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Cyanogen Inc and CyanogenMod Creator Steve Kondik Part Ways (ndtv.com)

bulled writes: In the middle of a press release discussing the move of employees from Seattle to California, Cyanogen Inc notes that it has parted ways with Steve Kondik. It is unclear what this means for the future of CyanogenMod. NDTV reports: "Kondik took to the official CyanogenMod developer Google+ community recently where he voiced what he thought were the reasons behind Cyanogen's plight and blamed Kirt McMaster, Cyanogen's Co-Founder. 'I've been pretty quiet about the stuff that's been going on but I'm at least ready to tell the short version and hopefully get some input on what to do next because CM is very much affected,' wrote Kondik in a private Google+ community first reported by Android Police. According to Kondik's version, Cyanogen's turmoil is way far from being over. He claimed that Cyanogen had seen success thanks to the efforts by the community and the company. Though, this also changed how the company worked. Explaining how it all started to come down, Kondik wrote, 'Unfortunately once we started to see success, my co-founder apparently became unhappy with running the business and not owning the vision. This is when the 'bullet to the head' and other misguided media nonsense started, and the bad business deals were signed. Being second in command, all I could do was try and stop it, do damage control, and hope every day that something new didn't happen. The worst of it happened internally and it became a generally shitty place to work because of all the conflict. I think the backlash from those initial missteps convinced him that what we had needed to be destroyed. By the time I was able to stop it, I was outgunned and outnumbered by a team on the same mission.' Kondik also seemingly confirmed a report from July which claimed Cyanogen may pivot to apps. He further wrote, 'Eventually I tried to salvage it with a pivot that would have brought us closer to something that would have worked, but the new guys had other plans. With plenty of cash in the bank, the new guys tore the place down and will go and do whatever they are going to do. It's probably for the best and I wish them luck, but what I was trying to do, is over.'"

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  1. "We'll pivot into apps" by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Famous second-to-last words, really. Used to be "we'll pivot into mobile", back in the early aughties, and that never worked out either.

  2. Still a need for what he was origally doing by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I knew Cyanogenmod was doomed as soon as Microsoft bought it.

    Steve Kondik needs to go back to his roots and just do better android ports for common devices again. There's still a big need for it.

    1. Re:Still a need for what he was origally doing by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a strong vision in something like CyanogenMod, and that can be leveraged into "profits" given the right view.

      I personally thought the original vision of Cyanogen Inc was towards the right track. However, once they kicked OnePlus to the curb for "more" (India) they lost almost all credibility they had in going that route. No real Handset Maker would ever do business with them after that.

      The rest of whatever credibility they had left over , was gone the moment they were "bought" by Microsoft and started to Bing up the joint.

      I don't care what the reasons were for either of those two "missteps", they killed Cyanogen Inc.

      There are two valid moves Steve can make at this point, both I've seen mentioned elsewhere. First is take CM, and put it under a 501.c.3 Umbrella, and crowd source development. The other option is to "restart" the Company, but without a douchebag running it, and focus on taking lagging older handsets and getting them patched and updated, with (preferably) the blessings of the maker (good PR for both) or without.

      IMHO these are not mutually exclusive either. The latter is going to take some time to get trust rebuilt, but it would pay huge if he found someone who knew the vision and could keep the focus tight (I volunteer, but I rather doubt anyone would take me up on it). There is still a need for custom/slim ROMs out there that aren't branded Nexus/Pixel/Chrome/Whatever

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    2. Re:Still a need for what he was origally doing by farble1670 · · Score: 2

      Steve Kondik needs to go back to his roots and just do better android ports for common devices again. There's still a big need for it.

      Although I'm sure you'd love him to spend his days and nights building software for free, I suspect he needs to eat and pay his electric bill.

      He needs to get with a business person that can build something around his skills. What I thought CM, Inc was supposed to be was a company that one could contract do bring up and support for your hardware, or perhaps take over support for older devices. It's not exactly exciting, but device manufacturers would fall over themselves to pay someone to take that nightmare off their hands.

      He should have bailed when his CEO started that "take Android back from Google" crap.
      http://gizmodo.com/cyanogen-wa...

      What an idiot.

    3. Re:Still a need for what he was origally doing by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      ...and where did I say he needs to do it for free?

