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Amazon Now Sells Cars (reuters.com)

Fiat Chrysler said it has teamed up with Amazon to sell its cars via the e-commerce company's site. Not only will you be able to order a car with a simple click online, but doing so will earn you an additional discount. Reuters reports: Initially only Italian buyers will be able to purchase their cars with a simple click online and the offers on Amazon. It will be limited to three models -- the 500, the Panda and the 500L. FCA said the choice was deliberate because the Panda is Italy's biggest selling car, while buyers of the 500 and its larger 500L version embody the young and adventurous nature this initiative is trying to appeal to. "The time has arrived to give consumers a new, more efficient and transparent way to choose a new vehicle," Gianluca Italia, responsible for Fiat Chrysler in Italy, said during an online press conference. The manager at the world's seventh largest carmaker said the partnership will appeal to buyers looking for deals from the comfort of their own home, adding that existing promotions will be improved by up to 33 percent for online customers. So, after making their clicks online, buyers will be contacted by Amazon to decide on a dealer where they can finalize their purchase and pick up the car. The vehicle should be ready within two weeks of the initial click.

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  1. Finalize with a dealer, screw that by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 4, Informative

    They have completely missed the point. I, nor just about any other human on earth, wants to have to "deal" with a dealer. Those sleazy turds are only going to give this process a bad name. If there is a way that any one of them can figure out how to screw us on this deal, then they will. Once one figures out the loophole, they all have figured out the loophole.

    One of the few powers I have when dealing with a dealer is to say, FU and walk away the moment they pull their sleazy crap. But if I have made a commitment to Amazon and then have to go to some dirtbag who will own me. I might as well go there not wearing pants as it will just make the whole process of screwing me that much faster.

    A tiny example of the sort of sleaze that dealers will do is to hand you a pile of forms for you to sign. They will say things like that they are required by law, or that the warranty won't be valid. But the reality is that you don't need to sign anything but the registration form that is part of the car's title. So what forms are they getting you to sign? A very common one is that you are agreeing to binding arbitration if there is any dispute about the car. Another allows them to do a credit check, even if you are paying cash. Others will look very official but are just to get detailed marketing information. These will look like finance agreements and will ask for SSN wages, employers, references, etc.

    The dealers are scum, and Amazon gave me a glimmer of hope that they were going to allow us to end run them, but nope, they are just sending us to a deeper form of dealer hell.

    All hail Tesla for doing its damnedest to break the backs of the dealers and their monopolistic abuses.

    1. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah but when you deal with a dealer, at least a little guy is coming out ahead, and maybe a bunch of little guys. When you deal with Amazon, only Jeff Bezos is coming out ahead.

    2. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by turkeydance · · Score: 2

      individual states have laws/regulations which allow ONLY dealers to sell new cars. Amazon is complying with those laws.

    3. Re: Finalize with a dealer, screw that by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      I don't really care as long as it's prime eligible.

    4. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but when you deal with a dealer, at least a Wealthy dynasty is coming out ahead, and maybe a multi-state monopoly When you deal with Amazon, only Jeff Bezos and the aforementioned scumbag dynasty is coming out ahead.

      Where are you from where the dealerships are owned by "little guys"?

    5. Re: Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I share your dealer sentiment, but if it's anything like the Costco auto problem it could be fine. You pick your car & price via Amazon and so long as it's guaranteed price and no hassle, the dealer just finalizes paperwork and gives you a car. Around here they usually have a dedicated sales rep who handles the Costco buyers, very different experience. They know they're working with a set price and a lower margin so it's in their best interest to handle the transaction efficiently and go for volume instead. I'd still rather have Amazon ship me a new car directly (in 2 days too - I'm a prime member damnit!) but if they structure it right this could still be a solid improvement.

    6. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Where are you from where the dealerships are owned by "little guys"?

      The dealers are "little guys" in the same sense that Carlo Gambino was a "little guy": They are sometimes short in stature.

      Personally, I would much rather my money go to Jeff Bezos than some scumbag car dealership. At least Jeff isn't using political cronyism to force me to buy through Amazon.

    7. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by thenitz · · Score: 2

      Can anyone explain to a foreigner why is it such a pain to buy a car in the US?

