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Comcast Raises Controversial 'Broadcast TV' and 'Sports' Fees $48 Per Year (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Comcast's latest price hikes include a significant increase in the company's widely despised "Broadcast TV" and "Regional Sports Network" fees. The Broadcast TV fee is moving from $5 a month to $7 a month, while the Regional Sports Network fee is rising from $3 a month to $5 a month, according to notices sent to customers in several cities. Combined, that's a change from $8 to $12 a month, giving Comcast an extra $48 a year from each customer that has to pay the fees. Comcast began charging these fees a few years ago, which have risen quickly. Just over a year ago, Comcast raised the Broadcast TV fee from $3 to $5 and the Regional Sports fee from $1 to $3. The two fees have thus gone from $4 to $12, combined, in little more than a year. Comcast customers recently sued the company, saying that Comcast falsely advertises lower-than-actual prices and then raises rates by tacking on these two fees. Comcast falsely portrays these fees as being required by the government, the proposed class action lawsuit said. Charter is facing a similar lawsuit. Comcast says the fees recover a portion of the price it pays broadcast networks and regional sports networks to air their content. But paying for programming is simply part of the cost of doing business as a cable TV provider, and programming costs have always been passed on to consumers in their cable TV bills. By charging fees separately from basic rates, "Comcast has found a way to secretly and repeatedly increase the monthly price it charges for its channel packages" even when customers are supposed to be getting a flat rate during a contract term, the lawsuit said. The Broadcast TV fee was introduced in 2014, initially as $1.50 a month, and the Regional Sports fee was added in 2015 at $1 a month. Comcast charges the sports fee even though it owns many of the regional sports networks that broadcast sporting events in local markets. The price increases were reported by TVPredictions and DSLReports, and customers have been posting letters they received from Comcast detailing the price changes.

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  1. This is fair by youngone · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Comcast (and the other US regional monopolies) have spent an awful lot of money to dominate the markets they operate in.

    These fees are just one way they have to claw those costs back.

    Another method is having State Governments pass laws stopping cities and towns from operating their own networks in competition.

    1. Re:This is fair by cdrudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No one is saying that it's not fair for Comcast et al to charge what they need to in order to make a profit. The issue is they advertise say $39.99 for some package but then it comes with the extra fees that should be included in the advertised price as they are just the cost of doing business. If the advertised price is $39.99, it shouldn't actually cost $39.99 for the content.

      This isn't even considering all the extra taxes and fees that go beyond their cost and get passed on to various government bodies.

    2. Re:This is fair by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, bribing politicians ain't cheap.

    3. Re:This is fair by youngone · · Score: 2
      It's really not cheap, and the money they pay is not considered bribes. Paying to get the laws you want is how the US system works.

      The Supreme Court says so and they ought to know.

    4. Re:This is fair by ProzacPatient · · Score: 1

      Another method is having State Governments pass laws stopping cities and towns from operating their own networks in competition.

      NC was one of those states and honestly in my opinion it is, if I am understanding it properly, a violation of article i sec. 34 of the state constitution. Unfortunately anybody who might have standing hasn't brought suit against the state; such as a resident of Wilson, NC perhaps or even the city itself. I also feel this section of the state constitution would apply to our ABC Liquor law which is a state run monopoly, but again nobody has challenged it.

    5. Re:This is fair by emaname · · Score: 1

      And what most of the population doesn't understand is THIS ACTIVITY by business (ie, "paying to get the laws you want") is actually what "big government" is. Granted there are inefficiencies and some unnecessary regulations, but, I believe, the bulk of the "big government" complaint has to do with all the laws the big corporations are getting passed without the general population being aware. The cable companies, big ag, pharmaceuticals, etc have all been doing this.

      The "big government" complaint is actually misdirection on the part of the corporate community and their lobbyists. They want us to think the government is wasteful and so we must remove safety net programs and cut educational funding. All these efforts do is create a general population of desperate people still trying to find opportunity in this country while large business gets to use the "invisible hand of the market" as an excuse to suppress wages and benefits while shipping what were good paying jobs to other countries.

      Note that I've seen other people discussing this (ie, big business getting laws made to protect their interests) on the "start a petition" web sites.

      I can't remember the last time I was allowed to have any input on a law passed by congress much less vote on it. Just as "regulatory capture" happens to regulatory agencies in the marketplace, our government has been captured. Now we have legislators for hire.

      Consider how net neutrality is at risk. Those of us who understand why it's important have NO chance of preserving it. Especially now with the new admin about to take over. I can imagine the internet provider CEOs drooling and panting with anticipation about how they are going to extract even more profit from the general population once they kill net neutrality and take total control of the internet.

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    6. Re:This is fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The issue is they advertise say $39.99 for some package but then it comes with the extra fees that should be included in the advertised price as they are just the cost of doing business.

      What's more, you can't even make them tell you what the actual price is. I've tried this several times:

      "When you say this is $45/month, is that the amount I will be writing on the check?"
      "No, there are additional regulatory fees and taxes."
      "And how much are those?"
      "It varies by region, and don't have your specific information."

    7. Re: This is fair by MTBaldwin · · Score: 1

      Simply get a antenna for your local channels and ask the cable company you don't want to receive the local channels...Oh, right, the cable company doesn't offer that option...

  2. Verizon does this too by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Verizon recently introduced a $2.80 (plus taxes) fee for my FIOS router, which they claim is old -- and to "support it" they need this monthly fee.

    Never mind that this is their equipment to start with. Now, my choice is to pay the fee every month or buy a "new" ($70) router, with no guarantee that they won't pull this exact same stunt next year.

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    1. Re:Verizon does this too by radish · · Score: 1

      It's a little different with FIOS because the router handles various video related functions (e.g. PPV) and acts as a MoCA bridge (the ONT sends the data signal over MoCA rather than cat5 in the default configuration). It can be done, but it's kind of a pain. In my mind, the only knock on an otherwise great service.

