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BMW Traps A Car Thief By Remotely Locking His Doors (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes CNET: Seattle police caught an alleged car thief by enlisting the help of car maker BMW to both track and then remotely lock the luckless criminal in the very car he was trying to steal... Turns out if you're inside a stolen car, it's perhaps not the best time to take a nap. "A car thief awoke from a sound slumber Sunday morning (November 27) to find he had been remotely locked inside a stolen BMW, just as Seattle police officers were bearing down on him," wrote Jonah Spangenthal-Lee [deputy director of communications for the Seattle Police Department].

The suspect found a key fob mistakenly left inside the BMW by a friend who'd borrowed the car from the owner and the alleged crime was on. But technology triumphed. When the owner, who'd just gotten married a day earlier, discovered the theft, the police contacted BMW corporate, who tracked the car to Seattle's Ravenna neighborhood.

The 38-year-old inside was then booked for both auto theft and possession of methamphetamine.

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  1. Happy ending, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good for the guy who got his car back, and good that they put the would be thief away, but still, can't say I much like the idea that our corporate overlords can track your car (and therefore movements) and remotely lock down your vehicle.

    1. Re:Happy ending, but by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 2

      It's an anti-theft feature marketed as such. The only "privacy" that was violated here was that of the theif. And fuck him.

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    2. Re:Happy ending, but by mlts · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it came down to allowing someone from remote to lock the vehicle, preventing egress and disable the starter versus just making a claim to the insurance company, I'd rather forgo the remote locking and if the item is stolen, deal with the insurance company and see about a replacement vehicle, for a few reasons:

      1: Usually a recovered vehicle is trashed big time, and you never know if sometime down the line you might have a dog search at a checkpoint (anyone travelling on I-10 knows about this) yield something the thieves put there in the way of illegal substances.

      2: The vehicle can have a failure and lock someone in. At best, it means smashing a window to get out.

      3: Most importantly, right now, it might just be a vehicle maker that can do this from remote... but it is only a matter of time before someone hacks that, and in a 104 degree day, someone decides to stall and double-lock all BMWs on the roads, forcing rescue teams to go vehicle by vehicle to get people out before they expire. Or, even more insidiously, during an evacuation, disable and lock all vehicles, ensuring nobody is able to exit a city before a hurricane strikes. The hacking team that manages to do this to OnStar will be forever immortalized.

      And this already has happened on a smaller scale. Here in Austin a few years ago, a disgruntled employee logged into a used car dealership's system and disabled 100+ vehicles that were sold by that dealer, where they stalled in the road and started honking their horns. If a guy with a former employee username/PW can do that, imagine what a state sponsored group can do if/when they feel like that, especially with the mindset of most US companies being that security has no ROI.

      tl;dr, keep the remote kill switches. It is only a matter of time before that stuff gets hacked, and perhaps used for ransom ("pay us 2 BTC, or else your car will be disabled and your engine's ECU fried in 12 hours.")

  2. My first thought... by flargleblarg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's possible to lock someone inside a car — which is a really terrible feature, by the way — then how long before some car's AI flips out and drives off a bridge — into a river — with passengers inside...and locks the doors shut?

    1. Re:My first thought... by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 2

      Like the Will Smith version of I, Robot

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    2. Re:My first thought... by Calydor · · Score: 2

      The easy solution would be that the lock requires a current - with no current, hydraulics flip it to unlocked.

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    3. Re:My first thought... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, socialist scum. Happens all the time in Cuba, and totally wasn't invented in Germany and practised in the US.

      Fascinating how people yell all the time about "socialists" when things that doesn't happen in socialist countries happens in their own "democratic" countries. It's almost like they're talking out of their asses and need to learn a bit about corporatism and fascism. But that would require opening a book or two. Can't have that, it's socialism!

  3. Here's video footage by gijoel · · Score: 2

    I found on documentary called Robocop II.

  4. See??? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This incredibly rare set of circumstances is exactly why we should happily and unquestioningly give our freedoms and privacy away to corporations and to the government!

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    1. Re:See??? by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      This incredibly rare set of circumstances is exactly why we should happily and unquestioningly give our freedoms and privacy away to corporations and to the government!

