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YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Microsoft Will Create 'Hash' Database To Remove Extremist Content (reuters.com)

bongey writes: Youtube, Facebook, Twitter and Microsoft are teaming up to create a common database to flag extremist videos and pictures. The database is set to go live in 2017. The system will not automatically remove content. Reuters reports: "The companies will share 'hashes' -- unique digital fingerprints they automatically assign to videos or photos -- of extremist content they have removed from their websites to enable their peers to identify the same content on their platforms. 'We hope this collaboration will lead to greater efficiency as we continue to enforce our policies to help curb the pressing global issue of terrorist content online,' the companies said in a statement on Tuesday. Each company will decide what image and video hashes to add to the database and matching content will not be automatically removed, they said. The database will be up and running in early 2017 and more companies could be brought into the partnership."

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  1. and tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they'll censor whatever the fuck they want to.

    1. Re:and tomorrow by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This slope is so slippery that there is no possible way to move any direction but down.

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    2. Re:and tomorrow by Zandamesh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This slope is so slippery that there is no possible way to move any direction but down.

      The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand, and instead shifts attention to extreme hypotheticals. Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will in fact occur, this fallacy has the form of an appeal to emotion fallacy by leveraging fear. In effect the argument at hand is unfairly tainted by unsubstantiated conjecture.
      source: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.c...

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    3. Re: and tomorrow by taskiss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the problem with your reasoning is that content isn't an issue yet you insist it is. Sticks and stones don't exist virtually, it's just bits and bytes.

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    4. Re: and tomorrow by spire3661 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point is Liberty is more important than censorship. If you have to choose, always side with Liberty.

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    5. Re: and tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep. Liberty, independent thought, seeing "the whole picture", etal are the very things the pro-censor folks absolutely do not want to happen because they don't have control and control of the "discussion" is what they want to serve their own ends. It's a bad idea all the way around.

    6. Re:and tomorrow by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem with this reasoning is that it avoids engaging with the issue at hand

      The issue at hand is that a bunch of companies are joining forces to control what you are allowed to see, and are starting off with one of the biggest boogie-men available to them as their reasoning for doing it.

      Perhaps you thought that there was a more important issue here?

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    7. Re: and tomorrow by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Extremist meaning content actually calling for immediate violence against others, or just being against safe spaces, multigender pronouns, and other nonsense like that?

      Whatever they want it to mean.

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    8. Re:and tomorrow by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So we are back to personal responsibility and vigilance, instead of trusting a free content host not to enforce its terms of service?

      Yawn. It's not censorship, you're playing in their yard, and you are free to start a competitor if it seems like they overstep.

      I'm okay with this until tales of abuses show up, and then I'm judging each side accordingly. Until then, there's nothing to do but spread the information.

      And the first loon to cry censorship is an ignorant ass, not the first of your slippery slope.

    9. Re:and tomorrow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is censorship, it's just not illegal censorship. If all major media companies started to censor certain controversial positions, they could certainly shape discourse and have a negative effect on society - there's no reason to not acknowledge that huge potential downside simply because they're presently within their rights to curate what they present to people or help people find.

    10. Re:and tomorrow by Zak3056 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yawn. It's not censorship

      Yet another person who believes "censorship" means "first amendment violation." This is absolutely censorship, though it's "acceptable" because:

      you're playing in their yard, and you are free to start a competitor if it seems like they overstep.

      They're perfectly free to censor their content, it's their house.

      And the first loon to cry censorship is an ignorant ass

      I won't call you an ass, but you are the ignorant party here. That's not something to be proud of.

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    11. Re: and tomorrow by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      While it's true that these companies can set whatever policies they like, it does not mean these they are not doing harm to liberty in the society as a whole. One of the most difficult aspects of liberty is defending it from those who use theirs to attack it.

  2. Perceptual or cryptographic hash? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only 1 bit has to flip to create a mismatch on a cryptographic hash check, and if this system is widespread, doing so will become standard practice.

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    1. Re:Perceptual or cryptographic hash? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      I'm wondering which they will use. A perceptual hash greatly increases the chance of a false positive but greatly decreases the chance of a false negative. A cryptographic hash virtually eliminates any chance of a false positive but allows media files to be trivially altered to get a false negative.

      One is a real solution and the other is somewhere between a basic effort and a symbolic effort.

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    2. Re:Perceptual or cryptographic hash? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Check out Google's reverse image search. It can handle lossy recompression, scaling, contrast/colour changes etc. Their web search can cope with slight changes to text.

      Of course it's not perfect, but they say they will have a human review every post and image, so at least the false positive rate should be fairly low.

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  3. This is so profoundly dangerous! by phamNewan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My guess is that pretty soon they will create a Social Credit Score like China is putting in place. Then anyone who disagrees can instantly be silenced online. http://www.wsj.com/articles/ch...

