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Linux Mint 18.1 'Serena' BETA Ubuntu-based Operating System Now Available For Download (betanews.com)
BrianFagioli shares his story on Beta News: Feeling fatigued by Windows 10 and its constant updates and privacy concerns? Can't afford one of those beautiful new MacBook Pro laptops? Don't forget, Linux-based desktop operating systems are just a free download away, folks!
If you do decide to jump on the open source bandwagon, a good place to start is Linux Mint. Both the Mate and Cinnamon desktop environments should prove familiar to Windows converts, and since it is based on Ubuntu, there is a ton of compatible packages. Today, the first beta of Linux Mint 18.1 'Serena' becomes available for download.
Here's the release notes for both Cinammon and MATE.
If you do decide to jump on the open source bandwagon, a good place to start is Linux Mint. Both the Mate and Cinnamon desktop environments should prove familiar to Windows converts, and since it is based on Ubuntu, there is a ton of compatible packages. Today, the first beta of Linux Mint 18.1 'Serena' becomes available for download.
Here's the release notes for both Cinammon and MATE.
I develop C++ applications mainly for Linux. I use Visual C++ and Xcode (I got accustomed to it after some time) to develop, then I log on Linux to "port" the code with vi, GCC, etc, and add Linux specific features.
Is there a decent GUI for developing on Linux now?
You can use VS on a Windows machine to build/debug on Linux now. You can also run a light version, "VS Code," natively on Linux - it's free and open source, but I don't know how full-featured it is.
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If you are on Slashdot and haven't switched to Linux by now, then it seems extremely unlikely that you ever will.
I hope you all enjoy whatever OS you happen to be using today.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I had to make a ext4 partition from windows to get it to use my ssd drive.
Now duel boots windows 10 oem fine.
It seen all my hardware wifi asus x501a I3 USB TP-LINK WDN3200 out of the box.
I used the KDE spin awesome to sum it up.
Linux is an ideal environment for me, but I'm a Linux kernel developer so I probably don't represent a typical user.
I almost exclusively boot to Linux on my MBP. I like having a laptop with decent 3D acceleration and good Linux support.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I think the best way for someone to start using Linux is to install PuTTY on a Windows machine and buy a virtual server (linode, chunkhost, whatever). Setting up a server to do something practical is way more rewarding than wrestling with a desktop system.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I looked up the information about VS build/debug functionality for Linux. Thanks a lot!
Wow! How the world has changed..
Nerdy devs say it sucks, but eclipse does the job for me.
http://www.eclipse.org/downloa...
https://eclipse.org/cdt/
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
After many years of Ubuntu use as primary desktop, the thing that drove me away was ending the support for the closed source AMD video drivers.
Someone decided that the open source drivers were 'good enough'. Well, they are not, at least for what i was doing. And the choice to use the drivers as released by AMD was removed, and doing so manually anything but trivial, as in, you'd have more luck on an arch based distro.
Imho, Ubuntu, and all derivatives like Mint, suddenly alienate half their user base with that decision. And if this wasn't an online forum i'd use stronger wordings for that.
Also, i just need to get work done. And most of the stuff i do is reasonable platform-agnostic but expects reasonable 3D performance. So, i'm back to windows 10 which serves my need, ironically has Ubuntu user land built in these days, and Linux will have to wait until i upgrade my graphics to nVidia, or when i can be bothered to try another distro, or when open source graphics drivers are really of comparable quality, whichever come first.
* Just 2 cents from a frustrated ex-Ubuntu&Mint user on the desktop. *
A glitch a day keeps the bugs away.
speak for yourself but no one else. My laptop runs Linux Mint 17.3, all devices work because it takes 5 minutes of research to find laptops that will work. I don't do games. OpenShot and gimp are good enough media apps for me, vlc for viewing. SageMath works well, it was made for Linux. Spreadsheets with LIbreOffice are fine.
I develop C++ applications mainly for Linux ... Is there a decent GUI for developing on Linux now?
