influence to actively campaign against you by manipulating the information the public sees and hears.

    Now, here's our list of demands.

    Now go away or we shall taunt you a second time-a.

    Arrogant, self-entitled pieces of shit.

    1. Re:Translated by amalcolm · · Score: 0, Troll

      self-entitled piece of shit.

      Describes Trump perefectly

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    2. Re: Translated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neh, it describes you.

    3. Re: Translated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you, actually.

  4. Wait. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We hates you! We hates you!

    Can we get the same shit Clinton promised for our support?

    1. Re:Wait. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Good business sense to donate to both sides of a campaign, and to ingratiate yourself to a likely winner, and to ingratiate yourself to an actual winner. This has nothing to do with actual politics, it's just basic butt kissing to get the government's favor. And it has happened forever. If people are only now annoyed with this practice maybe they haven't been paying attention, or are annoyed because they assumed business-as-usual would not continue to occur after Trump was elected.

  5. I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe actually writing to the guy with reasonable requests is a better way to go about it instead of rioting, looting and posting endless inane memes on Facebook. Just a thought.

    Reference The Caine Mutiny for ideas on the matter.

    1. Re:I know they hate him but... by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      No no. That goes against the current orthodoxy being promoted by groups like moveon.org and answer. You're supposed to riot, trash shit and so on to show your resolve. Not be reasonable, clear, concise, and lay out something that seems reasonable and get people to agree with it.

      Just look at the last week right? People aren't going to get pissed off or anything and ignore them anymore. Just like I'm sure these electors will bend over backwards and do what the people threatening them want.

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    2. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      inane memes

      There you hit the problem. They'll never stop shitposting for Hillary, because they literally think Trump won because of 'meme magic' or some other such fucking nonsense.

      They don't understand that the average American cares more about being able to buy a house, raise a family and retire than they do about which bathroom your gay Mexican attack helicopter friend should use.

    3. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't understand that the average American cares more about being able to buy a house, raise a family and retire than they do about which bathroom your gay Mexican attack helicopter friend should use.

      Or they are frustrated that the person who won has either:
      No solution for the average American to being able to buy a house, raise a family and retire.
      Has a solution that won't work.
      Changes his mind on said solution seemingly every day.

    4. Re:I know they hate him but... by Mashiki · · Score: 0

      Like the Tea Party was/is reasonable, clear, concise. The reason they didn't physically riot was only due to physical restrictions due to their average advanced age.

      The Tea Party was and is. That's why they got their candidates elected, fun reminder that when conservatives say that the "media has a democrat bias" they weren't lying(95% of the reporters in the beltway are registered democrats, and vote democrat). The media went out of their way to paint them as extremists, just the same way that the media and left wing groups went out of their way to say that Trump is a sexist/racist/homophobe/xenophobe/etc. Because consensual stuff is rape, enforcing laws is racist, and wanting to actually vet immigrants is xenophobic. But hey, just remember what happened to Dan Rather? Where he invented news, was outed as a fraud. Then tried to play the "but it was true, I was trying to start a conversation" bullshit too. Considering that the media instead of learning from any of this, continues to double down. Has a 6% trust rating(lower than congress or even lawyers), I'll give it...2-3 years before we see the "big" media crying that they need government funding.

      If after this last election you can't see that, then either you just woke up from a coma or you just got internet access. In which case, I'm sorry you lost a decade or more of your life and welcome to 2016, at least you don't have to worry about dial-up.

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    5. Re: I know they hate him but... by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      The reason they didn't physically riot was only due to physical restrictions due to their average advanced age.

      Wow.

      I'm sure that is the only reason they didn't wander around the city aimlessly sobbing uncontrollably, burning cars and busting things up - because of their age...

      The rage on display across many cities is as much a reaction to the failures of the current administration as it is to what they expect from the next - people that feel a part of their community don't tend to go out and attempt to destroy it.

      I suspect a large percentage of anti-trump protesters (not the majority, but a large percentage) are un/under-employed college graduates that, seven years into Obama's America still find themselves saddled with massive student debt and the person they thought would free them of that debt lost, at the hands of countless republican taxpayers that didn't want to pay for someone else's college education.

    6. Re:I know they hate him but... by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Actually, had the Tea Party rioted, they would have been better armed than your average suburban police force. Their "advanced age" would only mean they had had military service and were likely better shots than the cops. The Tea Party didn't riot because they aren't thugs and special snowflakes.

    7. Re: I know they hate him but... by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect a large percentage of anti-trump protesters (not the majority, but a large percentage) are un/under-employed college graduates that, seven years into Obama's America still find themselves saddled with massive student debt and the person they thought would free them of that debt lost, at the hands of countless republican taxpayers that didn't want to pay for someone else's college education.

      It's hard for them to get a job when they have a double major in women's studies(or gender studies) and a minor in the contemporary works of JK Rowling. After all, paying $60k/year for that and expecting to get a job at anything other than the very bottom of the job pool was their own fault for not thinking. The fault of universities for helping to foster an education bubble, and schools/educational leaders/etc for saying "trades are worthless, you should go get a college/university education in anything." Which is where those people would actually be working and likely making good money doing it. Instead of clearing $0.83/hr above minimum wage.

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    8. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're pretty much describing every politician in the past three administrations (and more to a lesser extent).

      The narrative for the past few election seems to be "Give us all the power and we'll work it out, if not we're going to pout, kick and scream." So far it seems that they're* holding to the promise to gum up the works until they have 100% say.

      *This is Democrat and Republican, people. If you side with one of these "organizations" and think that they're level headed and progressive you're just fooling yourself.