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    2. Re:Verizon does this too by radish · · Score: 2

      Mine broke (started getting lots of packet errors leading to corrupt downloads) a while back and they replaced it with a new one. Would be a shame if something happened to yours...

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    3. Re:Verizon does this too by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 4, Informative

      Verizon recently introduced a $2.80 (plus taxes) fee for my FIOS router, which they claim is old -- and to "support it" they need this monthly fee.

      I got the same warning of the impending 2.80 fee to support old routers. I was on 15/15, which was a holdover from signing up years ago. Since it was nearing time to to 'renew' my contract, I checks the options. It wound up being 10.00 cheaper per month to upgrade to 50/50 - and since I was upgrading to 50 or higher they gave me a new quantum blah blah router free of charge.

      So to avoid the 2.80 fee I wound of with faster service and a new router for 10.00 less. If you are on a 'contract agreement' with verizon, you can upgrade or renew that contract at any time.

    4. Re:Verizon does this too by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      It's incredibly simple to have a customer owned cable modem. Maybe your provider changed from DOCSIS 2.0 to 3.0 and it's time to get a new modem, but generally speaking, I'm staring at a cable modem right now that I own and don't pay a monthly charge for. Most cable company's even publish a list of supported models, yours included.

      In fairness to the original complainer, it's much, much more unlikely to use your own gear with FIOS. Especially if your FIOS includes a non-Internet service.

    5. Re:Verizon does this too by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      I had a very old DSL router. My ISP made some configuration change that caused it to stop working. Normally they'd charge a rental fee or tell me which router I can buy myself, but since they essentially broke the old one, they sent me a new modem for free. As a bonus, my DSL speeds tripled.

      Needless to say, my ISP is not Verizon, Comcast, or AT&T. Sorry to be the weirdo with a story about an ISP acting decently.

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    6. Re:Verizon does this too by houghi · · Score: 1

      I have only once used a router from a provider and that was as a tester for ADSL when they where rolling it out in Belgium.
      After that? Never!
      I just buy the thing and do with it as I please. I bought it from them and now it is mine to do with as I please. I do the updates. I set the passwords. I plug it into the wall.
      And they had no problem with doing that.

      In the past I had once a cable provider and I had my own network card. They came to install it and I was nice enough to have Win95 installed, so they could do their thing. (Win95 was the latest version). All they needed to do was look up the MAC address to have it configured on their end. Took them about 40 minutes, but whatever.

      When he was gone, I just replaced the PC with a router contected to several Linux machines. This was not officially alowed, hence the Win95 machine. Called in my new MAC adress and was done probably before the technician stepped into his card.

      My network, my hardware. Pretty simple when you think about it.

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  3. Easy way to increase profits by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wall Street investors want year-over-year profit increases. It is far easier for Comcast to just raise these fees (which really should be a part of the quoted price for the cable TV package) than it is for Comcast to spend money on things that make its customers happy (like quality customer service) and more willing to buy more Comcast products.

  4. Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The best way to opt out of these fees is not to pay Comcast ANY money and switch to just watching content from streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and YouTube!

    1. Re:Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by surfdaddy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would cut the cord but my only high speed option is the same shitty company that I get cable TV from. And they've priced their options such that cutting the cord doesn't save that much. Oh, and of course then data caps are coming into vogue to ensure that you don't get too excited about those streaming services or have "unlimited" data. Which means you are going to pay them yet again for overages, or more per month to get rid of the caps. And that price will keep going up.

    2. Re:Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I would cut the cord but my only high speed option is the same shitty company that I get cable TV from. And they've priced their options such that cutting the cord doesn't save that much. Oh, and of course then data caps are coming into vogue to ensure that you don't get too excited about those streaming services or have "unlimited" data. Which means you are going to pay them yet again for overages, or more per month to get rid of the caps. And that price will keep going up.

      Look into getting a 'business' connection. Most places don't really require you to show much official business documentation....but you can get truly unlimited internet, no caps AND you can run servers if you want.

      I have one from Cox cable, have for a couple decades now...$69/mo...decent up/down speeds, works for my needs both with servers and my TV streaming.

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    3. Re:Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by swb · · Score: 2

      I added business internet as a separate billed service several years ago to a residence with residential cable television. Like you said, it's great, no caps and I get static IPs, too.

      Of course, it's still just one cable to the house. I'd drop cable television service but my concern is that my internet will get lost in a bureaucratic clusterfuck if they do something "standard" like physically disconnect the cable that runs to the house. Left hand and right hand not in sync.

      I did the closest thing, cut back to the most basic TV service possible (which I think is like $12/month or something). If the fiber providers would calm the fuck down and offer static IPs without charging $400/month, I might consider dropping it completely.

      I've been half-ass tempted to run a cloud-hosted pfsense instance with a static IP and run that as a VPN back to my house (with fiber internet). I've built that config in a lab and it worked, actually.

    4. Re:Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Look into getting a 'business' connection. Most places don't really require you to show much official business documentation....but you can get truly unlimited internet, no caps AND you can run servers if you want.

      I looked into switching to a Comcast biz connection not long ago. For the connection itself, Comcast wanted a $300 installation fee, and a one-year contract. The fee went down as you committed to a longer term, down to $100 for a three-year commitment. If you wanted static IPs, you had to use their cable modem at $7.00/month on top of $25/month for a /29 netblock. Right now, I've had AT&T 12/1 business service for about four years, which costs me $65/month including the statics. The service sucks, but there aren't any caps, they finally have decent IPv6 support, and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than Comcast.

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    5. Re:Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      if they do something "standard" like physically disconnect the cable that runs to the house.

