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ULA Unveils Website That Lets You Price Out a Rocket 'Like Building a Car' (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: This morning, United Launch Alliance CEO Tory Bruno unveiled a new website that allows satellite makers to figure out what it will really cost to launch a vehicle on one of ULA's rockets. It's like going to "Ford or Chevy and building your car," Bruno said, except in the end you wind up with a more than $100 million rocket that can take cargo to space. And just like checking out on Amazon, the website allows you to save your rocket and submit it to ULA to start the process of finalizing a launch contract. The site, called RocketBuilder.com, looks to be ULA's attempt to further infiltrate the commercial satellite market, after launching mostly government satellites and NASA missions for the past decade. Bruno says the site is meant to provide an "unprecedented level of transparency" to commercial customers about the true cost of launching a satellite with ULA. "The sticker price on the rocket is just the tip of the iceberg," Bruno said at a press conference this morning in Washington, DC. "There is a whole host of other costs." The site is supposed to give potential customers an idea of what those costs might be. Rocket Builder allows you to pick when you want to launch and what orbit you want your satellite to go to. And then, depending on its destination and how big the satellite is, the site will help you calculate the size of your payload fairing -- the nose cone that encases the satellite on the top of the rocket -- as well as how many additional boosters you're going to need for thrust. Customers even have the option of picking customizable "service options," which include adding an onboard video system to the rocket, or conducting "expanded mission rehearsals." There's even the option of purchasing a VIP experience, where you can invite 100 customers or investors to come watch the launch as a marketing tool.
At least you're innovating the website
Maybe Kim Jong-Un can use this to put some spy satellites into orbit rather then use his hit-or-miss rocket program. If Kim can get the right rate on multiple launches maybe he can use ULA to nuke the US. Remember ULA is really an international organization and the main stage engines are from Russia. Putin might give ULA a discount for helping North Korea nuke the United States, and Trump might be willing to partner up with his bromance pal to seal the deal.
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care to elaberate im gitty with anticipacion.
Do you accept payment in cash?
They pollute space with junk that can be hazardous to useful satellites.
Fixed by treaties, and by technological improvements in de-orbiting, again enabled by more frequent launches.
Rocket launches also burn tremendous amounts of fossil fuels, which generate carbon pollution that causes global warming. If you care about this planet, you'll want to reduce rocket launches and make them less accessible to most people.
All the rocket fuel used annually is absolutely dwarfed by, e.g., automotive fuel. If you care about this planet, start moving your lazy fat ass around.
Ezekiel 23:20
shields? cloaking device? transporters?
Also, they should have a 1-click to calculate how many parasecs it would take to make the Kessel Run.
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I only wanted to build and launch one satellite of love for $200 million, but I didn't realize I added additional ones to the cart as I refreshed the page. I'm emailing customer support to return 7 unwanted rocketships. Please refund the fees to my credit card.
More reason to get everyone off this rock, nobody will pollute it anymore.
I walk away from my desktop for FIVE minutes, and my 5 year old has ordered a $100 million rocket launch to crash a load of honey ham into the Moon, because the moon-men apparently want a ham-and-cheese sandwich. Can I contest this with Visa?
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Surely this should have been a plug-in for Kerbal Space Program. Fly your rocket in the game, order the real thing. Not holding my breath for same-day delivery though...
A different AC here.
> If you care about this planet, start moving your lazy fat ass around.
You are absolutely right. I'm already doing that (I don't even own a driver's license!). The biggest elephant in the room is auto industry, which, at the price of full-out brib^H^H^H^H lobbying wants to keep status quo against all common sense.
The VW scandal is just a little side entertainment. The real action is those bastards pushing their SUVs and pick-ups into the market, which pollute far more per mile than the vehicles caught cheating.
Once we get *that* controlled we might start thinking about rockets. We *must* do that, eventually. Booster reuse might be a first step.
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If you care about this planet, you'll want to reduce rocket launches and make them less accessible to most people.
Yeah because this makes rocket launches accessible to most people. Most people with 100+ million to spare and a satellite that they want to put in orbit that is. Most people want to do that, I know I do, I've just been waiting for someone to make it accessible. Better get on it now before the queue starts.