    9. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what's good for the goose is good for the gander? You're a good little partisan goose stepper. Reach across the aisle and get your hand cut off, that's the motto of little monsters like you. You're the problem. I keep hearing how you guys planned on taking the high road... I guess that plan failed. It's easier to be magnanimous when you're the victor but as long as you keep towing the party line expect more of the same.

    10. Re: I know they hate him but... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna add to this, if these people really wanted to work and get good money doing it they could. I'd suggest trucking, despite the doomsayers that it'll be automated with robot drivers in 5 years I highly doubt it. And right now you can easily find a job clearing $0.94/mile including health, drug, dental benefits all starting the day you're hired, $7k signing bonuses, and even find companies that'll give you weekends off or things like 10h on 14hr off between shifts. Hell walmart is hiring truck drivers in the US and they're giving all benefits on day one, new trucks, in-truck satellite TV, $5k signing bonus and 0.80-0.84/mile plus weekly fast delivery time bonuses of up to $3200/week. So that's milage plus weekly delivery, with weekends off or 2 or more days off a week.

      Hell a buddy of mine in the US signed on with JCT, and is getting $0.95/mi plus time delivery bonus, plus free satellite, plus $5k signing bonus, plus drug, health, vision plans. And he didn't even have a license for driving trucks. They're paying to train him and giving him a truck and team driver to show him the ropes.

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    11. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're pretty much describing every politician in the past three administrations (and more to a lesser extent).

      Hillary (and others) actually have/had plans though.
      If you're saying they don't follow through with them, that's a completely separate argument.

    12. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has plans too. Just because they don't fulfill your metric of what a plan should or should not be doesn't mean they don't exist. I doubt you ever even looked into it.

      Fast tip, though... both of their plans are terrible and were shallow attempts at pandering to a voter base with no desire to actually execute their promises.

    13. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump has plans too. Just because they don't fulfill your metric of what a plan should or should not be doesn't mean they don't exist. I doubt you ever even looked into it.

      Actually I remember looking for information about the Wall on his own website back while he was still campaigning. Cost? Size? Materials? Completion Date? Upkeep? Literally nothing about it at all was on his website.

      Fast tip, though... both of their plans are terrible and were shallow attempts at pandering to a voter base with no desire to actually execute their promises.

      Please stop trying to make this a 'both sides are bad so it's ok' argument. I thought that's what Trump presidency was supposed to change?

    14. Re: I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there are so many good blue collar jobs just going begging for talent in the US. I guess that's why Trump supporters voted for a guy who said he was going to bring the good blue collar jobs back because they've all been offshored and there's nothing left for the working classes.

      Do you get the cognitive disconnect here? Do you get why you can't have it both ways?

    15. Re: I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you say this to the Trump supporters who claim their way of life is under assault because the good jobs have all been shipped overseas thanks to "disastrous" trade deals? If not, you're a hypocrite.

    16. Re:I know they hate him but... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      It's a close election in a winner-takes-all system. Whenever that happens, it means that someone just got 51% of the vote and yet won 100% of the power at stake. this means 49% of the population are feeling disenfranchised, and thus angry. Anger leads to protests, a few of which will turn into riots. If the election had gone the other way, it would be Trump supporters holding protests and occasionally rioting.

    17. Re:I know they hate him but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please stop trying to make this a 'both sides are bad so it's ok' argument. I thought that's what Trump presidency was supposed to change?
       
      How about you stop telling people what their opinions should be. There's plenty of folks who found both of them useless but still voted for one or the other because of the endless desperation that "The Most Important Election EVAH!!!!!" crowd helped to whoop up. It's kind of funny to think that it may well be that crowd that pushed Trump over the top in swing states where he won by a slight margin... I guess that'll show certain people not to try to sway the fence sitters with panic tactics.

      But in fours years we'll still be in a perpetual state of war, the national debt will still be higher than it is today and we'll still have big brother claiming they don't care what's in our text messages but still observing them from afar. That's why I held the course and voted third party even as so many people sought out professional help over voter anxiety. I'm not pro-Trump, I didn't vote Trump and I didn't think his administration was going to change anything.

      And if you're one of those people who were screaming "Vote Hillary!!!"? Not if a gun was pressed to my head would I have voted for her. Trump's a buffoon. He's unlikely to involve us in a major scale war. Hillary used Libya as a practice run and was hoping for more of the same.

    18. Re:I know they hate him but... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Yes, the Tea Party was clear and concise in some ways. But vague in others. They are clear and concise that they want to upset the apple cart, get rid of the old guard (Republican or Democrat), and until the change happens they will be obstructionist. They were vastly more organized and disciplined than the Occupy movement. However they are vague in that they don't have a good solid platform of ideals. The original Tea Party people don't even have the same ideas as the later Tea Party movement, pro-reform is not the same as anti-government. The only reason they really side with republicans is because some republican candidates learned to pretend to be one of them.

      As for bias, I don't think registering for a party makes one biased one way or the other. Most states require you to check a party box on a form before you're allowed to vote in primaries. That means most people feel that they need to be one party or the other (thus reducing all Americans to being one side or the other like it was just a game). I think perhaps 95% of all voters have no actual party loyalty.

    19. Re: I know they hate him but... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I suspect most Trump supporters know this. But they know that the existing status quo wasn't working, so why not upset the apple cart? Everyone I personally know who voted for Trump does not actually like Trump, they just hated Hillary more (and hated Jeb more, and hated Cruz more, etc). Trump is the protest vote essentially.

