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Uber Self-Driving Cars Hit the Streets of San Francisco (go.com)

Uber is bringing a small number of self-driving cars to its ride-hailing service in San Francisco -- a move likely to excite the city's tech-savvy population and certain to antagonize California regulators. From a report on AP: The Wednesday launch in Uber's hometown expands a public pilot program the company started in Pittsburgh in September. The testing lets everyday people experience the cars as Uber works to identify glitches before expanding the technology's use in San Francisco and elsewhere. California law, however, requires a test permit for self-driving prototype vehicles, and Uber does not have one. The company argues that the law doesn't apply because its cars require a human backup. Uber has a history of testing legal boundaries. Although the company has been around less than a decade, it has argued with authorities around the world about how much of its drivers' histories should be covered in background checks and whether those drivers should be treated as contractors ineligible for employee benefits.

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  1. Bad choice of title? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Seems like using "self-driving car" and "hit" in the same sentence might be a bad combination.

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    1. Re:Bad choice of title? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      At least they didn't miss the streets...

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    2. Re:Bad choice of title? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, if there is anything that needs driverless cars, it is "The Streets of San Francisco". The drivers here are out of control. They are driving on the train tracks! The effing train tracks!

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    3. Re:Bad choice of title? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uber Self-Driving Cars hit Me in the Streets of San Francisco!

    4. Re:Bad choice of title? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Karl Malden and Leslie Nielson and early 70s cars bouncing down the Frisco hills. What's not to like?

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    5. Re:Bad choice of title? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, that was my first reaction. Unfortunately, the less funny and real story is this:

      The company argues that the law doesn't apply because...

      Typical Uber, huh? I'm always torn when discussing Uber. I dislike the entrenched monopolies of taxis and love the idea of Uber, but damn, those guys really represent the worst of Silicon valley in terms of ethics.

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    6. Re:Bad choice of title? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only that the drivers are today the ones that will be hit. They are fading their own demise. I believe that self-driving cars will replace all drivers in 10 years. But this also shows how people can't do what's best for them collectively, and always end up in the worst possible equilibrium.

      If they were any smart, they'd also switch to Lylft, and ask Lyft to promise to no use self-driving for 10 years. Uber would implode if very driver could follow this. But they can't. They are in for $100 from the next two rides. Uber, on the other hand, can defy regulations, do risky things, and when it succeeds become the next Fortune 10 company in logistics, not just rides.

    7. Re:Bad choice of title? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Seems like using "self-driving car" and "hit" in the same sentence might be a bad combination.

      It's a 17 second clip from LA but this seems obligatory:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1ZSGGTcE74

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    8. Re:Bad choice of title? by pritiarrora · · Score: 1

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    9. Re:Bad choice of title? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Karl Malden and Leslie Nielson and early 70s cars bouncing down the Frisco hills. What's not to like?

      Michael Douglas?

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    10. Re:Bad choice of title? by susanrichard · · Score: 1

      Under California law, it doesn't matter if there is a person sitting in the driver's seat or not. If the car is in "autonomous" mode (self-driving), then the manufacturer must get a testing permit. Uber is full of shit here and is likely trying to get around the $5 million dollar insurance requirement that California imposes on manufacturers testing autonomous vehicles on public roads.

  2. Test Permit? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

    requires a test permit for self-driving prototype vehicles,

    It is like the human test permit? Where you can flat out fail but they go "eh, we're backed up. Don't do that thing you failed for again". Can you goad it into violating the rules of the road because "They won't work for this intersection" like my BMV employee had me do?

  3. Uber Self-Driving Cars Hit the... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> Uber Self-Driving Cars Hit the Streets of San Francisco

    Better than the pedestrians, amiright? Is this thing on?

  4. No they didn't by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    No they didn't. These cars actually have TWO drivers in them. Stop with the self-driving cars hype. They don't exist.

    1. Re:No they didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they didn't. These cars actually have TWO drivers in them. Stop with the self-driving cars hype. They don't exist.

      So .... one guy sits back and watches the other drive and tells the passenger that the car is "self driving"?

    2. Re:No they didn't by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      They have an actual driver, and an engineer in the other seat watching the guy drive and who can also take over when the car is about to crash.

    3. Re:No they didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, the final version that us FULLY self driving will come with a three driver requirement.

    4. Re:No they didn't by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      No they didn't. These cars actually have TWO drivers in them. Stop with the self-driving cars hype. They don't exist.

      Well of course they can't drive by themselves until they are 16.

    5. Re:No they didn't by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

      can also take over

      And if that occurs 'never' then is the car self driving or not?

      If you ride a bike with training wheels are you not riding a bike? What if the training wheels never touch the ground?

      Self driving cars are coming, they're already here.

      You can continue to shout that water isn't wet but it doesn't mean these cars aren't coming.

    6. Re:No they didn't by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      IF that occurred 'never' then we would already know it.

