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The FBI Got Its Hands on Data That Twitter Wouldn't Give the CIA (theverge.com)

The FBI is using a tool called Dataminr to track criminals and terrorist groups on Twitter, according to documents spotted by The Verge. In a contract document, the agency says Dataminr's Advanced Alerting Tool allows it "to search the complete Twitter firehose, in near real-time, using customizable filters." However, the practice seems to violate Twitter's developer agreement, which prohibits the use of its data feed for surveillance or spying purposes. From the report:"Twitter is used extensively by terrorist organizations and other criminals to communicate, recruit, and raise funds for illegal activity," the FBI wrote in a contracting document. "With increased use of Twitter by subjects of FBI investigations, it is critical to obtain a service which will allow the FBI to identify relevant information from Twitter in a timely fashion." [...] Earlier this year, Twitter revoked API access to a tool called Geofeedia, citing the same clause in the Developer agreement, after a reports showed the tool had been used by police to target protestors in Baltimore. Facebook was also a Geofeedia customer, and used it to catch an intruder in Mark Zuckerberg's office. This isn't the first time Dataminr has run up against Twitter's anti-surveillance clause. In May, Twitter revoked CIA access to Dataminr, a move that was taken as part of a larger ban on US intelligence agencies using the product.

76 comments

  1. FBI != CIA by khallow · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's worth noting that the two organizations have different legal restraints. So it is possible for the FBI to have access legally via a court warrant which the CIA, not being a law enforcement agency couldn't get. This also indicates that illegal cooperation between agencies is a serious risk.

    1. Re:FBI != CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Information sharing between agencies was made completely legal by the Homeland Security Act. As long as the initial agency obtains the information legally, it can be shared with ANY other government agency, law enforcement or not, with no legal restrictions whatsoever.

    2. Re:FBI != CIA by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's worth noting that the two organizations have different legal restraints. So it is possible for the FBI to have access legally via a court warrant which the CIA, not being a law enforcement agency couldn't get. This also indicates that illegal cooperation between agencies is a serious risk.

      Nothing is illegal anymore when it comes to combating "terrorism", and this is just another example of offering up a proxy in order for the CIA to obtain the information they asked for.

    3. Re:FBI != CIA by taustin · · Score: 0

      The legal restriction is that the CIA cannot perform law enforcement functions inside the United States.

      This has nothing whatsoever to do with Twitter's terms of service.

    4. Re:FBI != CIA by myowntrueself · · Score: 4, Informative

      Information sharing between agencies was made completely legal by the Homeland Security Act. As long as the initial agency obtains the information legally, it can be shared with ANY other government agency, law enforcement or not, with no legal restrictions whatsoever.

      Then theres Five Eyes. So basically anything the CIA or FBI have access to, the NZSIS, ASIS, CSIS, MI5, MI6 and GCHQ all have access to. And anyone else who has hacked them, like the Russians and Chinese or IBM.

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    5. Re:FBI != CIA by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      The legal restriction is that the CIA cannot perform law enforcement functions inside the United States.

      ... and MI6/GCHQ cannot legal spy inside the UK. So the normal way around this is for the CIA to spy on British citizens, while MI6 spies on Americans, and then they just swap information.

    6. Re:FBI != CIA by taustin · · Score: 1

      Which still has nothing to with Twitter's terms of service.

    7. Re:FBI != CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And on top of that, Israeli intelligence enjoys unfiltered access (the all-seeing 6th eye) to whatever the US collects, so something that the FBI might not have a warrant for can be passed along from Mossad as a friendly gesture.

    8. Re:FBI != CIA by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Five eyes is all about the US having five eyes. There is a whole bunch of stuff the US keeps secret from the others whilst demanding full access. Let's be honest if there is one government in the world which should most definitely not be trusted, it is the US government and this not because of by far the majority of honest people working in those organisations but because of corporate contractor access and control and the political corporate appointees who make it possible.