      We're never going to get some of those blue collar jobs back. Steel maybe, but we'd need really large tarrifs to make it happen. But coal is dying and it will never get big again. Oil is diminishing and most profits for it out outside the US or to executives. Auto makers lost out because they made really crappy cars for a very long time with a really unmotivated work force and shot down every reform effort that came up. We're never going to have large scale mass manufacturing the way it used to be fifty years ago, so focusing on small scale manufacturing is the smart bet there.

      There's nothing that the president or congress can do to force companies to hire expensive workers to make an inferior product that customers don't want to buy. Any candidate promising to bring back the old jobs is lying. A candidate promising to bring new jobs is also probably lying but there's a slight chance that might actually happen.

    20. Re:I know they hate him but... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The average Trump voted didn't seem to realize that voting for Trump is not going to help him buy a house, raise a family, and retire. Trump is a known liar, and is also known for screwing the little guy.

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  6. Uh no... by wbr1 · · Score: 1

    lowering taxes on profits made from intellectual property

    The government bears a large burden for protecting your IP. Even IP that I do not agree with. If you are going to reap the benefits of that, then pay the fucking price.

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    1. Re:Uh no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're going to have to be more subtle about it, if you're going to ask for bribes to the President.

  7. How about instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How about instead Trump immediately and indefinitely halts the H-1B visa program - no new H-1B visas issued, extended or renewed until further notice.

    This was something he said he would do, it is popular among his supporters and as far as I am aware it is within the purview of the executive to decide who can immigrate and on what visas.

    "The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, Pub.L. 82-414, enacted a provision still found in Title 8 of the U.S. Code at Section 1182(f). The provision gives the president authority to suspend the entry of any class of foreign nationals when the president deems their entry to be detrimental to the interests of the United States."

    Tech ought to love that.

    1. Re: How about instead by KenHansen · · Score: 1

      That is literally the same provision that Trump cited to ban all un-vetted muslims...

    2. Re:How about instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, there's no way they could just leave the foreign works where they are and move the jobs there. That would take some type of global network thingy. Nope, they could never do that.

    3. Re:How about instead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Taxes can solve that sort of abuse.

  8. Luckily for them, this is Trump by HBI · · Score: 0

    The guy is a negotiator. He'll throw them a bone, but get big concessions in response to this.

    Endless hate is not really a characteristic of Trump. Pragmatism is.

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    1. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Endless hate is not really a characteristic of Trump.

      Rosie O'Donnell would likely disagree.

    2. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Trump? A negotiator? I guess that answers why no U.S. bank would lend to his alleged companies any longer. And the word in the business world was that if you deal with Trump, get your money up front first...but expect a lawsuit later. The only people stupid enough to "negotiate" with Trump lately were a bunch of clueless foreigners who didn't know him for what he really is, i.e., Sargent Bilko's mentor.

    3. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by TechnoCore · · Score: 1

      Yes he sues everyone out of love and understanding!

    4. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by HBI · · Score: 1

      What did Rosie do to try to mend fences? She doubled down on criticism. What do you expect - this is Trump, after all.

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    5. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by HBI · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by HBI · · Score: 0

      I suppose it's a typical leftist mindset that people should be able to break contracts and essentially steal money from the other party by not fulfilling their obligations while pocketing the money. Apparently Trump doesn't agree with that. Good on him.

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    7. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      Endless hate is not really a characteristic of Trump. Pragmatism is.

      C'mon now...

    8. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, everybody involved in a lawsuit with Trump is trying to steal money, and Trump is always the good guy? Come on, that's simplistic bullshit.

      Here, look at some real cases:
      http://www.wsj.com/articles/do...

      Are they all slam-dunk-Trump-is-evil cases? No. But many of the instances listed were ended because the litigants couldn't afford to fight, not because they thought they were wrong.

    9. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by EmeraldBot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I suppose it's a typical leftist mindset that people should be able to break contracts and essentially steal money from the other party by not fulfilling their obligations while pocketing the money. Apparently Trump doesn't agree with that. Good on him.

      What the hell does being a left minded person have to do with fulfilling a contact? Especially when Trump was quite happy with the work until it came time to pay up???

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    10. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Uh, Trump said at the Al Smith dinner that Hilary made him like even Rosie a bit more

    11. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 0

      Let me make sure I'm following what you're replying to. TheRaven64 I believe indicated that it's hypocritical of "US Internet Firms" to attempt to negotiate with the candidate they tried to defeat. Then you wrote, which was quite sensible:

      HBI:

      The guy is a negotiator. He'll throw them a bone, but get big concessions in response to this.

      Endless hate is not really a characteristic of Trump. Pragmatism is.

      TechnoCore:

      Yes he sues everyone out of love and understanding!

      HBI:

      I suppose it's a typical leftist mindset that people should be able to break contracts and essentially steal money from the other party by not fulfilling their obligations while pocketing the money. Apparently Trump doesn't agree with that. Good on him.

      Wow. This is just completely fucking insane. What are you even trying to say here?

      Oh, you do remember that Trump believes that as a policy matter bathrooms don't need to be legislated, but in Trump Tower, he'll let trans faggots with woman suits like me rape little girls in the women's room all day long! That's what you voted for. Remember, there have been so few problems that way. So few problems with men in the women's room. Trump is going to make the women's room great again!

      Oh... something about the "left." Whoever and whatever they are.

    12. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by HBI · · Score: 1

      You're a little over the top, you know. It almost sounds like you believe campaign rhetoric. Not very wise.

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    13. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's a typical leftist mindset that people should be able to break contracts and essentially steal money from the other party by not fulfilling their obligations while pocketing the money. Apparently Trump doesn't agree with that. Good on him.