  4. Re:So by admin7087 · · Score: 2

    People are stupid [...] I would send stormtroopers out regularly to round them [terrorists] up into camps.

    Speaking of which...

  5. What is your problem? by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they'll censor whatever the fuck they want to.

    Dude, WTF? Wake up. ... It's freakin' FACEBOOK! They can and could always do whatever the f*ck they want! With your content, with your data, ... they could eben change their TOS to allow them to superimpose everyones portrait on animal porn images and there'd be nothing for you to do about it other than delete your account and and all your data and hope that no one downloaded those images to their computer or other parts of the intarweb.

    I'd say FB and Twitter curbing hate-propaganda is actually the lesser evil. People who are dumb enough to post such stuff on FB are probably best kept from doing serious harm. To others *and* themselves.

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  6. Multiple use technology by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I'm sure many of you have had the same thought but there is no way in hell this would be used merely for "extremist" content.

    First off good luck consistently defining extremist. Sometimes it's obvious but sometimes it's a matter of perspective. There is no bright line test.

    Second, sometime "extreme" viewpoints are merely sane ones being suppressed by another group. Fifty years ago people arguing peacefully for civil rights for minorities were considered "extremist" by our own government.

    Third, you know for a fact that what this will actually be used for is cross site protection of copyrighted material that has nothing to do with any extreme viewpoints because the technology has more than one use. But it's easy to develop it to ostensibly combat "extremism" and then quietly use it for other purposes.

  7. Re:Show of hands by coinreturn · · Score: 2

    of everyone who thinks this system will ever only be used to flag and filter " extremist " content.

    While I realize this will be a global system, I'm curious how this will butt heads with the First Amendment in the United States as this will inevitably be a system that will censor information that is embarrassing or uncomfortable to the chosen few who will decide what is " extremist".

    So tired of everyone not understanding what the First Amendment is. Go read it. It's short and sweet. I'll even give you a hint: "Congress shall make no law..."

  8. Re:No different from China by coinreturn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tell me how this is any different than what China does, then. You might as well have a Ministry of Truth.

    I'll be glad to tell you the difference. In China, the censorship is from the government; this article is referring to private businesses. Clear enough?

  9. The debate is over. by rmdingler · · Score: 2
    They're already doing it:

    Twitter suspended 235,000 accounts between February and August this year and has expanded the teams reviewing reports of extremist content.

    This is merely a mechanism to share what one mega-company has found "extreme" with another.

    If we're really lucky, this will cause some folks to (shudder) lose a bit of respect for these places people spend their lives.

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  10. Re:Show of hands by dnaumov · · Score: 2

    I'm curious how this will butt heads with the First Amendment in the United States as this will inevitably be a system that will censor information that is embarrassing or uncomfortable to the chosen few who will decide what is "extremist".

    This won't butt heads with the First Amendment in the slightest, because the limitations it applies only applies to government entities, not private ones. You have no right to free speech on somebody else's private platform. They decide the rules and you are free to not use their service.

  11. Boy, am I going to be busy! by MinistryOfTruthiness · · Score: 2

    So any network gets to censor something, and they automatically censor it across other networks! I love it! ...As long as I get to drive.

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  12. Re:So by invid · · Score: 2

    Let the free market do it's job. If social media platforms try to filter out propaganda, create social media platforms that don't filter out propaganda. See which ones the people prefer.

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  13. Re:So by invid · · Score: 2, Funny

    The issue is people will choose to go with whomever filters content they don't like and promotes content they do like even if it is wrong.

    Just look at fox entertainment news.

    To be fair MSNBC does the same damn thing.

    Exactly. And the info bubbles will become info force fields. So you'll have two populations, one that is skewed slightly left of reality, and the other that is skewed to an alternate dimension where Donald Trump is competent enough to be President of the United States. Oh wait, we already have that.

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  14. Dissent will be fake news by deecemobile · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say goodbye to free speech on the internet. This all started because democrats lost the Presidency and painted "fake" news as the scapegoat. Who will decide what constitutes "fake" news? Google, Facebook, etc - giant left-leaning entities that have massive control over people's internet experience and the information they access. I can see dissenting view points increasingly characterized as "fake" and effaced.

    1. Re:Dissent will be fake news by DogDude · · Score: 2

      These companies have nothing to do with free speech. You can say all you want on the Internet. Whether anybody else will give a shit or hear you is another question, altogether.

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  15. Re:No different from China by KiloByte · · Score: 2

    In China, the censorship is from the government; this article is referring to private businesses. Clear enough?

    As the Jakov Smirnoff joke goes, "In Soviet Union, the government controls the corporations".

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  16. Re:Show of hands by invid · · Score: 2

    I find it ironic, and kind of funny, that someone modded this down. If everyone had a right to have everything posted on social media we couldn't have a mod system to restrict viewing of their posts.

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