      Only the foolish plot criminal schemes on twitter and Facebook, safer for everyone when they are caught before they can chaotically achieve nothing but harm along the way to failing. Data mining is extremely vulnerable to database poisoning and 'er' competing organisation can quite readily inject in false data to have them chasing their own tales arresting completely innocent people.

      GIGO rules and one the computers are far more readily capable of, is producing false data and turning data miners into acts of futility. You can quite readily produce more false data than anything else you can do with a computer, orders of magnitude greater (think DDOS in data terms, simply flooding those data bases out).

      The only way out, get rid of the contractors as fast as possible and go back to agents in the field. In fact using mobile technology those agents in the field, getting a feel of what is going on, should be able to interact with the office, as if they were in the office, even though they are out in the field directly interacting with what is going on. A good agents senses being far more reliable than a readily corrupted computer program and data set and team of good agents is way more useful, than a bank of computers. The computers lack the creativity the agents have especially when a team of agents work together but then where are the profits for the corporations in that, hence the entire contractor debacle, just another thing fucked over by corporate greed and corruption.

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    9. Re:FBI != CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "There is a whole bunch of stuff the US keeps secret from the others whilst demanding full access" Of course they keep secrets but so does every everyone else. And if the US demands some country provide them with data what is keeping the country from just saying NO? The governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan publically complain about US drones strikes on their territory but have privately giving the US permission to continue the operations. All of the countries hosting a US military forces can ask the US to leave at anytime. Every time the US has been asked to leave they have. If you believe the US is so bad and untrustworthy shouldn't they exit NATO and come home so they don't inflict any more harm with their presence? What do you think would happen after the US left? I would love to see this happen. The world needs a fresh look at reality when the evil and overbearing US is not around. The US has provided a measure of global order for so long no one remembers what the world looked like before. I don't excuse or claim the US always does the right thing or that the actions taken always were tailored to protect and place US interests as the top priority.
      Do you think the Russians and Chinese are shining examples of government transparency and global cooperation? And corporations are multi-national these days. Do you think corporate contractors only exist in the US? And foreign intelligence agencies still rely on more HUMINT than any ELINT. Governments are more interested in creating cyber weapons than sorting through grandmas e-mails. Bulk collection of electronic data is worthless these days. Even one of the documents released by Snowden mentioned the NSA shutting down the project aimed at siphoning bulk data off the internet. The project was deemed worthless. What governments do have are potent cyber tools and methods when they go against an identified target. If you show up on any foreign intelligence agencies radar you are in trouble.

      No governments are trust worthy. There are some governments better at managing their citizens than others but that is all relative. When you only single out the US you are in effect giving the worst countries on the planet a free pass for any of their actions. You end up ignoring or excusing the actions of countries such as NK and pretty much every country in the ME.

    10. Re:FBI != CIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In practice since 9-11, not so much.

    11. Re:FBI != CIA by khallow · · Score: 1

      This has nothing whatsoever to do with Twitter's terms of service.

      The title of this story is "The FBI Got Its Hands on Data That Twitter Wouldn't Give the CIA". So yes, I agree that this story doesn't have to do with Twitter's terms of service except in a peripheral manner.

  2. The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by mi · · Score: 1

    Unless you sincerely advocate for abolition of the CIA and FBI, you should help them do their jobs. They are paid with our taxes — Twitter's included — the easier it is for them to access messages, the less money they require.

    The tweets captured by the firehose are public anyway. The API simply eases access to it, so why cripple the lawmen of your own country?

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    1. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      If the data is already public, as you claim, then what's your concern?

    2. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by iggymanz · · Score: 0

      You are deluded you or anyone can control how the CIA and FBI spend their time? Try not paying those taxes and see what happens. Try writing your congressman and telling them what the FBI and CIA should be doing. You're funny and naive. And quite stupid.

    3. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by mi · · Score: 1

      If the data is already public, as you claim, then what's your concern?

      My concern is, it is unduly difficult for the CIA (though not yet for the FBI) to get that data in real time. They can scrape Twitter's web-site, because it is public, but that is not as easy and introduces obvious latency.