      If I were a democrat, I'd be more worried about all the funds the clintons took in bribes and the liabilities those bribes created.

      Some of those folks didn't get what they were promised for their money. Some might get their money back, the ones that don't might act out.

    14. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by L.+J.+Beauregard · · Score: 1

      I suppose it's a typical leftist mindset that people should be able to break contracts and essentially steal money from the other party by not fulfilling their obligations while pocketing the money. Apparently Trump doesn't agree with that. Good on him.

      So now it's "leftist" when the Flim Flam Führer doesn't pay his contractors? It's "leftist" when he reneges on his debts? It's "leftist" when management helps itself to a pension fund?

      Free clue: "leftist" does not mean "people I don't like."

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    15. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell that to all the contractors he's screwed over, the lawsuits are piling up.

    16. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by SuricouRaven · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The exaggeration has reached the point I genuinely don't know what side you are on. But this is politics - where it is impossible to produce satire that cannot be mistaken for the real thing.

    17. Re:Luckily for them, this is Trump by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      As a Democrat (most of the time), it isn't clear to me that bribery was going on, and, if so, none of it is binding and there are no secret liabilities. Bribes don't work that way.

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  9. Oh look it's BeauHD again with another hit piece by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some quotes from his Twitter:

    "I have officially cast my vote for @HillaryClinton... Let's make history tonight! #ImWithHer #electionday"

    "Clinton wiped the floor with Trump tonight. Say hello to your next president, America! #debatenight"

    "Trump is a saggy sack of shit. If any one of you is even remotely considering voting for him this November, please unfollow me."

    And so on. And now he clearly uses his position on Slashdot to push articles against Trump twice every day or even more often. Can't whipslash do anything about it? Guy's starting to get boring with his propaganda.

  10. Trump can't do a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even if they curtail H1B, US firms will still outsource. You people who supported Trump have your head up your ass and have poor job skills.

    1. Re:Trump can't do a thing by johanw · · Score: 1

      If they want to import or sell anything in the US, then there might be some import tariffs to pay.

    2. Re:Trump can't do a thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Import tariffs are a rough proposition when you have a massive trade deficit.

  11. Trump didn't win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why should the MAJORITY of America kiss Trump's ass?

    1. Re:Trump didn't win by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      Let it go, son... just... just... let it go... It's getting tedious...

    2. Re:Trump didn't win by johanw · · Score: 0

      Putin puppet? Just because he doesn't head for WW3 like Hillary?

      The cold war is over. Most people don't care if Putin likes something or not, but it would be good for the western world to get along well with him.

    3. Re:Trump didn't win by Rei · · Score: 2

      Because it's the way things get done with him?

      Anyone hoping to get policy support from him better used to treating him to luxury, complimenting him profusely, and pitching every concept to him as if it's his idea and it's going to make him look good. Some attacks against those he's currently in feuds with will likewise go a long way.

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    4. Re:Trump didn't win by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 2

      He got the majority of electoral college votes, which is -- quite literally -- all that matters in this election. The EC was designed in part to ensure it would be next to impossible for a candidate to win if they did not have the support of sparsely populated rural areas as well as densely populated urban areas. That's the way it's always been, and for good reason -- and that's why Idaho has the same number of senators as New York. Those complaining about it now sound like football coaches whining that they lost even though they accumulated more offensive yards then the other team. If the election WERE to be won by a majority vote, and that was stated at the outset, then Trump would have just campaigned in the urban areas like Clinton did, modified his platform accordingly, and he still would have beaten her. You can't change the rules after you lose...

    5. Re:Trump didn't win by EmeraldBot · · Score: 1, Interesting

      He got the majority of electoral college votes, which is -- quite literally -- all that matters in this election. The EC was designed in part to ensure it would be next to impossible for a candidate to win if they did not have the support of sparsely populated rural areas as well as densely populated urban areas. That's the way it's always been, and for good reason -- and that's why Idaho has the same number of senators as New York. Those complaining about it now sound like football coaches whining that they lost even though they accumulated more offensive yards then the other team. If the election WERE to be won by a majority vote, and that was stated at the outset, then Trump would have just campaigned in the urban areas like Clinton did, modified his platform accordingly, and he still would have beaten her. You can't change the rules after you lose...

      No, not really. If you have the support of the eleventh most populous states, you automatically win the EC, and thus the election. The EC wasn't designed to give small states a voice, it was designed pretty much exclusively so that a vote wouldn't require a guy on horseback to have to ride all the way down south to Alabama and bring the result back up. Any effect it has on the balance of power is a side effect, and I don't really think it's a good one either. People living in rural areas rarely, if ever, have to deal with the consequences of their policies - is it fair to give their vote 4x the count exclusively because they live farther away???

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    6. Re:Trump didn't win by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      OMG! That's simply not true! Horses!? WTF? You're either lying or willfully ignorant. Here are just a handful of citations that support my statement:

      http://dailysignal.com/2016/11...

      http://www.history.com/topics/...

      http://www.historycentral.com/...

      http://www.factcheck.org/2008/...

      Show me what you got that supports your Horseback premise. Take your time...

    7. Re:Trump didn't win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, because appeasement of authoritarian regimes has always worked so well in the past. You honestly think Putin is going to stop at part of the Ukraine?

    8. Re:Trump didn't win by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Uh, have you already forgotten Hillary's awesome little love-in with Putin? You know, where she got all schmaltzy and handed him the the big red button as she was resetting the relationship with him because he wasn't such a bad guy and apologized for the evil Mr. Bush having suggested that Putin might not have the best intentions for the US and world peace?

