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Yahoo's Billion-User Database Reportedly Sold On the Dark Web for Just $300,000 - NYT (thenextweb.com)

An anonymous reader writes: As if 2016 wasn't shitty enough for Yahoo -- which admitted to two separate breaches that saw 500 million users' and then 1 billion users' details stolen by hackers -- the New York Times reports that a billion-user database was sold on the Dark Web last August for $300,000. That's according to Andrew Komarov, chief intelligence office at security firm InfoArmor. He told NYT that three buyers, including two prominent spammers and another who might be involved in espionage tactics purchased the entire database at the aforementioned price from a hacker group believed to based in Eastern Europe. It's lovely to know that it only costs $300,000 to be able to threaten a billion people's online existence -- which means each account is only worth $0.0003 to hackers who can ruin your life online in a matter of minutes. Yahoo also doesn't yet know who made off with all the data from the attack in 2013, which is said to be the largest breach of any company ever.

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  1. Verizon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now we know why Verizon wants to back out of buying Yahoo.

    1. Re:Verizon? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Why buy the cow when you already got the milk?

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  2. Hmm by tsqr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's lovely to know that it only costs $300,000 to be able to threaten a billion people's online existence -- which means each account is only worth $0.0003 to hackers who can ruin your life online in a matter of minutes.

    I love the smell of hyperbole in the morning.

    Would the OP be happier if the database had commanded a much higher price?

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a higher price which would only incentivize hackers more in the future.

    2. Re:Hmm by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      Even if I had a Yahoo account, I can't imaging using it for anything that would "ruin my life." It's Yahoo, not Ashley-Madison.

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    3. Re:Hmm by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Even if I had a Yahoo account, I can't imaging using it for anything that would "ruin my life." It's Yahoo, not Ashley-Madison.

      I guess we now know that msmash reuses passwords across multiple platforms. :)

    4. Re:Hmm by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

      a higher price which would only incentivize hackers more in the future.

      Whereas the hackers found dead in a pool of blood with obvious signs of torture would only disincentivize future hackers. I'm rooting for that option.

    5. Re:Hmm by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Even if I had a Yahoo account, I can't imaging using it for anything that would "ruin my life." It's Yahoo, not Ashley-Madison.

      Various ISPs like AT&T contract email and subscriber services out to Yahoo. So I would not assume that just because you do not have a Yahoo account that your data was not lost.

  3. Ruin your life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess to millennials that think their online persona is their 'life'. An inconvenience sure, but saying it will ruin your life is incorrect.

    1. Re:Ruin your life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding me? If someone knew I had a Yahoo account, I'd have to jump off a bridge from embarrassment.

    2. Re:Ruin your life? by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I guess to millennials that think their online persona is their 'life'. An inconvenience sure, but saying it will ruin your life is incorrect.

      An instagram account, sure... But Yahoo?

    3. Re:Ruin your life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Are you kidding me? If someone knew I had a Yahoo account, I'd have to jump off a bridge from embarrassment.

      Sent from my AOL account.

    4. Re:Ruin your life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At least AOL was a respectable purchase. Yahoo is nothing but a money pit.

  4. Good Job Yahoo by bfpierce · · Score: 5, Funny

    Might be the most profitable thing you've done in a decade or more!

    1. Re:Good Job Yahoo by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I was going to say, why didn't they realize that value themselves?

    2. Re:Good Job Yahoo by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

      It is worst: the addresses were stolen by hackers, and bought back by Yahoo, since they couldn't identify the compromised mailboxes.

  5. Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Informative

    We are writing to inform you about a data security issue that may involve your Yahoo account information. We have taken steps to secure your account and are working closely with law enforcement.

    What Happened?