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    4. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      I suppose you feel the same about the KGB, comrade?

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    5. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

      Unless you sincerely advocate for abolition of the CIA and FBI, you should help them do their jobs.

      Yep, no middle ground between either helping them do their jobs or abolishing them completely. I know that we have a lot of programmers here but remember that most of life is analog, not binary.

    6. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Troll

      Wow. Someone is stupid and that someone is you. His point is that the data is already PUBLIC, it is POSTED ON TWITTER. So why make it harder for them to get to the data? They are going to get it no matter what. The difference is that one method is presumably more expensive than another.

    7. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by mi · · Score: 1, Funny

      You are deluded you or anyone can control how the CIA and FBI spend their time?

      So, you do advocate for abolition of the two agencies?

      Try writing your congressman and telling them what the FBI and CIA should be doing.

      Funny, whenever I point out this remoteness and unruliness of the government in conversations about things like public transport or public schools, your kind always claim, government is easily approachable and responsive to taxpayers — and therefore is better positioned to provide these services, than competing private corporations would be.

      But, when it comes to law enforcement — which is something, that private corporations can not be trusted with due to an obvious conflict of interest — you turn around and turn into the exact opposite. Suddenly, government agencies become both evil and uncontrollable.

      Try writing your congressman and telling them what the FBI and CIA should be doing

      Only after you write to yours about Department of Education, deal?

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    8. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by mi · · Score: 1

      Yep, no middle ground between either helping them do their jobs or abolishing them completely.

      Indeed, there is not — not in this case. At least, I don't see any — and if you do, you forgot to mention it.

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    9. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because not everyone wants to help clearly unconstitutional state actors further their works?

      It may be accessible, but I'm not handing a Nazi the gun to shoot someone else.

    10. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 2

      Do you also think that companies outside the US should provide data about their customers, including Americans, directly to non-US intelligence agencies, or do you think only US companies should do that for US intelligence agencies?

      I'm asking because one reason to not have special "Orwellian" data links from private companies to intelligence agencies within the US would be that the US should lead by giving a good example, so e.g. US authorities can argue convincingly to other countries that they shouldn't collect massive data on US citizens but only on select targets under reasonable suspicion. I'm worried that by giving intelligence agencies too much leeway, the US could gamble away more of its moral authority than it already has for only moderate gains. (Of course, Russia has recently forced companies to install such links under a new law, but maybe they aren't giving a good example anyway and Russia is way further outside the sphere of US influence than other countries.)

    11. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because government actually controls public transport or public schools, and the administration controls the FBI & CIA, and loosely at that.

      How about you learn what the fuck your government does, deal?

    12. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about judicial warrants, oversight, and targeted versus unfiltered surveillance?

    13. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by mi · · Score: 2

      Do you also think that companies outside the US should provide data about their customers

      There are places in the world, where the government is evil and remains in power not thanks to the sincere will of the governed, but by force of arms and other coercion. In such countries law enforcement organizations (such as the already-mentioned KGB) are used for oppression and should, indeed, be abolished. No cooperation with them is ethical. Even there, however, cooperation with institutions charged only with investigations of real crimes (murders, theft, rape) would be Ok — if it were possible to discern these institutions from each other, which is a separate topic...

      The US is not (yet?) such a country in my humble opinion. But, if Twitter's management disagrees, then they should, indeed, call for abolition of the FBI and/or CIA to be self-consistent.

      "Orwellian" data links from private companies to intelligence agencies

      Orwell's Big Brother watched people in private. We are talking here about public data — stuff people willingly and enthusiastically post on Twitter.

      I'm worried that by giving intelligence agencies too much leeway, the US could gamble away more of its moral authority

      How is our "moral authority" threatened in this case? I'm not saying, FBI should be able to compel firms into cooperation. My point is, it is foolish for the companies to deliberately cripple authorities whose work they do not oppose in general.

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    14. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that this is an existing interface, and requires absolutely no action from Twitter in order to allow the CIA, the FBI, or even yo momma to access it, right? So why are you trying to compare some random person accessing publicly available information using an existing interface with some random person demanding access to private information?

