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Fidel Castro Is Dead (nytimes.com)

Striek quotes the New York Times: Fidel Castro, the fiery apostle of revolution who brought the Cold War to the Western Hemisphere in 1959 and then defied the United States for nearly half a century as Cuba's maximum leader, bedeviling 11 American presidents and briefly pushing the world to the brink of nuclear war, died Friday. He was 90. His death was announced by Cuban state television.

In declining health for several years, Mr. Castro had orchestrated what he hoped would be the continuation of his Communist revolution, stepping aside in 2006 when he was felled by a serious illness. He provisionally ceded much of his power to his younger brother Raul, now 85, and two years later formally resigned as president. Raul Castro, who had fought alongside Fidel Castro from the earliest days of the insurrection and remained minister of defense and his brother's closest confidant, has ruled Cuba since then, although he has told the Cuban people he intends to resign in 2018.

Kebertson shares an AP article which remembers a book proclaiming "Castro's Last Hour" -- in 1982. And Miamicanes jokes there'll be celebrations among Castro-haters in Miami, sharing a CNN article which notes that in the end, Castro "lived long enough to see a historic thaw in relations between Cuba and the United States."

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  1. Meh by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Fidel has been out of it for years. His death is no surprise and changes nothing.

    1. Re:Meh by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      Does Fidel's death end the agreement the US had with the Soviet Union not to take over Cuba?

    2. Re:Meh by tomhath · · Score: 2

      What is this "Soviet Union" of which you speak?

    3. Re:Meh by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      This. Castro had little to none political weight for years now - he was basically a t-shirt symbol by now.

  2. FAKE... by product_bucket · · Score: 1

    But consider for a moment, if it was fake.

  3. "Historic thaw"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Cuba's hostility against America is legendary. President Clinton removed Gitmo's landmines due to international pressure, but Castro kept his in place (they're still there as far as I know).

    The only reason Obama even attempted that was to create some sort of legacy for himself. I don't know if it'll work. It depends on what Trump does. I'll figure he'll be a better negotiator than Obama and actually achieve normalized relations on fair terms, but Obama will get the credit for the being the first one. Casto's death ought to help the situation, since they're less crazy than North Korea.

    1. Re:"Historic thaw"? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Cuba needs investment badly. Despite the obvious bad blood between the Castro's and the US, I get the impression Raul would rather that investment come in the form of greenbacks than renminbi.

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    2. Re:"Historic thaw"? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      Cubans need freedom far more than they need investment.

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    3. Re:"Historic thaw"? by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      I don't disagree, but if that was the intent of the embargo, it has been a stunning failure.

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    4. Re:"Historic thaw"? by drnb · · Score: 1

      Freedom worked so well in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria...

      Cubans have a western culture more compatible with democracy, like the other peoples of the region. You cite countries where the people often have a greater loyalty to local tribes.

    5. Re:"Historic thaw"? by arth1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cuba's hostility against America is legendary.

      From a non-US perspective, USA's hostility towards Cuba is far more legendary. While most of the world have had diplomatic relations, trade and travel to Cuba, USA has consistently refused. This is not due to Cuba not wanting any relations.

    6. Re:"Historic thaw"? by drnb · · Score: 1

      I don't disagree, but if that was the intent of the embargo, it has been a stunning failure.

      The embargo was a reaction to Fidel's involvement with the Kennedy assassination, that's the reason all Presidents until Obama maintained it. Perhaps now the truth can come out. ;-)

    7. Re:"Historic thaw"? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Cuba needs investment badly. Despite the obvious bad blood between the Castro's and the US, I get the impression Raul would rather that investment come in the form of greenbacks than renminbi.

      The United States is the only country that has sanctions against Cuba. Cuba is free to trade, and get investments from any other country, and indeed did from some European countries, like Spain. Issue is that w/ a communist economy, nothing was ever gonna improve. It still won't, not until Raul is dead and what's left of the Cuban Communist Party implodes

    8. Re:"Historic thaw"? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, Cuba is not infested w/ Islam, the way the other countries mentioned above were. Better comparison of Cuba is w/ similar Latin American countries, like Chile, Argentina and Nicaragua. Chile in particular is a fully functional democracy, and not a cauldron like Syria or Libya.

    9. Re:"Historic thaw"? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Well, Castro has survived 10 US presidents, who couldn't or didn't get rid of him. Trump gets elected, and before he even takes office, Comrade Fidel kicks the bucket. Just like in 1980, the day Reagan was elected, the Iranians released the hostages. In 2016, weeks after Trump is elected, Castro is dead!!!

      Trump is already a great success, and he didn't even get started on Cuba as yet

    10. Re:"Historic thaw"? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Good. So why is Cuba's economy still a basketcase, when it can easily get what it needs from any of the countries other than the US?

    11. Re:"Historic thaw"? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The rest of the world goes to Cuba for cheap vacations. They aren't hurting.

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    12. Re:"Historic thaw"? by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      They get around 2 Billion USD from that alone. No idea on health tourism.

    13. Re:"Historic thaw"? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 2

      President Clinton removed Gitmo's landmines due to international pressure, but Castro kept his in place (they're still there as far as I know).

      Seriously? It's easy for the world's biggest military that knows they won't be attacked to remove mines from another country. It's absurd that you would even dare to claim it's "hostility" for a small island nation to decline to lower its defenses against a superpower that has a large military force on Cuban land and has already tried to invade and has also made countless assassination attempts and tried to fund insurrections and done everything imaginably possible to harass you for 60 years... after basically owning and abusing your people for decades before that?

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    14. Re:"Historic thaw"? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      So "democracy" and "freedom" like the way the CIA freed central and south america throughout the 20th century. That was lovely and sure isn't having any lasting negative effects today.

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    15. Re:"Historic thaw"? by gravewax · · Score: 1

      riiiight, every country in the world that has a basketcase of an economy is because it doesn't trade with the US.

    16. Re:"Historic thaw"? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, if someone was in on trying to whack my mom or dad I think I wouldn't play with him any more either, regardless of how many other neighborhood kids did.

    17. Re:"Historic thaw"? by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand what he was saying.

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    18. Re:"Historic thaw"? by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      Cubans need freedom far more than they need investment.

      This. Any investment in a Communist dictatorship is a huge gamble that the dictator won't suddenly up and declare that your investment is Property of The People (i.e., him) and confiscate it. Cuba needs investment... but they're not going to get much as long as that Sword of Damocles hangs over anything invested there.

    19. Re:"Historic thaw"? by msi · · Score: 1

      The embargo was a reaction to Fidel's involvement with the Kennedy assassination, that's the reason all Presidents until Obama maintained it. Perhaps now the truth can come out. ;-)

      That's quite a claim as JFK was the president who signed the embargo into law

      President John F. Kennedy secured for himself 1,200 Cuban cigars just hours before enacting the Cuban trade embargo in 1962. Before signing the embargo, Kennedy requested his head of press, Pierre Salinger, to get him “1,000 Petit Upmanns.”

      Salinger first made the revelation to Cigar Aficiando magazine in 1992.

      Salinger recalled Kennedy summoning him into his office to see if he could provide "some help" in securing "a lot of cigars" by the following morning. In hindsight, it is evident that Kennedy wanted to stockpile the Cuban products before he banned their import.

      http://www.irishcentral.com/ro...