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Once we get *that* controlled we might start thinking about rockets. We *must* do that, eventually. Booster reuse might be a first ste
I'm pretty much willing to bet that the carbon emissions from the rocket manufacturing process dwarf the carbon emissions from the fuel used for launched as well. After all, it seems that CO2 output is well correlated with economic value generated and the rocket costs over two orders of magnitude more than the launch fuel.
Ezekiel 23:20
Donald, is that you? You really need to grow a thicker skin(and not an orange peel)
Yup, that's the problem with cash for clunkers; let's shit out tons of CO2 to build a brand new car to save a few less tons then we would have just maintaining the old car.
However, booster re-use is a gimmic designed by a marketing genius; it's been shown pretty conclusively that it's not going to be cost effective, and consequently energy effective, since very little of the rocket actually gets reused.
2400kg to GEO for $151M (includes $65M of ULA "services").
So, where's the business plan that makes $63K/kg by being in geostationary orbit? Something involving a network of 240 10kg mini-sats would be interesting.
Unfortunately, if you're splashing out $151M on the launch vehicle, and probably at least another $20M building the payloads, the political red tape will likely run another $80M or so to "get permission" for your plan - unless you are providing a tax revenue stream of $100M or more... so, we're really talking about needing to deliver $100K/kg, or $1M per mini-sat in revenue.
Still, a $250M revenue generator isn't wildly unrealistic, if you can identify an under-served need, less than $0.04 per capita if you're serving the global market, or $1 per capita if you're US market only.
You're probably right. I guess I'll just bike the 20 miles to college and back... bike my hundred kilo a week trash and recycling bins to the local 4-mile-away waste management facility... bike to and from the supermarket 10 miles away and to bike home with a hundred lb of food... Ooh, or maybe I ought to take up walking those journeys, that seems perfect. Or should I take the bus, which pollutes more per mile per person than my SUV (as long as I have two or more people in it (which I nearly always do)), and takes the less efficient, significantly slower, longer route everywhere?
Different people have different needs. I'm not saying all SUV or truck drivers actually need their vehicle, but it is a good thing they exist.
Also, no, the cheating VWs polluted less in terms of emissions, but significantly more in terms of greenhouse gas effects. Nitrogen Oxide is not your friend.
You're probably right. I guess I'll just bike the 20 miles to college and back
There's a teacher at my alma mater capable of running twelve miles from home to his office. What's so problematic about biking for twenty miles?
. bike to and from the supermarket 10 miles away and to bike home with a hundred lb of food
No, that would make you fat.
Ezekiel 23:20
Just modeled an Earth-escape mission. Was pleasantly surprised at the low sticker price of $59M. Then I saw that the real sticker price was $100M+ and that they were subtracting the value of some of their support services as "added value."
Hmm, it really is like a car dealership.
There's a teacher at my alma mater capable of running twelve miles from home to his office.
Which proves what exactly? Cripes *I* can run 12 miles if I need to but that doesn't mean it's a good idea for me to commute that way. Running that distance would take me 90-110 minutes in good weather. Each way. Do you have a spare 3 hours per day? Do you have a shower available to you at work? Do you have roads you can safely run on? I don't. I live in an area that gets lots of snow 4 months per year, I live 20 miles from work, sidewalks don't exist for much of the commute, I need to be at work before dawn most days. Not to mention that I sometimes need to visit a client so showing up sweaty and smelly isn't a good idea. So I'm supposed to get up at 4am, run to work hoping I don't get run over, be sweaty and smelly all day, and repeat the process at night? And in winter somehow avoid frostbite or hypothermia as well?
Yeah sounds great.
What's so problematic about biking for twenty miles?
Nothing if you have the time, live in an area with good weather and roads, have a shower available at your destination, etc. That doesn't describe a whole lot of us. I bike 20 miles fairly often but it's simply not practical or safe for me to commute by bike.
I don't care about this planet or any other. I just don't. In about 75 years I'll be most probably dead and in that timeframe nothing can happens that will significantly impact my lifestyle, climate-wise. After I'm dead, I will no longer exist so I won't be able to care anyway. So why the fuck should I care?