      If someone walked into the mall, shouted "I'M GAY", then demanded that everyone ignore what he just said, everyone would laugh at that person. Why then do we accept it when the mall is Twitter?

    15. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 1

      No I didn't realize that. If this is an existing interface, then what on earth is the problem? Is the CIA too incompetent to use this existing interface and therefore has to rely on the FBI?

    16. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      What happened was Twitter told the CIA they could no longer use the existing service and i believe they banned the ip addresses of that organization. A little Google will help you learn more details. The story also ran in slashdot

    17. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by RandomSurfer314 · · Score: 2

      Do you also think that companies outside the US should provide data about their customers

      There are places in the world, where the government is evil and remains in power not thanks to the sincere will of the governed, but by force of arms and other coercion.

      How about Germany or Italy then? Would you mind if they give your data away with free technical aid and without court order to secret German and Italian data collection authorities? Where do you draw the line?

      Orwell's Big Brother watched people in private. We are talking here about public data — stuff people willingly and enthusiastically post on Twitter.

      Maybe the position of Twitter and similar companies is that a company should not provide bulk data collection to intelligence agencies unless compelled to do so by law. That's consistent with thinking that the CIA is important for the US and maybe even should be supported, and even consistent with providing such bulk data links to other authorities (or advertisers, say). Bear in mind that automatic mass surveillance != publicly available data, as anybody can confirm who puts a robot.txt on his website with the hope that it will be respected. The fact that some data is publicly available does not necessarily justify that it should be used for mass data collection and heuristic evaluation.

    18. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "US could gamble away more of its moral authority" Moral authority has never applied to international relations. The US just happens to be the worlds whipping boy for every perceived ill in the world. The US intelligence agencies had no need to spy on EU citizens. Those countries collect the data on their citizens all by themselves and then share that data with the US agencies. US intelligence agencies spy on foreign leaders of every country of interest and that is no more and no less than all the countries of the world spy on US political, military, commercial, and individuals. And until people are willing to hold the Russians and Chinese to the same standards you demand from the US you will never drain the animosity that is bubbling over in the US for anything or anyone perceived as foreigners. You think the US makes a bad allie wait to you see what a US enemy looks like.

    19. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly.

      "Hi, Im the CEO of Twitter, Twitter is failing as a company and a product because Twitter sucks, its mostly used by companies to spout PR garbage to anyone listening, and by criminals. No one will probably ever want to buy it, its worth nothing, but I'm going piss off law enforcement something that public anyways because I can."

    20. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, given that you used words incorrectly, I think you have no idea what the fuck our government does.

    21. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      It's time for a Choose Your Own Adventure story!

      =====================

      You left work early today because you have an Airbnb guest coming to stay the night and wanted to make sure that they found the key you left for them and were getting situated. As you pulled past your No Trespassing sign to enter your driveway, you saw FBI vans parked on your front lawn and dozens of FBI agents swarming your house, though none of them seemed to care about you being there. From what you could gather, they were using your home as a base for a large-scale surveillance operation. They've set up innumerable cameras and floodlights. Computer monitors shine brightly from every room of your house. They're even flying drones in circles to get 360 degree panoramic shots. Nothing is escaping their notice. Nothing.

      As you might expect, some neighbors have gathered outside, both out of curiosity and to voice their annoyance at the disturbance, so you ask to see a warrant. From another room you hear a voice say, "I'm sure we have one", but no one provides you with anything. About that time, you realized they were running all of their equipment off your electrical outlets, had your A/C at full blast, and had even helped themselves to the contents of your fridge, including the Dagwood sandwich you were saving for later. That was too much for you. Some lines can't be crossed.

      You demand that they explain themselves, to which they politely explain that they are surveilling your driveway to stop terrorists, and that to do so, they need to set up shop on your property since your property is the only place with an unobstructed view of your driveway. As you talk some more, you find out that your Airbnb guest was actually invented by the FBI in order to get a key so they could let themselves in. But they make it clear that they figured you'd be fine with it, since you give keys out pretty freely to guests. Plus, they were under the impression you wouldn't mind them surveilling your driveway, given that anyone visiting your property would be able to see your driveway anyway.