I assume by "GUI" you mean IDE? I'd try NetBeans. It's mostly known for Java development, but has a decent C++ development module as well. It's perhaps five to ten years behind the state-of-the-art on Windows, but it's certainly quite usable. I'm using it to port my game engine at the moment, as well as an open-source cross-platform C++ library I maintain on GitHub.
Oh, and if you do check it out, make sure to grab it directly from netbeans.org, as the one in packages is often quite outdated. Current version should be 8.1, if I'm not mistaken.
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
I've noticed a trend, not only on Slashdot but elsewhere, that in trying to get people to use desktop Linux distros a lot of the advocacy is based on what Windows (specifically Windows 10) is doing in terms of telemetry, reduction of control over the operating system and what not, and basically elements of Windows, and NOT about how Linux is better in specific ways.
That's an interesting point, and much of the anti-Linux pro-Windows marketing targets that very point, by emphasizing what Windows can do which Linux cannot. (It will inevitably be vertical apps, high-end gaming, high-end features in things like PhotoShop, etc.)
Of course, the real draw (for many of us) with Linux is the concept free as in beer and especially free as in freedom. And with Windows 10 becoming the spyware of the millenium, there are people looking for alternatives. So a certain amount of what is, as you state, negative marketing, seems justified.
But you're right, it's not sufficient in and of itself. Users have to be able to do whatever it is they need to do. Linux has come a very long way in that regard, to the point at which in my own work I need Windows for ---- absolutely nothing at all. Those of us who are Linux fans need to promote that angle.
For instance, I always cite the use case of my wife, who uses the Linux installation I set up for her, and neither knows nor cares what OS she's using --- she can do email, Facebook, photos, documents, on-line games, etc. and that's all that matters to her. I suppose I should be more forward in promoting my own use case, namely writing and publishing and doing related analysis.
Linux has a strong case: a lot of functionality, end-user ease of use easily on a par with Windows, and the aforemention Very Big Deal: free as in freedom and beer.
Just Curious, Tried LLVM (Clang)? If so, what do you think?
Is there a decent GUI for developing on Linux now?
Sure: XEmacs
A co-worker has used Code Blocks (www.codeblocks.org and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...) and it seems okay.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
there's an ubuntu answer
open ati driver is really good though
no, no it's not
Yeah! Nice one! emacs all the way like it was intended to be in the first place!
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
Eh, sort of. There's kind of this area (https://wiki.freedesktop.org/xorg/RadeonFeature/) between the oldest ATI and the newest AMD where Hybrid Graphics support still doesn't exist....and for those of us with a muxless discrete GPU (I don't know, every modern laptop with a discrete GPU?), this has been sucking royally for the past 9+ months. See, the discrete GPU needs more than its driver to be loaded: it needs modesetting compiled into it as well (to tell the muxless GPU about the various inputs / outputs that the integrated GPU has, so it can steal them...).
I have a [AMD/ATI] Venus PRO Radeon HD 8850M / R9 M265X that I haven't been able to use under Mint 18. I've heard that more and more support will be added into the AMDGPUPRO driver from AMD for older cards with each release, but nothing for this one as of yet. And no discrete GPU means no games or GPU intense applications.
AMD, it's a laptop. It needs that hybrid-power app. Just give us a working version already, we're miserable as it is.
That brings to mind something else. Not trolling, but is this a version where Mint has gone to systemd, or is it still based on previous init systems? Anyone?
Try Code::Blocks. It runs on Windows, Linux and Mac.
I mean seriously EditorDavid, do you think beta is an acronym?
Um, the Mint team called it BETA (in CAPS) on their site, as they usually do, so you could maybe lay off of EditorDavid this time. I've run Mint betas before without problems, but I'm glad they make it clear when a release on their main page is indeed a beta.
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and if you pry your head out of Bill Gate's ass the world smells much better. Back to your games, windblows boy
Every other day, there seems to be a new "operating system" released, always in "beta" (and never leaving that stage)... but it's just a Linux distribution! It's just a bunch of standard junkware slapped together! I don't understand this obsession with making new Linux distros when there already are a billion of them.