      Not really that rare, this is just a variation on an old police tactic, bait cars. They have been a great success in Germany/Poland to combat gangs of Russian car thieves, and I'm sure in many other places too. I fail to see why this could not be done more often if the in-car systems has a manufacturer maintenance access point and the owner allows it. All you need is a positive signal from the seat detector used by the seat-belt alarm to makes sure your idiot is in the car, if there is a dash/driver cam, even better. Then you just have to be sure the car isn't moving which is where GPS and speedometer readings come in. Once you have that, you can lock the gopnik in the car until the cops arrive and lock his Russian ass up. If the thought of this makes you uncomfortable you are free to either get a car where the manufacturer only has access after you hand him a cryptographic key or just buy a car that cannot be remoted. My self, I'm not planning to break the law so I don't really care although if my car has have remote access although, being an- computer nerd, I'd obviously want the connection to be encrypted and secure.

    2. Re:See??? by sjames · · Score: 2

      You're missing the point. The mechanical possibility that the car can lock someone in is a safety hazard. Sure, it's great when it locks a car thief in on purpose, not so great if it locks someone in accidentally on a hot day or if the car has been in an accident (especially if it's on fire).

      It's not a theoretical matter, people have died that way.

  5. I call bullshit. by Heebie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pulling the door opener lever on the door of a car overrides the locking mechanisms. This is a fire-safety requirement. The guy was probably just still asleep when the cops found the car.

    1. Re:I call bullshit. by Hachima · · Score: 4, Informative

      The default behavior on BMW cars is that you have to pull the door handle lever twice to open it. The first pull unlocks thw door and it and the second pull opens the door. I've had passengers think they were locked in because while they pulled the handle once they couldn't open the door and I have to tell them to pull it again. I would be surprised if the guy was woken up by the SOS system with a CSR talking to him and he then pulls the handle once and thinks he is locked in since the door doesn't open. Then the CSR messes with the drugged up guy making him think he is locked in if there is any truth to the article and what was being said to him..

    2. Re: I call bullshit. by Hachima · · Score: 5, Informative

      Page 38 of the manual states "Do not lock the vehicle from the outside with people inside the car, as the vehicle cannot be unlocked from inside without special knowledge." So if the car was remotely locked this would be the case. The owner of the car could have initiated the outside lock with the BMW Remote Control App. You have to press the lock button from inside the car to allow someone from the inside the car to unlock it.

    3. Re:I call bullshit. by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The article is light on details as to how the emergency unlock got overridden - maybe the guy was just high and was tricked, but maybe BMW's double-pull safety/security feature gave them a window of opportunity that let them do this. If BMW were repeatedly sending the central lock signal to the car at a faster rate than the recently woken (and potentially also doped up) thief could do the double-pull, then perhaps that would be enough to keep the doors locked. We also have no idea from TFA how long they kept the doors locked for; it might only have been a few minutes, or possibly even less than that. It's entirely possible it was less than the time that the recently woken thief would have taken to gather hits wits and try something else like, say, opening/breaking a window and climbing out.

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    4. Re: I call bullshit. by locofungus · · Score: 2

      It stops people smashing a small window and then unlocking the door from the inside to get it.

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    5. Re:I call bullshit. by Waccoon · · Score: 2

      At an airshow, I once sat in a Corvette on display. The door latch will not open the door without battery power, and for some reason the power went out, so I got trapped in the car. An airshow attendant let me out.

      Only months later did I learn the emergency latch to open the door was on the floor. There may be an override for safety reasons, but it's not always obvious.

      Fun fact: at least one Corvette owner actually died in his car on a hot day since he couldn't figure out how to open the door.

    6. Re:I call bullshit. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      The article is light on details as to how the emergency unlock got overridden

      That's because there's no such thing as emergency unlock.

      There is the opposite though. A specific feature that prevents you from unlocking a car even if you have access to the lock button / mechanism or whatever, and that has been an anti-theft device designed to stop people from smashing a window and opening a door for a good 20 years now.

  6. Dangerous by stooo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People died while being locked in cars.
    Two examples are : car fallen in the water, and people sleeping in a car while owner and friend locked it. The owner came back after a long hot weeken, his friend was dead inside.
    Double lock is a dangerous feature.

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    1. Re:Dangerous by AK+Marc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That it's possible doesn't mean it's irresponsible to do it. People die in airplane crashes, that's not a reasonable reason to refuse all air travel.

    2. Re: Dangerous by Wootery · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nope. Slashdotters are generally nervous when it comes to corporate power of this sort. Brand isn't the deciding factor.

    3. Re:Dangerous by locofungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Door lock doesn't make any difference if the car is in water. You cannot open the door against the water pressure, locked or not.