      It is no longer standard to physically disconnect the cable. The service is all controlled by smart devices and encrypted (for Comcast, certainly). It costs way too much to have someone actually come around the house to make a change anymore. They want to avoid having to do that. The industry was consistently burned by "pencil-whip disconnects" (when the service agent would report the connection was cut when he was really just off drinking coffee), to the point that one cable company I was involved with had to do a physical system-wide inventory of connections and was hindered in prosecuting theft of service because they couldn't prove the thief had re-connected the service and not just innocently plugged into a hot cable.

      If the fiber providers would calm the fuck down and offer static IPs without charging $400/month,

      Most dynamic IPs are relatively static, and you can get free dynamic DNS to deal with it anyway. If you already have a domain name, you can add the dynamic host name as a cname to your DNS servers, which should be other than your home system anyway.

    6. Re:Best way to opt out? Streaming Services! by houghi · · Score: 1

      That is expensive. I pay 350EUR per month and that is including the copper. To be fair I do not have the 100/20. I have 30/10 as I am too lazy to do some proper cabeling inside my house. Otherwise I would have 70/20.
      Unlimited and fixed phone (that I have yet to set up on my router)
      I do not have a fixed IP. That would cost 65EUR per month. Yes, 30EUR for a fixed IP address. And I can still get to my servers with Dynamic DNS that is still free at various places.

      I do not watch TV anymore. Just not worth it, so I have not moved from one evili company to one that is nice now.

      Every 2 to 3 years I look if there are better options available and I changed just now contract with my provider for a cheaper contract and I lost the extra account I needed to pay for copper.

      There vare several copper providers I can go to. At least 3 will give unlimited traffic and all ports open. Not sure about the rest.

      There is only one cable provider and they are 75EUR if you want unlimited with 20/200 connections:10/100 will give you 200GB per month. They also block several ports that should be open for me.

      In Europe this is by no means cheap. Many in other countries will be a lot cheaper.

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  5. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You will pay. You will not complain. You have no rights against the all-powerful CORPORATION. Unless you incorporate yourself.

    I'm not free to cut the cord?

  6. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

    Actually, you are free to choose from a variety of alternate programming, including none. Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you pay for TV at all.

    Or does making wildly false claims make you feel morally and mentally superior ?

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  7. This is no surprise by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, I live in a market with cable alternatives to Comcast/Xfinity. Their service is unreliable, their rates are extortionate, and their customer service makes it preferable to deal with Cthulhu. I ditched them ten years ago as soon as there was an alternative, and I have no regrets. My impression was that they regarded me as an enemy rather than a customer.

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    1. Re:This is no surprise by gtall · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...I ditched Comcast for Satan (FIOS) several years ago. Comcast never seems to have stopped offering their undying love for my return since. I'm not convinced they really love me.

      Satan isn't great. However, their tech support in India seems to be okay. I've contacted them 3 times and was satisfied. There's a small glitch in their TV, some static. I haven't yet gotten together the balls to deal with their support since the fellows in India cannot fix it: "Could you reconnect your coax for us, again?" "Yes, Goddamn it for the 30th time. And no it doesn't fucking happen with my DVD. Yes, sure, I'd be happy to fuck off a day from work to wait for your tech to come at 5pm."

      Like the fellow up above, they started me at $99 and then slow-cooked my ass up to $186. I complained and they did me a "favor" of backing it to $150. And then I had to get the new fucking router which seems just like the old router but (my guess) with new FPGA code, which they could have done from Hell but it was more fun charging me the $70 or so. Satan is a hard dominatrix who likes to treat her captives with "strictness".

  8. Re: Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

    Except that who provides your internet? Ah, those same companies! And what can you do without internet? Not much.

  9. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Nobody is holding a gun to your head making you pay for TV at all."

    Ultimately, someone may be. Those under contract, who paid for service at a specific rate are now seeing price increases to the service being disguised as government mandated "fees." Stop paying before the contract ends, and ultimately the full force of government law enforcement (which includes guns) may come into play.

    Yeah, it's a stretch in the real world, but so is claiming that such people have a real choice. Do you "you feel morally and mentally superior?"

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  10. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Informative

    You will pay. You will not complain. You have no rights against the all-powerful CORPORATION. Unless you incorporate yourself.

    I'm not free to cut the cord?

    ...or switch to Satellite TV (which I've done for *years* now... )

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  11. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by tsqr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    TFS: "Comcast began charging these fees a few years ago, which have risen quickly. Just over a year ago, Comcast raised the Broadcast TV fee from $3 to $5 and the Regional Sports fee from $1 to $3. The two fees have thus gone from $4 to $12, combined, in little more than a year."

    So, a practice that started "a few years ago" and has continued over the past year, has what to do with Trump?

  12. Always blaming the wrong guy by Revek · · Score: 1

    Its time for the yearly rate increases. Its the time of year when contracts need to be re-upped and content providers want more money for the same content. They don't offer one more hour than they did previously and lets face it, the shows are all about the same in the end. Content providers want more money every time and the cable companies pass it on to the consumer. But if you want to bitch about Comcast and other cable companies go ahead. What do you expect them to do? HBO has stopped offering contracts and is betting on its direct to the consumer streaming service. Pretty soon all those scrubs who ditched cable will discover they are having pay twice as much to get the same content they were getting from cable. But please don't let me stop you from blaming the wrong people for the way things are.

    1. Re:Always blaming the wrong guy by garcia · · Score: 2

      Pretty soon all those scrubs who ditched cable will discover they are having pay twice as much to get the same content they were getting from cable.

      Sorry, but as someone who dropped CATV/SATV in 2008 due to the cost increases and has never looked back, I don't pay double for content; I simply don't consume anything that's non-free outside of what I choose (Netflix).

      I mean, when you cut the cord you expect there will be content losses. I don't know of anyone who opts out of TV subscriptions that expects to somehow save money while keeping the same amount of content.

  13. Re:Broadcast TV fees are ridiculous by tsqr · · Score: 1

    The OTA channels actually benefit because, for any number of reasons, it can be difficult to pick up their signal. Plus their ratings increase through the use of DVRs.