If you want to sound crotchety and whiny, that's up to you. But you are completely wrong here, since Mint has been around for about ten years and is an excellent operating system with a great team and professional lead developer, not "junkware slapped together." I don't agree with one of the bigoted political stances Mint head Clem has taken in the past but I've been running it for 9 years and fully understand why it is one of the most popular and respected distros (and he's kept quiet about his hate for Israel in recent years). You can be lazy and let MS run your computer and data if you like, but that doesn't mean there aren't 10-20 really good Linux distros out there completely ready for prime time, beta or otherwise.
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+1 for Lazarus; (object) pascal is a dog of a language syntax-wise, but the quality of libraries available for lazarus, and the comprehensiveness of the IDE are exceptionally good.
For C++ programming in Linux, I believe the go-to is code:blocks (as already mentioned), but I use CodeLite which is a younger open-source IDE. It's a very feature rich and slick environment for c++1x/y development but has a bit of a learning curve and takes a bit of tweaking to get it to work the way you want. I've used it to port a visual studio c++14 game from windows to linux (yes, it can import VS2015 projects) and like it a lot. I found code:blocks, by comparison, to be clunky and a little outmoded, though I can't remember why. You will probably find a lot more support for Code:Blocks, however, since it's a much older and widely-used thingy.
VS Code for linux is a "lightweight" development environment, which some prefer, but if you're coming from windows, it will seem like a cut-down version of notepad++ by comparison.
TL;DR: I have used CodeLite for c++14 development in linux and prefer it over the given alternatives.
Can I play ALL my games, perfectly and without issues, at the same or better framerate?
Nope, and I can't play most of my games on Windows at all, since half of them are only released for dedicated consoles, you silly person!
I've certainly loved some PC-only games over the years, but at this point in my life, spending $2000 every 2-3 years so I can play a handful of worthwhile PC-only games seems like a mistake. When I can buy a $300 console that plays way more good games, and quite a few that have no Windows versions, I can't justify being into PC gaming anymore. I used to be a PC game snob too, but I think I'm done with shelling out the dough for 120 FPS and using a keyboard for games.
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I switched to Linux Mint for several reasons, not the least of which was the telemetry.
Mint has been an outstanding OS for me on my laptop, I never boot into Windows on it anymore. Not for close to a year I think.
I recently went to Cambodia for a few weeks and took my laptop. I was able to do everything I needed- mail, video, Skype, remote access, etc. No need to boot into Windows, which I thought I might have to do. One of my niche apps, a little Windows cardfile app called AZZCard, works fine under Wine. I've been looking at native Linux replacements for it but haven't settled on a single cardfile app yet.
But yeah, Mint works very, very well for me. Everything works perfectly- sound, video, wifi, USB devices, everything.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
I use Mint on a 5 year old laptop and it's fine. It's fast, everything works, and I see no reason whatsoever to spend $800 on a Macbook or a new Windows laptop.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Read more carefully friend. The first option seems to work for him. VS Code is another option.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
For the love of god, don't do this to yourself. Just get a Macbook Air. $800 might be a bit overpriced but Linux = wasted time plus limited programs.
I can't imagine wanting to get an expensive new laptop and putting Linux on it.
Oh meh, Mac is my main platform, Linux second. But There isn't a damn thing wrong with cruising on Linux on a fast laptop. Got my better half high end touchscreen laptop with W8, and after a month she refused to use it. Linux Mint was close enough to what she learned on, and now that it doesn't have the Windows smegma overhead, it flies on Mint. She likes it. She likes the speed of it.That's good enough for me.
It's something you do to an old laptop - you can't game on it, you won't use it for media applications. Linux is either going to be used for a server that needs something faster than the fastest laptop, or is just for dicking around on the web, in which case just get the cheapest thing you can.
Nobody in the world needs/wants a high-end Linux laptop.
Well I'll be damned I am in a conversation with the person who knows exactly what all people want, and what all people do not want. I'll bet the women find you irresistible. You have a newsletter?
So Bullshit - you don't know, you're only a know- it- all. Now buy a PC, you're giving us Mac users a worse name than we already have.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Well theoretically you have to install the services you want. "apt-get install nginx" or whatever. Then edit the config files for a few minutes and poke around at the logs for a few hours to figure out why it's not working.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
What's a mouse?