      That's why, if you're in a car that falls into water it's essential that you open the windows before the electrics short out

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    4. Re:Dangerous by Aereus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Suppose it depends on the water depth. I know I'd rather not wait for the cabin to flood if I were sinking in a lake. You might be pretty deep before you could get the door open and try to swim to the surface.

    5. Re:Dangerous by stooo · · Score: 2

      Yep, when you let the dogs out, they kill you.

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    6. Re: Dangerous by Drethon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      who are you going to trust. have to trust some.

      I'll trust the company that leaves the decisions in my hands, rather than taking them away from me.

    7. Re:Dangerous by mjwx · · Score: 5, Informative

      Suppose it depends on the water depth. I know I'd rather not wait for the cabin to flood if I were sinking in a lake. You might be pretty deep before you could get the door open and try to swim to the surface.

      You more or less have to. The pressure difference means that you wont be able to open the doors. Its the same phenomena that prevents you from opening aeroplane doors mid flight.

      I believe that both Top Gear and Mythbusters did a segment on it.

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    8. Re:Dangerous by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

      I'd like a link to that source. I can't imagine a scenario where someone doesn't find the means to break glass and escape vehicle. I get that not everyone carries a safety knife with a glass breaker / seat belt cutter, but...being locked in a hot car and dying as an adult? Unless it has bulletproof windows...you're going to be able to ball your shirt around your elbow and shatter it.

    9. Re:Dangerous by Nunya666 · · Score: 2

      Door lock doesn't make any difference if the car is in water. You cannot open the door against the water pressure, locked or not.

      That's why, if you're in a car that falls into water it's essential that you open the windows before the electrics short out

      You can still open the door once the cabin is filled with water because the pressure has equalized. Granted, that assumes that you can hold your breath long enough to do that. As long as you unlock the door before the electronics short out, you'll be fine. See here for specifics: http://www.ehow.com/how_740940...

    10. Re:Dangerous by swell · · Score: 2

      Yes, dangerous! That's why my BMW has no doors or windows or tracking devices. Completely safe.

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    11. Re:Dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Best tip I ever heard for escaping a locked car - detach the headrest and smash the windows with the prongs (assuming you have detachable headrests...)

    12. Re:Dangerous by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      People died while being locked in cars.
      Two examples are : car fallen in the water, and people sleeping in a car while owner and friend locked it. The owner came back after a long hot weeken, his friend was dead inside.
      Double lock is a dangerous feature.

      Oh this wouldn't affect me. I am already dead inside.

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    13. Re: Dangerous by Drethon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To add to this, I personally much prefer the Boeing autopilot mentality over the Airbus autopilot mentality (I think they are still generally using this approach). The Boeing approach was the autopilot does its thing until the pilot wants to do something else. The Airbus approach was the autopilot will ignore the pilot if they do something dangerous. This is believed to have led to at least one crash when the autopilot prevented the pilot from taking action (there is however controversy over the actual cause ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      Fine if they want to tell me I'm doing something potentially suicidal and resist my attempts but I'm still not ready to have a computer take full control from me when it thinks it knows better. Maybe I need to just stop and trust the AI, but I've tested certified software going into airplanes, I'm not willing to put my full trust into it.

  7. Thank God! by war4peace · · Score: 2

    I'm glad it was a thief with doors. A doorless thief would have escaped.
    But I wonder how did they lock his doors remotely?

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  8. Oldsmobile invented this by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Their R&D center was located on Chappaquiddick Island in Massachusetts. After a tragic accident as a result of Soviet hacking, Oldsmobile closed the center in 1969.

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  9. Escape is easy by LaLLi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have never seen a "modern" car that doesn't have headrests. Those headrests can be detached and the metal spikes used to break the passenger windows.

  10. "Feature" has already killed someone by Solandri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The "feature" has already caused at least one death.

    Last week, a burglar pried apart some security bars at my business and squeezed in. He was able to make off with some stolen goods because once inside, he was easily able to open the locked exit door. Fire codes require that all building exit doors accessible to the public be openable from the inside even when locked. These laws were made after repeated fires with huge death tolls exacerbated by locked exit doors. That's what the bar on the door you press when leaving most restaurants and stores does. Even when the door is locked, pushing the bar from the inside will open the door. That way if a fire breaks out, you're not trapped inside because the only person who has the key was the idiot who started the fire and is dead.