    Except the broadcasters aren't all that happy about viewers who fast forward through their commercials.

  14. Next they will impose a fee reporting fee by dunkindave · · Score: 1

    I can see it now - they will stop itemizing your bill, and if you request an itemized version, there will be a hefty fee for that. Figure out how to charge someone who tries to figure out the charges. Brilliant!!!

    (For the sarcastically impaired, yes, I know federal laws and regulations require the itemization)

  15. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I'm actually getting ready in the next couple of days, after I watch the last couple items off the DVR....to cut the cord on ATT Uverse.

    This is the exact kind of crap that should really drive folks to do this.

    I figured my set up....

    For local channels, I set up an indoor HDTV antenna (you can find these on sale, I got mine at Wally Worldmart for $79). I put this up on a pole in my house and works great. I had to get this, in order to get our local PBS (WYES) that is still on VHF, and is very hard to pull in with other antennas. Otherwise, I'd recommend one of the Mohu Leaf HDAntennas. This one worked great except for my local PBS and I like some shows on there.

    I bought a Tivo Roamia OTA 1TB DVR to act as my local channel tuner. It comes with included lifetime guide service. Worked great out of the box.

    The only drawback of the Tivo unit, is that the Netflix and Amazon Prime streaming which it also does (and searches across), the front ends are horribly laggy, but for OTA needs, it is amazing.

    For my streaming needs, I got the Amazon FireTV.

    I got this over the FireTV stick for its extra computing power. It streams VERY well Netflix, and Amazon Prime (4K on these too). AND...the power was needed for my streaming app that solves my "cable network" needs.

    I did Playstation VUE. I got the 70+ channels package for $35/mo. It has all the ESPNs (I like during college football season), all the cable news I want (MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, etc), and channels like TCM, TBS, Nat'l Geo, FX..etc...

    It also has built in DVR functionality, which makes it great for catching the Walking Dead on AMC to watch at my convenience and skip commercials.

    The Fire TV is powerful enough to use the VUE guide....Roku 3 and PS3 could not use the guide very well at all.

    So, this is my living room.

    For the other TVs in my house (bedrooms, office), I set up a bit of networking for those.

    I set up Tivo Minis to stream from the main unit into each bedroom, for DVR and live HD tv. The main unit has 4 receivers, so you can watch different stuff in each room. I also have an Amazon FireTV for each other room, so I can watch streaming or VUE cable channels in each room. Again, each can be watching different things.

    The Tivo Minis don't work wirelessly, and I also found the FireTVs don't work as well wireless as they do wired.

    So, for each room I have Ethernet over AC....and a little TP-Link switch there too.

    So now..everything hooks up nicely, and I dropped from $113/mo for UVerse to $35/mo with VUE.

    I figure in about 8 mos I'll break even on the new hardware.

    So far, the only caveats....my house has some less than optimal wiring, I think leftover from Katrina rework problems. At times, my Tivo has problems with slow network, but not that often. Also, setting up the Tivo minis...it has to go through Tivo Centrals computers before it can get recognized by your main DVR unit. This is a horribly thought out, PITA...but if you register your Mini online with tivo 24 hours before you hook it up, and then you have the main unit phone home a few times while trying to sync them , it will finally work. They need to fix that. I almost gave up on it, but once it syncs..works as intended and I live the Tivo guide and user interface. Auto commer

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  16. Easy solution: Cut. The. Cord. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No TV, no phone from your cable provider. Internet only. You can live without TV. Really. Even sports. Try it and you may be surprised.

  17. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    Well, some of us have real jobs and disposable income unlike yourself apparently.

    :)

    I do have the above, and it was only a few hundred dollars and easy to set up.

    I just listed it in case others wanted to jump in, and save them a few steps of research in what works very well for me.

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  18. Communications by backslashdot · · Score: 1

    The cost of communications keeps going up and up. Don't really know why. Fucking monopolies.

  19. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by tekrat · · Score: 2

    Actually, NO, it is not free to cut the cord. I tried to cancel my service with verizon which I've had for at least 7 years and they want to charge me $70 to cancel, claiming I have a "contract", which they are in violation of for raising my rates from the $99 per month to $146 per month with no service upgrades whatsoever.

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  20. Cancel these services- it's that simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't feel sorry for the majority of people. You guys put us in this boat by voting in politicians that push for big government and regulations that have created these monopolies and eliminated choices in the market that may not have been so manipulative. I'm going to remind you how this went down and where these monopolies came from. Back in the 1980s and 1990s when cable companies started rolling out services municipalities granted exclusive rights for lengthy periods of time. The cable companies argued that they had to recoup their investment and they couldn't do that if there was competition in the market place. The problem is when you put in monopolies they never go away. You just guarantee that more regulation will later be needed to stem the ever increasing costs. What municipalities should have done was refuse to regulate and open the market to competition instead with rates for access to polls and such at the cost of maintaining said polls. There is already going to be a limit in what the market can handle so charging excess fees to connect does little more than raise funds for other projects that shouldn't exist and hinder competition.

    Cost to connect my neighbour to fiber despite that fiber is *already* nearby and there is a local junction box in which to connect? $17,000 USD and that's a steal compared to what Comcast is asking in many areas. I've seen $60-80,000 quotes. Comparatively the cost to connect me to fiber was only $3,000 one time fee. Why was it so much higher for my neighbour? The poles are licensed already so despite that they had to run a lot of fiber to connect me and it would be significantly less for my neighbour the charge from the city greatly increased the cost to absurd levels.

    The only way we're going to solve these sorts of issues is liberty-minded people who believe in private property and the free market get together in one place to eliminate laws where the are no victims. If there is no violence, fraud, coercion, or theft there should be no law against it. The poles should be readily accessible at cost for those who wish to provide services to the towns residents and on reasonable conditions to provide fair competition in the market. They should be treated like the roads we all drive on.