  4. Re: Castro dead by OzPeter · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you should educate yourself on his actions.

    As opposed to say .. Batista?

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  5. Re: Good riddance! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is fake news to distract people from the fact that Donald Trump offered Fidel Castro a job in his administration to piss off Ted Cruz. He will make for an excellent Fed chairman, propped in the corner with sunglasses on.

  6. Re:Party In Miami by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Cuba is still firmly in the Castro regimes hands, though Raul does seen somewhat more pragmatic than his big brother.

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  7. Re: Castro dead by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    As opposed to say .. Batista?

    Barista. Starbucks is hot in Cuba.

  8. Sat Nov 26 16:36:52 UTC 2016 by fsagx · · Score: 2

    Castro is still dead.

    1. Re:Sat Nov 26 16:36:52 UTC 2016 by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Castro is still dead.

      Stay vigilant; send periodic updates.

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    2. Re:Sat Nov 26 16:36:52 UTC 2016 by jlowery · · Score: 1

      I'd make a comment about how that SNL reference really dates you, but since I have a 5-digit user id I can't really talk.

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    3. Re:Sat Nov 26 16:36:52 UTC 2016 by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      I once bought a black-and-white television set, to keep in my dorm room, because of rumors that The Beatles were going to have a reunion appearance on SNL.

      And I have this clunky large UID on Slashdot.

    4. Re:Sat Nov 26 16:36:52 UTC 2016 by Nethead · · Score: 1

      I saw the Beatles live on a B&W TV Feb. 9th, 1964. By that I should have a negative UID.

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  9. an unpopular opinion. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    this isnt going to be a very popular opinion here, but the reason for the historic thaw is surprising. Typically the united states is content to hold trade embargos indefinitely against any nation that so much as thinks of challenging unfettered capitalism. The reason for this thaw is similar to the reason for the Iranian thaw. The US is losing geopolitical capital at an unprecedented rate early in the 21st century.

    central and south american leaders are no longer subscribing to the teachings or guidance of american politicians. instead theyre renationalizing their resources and divesting from markets typically dominated by american presence. Cuba was a last ditch effort by the state department to keep a foothold in trade agreements that are rapidly moving away from the dollar as their standard. Prior to this we had tried calling in our debts from socialist democracies, demonizing their policy in our media, and withholding world bank investment only to find these countries far more resilient and fungible than they were 35 years ago when we could routinely replace their leaders with a coup.

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    1. Re:an unpopular opinion. by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Noam chomsky's take on us vs cuba: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      He's having quite extreme viewpoints in some cases, but nevertheless he is very smart and often it is interesting to see things in a different light.

    2. Re:an unpopular opinion. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      You're a loon. There isn't a nation on earth that has unfettered capitalism; there are only varying degrees of abuse and theft by government. Until 8 years ago, the US had a history of opposing those nasty dictatorships that did the most damage to US interests.

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    3. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1, Informative

      Noam Chomsky always seems to blame America for everything. Once you understand that this is his bias, they you understand why he says what he says. He is an excellent researcher in linguistics, but he outside that he survives on sophistry and pandering to people who also like to blame America for everything (this blaming the West for everything it has done or not done is called Cultural Marxist 'Critical Theory', and most people don't understand how the very widespread pushing of Critical Theory's memes from many sources has convinced many others to also think in these terms - which is not objective at all).

    4. Re:an unpopular opinion. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It was never going to last, in the 20th century the US got it all laid out on a silver platter... the "Old World" fucked itself royally with two huge wars, the Soviet Union and China was stuck in a communist plan economy, many countries were colonies or stuck in old structures like caste systems or authoritarian structures or broken education systems and so on. It was not only that America had many opportunities but that other countries had few. Today I think most people feel there are opportunities at home and it's not like Americans are born smarter than other people, if other countries are achieving more of their potential the gap will narrow.

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    5. Re:an unpopular opinion. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      But is Chomsky even an excellent researcher in Linguistics, or has he already done his best work? Decades ago, actually.

    6. Re:an unpopular opinion. by Lisandro · · Score: 1

      As a South American (Argentinian) i cannot but disagree.

    7. Re:an unpopular opinion. by mvdwege · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Noam Chomsky always seems to blame America for everything

      Well, he seems to take the, to me, logical point of view that as a US citizen it behooves him to critcise his own government first.

      Cultural Marxist

      Oh. Never mind. Logic is wasted on you. Carry on then.

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    8. Re: an unpopular opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An excellent researcher? You're not really sure who Chomsky is, are you?

    9. Re:an unpopular opinion. by whodunit · · Score: 1

      I remember being told the dollar was a dead letter ten years ago, when the euro was going strong. So much for that. Call me back in ten years.

    10. Re:an unpopular opinion. by danieldids · · Score: 1

      My dear slashdoter, I would like your opinion to be true. I'm from Brazil, and we've just had a coup against president Dilma some months ago. Argentina has now a liberal president. Venezuela is walking into a bad path. More and more we se Trumps popping aroung in south america, and it really looks like US is comming again, as if to regain power in face of China and Russia growing in importance. And just as the new president (Michel Temer) rised to to power, he have open national oil reserves to all kinds of big companies (from US). He's trying to privatize more public companies, making education and health (public) services worse by taking money out from then, using as an excuse the lack of public funds to pay for it, but at the same time raising the salaries of high position politics and judges - so he can grant his position in face of public uprise against those policies. FIdel's death was commented on most big tv news, and he was depicted mostly as a dictator and bad guy. This goes well with the agenda we are seeing here, whre communism and marxism are intrinsically said to be bad for democracy (or whatever), the left wing is being demonized and linked with concepts that don't even make sense because the left party which raised to power in 2002 was not that left after getting the presidential chair. Freedom is being taking from individuals all around the world in a steady pace. For the sake of all this argument, see Naomi Klein and her's Shock Doctrine. It's available on youtube. And now there is a coup inside the coup being started. All around the world I feel this movement of great players taking their positions to begin a new cold war.

    11. Re:an unpopular opinion. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Noam Chomsky always seems to blames the US government for the bad things the US government has done of which there are many, many, many, well, don't want to write that too many times, things they have done wrong. The common saying for the US government, they always get it right, after they have found every possible way of doing it wrong. The failure is driven by US corporations using influence to drive solutions whose only purpose is to favour their profits, even when competing corporations force competing actions to be take, that undo each others efforts. Don't want the US government looking like a bunch of fuck ups with endless PR=B$ flowing around to try to cover it up, then get rid of the god damn corrupt useless corporate influence on it's actions don't just bullshit about it and hope the problems will automagically solve themselves in spite of US government actions.

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    12. Re:an unpopular opinion. by jandersen · · Score: 1

      ...Cultural Marxist 'Critical Theory',...

      I guess what you mean is something like "I don't know what Marxism is, and I don't want to know because it's evil, evil, EEEEEVIILLL!!!", am I right?

      To everybody else, Marxism is a theory in economy; one of the things that distinguish it is the fact that it doesn't make unrealistic assumptions about resources being infinite or the effects of financial mechanisms being instantaneous, among other things, like many modern theories do. Marxist economic theory has seen a bit of a renaissance in the last decade - it is no longer dismissed out of hand. This doesn't mean that we are now headed for an era of stone cold Statlinism (after all, Stalin didn't know or understand (or care) all that much about Marx's theories) - it just means that we're seeing the many, fundamental problems in the theories underwriting modern consumerist capitalism.