    Law enforcement provided Yahoo in November 2016 with data files that a third party claimed was Yahoo user data. We analyzed this data with the assistance of outside forensic experts and found that it appears to be Yahoo user data. Based on further analysis of this data by the forensic experts, we believe an unauthorized third party, in August 2013, stole data associated with a broader set of user accounts, including yours. We have not been able to identify the intrusion associated with this theft. We believe this incident is likely distinct from the incident we disclosed on September 22, 2016.

    What Information Was Involved?

    The stolen user account information may have included names, email addresses, telephone numbers, dates of birth, hashed passwords (using MD5) and, in some cases, encrypted or unencrypted security questions and answers. Not all of these data elements may have been present for your account. The investigation indicates that the stolen information did not include passwords in clear text, payment card data, or bank account information. Payment card data and bank account information are not stored in the system we believe was affected.

    What We Are Doing

    We are taking action to protect our users:

    • We are requiring potentially affected users to change their passwords.
    • We invalidated unencrypted security questions and answers so that they cannot be used to access an account.
    • We continuously enhance our safeguards and systems that detect and prevent unauthorized access to user accounts.

    What You Can Do

    We encourage you to follow these security recommendations:

    • Change your passwords and security questions and answers for any other accounts on which you used the same or similar information used for your Yahoo account.
    • Review all of your accounts for suspicious activity.
    • Be cautious of any unsolicited communications that ask for your personal information or refer you to a web page asking for personal information.
    • Avoid clicking on links or downloading attachments from suspicious emails.

    Additionally, please consider using Yahoo Account Key, a simple authentication tool that eliminates the need to use a password on Yahoo altogether.

    For More Information

    For more information about this issue and our security resources, please visit the Yahoo Security Issues FAQs page available at https://yahoo.com/security-upd....

      Protecting your information is important to us and we work continuously to strengthen our defenses.

      Sincerely,

      Bob Lord
      Chief Information Security Officer
      Yahoo

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    1. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Protecting your information is important to us and we work continuously to strengthen our defenses.

      Not a very good track record: https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

    2. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by rickyslashdot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      YAAAAHOOOOO ! Our sales reps and corporate execs just made their annual bonus by participating (willing or not) in delivering 1/10th of the world's population's data info to black / grey market re-sellers. What a wonderful system we live in where this can happen with no individuals anywhere in the corporate hierarchy being held criminally culpable - or even accountable - for this data theft that is only now __THREE_YEARS_AFTER_THE_FACT__ being released to the public.

      MY OPINION - but this type of 'data breach' is becoming all too common, and will continue to happen while the 'protectors' of this data (the corporations, their management, and data-protection staff) are allowed to skate without any real penalties.

      Hell, the recording industry has managed to 'criminalize', at the felony level, simple civil theft of data-transfer and is actually forcing the service providers and the government to be their policing agencies, but corporate data-loss / data-theft like this that can have real economic impact on millions of peoples lives is still dealt with under simple fines and penalties.

      Oh, well, at least I don't have to worry, since I don't play the game with all the IM / FRIENDS / data-sharing programs running at the top of the centennial's 'have to have' internet connections.

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    3. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by fisted · · Score: 3, Funny

      hashed passwords

      Nice! I honestly was expecting plaintext passwords. But hashed! Companies are learning!

      (using MD5)

      Oh, wait.

      the stolen information did not include passwords in clear text

      ayy, until you google the hash.

    4. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by webmistressrachel · · Score: 1

      Your search - 36a7d045d7b15123b79602889074cb16 - did not match any documents.

      Suggestions:

      Make sure that all words are spelled correctly.
      Try different keywords.
      Try more general keywords.

      Nice try...

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    5. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your search - 36a7d045d7b15123b79602889074cb16 - did not match any documents.

      Suggestions:

      Make sure that all words are spelled correctly.
      Try different keywords.
      Try more general keywords.

      Nice try...

      Come on, now. Fisted was obviously referring to the hash key.

    6. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by fisted · · Score: 2

      Your search - 36a7d045d7b15123b79602889074cb16 - did not match any documents.