Anyone wanna get in on a Groupon deal with me for a ULA rocket?
Owning my own company, I am not as tied down as many people and frequently make the 4-5 hour drive to Lompoc to see Vandenberg launches. Here's my last one.
At Lompoc, you have the choice of viewing ULA launches from Ocean Avenue (2.8 miles from Pad 3) or from Hawk's Nest, the official viewing spot 8 miles away which might be out of the fog when other spots aren't. I once went to a SpaceX launch where it was so foggy on Ocean Avenue that I only heard it.
At Kennedy Space Center, you have the option of viewing from the LC-39 Observation Gantry for $50, about the best launch viewing available, but Deleware North, the consession operating tours of KSC and Cape Canaveral, sometimes declines to open it for launches.
Company viewing is in an enclosed area a floor up from the peons on the LC-39 gantry. There have been times when I would have paid real money to view on the base rather than the 10-mile-away options on public land.
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All the rocket fuel used annually is absolutely dwarfed by, e.g., automotive fuel. If you care about this planet, start moving your lazy fat ass around.
You and the GP assume the biggest problem with rocket launches is the carbon dioxide production, when there are more concerns about the exhaust introducing byproducts into the upper atmosphere that normally doesn't mix as well with the lower atmosphere. Introduction of trace amounts of metals to the upper atmosphere can affect the ozone layer and noctilucent clouds.
...to put Donald Trump on an Earth-escape trajectory.
All the rocket fuel used annually is absolutely dwarfed by, e.g., automotive fuel.
Check out this flowchart of where roughly 97.4% of US energy comes from/goes to. Note the massive waste (rejected energy) in transportation AND electric generation. However a move to electric vehicles over the next few decades will still reduce wastage because of lower amounts of energy consumed overall. Plus the wastage in energy generation and transmission can also be greatly reduced.
But we have to admit this is a problem. For example shifting from coal to natural gas, which is happening because gas is a lot cheaper, could save us a lot of energy wastage and carbon emissions -- if we're careful to regulate methane emissions from natural gas production and distribution. Methane, the main component of natural gas, is a very potent greenhouse gas. Thus scrapping environmental regulations would actually hurt coal production because the gas industry would be able to externalize its costs and sell at an artificially low price.
There's every reason to believe we can make a big dent in the roughly 60% of energy that is simply wasted, and if on top of that we develop more carbon neutral sources like nuclear, wind, and biofuels we can over the course of a twenty years or so really reduce our carbon footprint while improving our energy independence. We're almost energy independent now, and if things continue on the path we've been on for the past six years or so we'll be a net exporter of energy in the next two or three years.
Conservation and clean energy will allow us to grow our economy, become independent of foreign oil supplies from unstable regions, and create jobs. But it will take changing the status quo, which is why people who benefit from the status quo don't want us to acknowledge the problem.
As for rocketry, it may not be a big deal in aggregate, but single orbital launch still puts out a lot of CO2 -- about the same as an average car driven for almost 50 years. However I think that could be reduced too, by introducing more biofuels as well as developing alternative launch technologies.
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Price out a rocket like buying a car? Seriously? You patterned your buying experience after the worst buying experience known to man? The one everybody in the country loathes? And your competitor also happens to run the only US auto manufacturer that doesn't put you through the horror that is the traditional auto buying experience? I don't even...
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I went to the site with the anticipation that it might be a radical rocket design tool with all the known mathematics formulas and data built-in, alas I was disappointed.
Can we get a DVD player in the back for the kids? The kids get antsy on our long space trips and Dad's temple vein starts to throb when the kids pester us with 'Are we there yet?'
...I couldn't find it on the dropdown.
Cool, but I shouldn't have to plug in a variety of different options to see how they affect the price. What if I'm flexible on launch-date, and want to optimize for cost? What's the largest payload I can put on a short rocket in a given orbit?
When I read the article, it reminded me the "get the facts" campaign of Microshaft, when they were saying that Windoze has lower cost than Linux. Right...