    If you want more personal liberty and a free market you should join us in New Hampshire. The Free State Project and the Shire Society (may be more appetising for anarchists) among other organizations, individuals, radio shows, and groups are organizing in a decentralized way a migration for liberty. Thousands of people are fleeing tyrannical governments across the United States and around the world to help us eliminate the state to whatever extent we can manage.

    We aren't against charity, we aren't conservatives, we aren't republicans, we aren't democrats, we aren't socialists. We don't believe the government has any authority over what we can put in our bodies or who we can marry (or even how many people we can marry). We don't want to build a wall. We want the freedom to travel without hindrance of government permission slips. We want the freedom to conduct business without intrusions on our livelihoods. We don't believe in copy"right" and intellectual property. We don't buy into the hype that we need a state police or even any policing at all. We believe we can develop solutions to security issues outside of a theft-by-state paid monopoly. From free apps for smart phones like Cell 411 which enable people to reach out to friends, family, and neighbours to volunteers for help in emergencies to commercial security services (including neighbourhood patrols). Detroit's gone bankrupt and can no longer maintain decent response times. It's resulted in private security service companies being setup to replace government policing. We believe by ending these socialist programs we can increase individuals personal assets across the board. If we eliminated all taxes peoples incomes would roughly double. The vast majority of us would be able to take care of our own health, retiremen

    1. Re:Cancel these services- it's that simple by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Back in the 1980s and 1990s when cable companies started rolling out services municipalities granted exclusive rights for lengthy periods of time.

      Not all municipalities granted exclusive franchises. All of the ones I've dealt with have been non-exclusive from the beginning. Federal law has now prohibited exclusive franchises, and has for such a long time that any existing ones would have long ago been renewed as non-exclusive. The only reason there are defacto monopolies today are due to economic, not legislative reasons.

  21. Before you rip on Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Remember that these fee increases are driven by the spiraling costs the content providers are demanding, especially the sports networks.

  22. And don't forget about the other fees.... by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

    Right of Way Use Fee - $1.05
    FCC Regulatory Fee - $0.08 (not a government imposed tax)
    HD Technology Fee $9.95

    On top of that. I have six televisions. It would be an extra $50 a month just for set top box rentals.

    If you use their router it's an extra $10 a month.

    And if you want unlimited internet it would be an additional $50 a month.

    Luckily, I have AT&T as an option (I never thought I would be saying that). $70 a month for unlimited gigabit internet - no additional fees or taxes. I have 4 Roku boxes and three 3rd gen AppleTVs connected to my TVs and my house is wired for Gig-E.

    I subscribe to Netflix, Hulu, and Sling and I have an Amazon Prime account (Amazon Video). My total TV cost is Round $50 a month plus whatever you want to allocate toward the cost of an Amazon Prime subscription to Amazon video.

  23. Broadcast TV opt-out options should be required by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

    In some ways cable companies get the same rap as insurance companies for costs largely beyond their control. This of course is not to excuse Comcast for playing games with HOW that cost is recorded and associated indefensible marketing schemes which essentially lie about actual prices and fuck over those on contract.

    Used to be broadcasters were thrilled to get as many eyeballs as they could to tune in as bigger audience translated into more advertising revenue..at some point long ago cable stopped being dominated by access fees and is now dominated by carriage fees. Now even local broadcasters who broadcast the same signal over the air for free to anyone able to receive it are in the business of extracting carriage costs from cable and satellite providers just because they feel they can get away with it to make more money.

    The FCC never said cable companies were REQUIRED to carry local stations for a price other than FREE. Consumers should have the right to opt out of the local crap and should not be forced to pay if they don't want it. I can throw up an antenna in the Attic for $30 and an hour of my time if I want local channels.

    Price insanity is particularly egregious given cable/sat industry is on the brink of becoming the next home telephone/portable cd player.

  24. Yeah, but broadcast TV? by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

    How much can they be paying broadcasters who...broadcast their content for free? The cable co is giving them more eyeballs to sell to their advertisers, the broadcasters need their access as much as the cable cos need their content. I doubt they're jacking up their fees...would be interesting to see some real data.

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    1. Re:Yeah, but broadcast TV? by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      How much can they be paying broadcasters who...broadcast their content for free? The cable co is giving them more eyeballs to sell to their advertisers, the broadcasters need their access as much as the cable cos need their content. I doubt they're jacking up their fees...would be interesting to see some real data.

      Quite a bit. The theory being if U-Verse offered CBS, NBC, FOX and ABC, but Comcast offered CBS, NBC and ABC, most people would switch to U-Verse. So therefore, there's a value to the retransmission. Especially since some people can't receive it OTA easily, and most people don't want to deal with antenna, and most people don't want a two input solution.

      It's the same thing that limits the number of potential customers to Vue, DirecTV NOW, Sling, etc. Lack of locals in many markets. Lack of interest in antennas and input switching.

      It will change, rapidly, but for now, that's the lay of the land.

    2. Re:Yeah, but broadcast TV? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      The cable co is giving them more eyeballs to sell to their advertisers, the broadcasters need their access as much as the cable cos need their content.

      Back when this was the working theory, there was something called "must carry". A broadcast station would demand that the local cable company carry their signal instead of having to pay them to do so. The cable company could find another source for the content and ignore the local station if they wanted, otherwise.

      Now that broadcast stations know they can get the cable companies to actually pay them, must-carry is a less-used option. If a station invokes "must carry", then they cannot demand money for the retransmission rights.

      Why can't the cable just claim they are retransmitting stuff from over the air? Two reasons. In many cases, the most usable source for the content is a direct feed (not OTA), and in the remaining ones it is because the OTA content is licensed for non-commercial use. Cable companies just retransmitting it without a contract would be infringement.