      Yeah, Hillary was a complete enemy to Putin.

    9. Re:Trump didn't win by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Well of course the Founding Fathers didn't want some guy to have to ride down to Alabama on horseback to get the vote count. They expected the guy in Alabama to send it to DC. I find it absolutely hilarious that people actually believe the Electoral College was put into place because they believe that the Founding Fathers didn't understand how to add up numbers brought to them from various states but could only figure out how to have those various states send some number of people and count the number of people. Oh yeah, and completely forgetting that the number of people sent by each state was determined by sending out people to count how many people lived in each state and return to DC with the results.

      (Yes, I understand that it wasn't actually DC at the time of the writing of the US Constitution.)

    10. Re:Trump didn't win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a rural red state. It's hilarious how many of the rednecks want to get rid of the EC. They're too dumb to even realize it benefits them. Of course, they also think Obama lost the popular vote.

    11. Re:Trump didn't win by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      I live in a blue state, and it is quite sad how many of the special snowflakes here were not even aware the EC existed until last Tuesday and still believe, even now, that we live in an absolute democracy.

    12. Re:Trump didn't win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you have the support of the eleventh most populous states, you automatically win the EC, and thus the election."

      I think you may be confusing the effect of EC with the effect of 'winner takes all the votes from a state'. One can imagine a more popular vote alternative, where states are allowed to count all their votes for the candidate that received a majority of votes in the state. In such a scenario you can forgo the EC and have the same effect. Thus if you really want to analyze the effect of the EC, I think you have to look at it like the senate. The senate is what actually gives disproportionate (vs representation based on population) influence to *small* states.

    13. Re:Trump didn't win by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You seem to have a much more favorable view of Putin than I do.

      There is evidence that Trump has likely unsavory connections with Putin, but Trump supporters don't seem to have cared. It would have been real nice to get that thrashed out during the campaign. Clearly, Trump would have been elected if he were indeed a Putin puppet.

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  12. Hey dirtbags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stories on this website suck balls all the time now.
    Do you have any interesting tech stories?

  13. Immigration + Emigration. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ease immigration of highly skilled workers. Ease (coax?) emigration of low-skilled workers from the "old industries" all over the Rust Belt, especially white trash. Those are the ones who elected Trump.

    Kill two birds with one stone!

  14. Trump is a Deal Maker, Before Anything Else by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 0

    He'll listen to what they want. And if they open some factories and offices in places like Detroit and Des Moines, he may even give them some of what they want.

    1. Re:Trump is a Deal Maker, Before Anything Else by gtall · · Score: 2

      He's a deal maker only in the sense that a small-time bunko artist is a deal maker.

  15. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah - we've been here all along.

  16. Encryption for email by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    How about a standard encryption for email, to comply with HIPAA, so the stupid FAX MACHINES will DIE OFF. Been working on them, printers, photocopiers, computers for over 35 years and with VoIP sometimes it's almost impossible to get fax machines to work with VoIP. Some healthcare agencies I have to deal with WILL NOT authorize Fax to email or anything other than a straight fax machine or fax MFP. 9600-14.4k bps is about the max you can get. People are use to attaching a 30-40 page file to email, complain how long it takes to fax a 30 page fax....PLEASE, standardize email encryption, make it where these stupid antiques called fax machines can go the way of the telegram.

    1. Re:Encryption for email by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Email encryption is standardised. S/MIME is well supported by pretty much all mail clients (including Outlook, Apple Mail and Thunderbird). The problem is that end-to-end encryption is basically incompatible with webmail. You need to provide your encryption keys to the mail client and if that client is running code provided by a third party that communicates with a third party server then you've lost already.

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    2. Re: Encryption for email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The manufacturers always say voip might work but is not supported. The customer needs to get an analog line for their analog fax machine. I spend no more than 5 minutes trying to get it to work over voip, then I tell them to get a real phone line and leave.

    3. Re:Encryption for email by johanw · · Score: 1

      Not really, there are programs that will decrypt the current window if it contains pgp encrypted text. Quite easy, if more mail clients supported inline pgp instead of that unreliable s/mime with its "trusted" keys built in most programs.

    4. Re:Encryption for email by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The problem is that end-to-end encryption is basically incompatible with webmail. You need to provide your encryption keys to the mail client and if that client is running code provided by a third party that communicates with a third party server then you've lost already.

      I give you Mailvelope and FireGPG.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    5. Re:Encryption for email by p51d007 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what is the issue is similar to what I went through in the 80's... Then, people used "messenger" services. We couldn't get doctors or pharmacies to switch to fax..."But I've always used a messenger service". Then when email became popular, couldn't get them to switch to email. "but I've always used a fax machine". The courts accepting a fax helped a lot, but the medical community is paranoid of the HIPAA law. I had one I.T. guy tell me his hospital still had (this was about 5 years ago) 2500 pairs of copper just for fax lines. I asked why they didn't switch to scan to email. He said they couldn't "guarantee" the safety of an email, especially if someone typed in the wrong address, OUTSIDE of their intranet. He said once it goes OUTSIDE their network... I know there has to be some sort of universal way to do it, but for whatever reason, I see a TON of medical types that are scared to death of reaping the wrath of the HIPAA police. Shoot, they tried to tag me for a HIPAA violation about 7 years ago...still using a FLIP PHONE I took a photo of a bunch of jammed up paper in a machine, and they said the documents were patient information, which constitutes a HIPPA violation. Ok, think back to the cameras on phones 7 years ago. I THINK it might have been a 2megapixel.