      Not anymore.

      That said, my search - 2ab96390c7dbe3439de74d0c9b0b1767 - did match some pertinent documents.
      And <wild guess>you might have accidentally digested a trailing newline from echo(1) along with your data.</wild guess>

      That said, googling the hash is the lazy approach. If you're serious about it, download a rainbow table. Every 8-letter combination of printable ASCII chars in there, fits on a 2TB disk (stored as a plain key-value lookup table, that's 156878 TB worth of data).

      I'd say Joe Luser rarely picks passwords longer than 8 chars. And I don't suppose you're going to tell me that yahoo bothered to salt their md5 hashes...

      So overall you can consider the vast majority of those passwords to be compromised. Naturally, they'll find their way into much smaller, real-world-passwords lookup tables...

    7. Re:Just received this from Yahoo! yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Change your passwords and security questions and answers

      We have not been able to identify the intrusion associated with this theft.

      So what's the point of changing passwords? It most likely wasn't the insecurity of yahoo user's passwords that led to this breach. Changing your passwords now might make it easier for the attacker to get your new passwords _unhashed_.

      Makes more sense to change your service provider. Especially if they keep having large security breaches and still don't know how the breach happened.

  6. Too big to fail by Wycliffe · · Score: 2

    Maybe we should start thinking about ways to mitigate this kind of thing. If putting all your eggs in one basket and watching it isn't working
    then maybe it's better to start thinking about ways to break it up. If instead of having companes like google, yahoo, and facebook with
    billions of users, we had hundreds of companies each with a million users apiece then the profit potential is greatly reduced. It still takes
    the same amount of work to hack into the system but if you only get 1M accounts then your profit is only $300 instead of $300,000.

    1. Re:Too big to fail by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

      Maybe we should start thinking about ways to mitigate this kind of thing. If putting all your eggs in one basket and watching it isn't working then maybe it's better to start thinking about ways to break it up. If instead of having companes like google, yahoo, and facebook with billions of users, we had hundreds of companies each with a million users apiece then the profit potential is greatly reduced. It still takes the same amount of work to hack into the system but if you only get 1M accounts then your profit is only $300 instead of $300,000.

      I would love to have federated social networking the way e-mail works now! Think of how much better the UI (Timeline, home page, whatever...) would be when moving did not mean losing your friends!

    2. Re:Too big to fail by omnichad · · Score: 2

      I would love to have federated social networking the way e-mail works now! Think of how much better the UI (Timeline, home page, whatever...) would be when moving did not mean losing your friends!

      This was sort of what Google Wave was supposed to be. The execution was so bad (so incredibly messy) that it will never be tried again.

    3. Re:Too big to fail by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      I would love to have federated social networking the way e-mail works now! Think of how much better the UI (Timeline, home page, whatever...) would be when moving did not mean losing your friends!

      This was sort of what Google Wave was supposed to be. The execution was so bad (so incredibly messy) that it will never be tried again.

      Google Wave was still owned/controlled by Google. What we need is an open standard like smtp or openid but for social networking.

    4. Re:Too big to fail by omnichad · · Score: 1

      It actually was a federated system. You could build your own client or run your own server.

    5. Re:Too big to fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was sort of what Google Wave was supposed to be. The execution was so bad (so incredibly messy) that it will never be tried again.

      Google Wave was still owned/controlled by Google. What we need is an open standard like smtp or openid but for social networking.

      Stage 2: Google Wave shut down -- April 30, 2012

  7. It's not a billion people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not a billion people..It's a billion accounts. How many people have more than 1 Yahoo account? Or created one and then never used?

    And what data was stolen?
    It was "names, email addresses, telephone numbers, dates of birth, hashed passwords (using MD5) and, in some cases, encrypted or unencrypted security questions and answers."

    So not great but not credit cards at least...And who puts in accurate info for DoB anyway?

