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India Just Flew Past Us In the Race To E-Cash (backchannel.com)
New submitter mirandakatz writes: Since India's prime minister banned 86 percent of the rupee notes in circulation last month, citizens have been waiting in hours-long lines for ATMs. But these circumstances have also created an unexpected progression: a burgeoning cashless economy. At Backchannel, Lauren Razavi explores how India is now beating many Western countries in adopting mobile payments, and how demonetization has triggered a radical shift toward reimagining India's enormous informal economy as a data-driven digital marketplace. From the report: "Before last month, Paytm, a mobile app that allows users to pay for everything from pizza to utility bills, saw steady business -- it was processing between 2.5 and 3 million transactions a day. Now, usage of the app has close to doubled. 6 million transactions a day is common; 5 million is considered a bad day. Rather than being forced to idle away time in excruciatingly long lines, 'people are proactively exploring other ways to settle payments besides cash,' says Deepak Abbot, senior vice president at Paytm. 'Now people are realizing they don't need to really line up, because merchants are starting to accept other forms of payment.' All of this has created a newfound system that practically incentives mobile payment. With so many people queuing up at banks every day -- and a lot of Indian bureaucracy to wade through in order to open a traditional bank account or line of credit -- the appeal of more convenient digital alternatives is easy to understand. According to a report in the Hindu Business Line, as many as 233 million unbanked people in India are skipping plastic and moving straight to digital transactions. 'Cash has lost its credibility and payments are no longer perceived in the same way,' says Upasana Taku, the cofounder of Indian mobile wallet company MobiKwik, which reported a 40 percent increase in downloads and a 7,000 percent increase in bank transfers since demonetization. 'There's chaos at the moment but also relief that India will now be an improved economy,' she says."
That's a race I don't want to win.
The summary makes it sound like losing access to cash is a good thing, as long as it can be replaced by a number on a server in all cases. It is not.
Who's "Us"?
Apple Pay itself eclipses all of those numbers. 3 million transactions a day is nothing.
You cashless society morons are staring at the wreckage of India's economy and thinking "boy, this sure sounds like a great idea, I can't wait to try it!"
Note that the socialist utopias are moving to e-cash.
I'll keep my dollars, thanks. No need to bother the tax man every time I buy something from a local vendor.
As long as you didn't drive to said vendor on a government-funded road under government-funded street lights using gas that was purchased from a government-inspected pump (so as to make sure that you pay for a gallon and get a gallon) then sure. Don't bother paying the same sales taxes that the rest of us pay.
Drill baby drill - on Mars
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Republicans don't trust Democrat administrations, and Democrats don't trust Republican administrations.
And some don't trust either.
Because computer security and how it seems to universally suck.
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
Who the fuck is "racing to e-cash"?
"Cash has lost its credibility"
To whom? Bureaucrats? Banks? The NSA?
This sounds very much like that contrived "Internet of Things" we're supposed to all need.
-Styopa
India has devalued its largest denomination bills by surprise, in an attempt to get folks in the "black economy", and this even means professionals like doctors, to account for their cash and stop avoiding taxes. Everyone has a very short time to deposit the old bills in a bank, or lose their value.
The problem with this is that because it was a surprise, India did not print new bills first, and does not have the capacity to print them at anything near the number required.
So, right now many businesses are shut down because they can't pay their employees. It seems that it was the case that these employees were paid in cash and might not be able to get bank accounts.
Their economy is going to take a hit.
Bruce Perens.
If they now devote some resources to developing their infrastructure, the rest of the world will start taking them seriously.
Here's an article from earlier today that would seem to disagree with a basic assumption of this story:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
You are welcome on my lawn.
This idea that you can't buy something without the government knowing about it leads to the inevitable you can't buy something without the government approving of it. This fear of not being able to trade freely has been around for a long time. The bible had the mark of the beast.
Before the government can steal something and give it to you,
You mean like how the government paid for networking research that lead to the internet? Or how they fund basic science research with grants that private companies would never do? And then the same companies just take the research and make money off of it. Brilliant innovation. Socialize the losses, privatize the gains. Yay Capitalism !
Meanwhile in the real world, it's evil capitalism that gets things done.
Said the person commenting on a SOCIAL website where people congregate under a SOCIAL contract for a COMMON goal to SOCIALLY and FREEly exchange ideas. But perhaps you're the special kind of ayn-rand-boot-licking prick who invoices their friends and peers for giving them your time.
Such a blinkered, narrow view. Did Capitalism protect those inventors from having their inventions stolen by those with more resources, or was it the socialist patent office that helped them out? For that matter, did capitalist forces keep their countries safe from invasion so they could work without concern for marauders coming over the hills to kill them and take their resources?
If you don't believe that you are tracked on other purchases you are not doing any homework. Donate to the wrong event or charity and suffer the consequences. Legally you can donate to the Political Party of your choosing, but is that action truly protected. How about donating to the wrong author, artist, public speaker, etc..? Ever see how Professors in Universities get treated when it's revealed that they are Republicans? They may not be fired directly, but you bet your ass that they are censured and ostracized. Plenty of examples for you to find if you look.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That's a race I don't want to win.
Agreed.
There seems to be a general war on cash.
Australia is talking about getting rid of the $100 note.
Europe is limiting cash transactions.
I think there are a few reasons for this.
1- Negative Interest Rates. ie It is better to hoard cash than have it in a bank earning -ve interest.
2- Govts need more tax revenue
3- Long term globalist agenda to have a cashless society so all men can be controlled as predicted 2000 years ago in Revelations 13
16And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark — the name of the beast or the number of its name.
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The fear of government "Taking away your guns" is uniquely American. The rest of the world has solved the problem far upstream by not making firearms and ammunition freely available to the general public. Ethnic profiling is done anyway, through various other means. They're not depending on cashless payment systems for this. And finally, very few people are worried about being deported FROM India.