    13. Re:an unpopular opinion. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      this isnt going to be a very popular opinion here, but the reason for the historic thaw is surprising. Typically the united states is content to hold trade embargos indefinitely against any nation that so much as thinks of challenging unfettered capitalism.

      Actually I'd say the US will hold indefinite embargo against any nation who has defied or disobeyed them. The US supported Batista over the communists in Cuba, the US supported the Shah over the Islamist's in Iran. There are a lot of bad things you can say about the Theocratic despotism that is the Iranian government... but they're far from socialist.

      Conversely the US maintains a lot of trade with nations that are significantly more socialist than Iran... Like Sweden or Norway.

      Whilst I've got no particular love for Iran, Cuba or the DPRK, the embargoes are based on "You've pissed us off in the past and we're not going to get over it" rather than any economic rationalisation.

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    14. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Cultural Marxism is not the same as Economic Marxism. Perhaps you could use Google to do some research and discover The Matrix you are living in. You cannot see it yet.

    15. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Cultural Marxism is not the same as Economic Marxism. Please use Google to find the difference.

    16. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Thanks for repeating the Marxist talking points that are now prevalent throughout the West. Yes, the US has acted roughly to counter the Soviet actions. But no, Ernesto "Che" Guevara did not fight to end poverty, he fought because he was a psychopath who loved torture and murder. Fidel Castro was a fraud whose sex-drive was so strong it made him seek power so he could get all the women he wanted (women respond to fame and power). Everything else is a cover story for gullible fools who don't know the truth.

      Fidel Castro had his own private island, a luxury yacht, $88 million stolen from the Cuban people, and a harem of mistresses. But he told you that he lived on $25 dollars a day and you believed him:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      Che Guevara had his office sited so he could watch executions because he was a psychopath. He didn't join the Communist Socialists to advance the 'Revolution', he joined as it gave him a license to murder the people he was claiming to be helping.
      The Truth about Che Guevara
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      The Truth about Fidel Castro
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Does it never occur to you that perhaps it is you who doesn't know the TRUE history of these evil people? that perhaps you only know the widely-disseminated disinformation and propaganda of the Marxist-sympathizing mainstream media and actually believe the Marxist's false narratives - which fools you into advancing their evil agenda, which is not about helping people, it is about CONTROL by the 'elites' (sociopathic Collectivist leadership).

      I hope you take time to learn the truth. That way you can start to see through the lies you've been told your whole life.

    17. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Please learn about 'Cultural Marxist Critical Theory'. At the moment you are still in The Matrix. You are controlled. Oh yes, they tell you that you 'think differently', but you do not. You think exactly as you have been indoctrinated to. Learn about the reality of the last century, learn about 'Cultural Marxist Critical Theory'. Until you do, you work against your own self interest. You work for THEM, and they don't care a whit about you.

    18. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Are you a voluntary socialist or an involuntary socialist? I'm guessing the latter, so it means you are for using State power to conduct economic rape, right?

      Voluntary charity is moral. Have you ever heard of it? have you ever practiced it? this is what the "sub-Breitbart" folks advocate,.
      Involuntary socialism is using State force to economically rape the industrious and innovative to give to the politically favored as vote bribes so the self-selecting sociopaths of the political 'elite'c an gain and retain power. This evil and immoral system is what you are for, right ?

      'Cultural Marxism' is an easy shibboleth: it invariably indicates someone with a sub-Breitbart level of political sophistication. Also known as 'an idiot'.

      "Cultural Marxism" is a useful label to describe the deliberate subversion of Individual Liberty and the Free Market of voluntary exchange by retards who advocate economic rape - because they are too lazy and too greedy to generate the surplus required for voluntary charity - and too dumb to see how they are easily manipulated by the politically ambitious sociopaths with mere words.

      I'm a Socialist.

      Therefore you are evil and the enemy of every Free Person on the planet who believes in Individual Liberty where the individual should decide on their own affairs - not sanctimonious, indoctrinated, suib-par intellects like you.

      You are the Galactic Empire, prepared to use State force to crush dissenting opinion (look at you initiate ad hominems at millions of stranger just now). We are the Rebel Alliance who seek to preserve Individual Liberty from predators like you. The lazy, stupid economic rapists of the World. You are on the wrong side of history and clinging to failed ideas promoted by evil control freak collectivist elites. Your movement is dying as hundreds of millions around the globe utterly reject rule by stupid, vain and quite frankly immoral control freaks like you.

      Stop preaching about virtue with your virtue signalling about the economic rape and removal of Individual Liberty others and practice virtue YOURSELF. Sell your stuff to charity if you believe in 'socialism', and stop pointing guns at everyone else to take their stuff - all because you are a douchebag who wants to feel good about yourself without actually having to work hard so you have surplus to VOLUNTARILY donate to others. Sheeesh.

    19. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Chomsky was great at linguistics. Thanks to the Dunning-Kruger Effect he cannot see the fundamental areas he mistakes he makes in areas outside his area of expertise. However, since he is articulate, and his audience often lacks great experience (eg. university students who lack decades of experience in the Real World), he persuades many that his bad ideas are god for them.

    20. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Well, he seems to take the, to me, logical point of view that as a US citizen it behooves him to critcise his own government first.

      No, he should criticize bad ideas wherever they occur. It is logical to prioritize from greatest threat to least. The US has some fantastically bad ideas, but it is not alone in this. Chomsky's real problem is he is so focused on criticizing the US that he forgets that there are systems outside the US that are vastly worse. Hence, his valid but unbalanced criticism of the US is used by people who are worse to advance their terrible systems around the globe. That makes Chomsky a fool, and the people who don't understand this, or of the severe limits on his expertise (go and look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect, Chomsky is one of the worst examples of it) idiots.

      Oh. Never mind. Logic is wasted on you. Carry on then.

      I have a PhD in Physics. Because I try and use the Scientific Method extensively I would wager I respond to logic and *evidence* much better than you. The problem is, you have not provided any logical argument. And the evidence against socialism and Chomsky's idiotic positions are overwhelming - there are hundreds of millions of citizens slaughtered in peacetime by socialists in dozens of countries in the last century. Where socialism has not yet slaughtered its citizens it has instead corrupted the heritage of its societies, put their countries on demographic death spirals, frivolously spent the accumulated wealth of generations and enslaved the unborn in debt racked up for entitlement vote bribes.

      The empirical evidence is in, socialism is harmful to individuals, social cohesion, economies, future generations, and individual liberty. Despite the manifest failures of socialism the socialists do not learn from their mistakes and always want to try new victim countries to pillage. Socialists are also intellectually dead and have had no new ideas for DECADES.

      So I've taken the empirical route and used evidence-based reasoning to inexorable conclusion - socialism doesn't work because it cannot work. That does not stop clueless zealots from banging on about it though. Borg drones who think virtue signalling about 'helping people' when socialism is about State power (rule by the 'elites') which actively harms the people socialism is inflicted on. Rather than actually help people by practicing charity themselves they noisily rant about using the State to point guns at people who worked for a living and saved. of course, the socialists think they'll be the ones receiving the stolen goods and the ones pointing the guns. Despite them being greedy with the lust for the wealth others earned they call anyone who resists this tyrannous theft as 'greedy'. What evil and hypocritical people socialists are.