  17. One irony of this election by MikeRT · · Score: 0

    All of the self-styled super educated people who mock Trump voters as rubes because they've heard of this guy named David Ricardo and his intellectual descendants who made superficially good arguments about Free Trade.

    I've had some fun asking such people "cool story bro, now tell me the implications of the bank wire transfer, jet plane and mega cargo ship on Comparative Advantage."

    "Uh duh duh, herp derp, muh degree."

    Most free trade supporters, today, are literally as stupid as that person in the horror movie, who sees the monster's victim and declares "there is no monster" despite every fact staring them in the face.

    1. Re:One irony of this election by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yep, Smoot–Hawley Tariff worked so well in 1930's for the U.S. Let's have a few rounds of that to make everyone richer.

    2. Re:One irony of this election by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      All of the self-styled super educated people who mock Trump voters as rubes

      Is it OK to mock the Trump supporters who are birthers? It's a small fraction, only 40% or so.

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    3. Re:One irony of this election by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      I support free trade so long as the deck isnt stacked against us.

      What we have done is set up barriers to equal competition, stacked the deck. Environmental regulations that our "trade partners" dont have, labor laws that our "trade partners" dont have, and so on.

      China makes everything because they are willing to pollute more and artificially hold their currency low so that Chinese wages stay cheap. The deck is stacked against us. There are plenty of other south east asian countries and a few south american countries also willing to do the same.

      I suspect the Trump administration will be pro-encryption, anti-H1B, and seek out targeted trade deals that have strings attached (not "free trade.")

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      "His name was James Damore."
    4. Re:One irony of this election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tariffs DO work sometimes. (Generally it has worked pretty well for China and Mexico). There is a huge cost though. A tariff is a kind of wall. As the wall gets higher it is more expensive exponentially due to higher weight near the bottom and extra reinforcement needed. Steep tariffs are business killers.

      Example: if you live in Brazil and import high-tech equipment from the U.S. the tariff is SO high that you cannot feasibly ever have it repaired or calibrated by the U.S. manufacture. The only way to reasonably repair it is to have a courier carry the item in luggage to the U.S. and carry it back. (Yup talk about totally unnecessary greenhouse emissions.)

    5. Re:One irony of this election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately that's the situation with everything and it's not just a problem for the US, but much of the Western world as a whole - you can argue it's our problem with terrorism, and national security against countries like Russia too.

      We can't deal with terrorists because we adhere to the Geneva convention and they don't.

      We can't deal with Russia because we adhere to international norms and they just walk into a sovereign neighbours borders and take territory.

      We can't deal with tax havens because we adhere to international monetary norms on free trade, whilst they facilitate transactions of stolen money.

      Normally none of this is a problem because we have so much excess be it wealth, bombs and troops, political influence that we can let them all bend the rules a bit.

      But unfortunately since the financial crisis this just isn't true, and so yes, I think there has to be a point where we have to question whether it's worth always backing the moral highground even to the point it causes us substantial harm and we can no longer turn a blind eye to it. The problem is then though, other nations may slip further and you risk engaging in a race to the bottom.

      It's a tough balancing act for sure, but I think in at least some cases - i.e. the Geneva convention, it makes no sense to apply it unless your opposition does also, otherwise they'll win.

    6. Re:One irony of this election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I mock Trump voters as rubes because they are. Orange Cheeto Jesus promises you money and you go flocking, despite all the red flags and warning bells.

  18. is there a way to set up a notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that emails me when BeauHD stops posting to slashdot?

  19. Trump represents the will of the People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    U.S. internet companies including Facebook Inc and Amazon Inc have sent President-elect Donald Trump a detailed list of their policy priorities

    Trump represents the will of the People, not of greedy globalist cabals like you.

    which includes promoting strong encryption, immigration reform and maintaining liability protections from content that users share on their platforms.

    That you would ask him for anything is rich given your treatment of him. If I were you, I might have apologized, congratulated, and asked for an audience. That would be more traditional behavior given the crushing defeat he dealt you and your failed ideology.

    The letter sent on Monday by the Internet Association, a trade group whose 40 members also include Alphabet's Google, Uber and Twitter, represents an early effort to repair the relationship between the technology sector and Trump, who was almost universally disliked and at times denounced in Silicon Valley during the presidential campaign.

    You do not repair this damage by presenting a list of demands. You repair it by acknowledging that you have been utterly defeated and that you are prepared to respect the will of the People and of the leader they have elected.

    Some of the policy goals stated in the letter may align with Trump's priorities, including easing regulation on the sharing economy, lowering taxes on profits made from intellectual property and applying pressure on Europe to not erect too many barriers that restrict U.S. internet companies from growing in that market.

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

    Other goals are likely to clash with Trump, who offered numerous broadsides against the tech sector during his campaign. They include supporting strong encryption in products against efforts by law enforcement agencies to mandate access to data for criminal investigations, upholding recent reforms to U.S. government surveillance programs that ended the bulk collection of call data by the National Security Agency, and maintaining net neutrality rules that require internet service providers to treat web traffic equally.

    Your world is burning down and a new and better world will be erected in its place.

    The association seeks immigration reform to support more high-skilled workers staying in the United States.

    Kiss their brown asses goodbye. What companies across America have been doing by bringing in these Indians is treason and the managers and executives responsible should be hanged.

    While urging support for trade agreements, the letter does not mention the Trans Pacific Partnership, which Trump has repeatedly assailed with claims it was poorly negotiated and would take jobs away from U.S. workers. The technology sector supported the deal, but members of Congress have conceded since the election it is not going to be enacted.