  25. Seems pretty simple by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just ask them to remove local channels and local sports from your cable package. Buy an eternal VHF/UHF antenna to pick up those channels. Yes your TV will look retro like something from the 1970s. Who cares, you look at the screen, not the antenna.

    If Comcast lets you remove those channels, then you won't have to pay the fees and you'll make back the cost of the antenna in a few months. You can pocket the savings every month thereafter.

    If Comcast says you can't remove those channels, then they've basically admitted that they are falsely advertising their prices. If there's no way to remove a fee from the price, the fee is a part of the price, not an optional add-on. And they will lose the lawsuits and be forced to include these fees in their advertised prices.

  26. Mislableled fees by Ryanrule · · Score: 3, Funny

    They are actually 'Fuck you" and "fuck your mother too"

  27. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by hawguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    You will pay. You will not complain. You have no rights against the all-powerful CORPORATION. Unless you incorporate yourself.

    I'm not free to cut the cord?

    ...or switch to Satellite TV (which I've done for *years* now... )

    If it takes years to switch to Satellite TV, who would wait that long?

  28. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by BronsCon · · Score: 2

    Whose Comcast account login are you using to validate your session? If your answer is "nobody's", I hate to break it to you but you're using someone's honeypot and all of your internet activities while connected to that router are compromised; a real xfinitywifi AP will only serve you the gateway login page until you sign in.

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  29. Comcast... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    ... would not even be in business any more if even a large percentage of their customers felt they had any other choice.

  30. Re:Why do people put up with this? by gtall · · Score: 1

    Lemme guess, you are under 40, yes? You still have friends that can play and not collapse from overheating, or whose wives and sproggs let them out of the asylum long enough to play?

  31. Re:Broadcast TV fees are ridiculous by PPH · · Score: 1

    Except the broadcasters aren't all that happy about viewers who fast forward through their commercials.

    Which is what I already do with their OTA broadcasts.

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  32. Their systems are designed to overcharge. by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    Comcast's billing systems are clearly designed to overcharge.

    I recently returned a rented cable modem because I bought my own. I can log into Comcast's account page and look at "Devices" and the rented modem is no longer there.

    Yet they still billed me for the rented modem. How can their systems know that I don't have the modem, yet continue to charge me for it?

    I expect that, if challenged, they would claim that there are two separate systems that don't interact properly and their agent simply did not do his job when I returned the equipment, but why maintain two systems? Why not make them interact better? Probably because mistakes like this almost always work in Comcast's favor, so they have an incentive to not fix the problem.

    Someone has taken a decision to not fix a problem that screws up frequently and almost always benefits Comcast. Design can be implemented through concious inaction as well as action. After all, fixing the problem would improve productivity.

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  33. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    If you use XfinityWifi, you are either using it on a free temporary pass (some restaurants do that) or you are a Comcast customer using your own login.

    But either way, Comcast uses your device MAC to determine what you are allowed to do. So even if you aren't logging in, they still know it is you and that your device is associated with your account, mainly so the bandwidth you use on an XfinityWifi hotspot is counted against your bandwidth cap.

    None of this has anything do with Comcast TV.

    If you want TV and sports, get Kodi and an IPTV package for ~$10-15 a month and you'll get hundreds of channels including all the pay channels, porn, sports, and more. It does use a lot of bandwidth so you need the 1GB Comcast cap level.

    $10 too much? There are freeTV options via Kodi. Anyone into any sport can probably find a free feed there.

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  34. Fuck off Comcast. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    And this is why I have internet only.

    Fuck off and die Cable TV companies. Fuck off and die.

    M 100mbps for $40 month gets me everything I need.

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    1. Re:Fuck off Comcast. by raind · · Score: 1

      And if you qualify for there internet essentials package it's a win also.

      Friend of mine get's that and ota tv, there's no shortage of content, unless you want mlb games

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    2. Re:Fuck off Comcast. by tginouye · · Score: 1

      I'm in that sucky "I want MLB games" group. Waiting/trying to see if there's a way to get my team on the streaming services, but with Comcast owning the rights to the sports network, I wonder how expensive it'll be.

  35. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    Well, I hope you never find out you can use Kodi and an IPTV package that blows away everything you are doing. Because you'd have to undo all you have done and probably be very sad about how much overspending and overthinking you did.

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  36. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whose Comcast account login are you using to validate your session? If your answer is "nobody's",

    Nobody's, because Comcast doesn't block ICMP.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICMP_tunnel

  37. Re:Broadcast TV fees are ridiculous by PPH · · Score: 1

    I can remember when cable systems were nothing more than community antennas. And the local broadcasters begged to get on them because otherwise in hilly areas not many people could receive them. Then they got greedy and had congress enact a law that required cable operators to pay them to carry their content. So now Comcast is being honest and recovering these costs from their customers. Next step: Make the local broadcast package optional and see how many people will just drop it.

    Look up the definition of "hoist with his own petard." In this case, I'm siding with Comcast.

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  38. Where I am Satelite costs the same by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    as cable TV. Meanwhile as my options to watch online content increase so does the cable Internet bill needed to support them. It's pushing $70 now. It was $40 when I started. And net neutrality just died with our last presidential election. That means you won't see you're cable bill going up because they'll be charging Netflix $10/mo per user for access.

    You're only option is to stop consuming. That sounds good on paper, but TV brings people together. How much water cooler talk is about TV? How much Ice breaking? It's part of our shared culture, and if you're not in, you're out. Try talking to your Boss about the last great book you read and see his eyes glaze over and him look down his nose at your 'elitism'. We Americans at least don't like elites...

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  39. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by xlsior · · Score: 2

    If the terms and conditions change, it gives you the right to cancel your contract without being subject to early termination penalties

  40. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by msauve · · Score: 3, Informative

    Welcome to the real world, most of us don't live in Theory. What you claim is only true if you have a lawyer on retainer. Otherwise, say goodbye to your credit rating and more.