    Same thing with refrigerators - both the old stand-up units which latched shut, and walk-in refrigerator/freezers used in restaurants. Too many people (especially kids playing) were dying after being trapped inside, that laws were passed requiring a mechanism which allows someone inside to open the latch on the outside.

    I don't see why cars should be any different. Yes easy egress makes thievery easier. But preventing that is just not worth the potential loss of life. Any car designer who thinks this is a good idea should be locked inside one of their cars on a sunny day until they admit it's a terrible idea. Heck, after dozens of kids dying each year after being locked in the trunk of a car while playing, we finally passed a law mandating a release mechanism inside the trunk. And some idiot car designer decides it would be a good idea to make it impossible for someone inside the passenger compartment to exit at will? Shame on BMW for trying to spin this to the press as a "helpful" feature.

  11. Re:How does this work? by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 2

    With my car, once it's been locked with the button on the key fob, after a certain amount of time, it deadlocks the doors - they can not be opened from the inside or outside without being unlocked. The unlock button on the driver's door will no longer function either after the car has been locked from the fob.

    This means I could, if I wanted to, lock the car with the windows partially down and after a minute or so the car would be deadlocked - even if someone reached in to open the door, they would be unable to.

  12. Re:Wildly Illegal by Hachima · · Score: 2

    They would have to prove the owner knew someone was in the car at the time of him initiating the locking of the car. If anything BMW would be held liable for requiring "special knowledge" in order to unlock the car from the inside when a lock was initiated from the outside. Someone has died in a BMW from heatstroke due to this behavior and nothing has changed in the behavior. So I suspect it is unlikely any changes are made as a result from this case.

  13. What danger ? by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In an emergency, you're supposed to be able to break a car's side windows.

    I supposed the "sun-cooked" guy had passed out (alcohol ? heat shock, while he was asleep ?) before realising he should get out of the car.

    I'm more surprised that the thief didn't try to break out of the car. But, on the other hand the lock has happened while he was napping inside the car, so he might not have realised what had happened and did not release he should run away as fast as possible before the police arrives.

    I would be much more worried about the remote disabling of the car :
    - was some form of owner's access required in order to do the disabling ? (i.e.: the owner's second fob is needed in order to validate the instruction to lock and ignore the stolen fob ?)
    - or does any sufficiently high executive at BMW have the power to shut down any random car ?

    Also : is the remote access limited to very simple instruction (locking doors and revoking fobs - which as mentioned above shouldn't be dangerous except under special circumstances) or can the car be remotely shut down while it is driving ?

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    1. Re:What danger ? by LordLucless · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'd probably cut your hands up pretty bad if you succeeded. I'd lie on my back and try and kick the windows out. Your legs have far more power than your arms, and you're generally wearing shoes.

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    2. Re:What danger ? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 3, Informative

      You'd probably cut your hands up pretty bad if you succeeded.

      Car windows are tempered glass. You might end up with a few scratches but it's not the bleed out scenario of normal glass.

    3. Re:What danger ? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Every headrest is detachable, and has the sharpish point that is supposed to be used in case of water entrapment. Older cars should have a screwdriver in the glove box. They are cheap.

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    4. Re:What danger ? by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hit car glass hard enough and they lose their temper.

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  14. Re:so what? by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't see why this is a story on Slashdot

    Then you must not be thinking of the children. Or terrorists. Oh, and don't forget about children and terrorists.

    This story sounds like nothing on the surface, right up until you realize that BMW can track their cars remotely and execute remote operations on them (this was just a teaser of their remote capabilities most likely).

    From hacking that system to legal "justifications" sans warrants, this is a privacy and security nightmare.

    But hey, carry on...nothing to see here according to the ignorant masses who have been trained that way. Simply because most "gadgets" these days are a privacy and security nightmare doesn't dismiss that fact, or the consequences.

    I for one was rather baffled over the keyfob left in the car. My 8-year old car would not automatically lock the doors if it sensed the keyfob inside, so I'm assuming the car was left unlocked with the keyfob. Fail all around.

  15. Remind me not to buy or rent BMW by fraxinus-tree · · Score: 2

    Not that I would in the first place.

  16. Re:Keep a hammer in the car by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    If you don't have a hammer the headrests can often be removed and the metal ends used to break the windows

  17. Re:so what? by Notabadguy · · Score: 2

    You're forgetting the child terrorists. And the childish terrorists. And the terrifying children. And the terrorists' children.