      Here's an experiment that has been performed twice. Destroy a country in a war. Utterly level the place. Then split the country in two and make one part of the country Free Market (or the Statist approximation thereof) and one part Socialist. Its the same environment, same people, same starting point. Then see which system is better. The system you are advocating for produced East Germany and North Korea. The system I'm advocating for produced West Germany and South Korea. Only idiots like you want to take North American and turn it in to North Korea where the 'elites' rule - since your are attacking Individual Liberty and the Free Market of voluntary exchange (which is always 'win-win' as either party can walk away if they don't think the exchange benefits them).

      So keep pushing your evil and failed collectivist ideology. The rest of the World are already voting to leave your madness behind. Free and sovereign UK/Brexit, Trump, and soon a Free Europe of sovereign states which will boot the parasitic collectivists out.

      You are on the wrong side of history. You don't have to be a chump and worship the State your whole life - because the elites don't give a dam

    21. Re:an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Actually i think the problem is the same but the solution is achieved in the reverse order. The corporations only bother to bribe the politicians because the politicians have too much power and take too much tax. If an actual Limited Government is installed, as was intended, and it restricts itself to ensuring there is competition and NOT handing out tax money to the biggest donors then the problem will solve itself automagically. Note: the government uses corporations as scapegoats for its own corruption and failures.

      If you attack the corporations without decreasing the power of the Government all you get is more Government (socialism/fascism/communism). But if you limit the Government FIRST then the corporations can't use government power and can't pillage tax dollars when a small government is not collecting them. In short, the Government should shrink to 'fit in the box it came in'. No more $4 Trillion dollar expenditures to fund the vote-bribe system the government runs (and the corporations exploit).

      Don;t be fooled into attacking the scapegoat,. The corporations do not make the laws and they don't have the power to force you to do anything - all exchanges with them are voluntary. It is the Government that makes all the laws and they can force you into involuntary transactions such as when they point guns at you to take a portion of your earnings (which they then spent on whatever they want; vote bribes, wars, corporate welfare, propaganda and most of all, themselves).

      Shrink the power and pillaging of the government and the corporates have no use in bribing them and must COMPETE in the Free Market instead of CORRUPT using government cronyism. But if you shrink the corporates and leave the government then the government will grow to take over areas vacated by the corporates, and you end up with the economic system known as 'Fascism' - and that is even worse.

    22. Re: an unpopular opinion. by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Dear God, the crazy is strong in this one.

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    23. Re: an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      This is not an argument. Of course you do this because you cannot refute my points and the cognitive dissonance is kicking in - the facts I have presented are conflicting with your indoctrination. So far, the indoctrination is winning. It is you that is insane, defending an utterly failed system that has slaughtered hundreds of millions of innocents. Inside you is a totalitarian screaming to get - I bet you fantasize about the socialist nightmare you wish to create. Hence you call people criticizing statist collectivism and its evils "crazy". That makes you very, very dangerous to Free People and Free Society. Mass murder is only committed by with the sanction of political enttiies, usually their own socialist governments that are full of hateful misanthropes like you. Look in the mirror before it is too late.

    24. Re: an unpopular opinion. by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      This is not an argument.

      Of course it isn't. Your posts are so drenched in the signs of stupidity that arguments would be wasted.

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    25. Re: an unpopular opinion. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Still not an argument. Look, I've pointed out that various flavors of socialism have slaughtered over 100 million citizens in peacetime and is rapidly destroying the First World (Europe and USA are being economically and demogrpahically destroyed by socialist policies), created North Korea and dozens of other hellholes, will turn Sweden into a Third World country by 2030 according to the UN, and socialist economics have turned oil-rich Venezuela into a country so close to starvation that people are hunting and eating their pets.

      It is you that is literally insane. You cling to your ludicrous utopianism despite the mountains of historical evidence and dead bodies. And your indoctrination leads you to HATE everyone who does you the favor of pointing out the truth. You are Borg Drone that is extremely dangerous to Free People. You are the enemy.

      Wake the fsck up, fool.

    26. Re:an unpopular opinion. by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      socialism is about State power

      See, and here is where you prove you're an idiot. Go read some Proudhon, or Bakunin, or Kropotkin, or if you want to stay in the US, Goldman.

      There is a whole lot more to Socialism than just Marxism-Leninism. But of course, you being an idiot with the political sophistication of an invertebrate wouldn't know any of that. You, a PhD? From what diploma mill did you buy that, moron?

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  10. Has it been confirmed? by trailerparkcassanova · · Score: 1

    I'll believe it when Netcraft confirms it.

  11. Re: Good riddance! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    Just be sure not to play music around him.

    Too late. The Rolling Stones already performed in Cuba earlier this year.

    http://www.rollingstone.com/music/live-reviews/rolling-stones-thrill-huge-crowd-at-historic-havana-show-20160326

  12. Re:Good riddance! by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    Fidel Castro body count: 100,000.

  13. Re: Castro dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most people are unaware of the US involvement in pre-Castro Cuba, and would be shocked if they did a little research.

    Castro and communism are not my choices for leaders or economic systems, but the US is responsible for overthrowing lots of governments around the world, then acting shocked when a dictator or religious zealot steps in.

    Hopefully Trump won't renew the economic oppression of the Cuban people. We have behaved shamefully.

  14. Resistance by snookiex · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can say anything about Fidel, but he was a tough guy. Cuba resisted bravely (if you allow me to use the term) to an enemy way bigger and more powerful for many years. Curiously, the end of the Castro era could have arrived long before if the past presidents would have used the Obama approach: Embrace, extend and extinguish. Personally, I think he chose a wrong path and became the perfect example of why communist social structures are not sustainable. "Join together to share the lack of wealth", to use Stallman's words, simply goes against human nature. RIP, anyway.

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    1. Re:Resistance by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      "Poverty is not socialism. To become wealthy is honourable." --Deng Xiaoping

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    2. Re:Resistance by NewYork · · Score: 1

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  15. I'm skeptical ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... until I see it on Fox News (sic).

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  16. Re: Good riddance! by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    In other news, Francisco Franco is still dead.

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  17. "Fidel Castro" ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... comes to us from the Greeks (ca. bay of pigs) and is a concatenated corruption of the form, "infidel castration," and generally refers to a paynim in the ass with no balls.

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  18. Re:Bring back oppressing the poor by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    Of course Batista was bad. Castro was worse; under Castro people risked likely death to escape.

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  19. Dies on Black Friday by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The most capitalist day of the year.

    1. Re:Dies on Black Friday by skapunker21 · · Score: 2

      . All because he shoved the "Affordable Health Care" act through with Zero compromise. An Ultra Left agenda that swung Congress heavily right ending his power.

      So you think the ACA was and ultra left agenda shoved through with zero compromise. You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

    2. Re:Dies on Black Friday by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      I recently visited Chengdu, China. In the center of the town square is a monster statue of Mao.

      Literally underneath him, in the last few years they have built an underground shopping center.

  20. Re: Castro dead by ilguido · · Score: 4, Informative

    If a war torn banana republic is beating you that badly on growth, there is something seriously wrong with your economic policy.

    Let me guess... an embargo?
    That aside get your statistics right: Cuba GDP per capita is up 250% since 1970 and Honduras GDP per capita is up 230% in the same period and still half of the Cuban GDP per capita, life expectancy in Honduras is 73 years, in Cuba 79 (higher than USA by the way). Sen. Joseph McCarthy legacy still lives on.