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  41. Re:Why do people put up with this? by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Maybe its your area but in my city there are pretty active rec leagues for all sports. You create a team of your friends or alternatively join a team looking for people.

  42. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    Where can you buy a legitimate IPTV package?

  43. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Well, I hope you never find out you can use Kodi and an IPTV package that blows away everything you are doing. Because you'd have to undo all you have done and probably be very sad about how much overspending and overthinking you did.

    I have downloaded Kodi on my FireTV, but haven't found much to do with it yet....

    A friend of mine had one set up on a Fire Stick...and all it seemed to be good for was a bunch of live TV feeds from Eastern Europe, lots of stuff out of Russia, etc.

    I'm not sure what IPTV is, but will look into it.

    I didn't spend all THAT much money...but I did want to balance out geeking out myself and my time and want for something not all cobbled together that doesn't work very well or have a nice clean interface. Sound and picture quality are important to me, so what I have so far seems to fit the bill and only cost a few hundred to put together for the whole house.

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  44. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by tginouye · · Score: 1

    I salute you for having to balls to do it! As stupid as it sounds, I keep delaying doing something like this because "I can't justify spending that all now", even though I'll end up spending that and more on my Comcast service. My wife and I just have an issue dropping $X at once, even if we'll be spending $2X over time. It's stupid, but I'm glad there is a reasonable setup out there. I'm getting ready for a cable cutting though, by checking antenna placement around the house so we can maximize our TV channels. (I live in Oakland, CA, so it's pretty cool when I can get Bay Area Channels, as well as one or two from Sacramento) My biggest thing is finding someone with reasonable high speed internet and with a reasonable data cap (or none at all) Once I can get that, I may finally just go for it.

  45. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by theskipper · · Score: 1

    Nice writeup. Just wanted to mention that an alternative for those without PS hardware is a raw Sling TV subscription. It goes for $20/mo (+$5 for sports) and runs seamlessly on the FireTV as an app. The interface isn't too bad and definitely passes the wife test.

    Btw, I also run Kodi sideloaded on the FireTV despite Amazon's attempts to bury it. Its gets used as a media center for displaying my ripped DVD movies from Netflix for watching later. But it's also a great interface to my mythtv box and HDHomerun tuners. So it's not really useful for viewing OTA within the interface (for that just switch to the native TV's tuner), but it serves as a DVR interface to the mythtv backend for broadcast recordings. The mythtv backend shares duty as a NAS so the hardware cost wasn't one-off for just that purpose.

    2 cents.

  46. Re:Broadcast TV fees are ridiculous by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

    I can remember when cable systems were nothing more than community antennas. And the local broadcasters begged to get on them because otherwise in hilly areas not many people could receive them.

    They didn't have to beg very hard. "Must carry" rules said they had to be carried for free.

    Then they got greedy and had congress enact a law that required cable operators to pay them to carry their content.

    Uhhh, what? Any broadcaster that wants to be paid for their content does not get to invoke "must carry", so the cable operator is not required to carry them. Broadcasters do not get to demand carriage and payment at the same time.

    So now Comcast is being honest and recovering these costs from their customers.

    The issue at hand is not that Comcast is justified in recovering these fees, it is that they are listing them as line items outside the normal service fee. The latter is what they advertise.

    Make the local broadcast package optional and see how many people will just drop it.

    Not a lot. It is really inconvenient to deal with two sources (cable and OTA), especially when DVRs are included in the system. And for some people, myself included, OTA signals are really poor and limited. I get PBS perfectly. If I want to change from ABC (intermittent at best) to FOX/MY/CW I have to physically rotate the antenna, and there is no signal strength meter in my fancy TV to tell me when I'm pointing it the right way. NBC is even more fiddly to get, and I've never gotten an OTA CBS signal. The downside to the whole system is that the TVs don't allow you to simply specify the channel you want to tune to, they have to go through a scanning process to figure out where the channels are and what they are called. ("Channel 8-1" is usually not where "Channel 8" used to be; it can be anywhere in the allocated spectrum.)

  47. F*ck Comcast by Bob_Who · · Score: 1

    F*ck Co mcast - F*ck Com cast = F*ck Comc ast + F*ck Comca st * F*ck Comcas t & F*ck C omcast ^ F*ck Co mcast % F*ck Com cast $ F*ck Comc ast # F*ck Comca st

  48. Billing for a modem rental by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I recently returned a rented cable modem because I bought my own. I can log into Comcast's account page and look at "Devices" and the rented modem is no longer there. Yet they still billed me for the rented modem. How can their systems know that I don't have the modem, yet continue to charge me for it?

    I can top that. I am a Comcast customer and I own my own cable modem. I've never rented a modem from them at any time. But last month what do I see on my bill but a rental fee for a modem. I also got a notice from them telling me that my modem is obsolete and that I need a new one from them. My modem is a DOCSIS 3.0 modem and always has been and no service that would require DOCSIS 3.1 is in my area. Comcast knows what equipment I have (or they should since they set it up) and it hasn't changed in 5 years. But that didn't stop them from trying to slip in some charges for renting equipment I never rented from them. Douchebags...

    I'd consider going to another vendor but Comcast is the only realistic option where I live. My only other "high speed" internet provider is Frontier Communications which offers substantially slower DSL connections.

  49. Still need internet service by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The best way to opt out of these fees is not to pay Comcast ANY money and switch to just watching content from streaming services like Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime and YouTube!

    Since Comcast is my internet provider and is the only realistic option for internet in my area, exactly how do you propose I cease paying Comcast any money? Streaming doesn't solve that problem. It allows me to pay them less but I spend more on my internet connection than on cable. You have to have internet service to stream and there are no other service providers in my area worth mentioning.

  50. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    Just wanted to mention that an alternative for those without PS hardware is a raw Sling TV subscription

    I actually tried SlingTV first....and found that it didn't have built in DVR, and the channel offerings weren't as good as VUE.