  18. See the Mythbusters on Youtube. Pointy object. Edg by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Mythbusters did a segment on this, and maybe a revisit. A pointy object certainly helps. Kicking with both feet can do it, though. The side windows are just tempered glass, not the plastic-laminated safety glass.

    On the other hand, tapping the EDGE of the glass, such as when trying to unlock the car with a coat hanger, can easily shatter the window. That happened to be and I didn't hit it hard at all.

  19. Re:What danger ? HAMMERTIME by redelm · · Score: 2

    Yes, hammers look like stupid overkill. But people die in flash floods, often of underpasses. How? If the car stalls out because the water is deeper than expected, you or weaker family members will not be able to open the doors due to water pressure. If you don't get the windows open (due to hard rain?) before the power to them dies, you will have to break windows or drown. Nasty progressive trap.

  20. So...who owns the car...? by evolutionary · · Score: 2

    This is a classic example of how even when you pay for a car, you don't really own it. (kind of like iPhones) Anyone could give any reason for "hijacking" the car. If the OWNER of the car could do this, okay. But this had to be done by BMW CORPORATE. Bit of a difference. Cars today should be scaring us. One has to assume any car with a remote lock can remotely imprison you. It's like that scene in the movie "Minority Report": you can be locked in your own car and "kidnapped" to whereever "big brother" (or smarter hacker using big brothers back doors) says you should be taken and that could create a LOT of havoc. We should seriously be rethinking this. You can say "big win against thieves" this is really a side effect, not the primary purpose. The real purpose, is to keep complete ownership of the vehicles and you in the hands of big brother + corporate. The obvious ability to be abused by government agencies and hackers alike don't matter to the creators or the governments that promote them. I wonder if Russian cars are implementing this feature yet. (Putin would LOVE it I'm sure). It's like that NSA information dragnet;it was never designed to protect the common citizen, just the common interests of those who already have perhaps a bit too much power already.

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  21. Government regulations require broken algorithms by raymorris · · Score: 2

    I've worked in government, where regulations forced specific security requirements. Because the regulations were based on some guy's understanding that was slightly outdated and slightly questionable at time they were written, they were completely outdated and foolish by the time we were following them.

    As an example, regulations require the use of MD5, though weaknesses were found in MD5 in 1996 and it was more completely broken in 2004-2007. SHA-1, SHA-2, or SHA-3 would be much more secure, but regulations require MD5.

    The federal standards relating to classified information are *better* at confidentiality though they don't account for the most recent threats, but they are wholly inappropriate for many tasks. They're also expensive and restrictive to implement because they require that each module by certified ("validated") which can take two years and several hundred thousand dollars - per module.

    If there's anything that can be done on the legal side which can actually work, I think it'll be around liability. If you sell a product or service that gets hacked, you're liable unless you can prove that you followed best practices. A problem there is apparent if you've watched a locksmith unlock a few things. I used to work as a locksmith, and most locks, locks that follow industry standards, take about 30 seconds to open (hack). The highest security locks you'll normally find are made by Medeco. They take many minutes, even an hour or more, to open without a key. IT security isn't completely different, there's no magic that will keep a skilled attacker from abusing a system.

    What we *can* do is harden systems against script kiddies and accidents - be sure that our systems don't allow employees to accidentally set our customer database to be directly accessible via the web, and our web site doesn't crash when John O'Reilly registers because he has an SQL "quote" in his name.

    I've been doing information security full time for twenty years and before that I studied law. I don't see any clear way that law can improve information security much. Attempts to do so may well just make things more expensive, and possibly no more secure.

  22. Your car, their jail by Cartotype · · Score: 2

    This seems like the kind of thing that should have been a chapter in Doctorow's "Car Wars" short story.

  23. Re:Not good... by tibit · · Score: 2

    There is always a mechanical override, it's a part of car safety laws in most western countries, U.S. included. Summary is wrong, possibly the article too.

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  24. Industry Wants Auto theft by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    We've had the ability to virtually eradicate auto theft since the 1970's. There's only 2 ways to steal a car, drive it or tow it. Locking brake systems immobilize vehicles rendering them immovable, thus virtually unstealable. However, for every vehicle stolen, another is sold. (the replacement), so auto industry lobbyists have fought hard both hide this fact and ensure no laws are enacted. All other electronic gadgets are just distractions.

  25. Re:What danger ? HAMMERTIME by omfglearntoplay · · Score: 2

    Good advice. Sadly, car manufacturers should have a manual old school override in all the cars today to let you roll down a window without power. Even if it just on one of the four doors, it'd help.