  21. Re: Castro dead by bestweasel · · Score: 1

    What finished Castro off was a nightmare he had of dozens of gold-plated high rise Trump casinos looming over Cuba's beaches.

  22. Obligatory SNL Quote: by Hartree · · Score: 1

    "In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead."

  23. Re: Castro dead by Freischutz · · Score: 1

    If you actually do think Castro was good for Cuba, you are sadly ignorant.

    Don't put words in his mouth, he actually said the exact opposite: "Castro and communism are not my choices for leaders or economic systems..."

    Batista's Cuba was famous for literacy and doctors per capita...

    Cuba has a literacy rate of 99,7% and it would appear that despite the best efforts of the US, the Cuban govt, has managed to maintain a pretty good healthcare system: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... Much like the AC you are maligning I don't think much of communism but if you want to dump on the Castro regime at least pick something to complain about that they managed to mess up and not two things they actually seem to have managed to get right.

    Maybe you are one of the who thinks Che Guevara was heroic and cannot see the irony of selling t-shirts with his picture.

    First you put words in his mouth, now you are projecting thoughts into his mind.

  24. Re:Party In Miami by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    Yep

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  25. Thanks Obama by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Troll

    it's actually more to do with Obama, the Democrats and how our presidential elections work.

    Cuban immigrants were a big part of winning Florida for the Republicans. They're why we've maintained the embargo. Anyone politician who tried was dead in the water on a national stage.

    That said time passed, those immigrants died and their kids didn't listen much to granddad's story and Obama formed a big anti-Bush jr coalition to put him in the Whitehouse.

    That left us open to normalizing relations. Businesses have wanted this for years but politics made it impossible. So at this point it's got more to do with the dems free trade policies and general progressivism than anything else. That and marginalizing the remaining anti-Castro voters left in Florida.

    So yeah, we embargoed a country for 30+ years because their refugees settled in a populous swing state. Take those same people and drop them off in TX and things would be completely different. Man, our politics are a mess. And don't get me started on Israel...

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  26. Reagan didn't need guns to people's heads by drnb · · Score: 1

    Cuba is still communist while tricle down economics has been discredited. People die . Its if their ideas live on is what matters.

    Fidel's ideas only live on under the gun's of his government. Reagan didn't need to hold guns to people's heads. When the Cuban government's guns are put aside we'll learn the people's true opinion of Fidel.

    1. Re:Reagan didn't need guns to people's heads by dywolf · · Score: 1

      this shows a marked lack of knowledge of Cuba, Castro, the background history of both, and Reagan.

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  27. Khrushchev thought Fidel insane by drnb · · Score: 1

    Khrushchev would agree with you. If he or his dream were still alive.

    And Khrushchev was the sane one of the two. Part of the reason he withdrew missiles from Cuba was that he thought Fidel was f'n crazy, willing to let Cuba suffer nuclear strikes if it would advance global communism.

  28. Re:Bring back oppressing the poor by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Of course Batista was bad. Castro was worse; under Castro people risked likely death to escape.

    It wasn't so much escaping Cuba as wanting riches. Pretty much everyone wanted to go to USA, even though there were other countries they could travel to if escape had been the reason.

  29. Fidel - The little bully sidekick by drnb · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You can say anything about Fidel, but he was a tough guy. Cuba resisted bravely ...

    Fidel was the little bully sidekick talking sh*t, sucking up to, the real tough bully, the Soviets. He was a useful idiot, nothing more. Once the Cuban people are allowed a voice he will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    1. Re:Fidel - The little bully sidekick by snookiex · · Score: 1

      Soviets died in 1989 (if not before). Many other third world satellites were really dependent on the URSS and were assimilated by someone else shortly after the fall of the wall. Cuba managed to survive even being a few kilometers away from the US. Fidel has a place in History (not precisely in the dustbin) you like it or not.

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    2. Re:Fidel - The little bully sidekick by amiga3D · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He was a brutal dictator who murdered tens of thousands of his own people. The fact that Batista was a monster too hardly absolves him from the guilt of his murder and torture of his own people. To see people try to excuse this monster is incredible. Seldom do I truly rejoice in the death of another human being but it's hard not to feel good about Castro's demise.

    3. Re:Fidel - The little bully sidekick by snookiex · · Score: 1

      I read like 5 times what I wrote and I fail to see where am I defending his actions. I just saying that he's got a place in history, just like Hitler, Gandhi or the Homo Neanderthalensis. History is not a garden of unicorns, you know.

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    4. Re:Fidel - The little bully sidekick by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Oh he has a place I guess, like Franco. A bit player. You know I was surprised by a young coworker of mine about 7 months or so ago something came up about Castro and I mentioned it to him. He literally had no idea who Castro was. He could tell you every Heisman candidate any year but Castro he'd never heard of. I went around and did kind of a quick Leno style quiz and found that of the under 30 crowd at work maybe half had heard of Castro and most of them only had a vague idea who he was. I was pretty shocked. I wonder how much of that history they teach in school nowadays.

    5. Re:Fidel - The little bully sidekick by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      He outpaced Batista in the brutality contest. His opposition of US interests in Angola would have been wonderful except really there were no good guys in that civil war. The MPLA commited horrible attrocities although they were not alone in that. It was a hideous civil war that was made worse by foreign involvement of the US and Soviet Union and their proxies. So Castro became a worse tyrant than Batista and was used as a proxy to make a bloody civil war even bloodier. Yes, he was no more than a proxy for the USSR in a backwater action in the cold war between super powers. A bit player.

    6. Re:Fidel - The little bully sidekick by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Hitler became what the allies forced him to be. See how that works? Evil is as evil does. He didn't have to torture and murder his own people. He made Batista look like a sweetheart.

  30. Soviet subsidies paid for Cuban progress by drnb · · Score: 1

    Economic growth is not everything.

    It is if you have to pay for your hospitals, schools, etc. Once the Soviet subsidies ended the Cuban "progress" started to fall apart.

  31. Re: Castro dead by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Communists don't have Hell. Castro is burning in Venezuela.

  32. Re: Castro dead by ilguido · · Score: 4, Informative

    Batista's Cuba was famous for literacy and doctors per capita, compared to the rest of Latin America, so Castro's improvements were pretty small

    Life expectancy in Batista's Cuba was far lower than in the USA at the time, in Castro's Cuba it is higher. Literacy in Batista's Cuba was estimated between 60% and 76% (because there is no data for the neglect countryside), taking the highest esteem it was the fourth highest in Latin America at the time, today it is 99.7% according to Unesco data, highest in Latin America.
    Try harder.

  33. Re:Party In Miami by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Some might do it once Cuba becomes a democracy. It hasn't - Raul Castro has been running Cuba, and ain't going anywhere until he too joins his comrades Fidel and Che up there

  34. Pushed into comunism by Alomex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When Castro first came to power, he was inspired by the Mexican revolution of 1910-1920 who did not turn communist. Moreover the Cuban Communist Party had denounced Castro's revolution as pro-Western. He was pushed into the USSR sphere of influence by the aggressive CIA-led actions.

    Then the embargo provided the biggest excuse ever for Castro and his dictatorship. He could always blame his failed economic policies on the USA led embargo.