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
If you're willing to pay money for an IDE, CLion is fantastic.
If you're not willing to pay money, Qt Creator is also pretty good, and despite having "Qt" in the name it is perfectly good at working on non-Qt projects.
Anybody who tells you to use Eclipse can't be trusted.
Karma: Terrifying (mostly affected by atrocities you've committed)
and despite having "Qt" in the name it is perfectly good at working on non-Qt projects.
Duh! Then again, although eclipse has java in its name, it doesn't mean it has to be used only for java projects. Are you really up to an argument with one of the oldest company on this planet (e.g. HAL)?
Eclipse works fine...
Everything I write is lies, read between the lines.
Then again, although eclipse has java in its name
... No it doesn't. If you're going to try to make a useless semantic argument, at least get your semantics right.
Eclipse works fine...
If you don't mind massive memory consumption, painfully slow auto-completion, random crashes, and awful CMake support, sure. Have you ever actually used CLion or Qt Creator?
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Exactly! Linux laptops aren't going to be running anything intensive anyway, so just running Linux on a cheap old laptop is fine.
Slashdot: providing anti-social weirdos a soapbox, since 1997.
I've used Linux Mint as a desktop for about four years. I still have one Windows 7 system because of Pro Tools, waiting for the day when I can swap to Linux for 'music'. Recently I've introduced my ex (in another country, support more difficult) and a local friend to Mint. There was a little spike in support in the first couple of weeks and now nothing. I used to get several calls per week when they used Windows, so my 'upgrade' was somewhat self-interested.
At the start of this, I needed convincing, quite happy now, not missing Windows at all. I think my desktop 'tank' is about 7/8 years old too. My feeling is, just try, create an extra guest login on one of your machines to show people, show don't tell.
On y va, qui mal y pense!
I switched to the Mint Linux at home in 2008 because my FreeBSD 4.xy and later PC-BSD was getting hard to keep up-to-date at that time. The main issue was flash plugins for browsers and suchlike. At that time I had problems running newer versions of FreeBSD on my computer built from quite a few salvaged parts, and I was too poor/frugal to purchase a new PC.
Just like with FreeBSD, Mint Linux was a love at first sight. Much more to my taste than other Linux distributions that I kept testing.
So, for some of us it wasn't the dislike of Windows, but love for Unix.
I'm not [yet] sure that Mint 18 is taking us in the right direction...
I am a big fan of the Mint distribution, having switched from ubuntu 12.04 when I read that Mark Shuttleworth and ubuntu were adopting "monetization" of the dash. I have not had reason to look back - until I switched my most-used system to 18.0 earlier this year.
My system is based around an Asus z170 Pro Gaming mini-ITX motherboard, with an Intel 6700T Skylake processor, 16Gb RAM and a 1Tb Samsung SSD. However, after switching from Mint 17.3 to 18.0 [clean installation to a new SSD] I have experienced a range of issues for which I've been unable to get support or resolution. Examples include:-
1. A sound configuration that will reset itself during a session, within a couple of minutes of being set . I want my audio to exit the system via Digital Output (S/PDIF), but each time I boot the system, and usually after about 10-15 minutes of no active audio - the system unilaterally resets the audio channel to HDMI/DisplayPort Built-in Audio...
2. I have an infrequent, but major and annoying system stability issue, in which an attempt to cold-boot my system generates the following:-
[ 1.377121] [drm:i915_gem_init-stolen [i915_bpo]] *ERROR* conflict detected with stolen region:
[0xc6000000 - oxc8000000]
Welcome to emergency mode!
Having seen the drm portion of the message I wondered if this was related to any Intel drivers, so got in touch on the Intel forums. I've been trawling the net looking for help with this for a month now, without joy, although I am beginning to suspect that this specific issue might either be related to systemd, or possibly to the latest Asus firmware.
I've been exceptionally happy with every single edition of Mint that I have tried since 2012, have donated to the project and had generally positive experiences on the forums. Mint is a slick, clean, efficient and it-works-beautifully [as opposed to it-just-works] distribution. However, with the introduction of 18.0, things have started to look just a little flaky. Let's hope that 18.1 addresses these issues!