    The world is against you and history is written by the victors. You will not be remembered well.

    1. Re:Trump represents the will of the People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Trump represents the will of the People, not of greedy globalist cabals like you.

      Trump represents the will of the Electoral College. That you are not able to see this distinction just shows how incredibly retarded you Trumpites are.

    2. Re:Trump represents the will of the People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get off your high horse and smoke a doobie or something. You make it sound like we coronated a king.

    3. Re:Trump represents the will of the People by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's sad that people like you actually exist.

  20. metafekr.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thanks
    metafekr.com

  21. Re:Oh look it's BeauHD again with another hit piec by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    +1 fact. Have you also noticed how the related links at the bottom are always manipulated to present either an anti-Trump or pro-SJW agenda?

    Today's related links:
    -Brexit
    -Another dead guy
    -Capitalism = bad
    -Butthurt over losing the election
    -Anti-Trump article

  22. Or else? by KenHansen · · Score: 1

    An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: U.S. internet companies including Facebook Inc and Amazon Inc have sent President-elect Donald Trump a detailed list of their policy priorities, which includes promoting strong encryption, immigration reform and maintaining liability protections from content that users share on their platforms.

    Are these the same 'Internet firms' who's leaders were talking of California secession a few days ago after the election?

    1. Re:Or else? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Presumably not, as that one one Silicon Valley millionaire, not one or more "Internet Firms".

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      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
  23. Mr Reneger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He agrees a deal then reneges on the deal. He's done that time and time again with all of his suppliers. Anyone who voted for this con man thinks he won't do that to them? Why do they think they're special to him?

    Look at the way he's trying to get out of the Paris CO2 agreements by reneging on it.

    His promises are worthless.

    1. Re:Mr Reneger by kwbauer · · Score: 1

      Well, he didn't agree to the Paris agreements and, technically, neither has the US. The fact that a few people who will most likely be nothing more than private citizens a few months from now agreed to them means nothing. Contrary to popular opinion, Obama is not the King of the USA and cannot make international agreements that have the force of law in the US. US presidents are only allowed to tell such agreement forming committees that they will ask that the Senate agree to turn them into law back home. I'm not even sure Obama even bothered to ask the Senate about some of them.

  24. Trump-Book, Trumper, Trapple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump-Book, Trumper, Trapple ... that is all they need to do to strock his ego.

    Trump-EMC
    Trumprosoft
    Trumpsco
    Troracle

    And just to be clear, nobody voted FOR Mr. Trump. We all voted AGAINST Ms. Clinton. Personally, I just want Obama-Care repealed. Can't take the $500/month extra bill. As a small business owner, this is killing me and my family.

    1. Re:Trump-Book, Trumper, Trapple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can repeal Obama care but that wouldn't repeal the 20+% premium increase granted to the major insurers. That rate increase was the whole point of the act anyway...to guarantee more income for insurance companies.

    2. Re:Trump-Book, Trumper, Trapple by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      That rate increase was the whole point of the act anyway...to guarantee more income for insurance companies.

      Premiums were going up that much before Obamacare was enacted.

      By the way, I notice the GOP congress just passed the $2.5billion bill for high-risk pools, which they would not pass for the past 3 years. This is why premiums went up and now they're going to try to make sure it's all working by the time Trump takes office.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
  25. Open letter is a waste of time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Funny

    Who's going to read it to him?

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    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re:Open letter is a waste of time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, funny joke. He's not someone you agree with politically so he must be uneducated. He'll need someone to read the words of the letter to him because he must be illiterate. That was the premise of your joke, right? You deserve a golf clap. I guess you've come back from destroying your home office in rage for not having your chosen candidate win the election, and now you can grace us with your derogatory comments about Trump any time a story may even remotely be able to be twisted to do so. Welcome back, P.R. We missed you.

    2. Re:Open letter is a waste of time by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      He'll need someone to read the words of the letter to him because he must be illiterate. That was the premise of your joke, right?

      No. By his own admission, The Donald doesn't like to read.

      http://www.esquire.com/news-po...

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
  26. Brilliant by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1
    The letter sent on Monday by the Internet Association, a trade group whose 40 members also include Alphabet's Google, Uber and Twitter, represents an early effort to repair the relationship between the technology sector and Trump

    .

    We loathe you with every fiber of our being. Here's a list of what we want.

  27. They will get no answer. by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    The list of their requests has been strongly encrypted with their own software, but they forgot to send the key to Trump....

  28. Strong encryption is the least significant item by shaitand · · Score: 1

    This is a list of terrible things with a few positive points slipped in. Bringing back any variation of the TPP terms would be terrible and the "reform" they have in mind for "immigration" wouldn't be reform at all, it would be further deepening the problem. Reform would be eliminating the h1b program and offshoring not expanding it.

    1. Re:Strong encryption is the least significant item by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I agree that TPP would be a bad thing. But the reasons that Trump opposes it are not ...

      I was going to say not good reasons, but now that I think about it, and have done some googling, I can't actually find any specific reason Trump ever gave for opposing it. He described it as a "horrible deal" but that's as specific as he has ever gotten. He did say "It's a deal that was designed for China to come in, as they always do, through the back door and totally take advantage of everyone." But China is not a signatory to the deal, so that makes no sense.

  29. The Obamacare one is the funniest, I think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He ran on an immediate full repeal of Obamacare,

    This one is so easy. Folks, every time you hear a Republican say they're going to repeal Romneycare, you know they're lying. It doesn't matter if you -- shit, did I say Romneycare? Sorry. I meant, every time you hear a Republican say they're going to repeal Obamacare, you know they're lying. They're not mistaken. They're not thinking it's going to be a hard political battle, which they may or may not win. I mean they're lying about their intentions.