      I live in Eastern Europe, bought a car last year and it was simple and actually fun. First I researched the car online, then I went to a number of dealers to see the cars live, test drive them, and ask questions about things like maintenance costs, software updates or performance of the lane keeping system on local roads. I really enjoyed, as a shopper, those two weekends spent doing test drives.

      I eventually selected a model, went to the manufacturer web site and configured it to my liking. Ended up with a one-off vehicle configuration - blue compact minivan body with Android Auto, raised suspension and a sunroof. I emailed the spec sheet to a couple of dealers in the area, picked the one with the largest discount, paid them a visit to sign a contract; then made an advance payment by Internet banking. Two months later I had my built-to-order car waiting in the dealer showroom. I transferred the rest of the money and picked it up.

      Buying a car in Germany was a similar experience.

      I can't really think of a much better way. OK, the Amazon allows you to skip that one trip to the dealer where you sign the contract. But that wasn't that much of a problem in the first place.

      Don't forget that it's Amazon Italia doing this; not amazon.com .

    8. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 2

      These are middle-class family businesses. You are raging against the wrong machine.

    9. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the Italian Amazon is complying to Italian laws.

      Italy is not one of the fifty states you're referring to.

    10. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do what I do when I buy I car: email every dealer within a 100 mile radius, say exactly what you want, and that whoever responds with the lowest price within one week will get a sale.

    11. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're new here on /.
      Anyways you can soon order a waifu or fiance on amazon. Imagine what the neckbeards will write then lol...
      Like my waifu has a dick. My fiance arrived with tits out rofl...

    12. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Amazon is no better. Ever try to get shipping on a small, common book that is less than a week? Maybe a car dealer is working in the shipping department.

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    13. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Magnus+Pym · · Score: 1

      Little guy? Auto dealers are owned by some of the wealthiest humans who have ever existed. In a given area, many of them are owned by the same guy!

      When you go from one dealer to the other, all you are getting is a different salesperson, so you the only negotiating power you have is over his commission.

    14. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by anegg · · Score: 2

      I bought my current vehicle, a 2000 Toyota 4Runner, on-line in January of 2000 from an outfit called carorder.com. They had built an on-line sales engine, and were trying to establish on-line auto sales as a regular thing. The buying experience was great; they sold multiple makes and models, all of the information was on-line, and it was a fixed price determined by the base car price plus options - no haggling.

      Unfortunately for carorder.com, it was very difficult (ultimately impossible) for them to break through total lockout of anyone other than the existing dealers selling cars. I bought my 4Runner on-line, but in order to actually deliver the car to me, they had to work with a local dealer. They would have delivered the car to my house so that I didn't need to even see the dealer, but I opted to go to the dealer to pick it up. I asked the sales guy at the dealership if he felt threatened by the on-line sales model, since it was a much more pleasant way of buying a car, and netted me a better price than I think I could have gotten any other way. The dealer showed me the $4,000 check that carorder.com had written to the dealership in addition to the $35,000 or so that I was paying (my cash going directly to the dealership), and said if this is what on-line sales are then he was all for it. carorder.com had plans to have their own outlets in each state so that they could deliver the cars themselves, but they were unable to make this happen before they ran out of money (not surprising, given that they were probably paying dealers extra money on every sale that they made). What did work for me was that since I had made the deal through carorder.com, I didn't have to sign any extra dealer paperwork - I just wrote the check, handed it over, and drove away in my car. Unfortunately, I think carorder.com only lasted another 6 months or so.

      I'm glad that Tesla has been pursuing opening up the car market for their own vehicles, but perhaps Amazon will be able to make inroads where carorder.com was unable to with the broader market. The argument against on-line sales seems to be primarily based on the idea that an on-line seller won't be around to provide maintenance and support. This seems to be a solvable problem, perhaps with manufacturer's having a distributed network of authorized warranty repair vendors instead of/in addition to dealerships.

      I would be very happy to see true competitive market pressures introduced to new automobile sales such that buying a new car was a lot easier and a lot more like buying any other commodity.

    15. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Boycie was a little guy...