      Do you:
      Sleep well tonight, content in the fact that they are surveilling your driveway because terrorists while living in your home at your expense?
      Thank you for your support, citizen. Continue as you were.

      Take umbrage at the fact that they ignored the No Trespassing sign, lied to you to get a key, and have helped themselves to your food and electricity, all without a warrant, but allow them to continue as they were for as long as they please?
      Thank you for your support, citizen. Continue as you were.

      Tell them that they've broken the terms under which the key was provided, point to the No Trespassing sign, and politely demand that unless they can provide a court order, they had better get the hell off your property?
      Deal with people on the Internet saying you need to do more to support your government.

      Jump straight to providing them with a reminder of the 2nd Amendment?
      Go to jail and/or morgue.

      =====================

      At the end of the day, while the information in the firehose may be public information, it's only accessible by using Twitter, which is a private service that is under no obligation to provide unlimited access at their own expense. Surveillance operations put a strain on Twitter's service without providing any direct benefits to its users, which is the whole point of providing API access in the first place. As such, if Twitter wants to disallow that use, it is well within its rights to do so and would in fact be wise to do so. If the FBI wants to collect that information, they are welcome to it...provided they can get a warrant or access it without violating Twitter's terms.

    22. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by mi · · Score: 2

      Would you mind if they give your data away with free technical aid and without court order to secret German and Italian data collection authorities? Where do you draw the line?

      German and Italian governments today are alright. Though I'm appalled by their position on the so called "hate speech", it is still Ok in my opinion to cooperate with their police.

      Maybe the position of Twitter and similar companies is that a company should not provide bulk data collection to intelligence agencies unless compelled to do so by law.

      No "maybes" here — it obviously is their position. And I argue, that it is a foolish one.

      The fact that some data is publicly available does not necessarily justify that it should be used for mass data collection and heuristic evaluation.

      Whether it should may be for the FBI, CIA, et all to decide. But it is certainly not unethical for the companies to cooperate in easing police access to the already public data.

      The test is very simple: could millions of police officers watching millions of Twitter feeds in their browsers and taking notes legally collect the data? Yes. Therefore, there is nothing wrong in automating the same job. The same test applies to license-plate readers and other creative use of video-cameras, BTW — sad, but true.

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    23. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Well in the case of the FBI we were able to run the country for 100 years without a 'national police force' so I don't really see why they have to be a hard requirement. We have state and local police the Justice department could just coordinate between agencies and rely on the Marshall service for extreme situations were the local agency might be the problem.

      As far as the CIA goes, we probably need a foreign intelligence service. We really have always had espionage capability going back the revolution. I think there would be a solid argument for placing that as a military branch rather than a direct state department organ. Oh wait we have that, its called the NSA. Yes I get that NSA is SIGINT focused but it does not have to stay that way purely. We could get rid of both and recreate the OSS. It would probably be much more accountable and still effective.

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    24. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      Completely correct. There's nothing more American than unquestioningly submitting to authority and government intrusion.

      Say, comrade, if you'd also quarter a few troops in your house, it would show us how much of a real patriot you are!

    25. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by TroII · · Score: 1

      The tweets captured by the firehose are public anyway.

      Are you certain of that? I know I've come across Twitter accounts that are set to "Followers Only," where the tweets they post are absolutely not available to the public. Are those tweets demonstrably not included in the full take that Datminr gets?

    26. Re:The data is already public, why criplle lawmen? by ausekilis · · Score: 1

      Because the CIA aren't lawmen, and their jurisdiction is outside the US. It's the FBI's job to enforce federal law within US borders.

  3. borg queen's vagina by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lick it and stick it! even Q couldn't resist a taste!