The interesting/frustrating thing about the issues I've seen is that I am 99.9999% certain that none of them are caused by software developed directly by the Mint project. Rather I am near-certain that they are brought to this release through selected packages, which unfortunately can make isolation and resolution of the more esoteric issues an exercise in patience, persistence and luck. I just hope that Mint continues to develop via evolution and not revolution...
Not half as bummed as I'd be if I failed at reading comprehension half as badly as you do.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I'm using MacOS, Windows and Linux for a long time, though mostly Linux for work and programming nowadays, and I'd say the reason is that Linux is not particularly better than Windows in many respects. It's mostly different. I've had no weird update problems on Linux ever (maybe I was lucky), in contrast to many update problems and rollbacks in Windows. But there are many other problems on Linux and I've often had to twiddle around with configuration files in /etc to fix things. Overall, both operating systems are fairly stable.
Privacy, free (as in 4 freedoms), and controlled updates are indeed big selling points for Linux. Who wants to use a developer machine that connects to 100+ servers owned by another company without any control by the local administrator?
I agree. Qt Creator starts really fast, and lets you navigate C++ code quickly with Ctrl+Click/F2 to go to the definition, F4 to switch between C/H files, Alt+Left/Right to go to previous cursor locations, inter-file refactoring of names, and when there is stuff on the screen you don't want, you mash Esc until it all goes away.
Are you bummed that you bought a "touch screen laptop," installed Linux, and suddently it worked for shit?
Why do you think it "worked for shit"? Linux Mint works perfectly on a touchscreen.
Then again, you are the sort of person who makes Simpson references by the second word of a post.
Stupid sexy Flanders.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Sadly, LMDE is not being updated anymore (I mean the releases, not the repositories). Mint is a superb distro, but I really miss Debian on it. I guess I'll have to keep my Debian Stretch for some time.
Open Source Network Inventory for the masses! Kuwaiba
Not half as bummed as I'd be if I failed at reading comprehension half as badly as you do.
There was a time, years ago, when installing Linux on a computer was a bit of a chore. The search for drivers could be frustrating. But the last time I had that problem was around 8 years ago, and even then, it was because I was installing on a fresh just released out of the gate laptop, and turns out, a driver was available the next day.
The last time I had a problem with a Windows driver? Last month.
The touch screen on my wife's laptop works perfectly. All the functions of the laptop work. And updates do not cause the computer or it's components to stop working. She's very happy with it, and hated W8.X to the point where she refused to use the computer, so AC needs to chillaxe and face the truth, not repeat ancient memes.
Next up for AC? A 15 minute rant on the Apple one button mouse!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I agree with what the parent says here, but two other basic issues I'd point out in terms of "how Linux is better" are:
(1) Choice. I'm not talking about distros necessarily, which sometimes seem to fragment the Linux community unnecessarily. I mean just choice in general about what to install, how to manage it, how to use it, etc. I've definitely noticed a trend in software over the past 15 years or so to HIDE or outright DISABLE more and more choices.
Linux is sometimes criticized for TOO much choice -- too many configuration options, etc. But there are, well, choices in Linux (distros, desktop choices) that hide a lot of that stuff if you want. But if you WANT to be a "power user" and configure exactly what's on your system and how it works, you can.
(2) Support for lesser hardware. To me, this is a HUGE deal, because there are loads of cheap computers (both desktops and laptops) today that you can get for a few hundred bucks, sometimes less. And they're perfectly functional for the basic stuff that most people do 95% of time -- email, web browsing, basic documents, etc. Compared to hardware specs computers of 10 or 15 years ago that did the same stuff, they are hugely advanced, and a large number of people who don't do significant processor-heavy tasks simply don't need more.
But often these cheap computers come with the latest Windows release and other bloated software that just serves to slow them down. Or, even if they work well for the first year or so, various "updates" and "patches" and just the accumulated crap on a Windows system slow the system to a crawl.