    16. Re: Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most dealerships are not "middle-class family businesses"

    17. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      These days, they're state wide conglomerates that have swallowed up individual brand dealerships. Now, I have a choice of Executive Honda, Executive Hyundai, Executive Dodge, or Executive volkswagen. Yay!

      Dealers are a pain in the ass and they're always looking to manipulate.. What sucks is I have to pay them for the privilege of such manipulation in order to get a car, when all I need from them is warranty service (which should be doable at any sane garage if they didn't DRM the hell out of the onboard computers).

      Yet, they wonder why the used market is flourishing..

    18. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      You can thank the sleazy politicians for that..

    19. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most neckbeards don't bother.. they're too busy with their hobbies to give fucks about fucking. I know they get shit for this, but considering the drama and stupidity of the primate behavior commonly found in those who do, it's a nice change.

    20. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by vandamme · · Score: 1

      I just bought a Hertz scratch & dent special, no haggle and pick it up where it's at. 1-1/2 year old for almost half price. In New York car age is figured in winters, not miles, and I'm retired so I got one with 41K miles.

      This after I spent 2 months going around to dealers & getting increasingly disgusted.

    21. Re:Finalize with a dealer, screw that by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Can anyone explain to a foreigner why is it such a pain to buy a car in the US?

      Because of history, really.

      A car dealership is supposed to be like a store for cars. You know, like you used to visit the grocery store for groceries, you go to the car dealership for cars. And this was how it was in the late 19th and early 20th century.

      Then what happened is the car manufacturers decide to try direct sales, which put a lot of dealerships out of business because they cut out the middleman. Since this put people out of work, politicians enacted laws preventing such sales as being predatory.

      Nowadays, those laws have been modified to ensure that dealerships MUST be involved in every new car transaction, given the relative power (dealerships are rich, and they have shoveled a lot of money at politicians.

      And in this modern era, well, you know. The following YouTube video really details the dirty details.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  2. Prime Eligible? by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    Is it prime eligible?

    1. Re:Prime Eligible? by skids · · Score: 1

      Better yet, can you use your gift card balance?

    2. Re:Prime Eligible? by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

      Or an Amazon Credit Card

    3. Re:Prime Eligible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why not? I just bought a 2016 Chevy for $22,000.00 and put it on my $30k limit 1% cash rebate Visa... and still got the cash rebate for it. Yes, I paid it off in full at the end of the month.

    4. Re:Prime Eligible? by skids · · Score: 1

      Heh. Or your mturk balance.

    5. Re:Prime Eligible? by praxis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So you paid the dealer 3% more for a car (surely they didn't eat the transaction fees but passed them along to you in the negotiation) so you could "save" 1% in cash back. Wow.

    6. Re: Prime Eligible? by LanceMcGrath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Easy. You just don't tell them that you're paying with card until the end. Negotiation 101 - they may be sleazy, but they're not geniuses, and it's not that hard to outthink them.

    7. Re: Prime Eligible? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what I did, after negotiating the price even lower. I paid nothing extra for using the credit card. The dealer was surprised, saying they rarely get customers paying one lump sum. I did all my research online beforehand and knew what I wanted, all that was left was a test drive and a few signatures.

    8. Re: Prime Eligible? by praxis · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you could have gotten a better deal than you negotiated then. If they agreed to those terms, you can be sure they would have sold you the car for 3% less if they didn't have to pay that transaction fee. I would not call that out-thinking them. They most certainly didn't sell you a car at a loss.

  3. will UPS deliver it in a box? by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    and i suppose i have to assemble it too?

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    1. Re:will UPS deliver it in a box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want mine delivered by a drone.

    2. Re:will UPS deliver it in a box? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Funny

      and i suppose i have to assemble it too?

      Yes, the car comes in flat packs. Over 5000 cam lock fasteners are included, along with a 500-page book of wordless picture instructions.

    3. Re:will UPS deliver it in a box? by John.Banister · · Score: 2

      I want mine to deliver itself. Until that can happen, I'll settle for picking up the key in the Amazon locker in front of my local grocery store. The person who delivers the car to the grocery store parking lot can catch a ride back to the city in the Amazon locker delivery vehicle.