  4. Vowl Removl by clonehappy · · Score: 1

    It infuriates me to no end that people think it's hip or somehow cute to take a word, remove a vowel, and think it's somehow now some hip creative name for their stupid service or tool. Dataminr. I'd like to find who ever came up with that and let them meet the Analizr, I'll leave what that tool would do as an exercise for the reader.

    1. Re:Vowl Removl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      h whtvr. Slshdt wld b mch bttr wtht vwls.

    2. Re:Vowl Removl by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      I think part of it is that dictionary bots have already reserved any normal sort of name you can conceive of. So you can get tumblr.com for cheaper than tumbler.com and so on.

    3. Re:Vowl Removl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It has more to do with available domain names. So many are squatted out that misspellings are about all that's left. Especially if you want a gtld that people will not try to put .com at the end of.

    4. Re:Vowl Removl by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      It infuriates me to no end that people think it's hip or somehow cute to take a word, remove a vowel, and think it's somehow now some hip creative name for their stupid service or tool. Dataminr. I'd like to find who ever came up with that and let them meet the Analizr, I'll leave what that tool would do as an exercise for the reader.

      Yeah, I can't wait for the first hip startup to name itself with an unpronounceable glyph.

    5. Re: Vowl Removl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same goes for *gate. For example, #pizzagate

    6. Re:Vowl Removl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exercise no further reader... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    7. Re:Vowl Removl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, cut them some slack. They only had 8 characters available for the filename. :P

  5. A perfect way to diffuse responsibility by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Now that Twitter is selling access through Dataminr rather than directly, now they can let all kinds of unsavory parties get access and if anyone complains, they can say "We can't cut off an entire company over a few rotten eggs! What about all of their customers who did nothing wrong? Maybe you should complain to them. It's not really our business anyway!"

    Meanwhile if anyone complains to Dataminr they can just say "Fuck off, we'll sell to whoever we want TYVM," and not only is Twitter safe from any PR consequences, but so is Dataminr since the least terrible set of customers they cater to is a bunch of abominable ad-monsters.

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    1. Re:A perfect way to diffuse responsibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually,, what Dataminr is doing is not all that difficult. I wrote a similar application for the CDC. It searched the firehose for terms related to illness instead of terrorist activity but the concept is the same.

  6. Let me get this straight by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The data is too sensitive and the potential for privacy violation is too high for the FBI or CIA to be given access, but it's perfectly fine for hedge funds, advertisers, newspapers, and, well, any other asshole with a checkbook?

    Really?

    1. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The data is too sensitive and the potential for privacy violation is too high for the FBI or CIA to be given access, but it's perfectly fine for hedge funds, advertisers, newspapers, and, well, any other asshole with a checkbook?

      Really?

      Guess it goes to show you who's at the top of the list of abusers of said data.

      Either that, or someone's got a serious vendetta against the government and any agency within.

    2. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After visiting that About Us page, I can only see one thing...
      http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/86548.jpg

      _

    3. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... asshole with a checkbook?

      The damage an "asshole with a checkbook" can do, is totally different to what the FBI with guns and prisons, or the CIA with kidnapping and torture, can do to a person. Most of the time, the person using the law to excuse his actions, is the real danger.

    4. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Advertisers don't have a history of manipulating elections and targeting law-abiding political figures.

    5. Re:Let me get this straight by guruevi · · Score: 1

      The asshole with a checkbook can still legally sell derivative data to the FBI, if the asshole does the filtering. The Twitter restriction only applies to using the raw Firehose data itself for spying, a search function product does not necessarily have the same restrictions.

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  7. I'm fine with this by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    As someone that believes we should be free from government intrusion, I am happy that Twitter basically told the FBI to pound sand. Those that would trade liberty for security get none and deserve neither. Thomas Jefferson said it best.

    1. Re:I'm fine with this by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      Those that would trade liberty for security get none and deserve neither.

      Especially if they're posting every detail of their lives on an inherently public platform.

    2. Re:I'm fine with this by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Those that would trade liberty for security get none and deserve neither. Thomas Jefferson said it best.

      Even better than Benjamin Franklin?