    I don't care if you think Obamacare is a good idea or not. That is totally irrelevant to what I'm talking about. I'm saying that when a Republican (post-2010) says they're against it, that Republican is lying. If you're against Obamacare and you vote for a Republican based on his promise they he'll repeal Obamacare, you just got duped, because you're actually voting to keep Obamacare. Republicans love Obamacare.

    Got that? Let me say it again.

    REPUBLICANS LOVE OBAMACARE. Even weirdo Republicans who aren't real Republicans, like Trump, intend to keep it. Paul Ryan is going to try to keep it too.

    For those of you who don't know why, I'll explain: Obamacare is the last bastion to prevent socialized medicine from happening. It's going to be either Obamacare or NHS (or else telling voters that you're taking away their health insurance), so Republicans are going to desperately grasp onto it.

    1. Re:The Obamacare one is the funniest, I think by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I also like to think that they will keep Obamacare because it's the one issue that got them elected and if Obamacare went away they'd have to actually get off their asses and start governing.

  30. VoIP vs Copper by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    I have pretty good luck with "most" VoIP systems, as long as their ATA's have the T.38 protocols by pretty much dumbing down the fax to just a plain ole G3, disabling any short protocols, setting the compression to MH/MMH and a few other settings, but once in a while, you'll get the one or two numbers it just will not work with. The biggest complaint is "the lines of words look like a barcode" from dropped packet/noise.

  31. Trump won but he's still Our Bitch by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

    Actually, wait a minute. It makes sense, but it has jack shit to do with the electoral college nonsense.

    The day before the election, there was one thing that every one of us knew: whoever won, would not have the support anywhere close to half of the country. Had Clinton won, nobody would be kissing her ass either, you know.

    One of the very best reasons to vote for Trump, was to try to prevent Clinton from becoming president. Just as the best reason to vote for Clinton was to prevent Trump from becoming president. I realize people in those camps might have had other reasons for voting the way they did, but they were a minority. (Don't blame me; I voted for Johnson. I tried to help both efforts and also get a great president too. Yeah, call me unrealistically greedy.)

    As it happens, one of the efforts failed and the other succeeded. But let's not pretend that plenty of people who voted for Trump weren't gagging as they did it. You damn well know it's true, just as there was plenty of Clinton-voter vomit found in the voting booths also.

    Everyone needs to keep the same attitude that they had when they thought Clinton was going to win: president-elect, you're our bitch. The president is still going to be our bitch, and nobody should forget that. Getting the election results didn't change that.

    Issue orders. Everyone should be issuing orders. The Clinton/Trump president-elect, who we now just call Trump, is going to have to do a lot to start getting credit with anyone.

    And anyone who thinks this is arrogant, either isn't American or needs to take a deep breath. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, Americans, but do this: take a deep breath and then say, "The government is my bitch. The government will always be The People's Bitch. That is what America is." Just say it. It's not as flowery as what Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1776 but it's shorter and easier to memorize. Go on, do it. Let it be your new Pledge of Allegiance if it isn't already.

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    "Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
  32. They can solve it by banning all SJW idiots. by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    80% of the hate I see on Twitter is from the SJW idiots... They all act like a brainless mob.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:They can solve it by banning all SJW idiots. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      The left is a brainless mob. The right is a brainless mob. And the middle just ignores politics to protect their sanity.

    2. Re:They can solve it by banning all SJW idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is run by SJW idiots. It's why we see so much anti-trump out of the "editors".

    3. Re:They can solve it by banning all SJW idiots. by Reeeeeeeeeee · · Score: 1

      Hey look more trolls

    4. Re:They can solve it by banning all SJW idiots. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      we are use to you being here..... so we dont notice you.

  33. Deal With The Devil by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    No deals can be made with TRUMPENSTEIN. He never honors his deals. He will betray. The TRUMPASTOPHY is upon us. Fight back in every way that you can. Ask nothing of the monster and humiliate him in every way at every opportunity. Organize a TRUMPENSTEIN comic book competition among the tech and nerd communities. Make TRUMPENSTEIN movies. Impeach the creep before he takes office. Come on people. Bloom ! Be all that you can be ! Be creative and join the good fight. Maybe even TRUMPENSTEIN porn movie showing the rape of the 13 year old girl by the orange duck. And label that orange pumpkin TRUMPENSTEIN with a blond wig on it ! Make note that the media is hiding the huge protests breaking out all over America.

  34. shoot a few media sluts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Media pleading is exactly opposite to the desires and best interests of the white working yeomanry who elected him. Trump needs to takes a few scalps from entitled fatKat media-sluts and spread the blood for all to see. Trashing 99% of H1-bs is an excellent start. Ruthlessly high tariffs on imported manufactures goods is a 2nd. Rigorous Gub'mnt regulation ( & discipline *hehehe* ) of Internet companies as common-carriers finishes a nice triple. Stringent enforcement of GLASS/SIEGEL forces retail banks to look after customers first ... they are really a public utility since deposits are insured by the Feds ... that would really fuck-the-Fatkat speculators in the *zzwhole.

  35. And the middle just ignores politics to protect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the middle gets what it deserves for letting the lunatic fringe take and maintain control over these United States of America.

    At least I can relax with sexy, nude pictures of the First Lady. Couldn't find any nekkid pics of the outgoing First Lady (who was massively sexier, BTW).