    4. Re: will UPS deliver it in a box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But then it will have 0.1 or more miles put on it and instantly only 50% value.

  4. That's a great selection, actually by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    the 500, the Panda and the 500L

    That's two out of three vehicles worth buying from FCA, plus the 500L

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  5. May as well buy a fast acting hemlock! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because you gonna die in one of those!

  6. special offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A free fatal crushing is available with the special "star trek" edition

    1. Re:special offer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They sell you the car without brakes?

  7. How much is shipping and handling? by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    Inquiring minds (who can't be bothered to read the summary) want to know.

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    1. Re:How much is shipping and handling? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      You will have to pay the finder fee even it if's on the lot

  8. But when will Amazon make cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just not impressed with this news.

    1. Re:But when will Amazon make cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's BeauHD, what did you expect? Smart? Informed? Interesting?

      Not gonna happen.

    2. Re:But when will Amazon make cars? by edittard · · Score: 1

      I expected Â(TM). Left disappointed.

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    3. Re: But when will Amazon make cars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expected superficial, weak-minded Democrat ranting.

      I was not disappointed.

      Hillary for the Ground 2020!

  9. Re:Cars made in America? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    500 and Panda are Italian, not American. (and the Panda used to be made in Poland and quite a bit cheaper)

  10. So by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Funny

    what does the Ferengi Commerce Authority have to do with trade on Earth? Did the Grand Nagus buy Amazon? (That would explain a few things, mind)

  11. And I only wanted to buy a green car by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Expecting same in Northern Europe. Here to buy car you have to make "friends" with the car salesman, who will neglect all customers of wrong gender, age or what not. In the profession there may be a underlying assumption of brand loyalty -- as if cars were sports teams to be devoted for for eternity at age of three without any knowledge of why. So when you enter the car store, you've already made the most important decisions and what's left is sucking up the sales"man", who is the only obstacle in between you and the possession of a car. Except that you don't know the rules and he won't tell them.

    Conversation: I'd like to try that one out (for a MB A model, which I located from an ad).
      - Are you planning to buy it?
      - If the driving experience satisfies me, yes.
      - But you have to buy it [first].
      - [speechless]

  12. Whats old is new again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon started selling cars back in 2013

    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/09/26/1550251/big-box-nissan-note-the-first-ever-car-you-can-buy-on-amazon

  13. A match made in Hades by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company that became preeminent by exploiting their ability to undercut legitimate retail businesses by paying their human drones almost nothing, avoiding paying sales taxes for YEARS, (giving them an automatic nearly 10% discount/price advantage AND ripping off state, AND local municipal governments, reducing the availability of services to the very people buying shit from Amazon, ironically,) then used their wealth as a cudgel in the most fucked-up traditions of Microsoft... and would have failed and died over and over again if not for the loving care the government gave them in the form of lax or nonexistent regulations, letting them skirt all kinds of rules and laws to nurture their shiny new "online" business model, for no other reason than because it would be "cool" to have online retailing, directly contributing to the deaths of countless REAL, actual booksellers...

    Is teaming up with a car company that would have gone tits-up over and over and OVER without the government bailing them out, and propping them up, over and over and... over... and... over...

    What a lovely thing THAT partnership will be. Can't wait to see the pieces of defective shit THEY start leaving on people's doorsteps.

    It does make me wonder though. How DO you shove a car into mailbox?

  14. The UPS Guy is going to hate me. by Salo2112 · · Score: 2

    Jeeze, getting that package from the truck to the porch was hard. What's in the box? Lead? (actual conversation when I had bullets delivered)

  15. Should have been Tesla instead of Fiat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One click and the car drives itself to my house.

  16. The Grand Tour by Duds · · Score: 1

    And with that, suddenly the Grand Tour has a conflict of interest. Will they still be allowed to slag off Fiats?

    1. Re:The Grand Tour by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Well, episode one had a few digs at Fiat in it.

  17. How much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    do you want to bet that the first car they sell will be a cheap chinese knock-off?

  18. Japanese Cars by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Japanese Cars FTW https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/the-most-and-least-expensive-cars-to-maintain-by-maddy-martin