    The new ATT DirectTV NOW streaming thing just released is interesting looking...but won't have DVR on it till after we're into 2017.

    The nice thing about these is...no contract, if one looks better, change....

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  51. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    I might advise, if you are a home owner, just get a good sized antenna and put it on the roof, you'll pull in everything OTA. I eventually plan to do that myself.

    If you can't put on roof (and I think local laws now can NOT prohibit you from this after the move to digital OTA)...put antenna in attic...you can have it feed all your TVs natively, or to a central TIVO like dVr box like I described and have it stream throughout the house.

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  52. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by BronsCon · · Score: 2

    Huh, you might want to try that again. It may have worked in the past, but Comcast currently passes no traffic out of the xfinitywifi jail, which you must sign in to get out of.

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  53. Limited options to play by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Why don't more people go out and play sports, instead of sitting on a couch and watching somebody else have fun?

    Because the options to play sports for people who aren't children or professionals are rather limited. In my sport of choice (wrestling) it's rather difficult to compete in any meaningful way after college if you aren't an elite athlete. Even if you have the time (which can be challenging if you have a career and/or family) there is basically nobody to practice with and few events to enter. Some sports are easier to participate in as an adult (running, cycling, etc) but most aren't. I coach my sport but I haven't wrestled a competitive match since the early 1990s when I was in college.

    There also is the fact that actually playing sports is a lot of work. Sitting on the couch and watching requires zero effort and carries no chance of injury and still can be pretty fun. You don't have to block out hours of time which can be nigh impossible if you have any family responsibilities or a spouse that doesn't share your specific interest. You don't need anyone else to watch with you to be a spectator either which is not true for a lot of sports. Unless you are lucky enough to live in an area that happens to have adult rec leagues in your sport of choice then you are kind of out of luck. A lot of the fun of sports is the camaraderie with the people you do it with. Most sports are social activities at some level.

  54. Not available here by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Maybe its your area but in my city there are pretty active rec leagues for all sports.

    "All sports"? I very much doubt it is true for all sports. Maybe there are for the sports you care about but I very much doubt you have leagues for quite a few sports. The options for adults tend to be rather limited even in the best of circumstances. I don't even need to know where you live to know that there isn't an adult rec league in your area for my sport (wrestling) because such a league simply doesn't exist anywhere. The best I could do would be to do something like train at an MMA gym or judo dojo but it's not the same sport.

    Even if you live near a major city with lots of rec league options not every sport has such options or is compatible with the life of a busy adult. Most places in the US do not have much in the way of rec leagues for adults available. That's certainly true near me unless I want to drive a considerable distance and play a sport I don't have any interest or skill in.

  55. Re: Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    If you have a fancy new TV with HDR you may want to look elsewhere. The Fire TV doesn't do HDR. It's also limited to 30Hz at 4K, which doesn't currently matter for Netflix or Amazon Prime but does mean that you can't see a tiny amount of YouTube content in its full 60Hz UHD glory. A Roku Premiere+ or Roku Ultra would be better bets.

    If you have a 2015 or earlier UHD TV or a new model without HDR, the Fire TV works very well.

  56. Re:Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

    Local laws can't prevent you from putting up an OTA antenna unless you are in a historic district. But if you live in an apartment or condo it's another matter. You can't be prevented from putting an antenna outside your own window but it may not be effective in that location, and the people who control the building are not required to give you access to a roof location where it might work. City dwellers often don't have a clear line of sight path to the broadcast stations in any case even from the roof, and reflections off other buildings create a multipath nightmare, so OTA reception may not work reliably.

    Things should get better for urban populations if ATSC 3.0 is ever adopted. It is abandoning 8VSB modulation in favor of OFDM, which is much more resistant to multipath interference. We should have done that in 2000 when Sinclair Broadcasting petitioned the FCC for that change (the cost would have been small at the time because HDTV receivers were not yet widely available) but the FCC rejected it.

  57. Broadcast TV fee is older by DewDude · · Score: 1

    Comcast only startes telling people about the broadcast TV fee. The fact is cable companies have had to pay for broadcast TV since 1992/3. Don't blame Comcast or Trump for this....this went down during Bush 1.

  58. Re:Broadcast TV fees are ridiculous by PPH · · Score: 1

    They didn't have to beg very hard. "Must carry" rules said they had to be carried for free.

    I'm talking about the way things were before that law was passed in 1992. When cable TV systems were largely community antenna systems, they had the option to carry or not carry local broadcast stations. In a few cases, the CATV operators would actually charge broadcasters for the privilege of being on their cable. Broadcasters didn't like this and got a law passed which says if they want a cable system to carry their programming, the cable system must do so. But for free. Broadcasters have the option to request licensing fees for their content, but that triggers a clause in the law which gives cable companies the option to drop them.

    Not a lot. It is really inconvenient to deal with two sources (cable and OTA),

    Your problem, not the cable systems. They are providing you with a service to make your TV watching life easier. The least you could do is to pay for it. And broadcasters have been riding on the cable companies coattails for free as well. Much of the reason that you don't get decent OTA reception is that the broadcasters haven't bothered to maintain equipment suitable to cover their assigned areas, or installed repeaters to fill in dead spots. They can force the cable companies to carry their content (meanwhile whining that the cable systems are getting 'free' content) and leave fringe areas unserved.

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  59. So adding fees is ok because competing costs money by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what is meant by "comopetition" when it comes to the larger ISPs in the US, because they go out of their way to make sure they will have as little of it as possible.If anythng the fees are probably an attempt to adjust for all the cord-cutting.

  60. Re: Welcome to Trump's America Inc. by MTBaldwin · · Score: 1

    What the hell does this have to do with Trump, they have been pulling this shit for years. And they're perplexed as to why so many people are cutting the cord...