    4. Re:Still a need for what he was origally doing by DrXym · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The easiest way to turn CM into profit is to sign some contracts with phone manufacturers or network operators and produce versions of CM under a support contract. Cyanogen Inc actually did that with the OnePlus but almost immediately fell into a dispute with them because they'd also signed some exclusivity contract with a no-name phone maker for the Indian market. This dispute ended up with OnePlus rolling their own firmware. So Cyanogen simultaneously proved they had the technical prowess to produce commercial grade firmware and absolutely no business acumen to go with it causing the whole thing to collapse. After that little disaster they declared war on Google. They lost.

  3. CyanogenMod is the only hope for some devices... by mlts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know for some devices, CM is the only way the device will ever see security patches and updates. I hope this doesn't mean that this project dies, just because it is so useful, especially for owners of devices that are not big hits (the HTC A9 comes to mind.)

  4. Re:CyanogenMod is the only hope for some devices.. by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    He needs to re-start the project under his guidance only and keep it independent. No big corporate interests involved.
    Obviously he cant call the new project Cyanogenmod anymore, partly because it isn't, and also because Microsoft or some other corporate entity owns that name now.

  5. ...Extinguish by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yep, the old formula is still working.

    Good Job, Microsoft!

    1. Re:...Extinguish by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Microsoft had nothing to do with this beyond picking up the pieces. Cyanogen Inc.'s penchant for spectacularly bad business decisions (such as offering an unrestricted worldwide license to one company while simultaneously offering an exclusive license for the Indian market to another) doomed the company from the beginning. And PR moves like "We'll kill Google by releasing a product based on one of Google's products." didn't help either.

      A shame, really. Affordable handsets with known-good CM compatibility, no crapware and actual, real updates would've been a nice thing. But due to Cyanogen's leadership being farcically inept that just wasn't possible.

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  6. Re:CyanogenMod is the only hope for some devices.. by Yvan256 · · Score: 2

    Kondikmod?

  7. Fork it by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It wouldn't be the first time that a community decamped from a project by forking it and picking off from a new website.

    1. Re:Fork it by chihowa · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'll just leave this here, in case you think that the word "cyanogen" was made up just recently by this phone OS project: cyanogen.

      The android project is in fact named after an extremely toxic compound (or generally a class of compounds) that contains the cyanide moiety. The "cyan" part of cyanide is just a historical curiosity based on it's original synthesis (from Prussian Blue).

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    2. Re:Fork it by rectalfeeding · · Score: 2
      Thanks. I wasn't very aware of that history, nor the wikipedia snippet I'll post below when I made the comment, but I feel somewhat vindicated even though someone downmodded my already karmatically unenhanced comment. Jerk.

      CyanogenMod grew in popularity, and a community of developers, called the CyanogenMod Team (and informally "Team Douche"[17])

      So yes, I'll double down on my original comment that naming your product after a poison, or your development team after a term with sexist and/or derogatory connotations, might have clearly displayed an intent to repel a majority of potential users instead of attract them. What a disservice those branding choices did for the wider public's general ability to obtain viable alternatives to the open source android mobile phone OS.

  8. Re:Android fans will just compile themselves...not by EEPROMS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    hold your horses there sparky, Apple and Microsoft do have updates but both have has issues with updating older hardware. In Apples case many of the updates would make the phone perform like crap as the hardware was too old. I have a Nexus 6 that is 3 years old and I am running Android 7 with no issues or hacks needed. The issue is for all mobile devices after approx 3 years the software starts to exceed the ability of the device itself. So you end up shoehorning a size 13 software foot into a size 9 hardware shoe. Neither Apple or Microsoft offer the option to build a custom rom to fit your now out dated device so android devices is as good as it gets especially if you want to hang on to the hardware for a long period of time.

  9. Re:FIrst Maemo/Meego and then Cyanogen? by cheesybagel · · Score: 2

    I still remember when I ran Linux/X11 on a Pentium with 16 MB of RAM. Paltry specs compared with a modern smartphone. Yet X11 is considered "heavy" for some reason. Feh.

  10. Re:Android fans will just compile themselves...not by blahbooboo · · Score: 2

    Your reply is just avoiding the discussion by nitpicking. You're a smart person, you get what i was saying. How about contribute to the discussion next time instead?

  11. Re:FIrst Maemo/Meego and then Cyanogen? by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    I remember when the cursor in X11 would lag pathetically.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

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  12. FORK FORK FORK!!!!!! by ninthbit · · Score: 2

    For fucks sake, fork that bitch ,call it C-Mod or OpenCyan and get that bitch fixed. No one cares what the trademark branding crap.