    1. Re:Pushed into comunism by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      There really is enough evidence to cast at least doubt on that theory. The more accepted wisdom is that he did harbour strong Marxist sympathies and that the US opposition to his revolution was a good excuse to implement Marxist policies.

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    2. Re:Pushed into comunism by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, we're in the realm of alternate histories here. But just from a power politics standpoint Castro would have been forced to side with the Soviets no matter what his true principles were, or indeed if he had no sincere principles whatsoever. The Soviets were friendly and the Americans were hostile. American business interests preferred his genuinely odious predecessor Fulgencio Batista, who could be bought by anyone with sufficient money, even the Mafia.

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    3. Re:Pushed into comunism by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Not initially. Later on he did fully embrace communism, but the internal debates with Che (who was always fully pro-communist) are well known. As someone else pointed out, Ho Chi Minh is another example of someone who was pushed into communism by CIA actions.

      Sorry that this doesn't match your simplistic conception of the world.

    4. Re:Pushed into comunism by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      I have some sympathy for Fidel because at least he wasn't Batista. But the narrative that makes him a mere plaything of forces beyond his control, as in 'he only turned communist because he got forced' does not square with my impression of a forceful man who was willing to do without support if need be for his cause.

      Whatever you say of Fidel, character he didn't lack.

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    5. Re:Pushed into comunism by hey! · · Score: 1

      Of course, but that's not the narrative I'm pushing.

      I look at things from a game theoretical position here; we played a strategy which, short of armed invasion and occupation, was certain defeat -- at least if fighting a communist toe-hold in the Caribbean was our goal. It may be the way things worked out suited Fidel perfectly, but if so we made it easy for him.

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    6. Re:Pushed into comunism by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      I wasn't referring to just you, but to OP in this thread too. It seems we agree quite a bit.

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  35. Re: Castro dead by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Maybe you are one of the who thinks Che Guevara was heroic and cannot see the irony of selling t-shirts with his picture.

    Che was a serial killer. There are ironic t-shirts with Charles Manson's picture on them, too.

  36. Re:End of 2016 has been great by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    It's all good! I'm loving it! I watched all the crying faces at Hilliary's campaign HQ on election night. I kept playing it again and again on my DVR. It warmed the cockles of my heart.

  37. Re: Castro dead by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    What does McCarthyism have to do with any of this? The people practicing McCarthyism in most recent history were the hysterical 'Hillary is being hacked by Russia' fanatics.

    And anyways, McCarthy was an opportunist and unethical, but he made use of a legitimate issue to establish himself. The Russians WERE infiltrating the US government in the period when he was ranting. It was very well documented shortly after the USSR fell, during a short period when the KGB archives were accessable.

  38. Burning in Hell next to Hitler, Mao and Stalin by schwit1 · · Score: 1, Troll
    If this were a just world, 13 facts would be etched on Castro's tombstone and highlighted in every obituary, as bullet points - a fitting metaphor for someone who used firing squads to murder thousands of his own people.
    • He turned Cuba into a colony of the Soviet Union and nearly caused a nuclear holocaust.
    • He sponsored terrorism wherever he could and allied himself with many of the worst dictators on earth.
    • He was responsible for so many thousands of executions and disappearances in Cuba that a precise number is hard to reckon.
    • He brooked no dissent and built concentration camps and prisons at an unprecedented rate, filling them to capacity, incarcerating a higher percentage of his own people than most other modern dictators, including Stalin.
    • He condoned and encouraged torture and extrajudicial killings.
    • He forced nearly 20 percent of his people into exile, and prompted thousands to meet their deaths at sea, unseen and uncounted, while fleeing from him in crude vessels.
    • He claimed all property for himself and his henchmen, strangled food production and impoverished the vast majority of his people.
    • He outlawed private enterprise and labor unions, wiped out Cuba's large middle class and turned Cubans into slaves of the state.
    • He persecuted gay people and tried to eradicate religion.
    1. Re:Burning in Hell next to Hitler, Mao and Stalin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree, but you need to cite the editorial you copy and pasted from.

    2. Re:Burning in Hell next to Hitler, Mao and Stalin by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

      This actually is a just world.
      You just have to wait until it's all over to learn the final outcome.

      I'm sure it'll be somewhat different than you're expecting.

      Just wait
      you'll see

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    3. Re:Burning in Hell next to Hitler, Mao and Stalin by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      tried to eradicate religion.

      So he had one redeeming quality then.

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  39. Re: Castro dead by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Specifically, Castro's hell is in a supermarket in Venezuela. They've given him a can-opener, but there are no canned goods at all on the shelf.

  40. Re:Bring back oppressing the poor by Altrag · · Score: 1

    What other countries? They certainly weren't making it to Europe in their little rowboats or whatever they could find to escape on.

    That leaves a bunch of tiny islands, many under US control anyway and those that aren't were in just as bad a shape as Cuba throughout much of the cold war era. Mexico, which might be a great tourist trap but not really where most people think of when they want to start a new life of dreams and unicorns. Or Florida.

    Not to mention Florida is also the closest of all of those to Havana so in addition to saving time on the water, there'd be significantly less travel time on land as well for most of the escapees, which would have had plenty of its own pitfalls (mostly in the form of being caught in the act.)

    Though that said, I'd be less than shocked if I found out that a bunch of Cubans had also escaped to Cancun. And I'm sure some did flee to Jamaica and Haiti and whatnot, though that would have been more difficult with Guantanamo (and US military presence) right there in addition to dodging the Cuban military.

  41. Re: Castro dead by Lisandro · · Score: 1

    I've been to Cuba, and i wouldn't want to ever have to visit a hospital there.

  42. Re:Bring back oppressing the poor by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Even before Cuba lifted its exit visa requirements a few years ago, it was not hard to get an exit visum to nearby countries, after which they could board planes and boats, not rafts. A very easy "escape" if that had been what they wanted.
    Almost all the Cubans in Florida are economic refugees, running to a place more than from.

  43. Re: Good riddance! by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    97,000 killed, backed up with substantiated reports and independent sources.You can choose to ignore it, but it's pretty well established data.

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  44. Re: Good riddance! by mspohr · · Score: 1

    I thought that now that Trump and Putin are best bros that commies are no longer the bad guys.

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  45. Re: Good riddance! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Nothing on netcraft...

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  46. Re: Good riddance! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    In other news, Francisco Franco is still dead.

    I just checked on this and it is true!
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  47. Re:Old News (As opposed to fake news) by wasted · · Score: 1

    You must be new here.

    That user does not exist

  48. Re:Good riddance! by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

    Let's not forget the "good guys" from the UK and the USA overthrew Iran's democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddegh back in 1953.

  49. Re: Good riddance! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whoa whoa whoa there cowboy.

    'IF' these numbers are to be believed....

    77,833 of that number are attributed to drownings of Cubans attempting to raft to the US. I don't care what kind of leader he may or may not have been, you can't count these as his body count. It's not even a real number, it's an 'estimated' number, based on US coast guard reports. There's very little facts involved here. Cuba is only 90 miles from the cost of Florida. 90 MILES! It's so close that anyone with dreams of living "the American Dream" will take a chance on it. So there goes 80% of your argument right there.