  8. The FBI Got Its Hands on Data That Twitter Wouldn' by rickyslashdot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Talk about a tempest in a teapot - - - Twitter is so totally open, with it's datastream virtually wide open, that this issue is basically just a 'news bleep' that just isn't news.
    Give me a break - so the CIA (or whomever) can access the 'firehose' at Twitter - well, so can just about anybody else.
    Besides, Twitter not only gives access to this data, they also data-mine the stream for advertising and sales purposes.

    ANYBODY using Twitter (or any other 'social media') that expects any kind of effective data security is so totally out of touch with reality that there is just no realistic communication with them. With the openness of the social media craze, I have very little sympathy for any of that crowd that gets hammered with loss of password / name / credit card data / etc from breaches in the social media's systems - since the social media orgs are basically setting themselves up as targets for any script kiddie that wants to 'give it a whirl' using any of the vast number of hacking / cracking tools available off the web. When you get to the level of state sponsored intruders, the social media orgs are just plain old 'low hanging fruit'.

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  9. Signing a contract doesn't mean they got the data by andy1307 · · Score: 2

    "The FBI signed a contract" is not the same as "The FBI got the data". You must be new to government contracting.

  10. Re: The data is already public, why criplle lawmen by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Because I trust our Lawmen even less than I do the terrorists.

    At least I know what to expect from a terrorist. :|

  11. Not really a news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Their website states they provide information for gov, finance and tech companies. Last year I interviewed the company and they gave me a question of designing a system to fetch and analyze the keywords in tweets at different time frequency...

  12. Re: The data is already public, why criplle lawmen by mi · · Score: 1

    Because I trust our Lawmen even less than I do the terrorists.

    So, you would have the police abolished, right? Fine, at least, you are self-consistent so far. But Twitter's management, it is safe to assume, does not — and yet, they don't want to cooperate with them either.

    At least I know what to expect from a terrorist. :|

    Non-sequitur.

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  13. Old News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And by old I mean at least by several months, if not almost by a year. Because I have read it. Somewhere. Probably at Techdirt.com

  14. Twitter is used extensively by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    Twitter is used extensively by terrorist organizations and other criminals such as the F.B.I.

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  15. And this is why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one bothers to use twitter anymore. What *it* really is, is a tool for intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

  16. They only have themselves to blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    reports showed the tool had been used by police to target protestors in Baltimore.

    If they would stop oppressing the people, there would be less resistance to the use against actual "bad guys". They only have themselves to blame.

  17. In other words by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    In other words you'd be foolish to think that anything you do on the internet would include any expectation of privacy or anonymity, no matter what steps you take or what assurances you may have been given.

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  18. If you don't like the game ... by frovingslosh · · Score: 1

    There are fictional games on-line where you can kill people, but only extremely weak minded liberals complain about them. Here E.A. created an on-line game where you can steal the other players "money". Not real money, but pretend in-game money. Seem to me that the F.B.I. just doesn't understand that it is part of the game.

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  19. Re: The data is already public, why criplle lawmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're not required to cooperate with them.

    You can require the government to be there, but not aid & abet them destroying the 4th amendment.

  20. DCMA violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is a criminal copyright violation and also a RICO violation since it was a conspiracy among several.

  21. Silly game of whack-a-mole by russotto · · Score: 1

    Every time Twitter shuts down a feed used for surveillance, the FBI will simply set up another one or two or three under a cover name. Not really much point in trying to prevent it; what's tweeted to the public is going to be available to the government.

  22. same head though. by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    and they just bought it from a company who is selling them and fbi is stupid enough to pay for it.

    getting "realtime analysis" isn't all that great that it's meant to be.

    also, twitter is kinda weird - providing developer access to firehose and then .. well. damn, the only use of it is realtime analytics AND REALTIME ANALYTICS IS SURVEILLANCE GODDMAADNFDSAF.

    you ever wondered how twitter managed to be so big without managing to make a cent of profit while their service logic is 100x simpler than facebooks is? because it was always headed by idiots.

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