    1. Re:It's not a billion people... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I have a few dozen. Lots of webpages learned about throwaway mail addresses and blocked them, but they all accept Yahoo.

      Well, maybe "having" a few dozen is exaggerated. I used a few dozen once to get past a registration screen. And I doubt I am the only one who had that bright idea.

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    2. Re:It's not a billion people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a billion people..It's a billion accounts. How many people have more than 1 Yahoo account? Or created one and then never used?

      And what data was stolen? It was "names, email addresses, telephone numbers, dates of birth, hashed passwords (using MD5) and, in some cases, encrypted or unencrypted security questions and answers."

      So not great but not credit cards at least...And who puts in accurate info for DoB anyway?

      Well, I have 375,000 Yahoo accounts, so it MUST be less than a billion people.

    3. Re:It's not a billion people... by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      I only used mine for Ashley Maddison, so no big loss. ;)

    4. Re:It's not a billion people... by omnichad · · Score: 3, Informative

      who puts in accurate info for DoB anyway

      Just about everyone who is over 18 and doesn't have a place to keep a copy of all the fake information for account recovery.

    5. Re:It's not a billion people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been listing my birthday as 1990 April 1st since my balls dropped and I wanted to look at internet boobies.

      Along with the rest of my fake information that I keep fixed and easily recalled, including an address (555 N 500 W) and zip code (10099) in New York City.

    6. Re:It's not a billion people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your balls have dropped? Your flat crotch says otherwise.

    7. Re:It's not a billion people... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Your balls have dropped

      Happy new year!

  8. they probably over paid by anthony_greer · · Score: 1

    How many of these were active users? how many were real names? back in the day, I had 2 or three spam accounts under names like James Bond or Homer Simpson...i know others did too. on top of that I dont know anyone still using yahoo actively...

    1. Re:they probably over paid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo had a billion users? 13.4% of the species signed up at Yahoo? I doubt it. I think you're right; some huge fraction of that number are sockpuppet accounts.

  9. Putin Has been Busy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or has the NY Times not pinned this one on him? Yet?

  10. Ruin my life? by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    Do you mean that Yahoo account I started way back when with the fake personal details just so I could use Yahoo messenger? One one I never use for email? That one?

    (Makes me wonder what happened to my ICQ account)

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    1. Re:Ruin my life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Makes me wonder what happened to my ICQ account)

      Holy crap, that still exists?! And I remember my UIN! And ICQ was apparently acquired by a Russian company? Aaaand nobody I knew from 15+ years ago has logged on to it in years. What a shocker.

      I guess it's just slightly less useful than my fake Yahoo account. At least that's useful for forums where I want to ask one question and don't want spam on my real account for years to come.

      Spam my Yahoo account all you want, spammers. It's already got thousands of spam messages coming in per day. I only ever even log into it when I registered on a new forum so you're really only annoying Yahoo, whose fault the data breach is anyway.

    2. Re: Ruin my life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well now people will start to recieve spam from that account especially contacts with suspect attacments that the other end might not suspect considering the sender.

    3. Re: Ruin my life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You do not need any access to an account to send spam "from" it. Just telnet to port 25 of any mail server and pretend to be whoever you like.

  11. These are just email records by ugen · · Score: 1

    Most of those "users" are just throwaway mailboxes. You could probably create a database of the same value by generating random usernames @yahoo.com

  12. Clearly by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

    They overpaid.

  13. 300k for a billion addresses? Pah! by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just wait 'til they sell the trillion mail addresses at mailinator!

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    1. Re:300k for a billion addresses? Pah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have 1 trillion mailinator password for sale - I give you good price!

    2. Re:300k for a billion addresses? Pah! by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Just wait 'til they sell the trillion mail addresses at mailinator!

      My Yahoo mail might get one more spam e-mail a day that slips through the filters? I use Yahoo as my throwaway address for registrations of minimal value, I'm pretty sure every spam company in the world already has my yahoo address.