With Linux, I'm able to pull a 10+ year old laptop out of my closet, install a modern, up-to-date OS with up-to-date security patches and support, and it runs well. Yeah, I'm obviously not talking about people who need advanced gaming support or complex video editing or whatever -- but if you just need a basic cheap system, Linux has plenty of options for you.
That's actually where it has shined for friends and family I've recommended it to. They have a computer that's 2 or 3 years old and just seems to be "slow." They ask me for advice for buying a new one -- and I have to tell them. "Well yeah, you COULD get that cheap laptop for only $300, but it's probably going to run slow out of the box. So you might want to spend a bit more." Or, I can just say, "Here -- install Linux, then see what happens." And now their old computer will work for several more years.
To me, that's one of the little-discussed aspects of what makes Linux better for some people. Over the years, it has literally saved me thousands of dollars, just by not having to buy more expensive hardware or upgrade just to run the latest bloat put out by Microsoft. That cost savings alone (even setting aside the cost savings of using free application software, etc. too) is not insignificant.
Except for the unpatched kernel vulnerabilities because they keep using an out of track non-LTS kernel. Maybe that's changed since the last big kernel exploit that went unpatched for 18months on Mint but the project has an atrocious record on security and no matter how much you like it you shouldn't ignore the warts it's got.
end-user ease of use easily on a par with Windows
Actually, I have to disagree vigorously with this one. Windows is much more of a pain in the ass than Linux to use, for many reasons. The biggest one that comes to mind is updates. On Linux Mint, they're ridiculously easy: just click on the little shield icon when it's red, then click "install updates" on that window. Minimize and go back to your work. I believe it's also possible to make it fully automatic though I haven't tried that. On Windows, updates will force themselves on you at terribly inconvenient times, and prevent you from using your computer, and will force a reboot, so you lose all your open windows.
Who wants to use a developer machine that connects to 100+ servers owned by another company without any control by the local administrator?
Apparently, most users and developers, judging by how many use Windows and ardently defend it, including on this very site. Most people just don't care about those freedoms, or privacy.
But I want them to continue wasting money on Microsoft and other closed source wares. If BSD and Linux become too common my salary will drop, so fuck 'em.
Agreed. My experience with Windows and Linux is that Linux is considerably easier to use, and with fewer "pain points". Updates and installing software are almost effortless with Linux. I get to do updates when I want, and because I do them often, they are small and quick, and my machines stay up to date. With Linux I don't have to deal with forced updates that are huge and slow and bring my machines to a near halt. I have more control.
Don't step on the baby.
It's 2016, there's Google sheets is all 99% of people need. Most people aren't "gamers". Less than 1% of people actually use Photoshop. You're dismissing the average user, which makes up the VAST majority of users.
Except for the unpatched kernel vulnerabilities because they keep using an out of track non-LTS kernel. Maybe that's changed since the last big kernel exploit that went unpatched for 18months on Mint but the project has an atrocious record on security and no matter how much you like it you shouldn't ignore the warts it's got.
I'll take the warts and security vulnerabilities that Mint has versus all of the problems Windows has, especially for a desktop system. Of course I wouldn't run Mint on mission-critical enterprise servers, but that isn't the target market, and no one with major infrastructural concerns needs the simplicity of Mint, either. It isn't perfect, but Mint is a viable alternative to M$ for the average (or slightly above) home user.
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I agree the upgrading gets tiring although $2000 is quite the exaggeration these days. Other way around though, if I can't game it sucks to upgrade the PC just because javascript / firefox runs slow and the video is unaccelerated, but not have any games to show it off.
Eventually, I hope we can get some full blown PC emulator where I can get some Windows 95, 98 or XP running (or even Windows ME) and get old games running 60fps at 800x600 at least. Emulator, not virtualization where nothing 3D accelerated ever works.
The last server I rented was pretty much like that. Click click here, pay there, your root password is hunter2. It came with a preconfigured $distro (i forgot which(*)) all with httpd and some database running, literally turnkey.
(*) All I've used it for was bootstrapping the NetBSD installation
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Why, BETA stands for Before ETA which in turn stands for Estimated Ttime of Arrival. A BETA comes before the release, which is what the ETA refers to. It makes perfect sense.
How do you even survive...?
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*BSD
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