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Aging Process May Be Reversable, Scientists Claim (theguardian.com)
New submitter TheNinjaCoder writes: A new type of gene therapy is showing promise in reversing the aging process. The scientists are not claiming that aging can be eliminated, but say that in the foreseeable future treatments designed to slow the process could increase life expectancy. The Guardian explains the scientists' experiment in its report: "The rejuvenating treatment given to the mice was based on a technique that has previously been used to 'rewind' adult cells, such as skin cells, back into powerful stem cells, very similar to those seen in embryos. These so-called induced pluripotent stem (iPS) cells have the ability to multiply and turn into any cell type in the body and are already being tested in trials designed to provide 'spare parts' for patients. The treatment involved intermittently switching on the same four genes that are used to turn skin cells into iPS cells. The mice were genetically engineered in such a way that the four genes could be artificially switched on when the mice were exposed to a chemical in their drinking water. The scientists tested the treatment in mice with a genetic disorder, called progeria, which is linked to accelerated aging, DNA damage, organ dysfunction and dramatically shortened lifespan. After six weeks of treatment, the mice looked visibly younger, skin and muscle tone improved and they lived 30% longer. When the same genes were targeted in cells, DNA damage was reduced and the function of the cellular batteries, called the mitochondria, improved. Crucially, the mice did not have an increased cancer risk, suggesting that the treatment had successfully rewound cells without turning them all the way back into stem cells, which can proliferate uncontrollably in the body." The study has been published in the journal Cell.
Congratulations! But even if you have the cure for aging you'll have to solve some (quite big) problems:
* The danger of overpopulation. If old people don't die, and young people keep making babies, our planet will become overcrowded soon. Which system should be implemented? A policy where you need permit by the government to have babies? Will we make a gigantic ponzi scheme where we put those extra humans on mars, then on other plantes, colonizing the galaxy? What when the whole galaxy is colonized? Intergalactic travel outside of our local group is quite hard, as expansion of space will make those galaxies leave us faster than light before we can get to them.
* The danger of cancer. Often when rejuveniating cells you put them in a mode where they like to multiply. You artificially increase the likelihood for cancer with this to an extent of almost certainity.
The scientists quoted say 10 years away from any sort of human clinical application. One interesting thing to note is that these are progeria mice, who would normally age very rapidly from their condition. So it's more like making them age more normal, not extending their lifespan abnormally. Will be interesting to see if they can use this technique to actual reverse normal aging and extend a normal lifespan, not just one which was previously going to be cut very short.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
But I'm too old to be sure I really understand this. Wish I could still think like a young man...
Genetic disorder mitigated by genetic manipulation. Yes?
Instead of progeria-afflicted mice, why not attempt the technique on otherwise healthy mice? If that can be made to result in a 30% lifespan extension, that would be notable.
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The rule is: if you have a child, your anti aging treatments stop
penalty for breaking rule: death
Pick a number pretty much any number, double it, somebody will pay that.
There won't be an overpopulation problem because only .001% of the population will be able to afford it.
What there will be is huge black market that primarily consists of fake treatments that will kill you, probably. If the odds are a million to one that you get to reset to some lower age or die of old age people will roll the dice.
There is little interesting in reversing the process of aging after the damage is done to bones and tissues. On the other hand, you want to slow it down after your late 20s.
Obviously, if ever there is a public technology, they would be much more interested in spinning it down to older people that has more disposable income, however ultimately, it would be the ultra rich taking more advantage of it for a younger age.
Or it means space elevators.
Rockets are, as you intimate, not a good tool for this. They are expensive, polluting, risky, and only capable of small payloads.
But a space elevator would serve well in all of those categories. The materials science, which is the primary challenge that must be overcome, is coming along. Once funded -- which is a huge deal, but not an insurmountable one -- space would become much easier to access. At that point, any assumptions about what we can, or can't, do will have to be revised.
For a lot of people, space elevators seem impossible; but they aren't. It's just physics, and it's not unreasonable physics, either. It's just hard physics. Not as hard as fusion; not as easy as rockets.
There are no other technologies in view that will serve. There's no current physics path to "anti-gravity" or "transporters", for instance.
We have many reasons to go to space, most of them excellent. If we have to do it with rockets, it's going to be a very drawn-out, very expensive process. We'll almost certainly establish ourselves, even with rockets, but there won't be any mass transport of human beings going on if that's what we end up with for the long run. It's just too expensive, and the batches are far too small to send large numbers of people in what amounts to a casual manner. Likely any large population in space habitats or planetary settlements in a "we use rockets" environment will have to grow by reproduction rather than import.
We have some tech for moving around in space that looks to be inexpensive; after all, there's no shortage of continuous low-level energy supply in space -- but not for getting there.
Gravity is a bitch.
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