    2199 death in prison. From 1959 - 2005. 2,199 prison deaths over 46 years. The US had over 4300 deaths in local jails and state prisons IN 2012 ALONE! (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/mljsp0012st.pdf) Given the amount of racial violence in the US, It's really hard to begrudge this number to Cuba. There's no break down of how many of those 2199 were attributed to Fidel directly, and how many were due to prison violence, guard grudges, or just plain health problems. Without substantiated breakdowns, there's no way to know.

    1,203 deaths from Extrajudicial assassinations. That's a fair number. Blame it on Fidel. Or maybe other countries just haven't been called out on it. Maybe this is actually low by comparison?
    5,640 deaths from Firing squad executions. That's a fair number too. But don't forget, it was revolution. Fidel overthrew a dictator (put in place by the US btw). Nothing about a revolution is clean. People from the other side are going to be executed. Do I need to dig up number on the lives lost during the American revolution? Oh, and did I mention it was 46 years? There's NO break down on whether those deaths happened during, immediately after, or over the course of those 46 years.

    But go on, keep waiving 97,000 around like it means something. What ever lets you sleep at night.

  50. Re:Party In Miami by fnj · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, there are plenty more evil bastards to take over when Raul kicks the bucket or retires.

  51. Re:End of 2016 has been great by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Actually my life is starting to look up. I eagerly look forward to a Trump presidency to Make America Great Again!

  52. Re: Castro dead by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    99.7, such a believable (and unverifiable) number. I'd like to know who dreamed it up and how they justified it. Was it people who recognized the alphabet?

    Any post relying on such a dubious statistic is suspect right off the bat.

  53. Re: Castro dead by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    Another echo of the dubious 99.7. It shouldn't take 2 seconds to realize what nonsense that is. Did you also believe the reports of Fidel's popularity?

  54. Re: Castro dead by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    The Che fanbois are not ironic, they think he was a hero. You are just as naive if you don't recognize the difference.

  55. Irony: the icon of Cuban Communism died on Black F by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    Proving that ${deity} truly has a sense of humor, Fidel Castro -- icon and architect of Cuban Communism -- died on Black Friday... a/k/a "Adam Smith Day" -- the day Americans gather in our grand cathedrals of commerce and celebrate capitalism by shopping like there's no tomorrow.

  56. Re: Castro dead by whodunit · · Score: 1

    Because a communist dictatorship's own self-surveys are 100% trustworthy!

  57. Re:Bring back oppressing the poor by arth1 · · Score: 1

    Which would be different from moving to the US how, exactly?

  58. Re: literacy rate by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The very concept of a "literacy rate" is nonsense. Different people have different capacity to understand what they read. I'm not big on sports, but I can usually get some understanding from scientific papers. I may not fully comprehend what I am reading, but some understanding is usually accomplished. Reading ability is one big grey area.

  59. Re: Castro dead by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    All of reality is a record that eventually there will be a technology for people to peruse and copy it at their leisure.

  60. Re:Bring back oppressing the poor by gwolf · · Score: 1

    Though that said, I'd be less than shocked if I found out that a bunch of Cubans had also escaped to Cancun. And I'm sure some did flee to Jamaica and Haiti and whatnot, though that would have been more difficult with Guantanamo (and US military presence) right there in addition to dodging the Cuban military.

    I was born and live in Mexico. Over the years, I have met tens of Cubans who came here for different reasons, some exiting legally, some... much less so. Most of those exiting legally returned to Cuba. Yes, not everybody was allowed out — but it was not as dire as you imagine. Now, out of those who left ilegally, basically all of them either had emigrated to the USA (and I met them later, as USA citizens) or were on their way to do so.
    Mexico is far from a first-world country, but it's also a place where an educated and skilled person can surely make a very good living. Many cubans have stayed here, of course, but there's nothing like Miami — I'd say, just an average Cuban community comparable to other Latin American national communities.
    As for Haiti and Jamaica... No, that's highly unlikely. In fact, it's way more probable for Haitians to try to immigrate into Cuba.

  61. Re: Castro dead by Enigma2175 · · Score: 1

    Another echo of the dubious 99.7. It shouldn't take 2 seconds to realize what nonsense that is. Did you also believe the reports of Fidel's popularity?

    Why is the statistic dubious? This poster even gave the source for the statistic, UNESCO. I looked up the literacy rate data on UNESCO's site and found this page with literacy statistics. The rates they publish for Cuba seems to match what both posters posted. Do you have data that contradicts this or does it just "feel" wrong to you? You've been around here for a long time, you should know data plays better with this crowd than emotion. Please present your data refuting the statistic or STFU.

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  62. Re: Good riddance! by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    And the US still imprisons a greater % of our people than Castro did his. So check your human rights violations in the mirror.

  63. Re: Castro dead by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    Nothing dubious about it, actual socialist countries considered basic education being the most important thing they can and must provide. That was the way in the USSR, in GDR, in Cuba, in Yugoslavia and so on. GDR schools were quite a bit better than they are in any German state nowadays, I can tell you that from personal experience.

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  64. Re: Good riddance! by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

    Well they're not going to get it from here!

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  65. Re: Castro dead by mjwx · · Score: 2

    Another echo of the dubious 99.7. It shouldn't take 2 seconds to realize what nonsense that is. Did you also believe the reports of Fidel's popularity?

    Why is the statistic dubious?

    Well obviously it goes against his preconceptions and biases.

    I'm inclined to believe that Cuba has a high level of adult literacy, but that just means they can read and write the native language (Spanish in Cuba's case) at an acceptable standard.

    The problem with Cuba's education system is not basic education, but advanced education. A collage degree from Cuba is worth less than a high school diploma from any western nation. Castro once joked that one of the good things about communism was "even our prostitutes have college degrees".

    And its not just Cuba, this kind of problem is common problem with third world nations including the extremely capitalistic ones like India and the Philippines. A Filipina nurse with a degree from a Filipino university will struggle to find work in Hong Kong as anything but a maid, however is she has one from a western university she'll have no trouble finding work in any number of developed nations as nursing staff are in demand almost everywhere.

    Most Filipinos can read and write English to a reasonable level (as well as Tagalog, Visyan or another Filipino language) but higher education is a lot more rare. What separates developed nations like the UK or Australia from developing nations isn't adult literacy, its higher education. We may have a lower rate of adult literacy but we have a much higher rate and quality of collage and university graduates.

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  66. Re:Good riddance! by Black+LED · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Obama did so much that you can't name one legitimate thing that he did. Sorry but the man is a completely worthless blowhard.

    Like Michael Moore said, getting Trump into office would be like giving the government a big "fuck you" and would be like throwing a molotov cocktail into their midst. The current US government needs to be destroyed and Trump might be the man to start cleaning house.

  67. Re: Castro dead by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

    Most people are unaware of the US involvement in pre-Castro Cuba, and would be shocked if they did a little research.

    Castro and communism are not my choices for leaders or economic systems, but the US is responsible for overthrowing lots of governments around the world, then acting shocked when a dictator or religious zealot steps in.

    Hopefully Trump won't renew the economic oppression of the Cuban people. We have behaved shamefully.

    It is healthy as sign and recognition of the crimes against the people of Cuba by the United States and the American embargo. Even with that embargo, the average Cuban has better health and education than the average American. Yes, the Cubans had oil problems, and thus they could not purchase American cars, partially because of the outlaw of Cubans to hold foreign money. As a citizen, you could be opposed to the policies of certain acts of legislature, but not promote policies against the individuals in the government. Even dictatorships had discussions about policies and situations that needed controversy to be resolved.