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    7. Re:No they didn't by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      How long have these been running around PA? Other than the one going the wrong way down a road how many of them have just worked as intended the entire time?

    8. Re:No they didn't by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Fist bump, my brother.

    9. Re:No they didn't by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I don't know they don't publish that information. I can only assume they must be attended frequently.

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    10. Re:No they didn't by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I can only assume

      So you have literally zero evidence. Just your speculation. Based on how wrong you've been about "how" these cars work I'm more confident they're doing fine.

    11. Re: No they didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen these cars in my neighborhood. One occupant, not two.

    12. Re: No they didn't by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      How fast do these things travel? I think I remember a top speed of 35 mph? Seeing as most humans could drive for 5 years and not get into an accident at that speed, I'm not really sure if there is anything to prove here. They would at least need to go for that long without touching the wheel for anything to be relevant, and yet here they are messing around with two drivers per car.

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    13. Re:No they didn't by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      Self driving cars are coming, they're already here.

      You can continue to shout that water isn't wet but it doesn't mean these cars aren't coming.

      We've had self driving cars since the mid-nineties (see history of self driving cars on wikipedia). In spite of all the technology advances SDCS have not improved by much in the last two decades. What makes you think that they will improve in the next five years?

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  5. Even better for hookups by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    No doubt every car will be its own LLC or a franchise owned by a separate person or stock company. Otherwise aren't they liable and if they own the fleet aren't they a taxi company? But driverless cars will be better for hook ups. Do the seats fold down? Though I guess they will need to have a camera on you the whole ride. (else vanadalism). maybe they will let you ride for free provided you let them stream your sex act to UberPorn amateur channel.

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    1. Re:Even better for hookups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want to fuck in a car like a chimp and make uber watch it.

  6. Good. Be very very careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, just don't fuck it up and ruin it permanently for other players with the regulatory authorities by setting a bad precedent.

  7. You thought automation would kill driving jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But instead it creates them. Self driving cars need two times more drivers than regular ones. Isn't future exciting?

    1. Re:You thought automation would kill driving jobs by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Automation DOES create jobs!

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  8. Yes they did by tomhath · · Score: 1

    The two guys in the front only take over if necessary to avoid a crash; but the car will drive itself most of the time. So they are self-driving.

    1. Re:Yes they did by Catbeller · · Score: 1

      Image a game you watch being played by the computer instead of you. The joystick moves, apeing the computer's decisions. You can override if the character does something idiotic. Now, how long til your brain shuts off, and you react too late when the character runs into a sword.

      Now: imagine it's a car. You are in it. Your hand hovers over the wheel, trying every second to outguess the computer. You have a quarter second to react. You fail. You die.

    2. Re:Yes they did by ColdSam · · Score: 1

      How many idiotic things does the human playing that video game do that the computer would easily avoid? How many times does that human back up over a ledge or blow himself up with a rocket straight into a wall?

      Your analogy fails to prove whatever point your trying to make. A bot controlled player would kick your ass 99 to 1 at whatever game you're imagining, but you will surely gloat over how superior you are when you get that 1 kill/point.

  9. What about the CEO doing hard time in san quentin by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    What about the CEO doing hard time in san quentin when that unpermited car messes up?

  10. LLC or a franchise owned will not save them crimal by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    LLC or a franchise owned will not save them in an criminal case and if uber try some EULA or NDA to not give out logs / let an Third-party exports / the state look at the code / logs then it can be contempt of court.

  11. Security by craigminah · · Score: 1

    How long until we hear that there is no security built-in and these cars can be remotely operated from haxors?

    1. Re:Security by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Uber: "But laws about computer security don't apply to us!"

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    2. Re:Security by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Uber: "But laws about computer security don't apply to us!"

      And to judge by Uber's absurdly high valuation, nor do the laws of common sense.

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  12. Click bait: just put "driverless car" in title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wash, (don't) rinse, repeat.

  13. Yikes! by Rudisaurus · · Score: 1

    Time to break out the popcorn, sit back, and watch the fun on Lombard Street

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  14. doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Under California law, it doesn't matter if there is a person sitting in the driver's seat or not. If the car is in "autonomous" mode (self-driving), then the manufacturer must get a testing permit. Uber is full of shit here and is likely trying to get around the $5 million dollar insurance requirement that California imposes on manufacturers testing autonomous vehicles on public roads.

  15. Re:What about the CEO doing hard time in san quent by Catbeller · · Score: 1

    Ho ho. A CEO in prison.

  16. Doomed to failure. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least in some areas. There are areas of any city where these cars will be vandalized or stolen (whether just the wheels or the whole thing).

    But I'm sure they'll have some use in theme parks such as Disney Land (no more waiting for a tram to the park).

    Likewise, a 40 ton truck is never going to be unmanned. There's too much risk involved for safety as well as the cargo being stolen. That said, some self-driving features could be used to make it safer/better (an automated system to help with turns might work well).

  17. prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the first of many headlines that say
    "self driving car hits..."