    Canada has a vigorous tourist trade with Cuba. We found crime much lower in Cuba than in the USA. You could walk anywhere and have no fear.

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  68. Re: Good riddance! by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

    Let me spell it out. Ask yourself, why is Cuba regarded as a human rights wasteland when our record, comparably, is worse in many areas? How can we live with ourselves - no, how can we not even notice it?

  69. Re: Castro dead by Copid · · Score: 1

    Not that I think the embargo was a particularly good policy, but I have to point out that if your awesome alternative to capitalism specifically requires trade with the US in order to succeed, it's reasonable to wonder if you really have an awesome alternative to capitalism.

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  70. Re: Castro dead by trenien · · Score: 1

    That has nothing to do with the intrinsic quality of the higher education there, and everything with preconceived biases.

  71. Re: Castro dead by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

    Fidel Castro was supported by the (regime changing) CIA and military establishment - in what turned out to be one of their biggest fiascos - to overturn the anti-US Batista regime. With the furious infighting in Washington between Kennedy and the entrenched military, the Bay of Pigs was the crowning touch in Castro's consolidation of Cuba.
    Russia, fully aware of the Kennedy attitude towards nuclear weapons, 'blinked', and backed down on the shipment of additional armaments to Cuba. What is NOT widely known is that the launch sites were already operational when the naval blockade was enacted, and it was the Russian government that forced Castro to dismantle and remove the missile sites that could have reached about half of the south-eastern US.
    Gotta' love the Crazy Idiots Agency and their black-ops for handling the geo-political issues - even before they got their unlimited funding from drug trafficking during the Viet Nam debacle.

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  72. Re:Old News (As opposed to fake news) by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

    This item hit the news feeds oh, around 15 hours ago. A bit late to the game eh?

    Everyone was too busy watching the 30 minutes of porn that CNN was broadcasting.

  73. Re: Castro dead by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Why don't you go and live there for a month and tell me how wonderful it is in Cuba. It's a sewer, except for Fidel. He lived like a billionaire while his people starved.

    I anticipate things will change now that the despot is dead. With any luck, that whole bunch will be out of power in another week. Then we can return it to a capitalist society, build it up and make it nice, like Hawaii. Hell, maybe they'll even be the 51st state.

  74. Re:Odd by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    At least not directly. You can kill people by proxy, though.

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  75. Re: Castro dead by dywolf · · Score: 1

    Che, like most things people like to take radically simplified black/white views of, was complicated.

    you would do well to learn a little bit of history.
    not just the part that justifies your simplistic view of the men, but all of the history.
    (in that way you are just like the t-shirt wearing fanboys, you just ignore the opposite parts of history than they do)

    Che and Castro both became who they were because of the rampant oppression of Latin American peoples, oppression that stemmed in large part from the protection of US interests or US-based business interests. specifically the Banana Wars (hint: there's a reason they're called "banana republics"), that didn't end until FDR instituted the Good Neighbor Policy in regards to Latin America. Batista was a brutal dictator, propped up by the US. The US Occupation of Nicaragua lasted from 1912 to 1932, only ending when the Great Depression forced the withdrawal of our troops.

    There was also: Spanish–American War, Santo Domingo Affair, Second Occupation of Cuba, Border War, Negro Rebellion (actual name), Occupation of Nicaragua, Occupation of Haiti, Occupation of the Dominican Republic, and the Sugar Intervention.

    Remember the Panama Canal? Well Panama wasn't a sovereign nation, but a part of Columbia. And we REALLY wanted to build a canal across the isthmus...but Columbia was not being very helpful in the plan, and even opposed it. So we backed the Panamanian Revolution in the Thousand Days War, and then dealt with the new country. Note that construction had already begun at the time of the conflict.

    Also note that the occupation of Nicaragua was related, in that it stemmed from our efforts to prevent any other country from constructing a similar canal across Nicaragua, a place we also almost constructed a canal before going with Panama.

    The point is there is a long and rich history here. It involves US imperialism, corrupt oligarchic governments (both opposed by the US and supported), and constant suffering of the people.

    So is it any wonder that Che, or Castro, or any of the other revolutionaries reacted with animus towards the US, towards the powerful, or rich, or corrupt, or sought independence of their own?

    We can talk all day long about whether they themselves fell under the corrupting influence of Power, about how they became supported by Communist Russia ("enemy of my enemy"), and whether or not they failed*, but first you need to correct your lack of education about their origins, about what made them change the paths of their lives (Che began as a medical student, was going to be a doctor) and become the men they did.

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    (*note that we may think they failed by our metrics, based on how we view our citizen's lot in life compared to say Cuba's citizens... ...but then consider the mantra among many conservatives in our own country who, even knowing that socialized medicine is cheaper and more effective, that social safety net programs work (re: Europe), but even knowing all that, adopt the mantra of "I'd rather fail on my own terms than succeed by someone else's", and thus eschew ALL social programs or national healthcare etc... ...and consider how similar that worldview is to the view of revolutionary Cubans, Venuzleans, Hondurans, Nicaraguans, or others, who would rather fail without capitalism than succeed with it, even though it means a rougher outcome for themselves?)

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  76. Re: Castro dead by dywolf · · Score: 1

    also...you should probably learn what a serial killer actually is.

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  77. Re: Castro dead by dywolf · · Score: 1

    Also, read the book 100 Years of Solitude. it is a fantastic piece of literature, though it may take a read through or two to make complete sense. its a surreal book, but that surrealism itself reflects life in Latin America. the climax of the book is a massacre of striking banana workers, essentially a retelling of the actual Banana Massacre.

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  78. Re: Castro dead by ilguido · · Score: 1

    I have to point out that if your awesome alternative to capitalism specifically requires trade with the US in order to succeed, it's reasonable to wonder if you really have an awesome alternative to capitalism.

    There are two problems with this.

    The first one is that the implementation of a given idea can only work under certain circumstances, there is no absolute in this world. In this case the circumstances were against Cuba, since its biggest neighbour was openly hostile against them and that is a detrimental situation no matter what economic system you use. It is a situation similar to that of Ukraine and Russia, even though Ukraine is much bigger than Cuba and Russia is a smaller economy than the USA.

    The second problem is that it wasn't just for the US: the US embargo was meant to hinder any economic relation of Cuba, through retaliation against every subject (nation, company, individual) having business with Cuba. Basically, of all their closest neighbours, Cubans had relations only with Venezuela.

  79. Re:always fascinating to see such drivel by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    This is why the only way to fix such a broken system is to get the people so mad that they self-organize to overthrow the bad leaders and stick their heads on pikes as a sign to anyone else who would go down the same path. It worked reasonably well in France, among others.

    Unfortunately, that doesn't work very well if the government has tanks and fighter jets, which is why Russia's arms sales to various Middle-Eastern regimes represents such a grave threat to real, long-term stability in the region.

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  80. Re: Castro dead by CommanderRyalis · · Score: 1

    Alger Hiss, convicted of perjury for Lying to the HUAC about committing espionage for the Soviet Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  81. Fake news site tip by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Want to know if a site is a real news site or a fake news site? If the site refers to Castro as a "leader" or "controversial figure" but not as a dictator, it's a fake news site.

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