  14. Overvaluing the mark by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

    Valued at $0.0003 per Yahoo user?

    They're over-optimistic.

    1. Re:Overvaluing the mark by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      Valued at $0.0003 per Yahoo user?

      They're over-optimistic.

      There is probably more value in buying a delinquent credit sheet that has been through 3 other collection agencies....

    2. Re:Overvaluing the mark by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's reflecting a discount for the high percentage of dupes, astroturfers, sock puppets, etc. in the database.

  15. Failing up by Comboman · · Score: 1

    "Failing Up" is a strategy that's not common to most CEOs, regardless of gender.

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  16. Hm. by Shoten · · Score: 1

    This seems odd. For one thing, this is a set of creds from 2013; didn't Yahoo! force a password reset in 2014+, after the most recent (admitted) breach? I don't quite see what the value would be in that case, though there might be some password reuse value. For another, that seems like a pretty high price compared to other databases that have been on the market, when valuation is done on a per-account basis...and the other databases are from more recent breaches as well.

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    1. Re: Hm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im sure what is in the news people will proably change there pass now too even if yahoo does not contact them.

    2. Re:Hm. by lhowaf · · Score: 1

      Good point. I think the password is probably the least valuable piece of information in the db - except for the value in generating another '100 worst passwords' list..

  17. Re:So what about the blond CEO.... by omnichad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She didn't get to where she is with sexual favors. She got there the same way men become CEO - she's an incompetent sociopath.

  18. Marissa, out! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This horse-faced ninny has done enough damage! She's also a woman, what is she doing near technology?

  19. Claims about it being work of foreign IA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..go down the drain now, huh ?

  20. Does this include AT&T accounts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    AT&T uses Yahoo for email accounts, you could login at either site with the same user/password.

  21. No kidding by s.petry · · Score: 2

    I know Yahoo for one thing. Throw away accounts for testing malware and spam sites. I know plenty of people who use them that way, and worked at places with burner phones to handle their great security of requiring a phone number to send/receive text to activate accounts.

    Oh Noes! Hackers have burner phone numbers and disposable accounts, most likely housing messages with Malware inside. If the people who paid for these were from a different part of society I'd be concerned that they were ripped off.

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  22. User accounts are cheap because they are low value by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    The internet is the new daytime television. The people who were hanging around on it in the 90s are long gone. Now it's people who earn under $40,000 per year and have no ideas, are often on government disability aid for mental health, retired and lonely, drunk basement NEETbeards, etc. They are not worth exploiting because they have no money. Not to mention that especially on Yahoo, most of the data will be fake.

  23. Welcome to collapse by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    She got there the same way men become CEO - she's an incompetent sociopath.

    When the herd rules us, our leaders are always this bad. Thanks for the laugh however!

  24. Whoops by alternative_right · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We have not been able to identify the intrusion associated with this theft.

    So there's either a backdoor into the system that is still open, or this is an internal breach, like an employee stealing information to finance his ($300k) retirement?

  25. Does this show what a billion accounts is worth? by shoor · · Score: 1

    A billion accounts, how many are really valid? How much sifting does somebody have to do? And, when they get something, what can they do with it?
    OK, you hack somebody's account, get answers to questions like date of birth, (Mother's maiden name?), so then you 'steal their identity' and do what? I know there are times when it can be a nightmare for somebody, but the real horror stories seem to be when somebody was specifically targeted, like for revenge. Are all those zombie bots out there compromised from this kind of stuff? I don't know.
    These are not rhetorical questions. I'd really like to know how bad it is. I see ads that try to be scary about it all, but there have been so many stories about accounts being compromised, and then life goes on that I have to wonder.

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  26. Re: Does this show what a billion accounts is wort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Im not a techie... But even with hashed passwords maybe they got 1bil possible passwords to add to their dictionary.

    And if it matches with say another list, say your fb attached to the Yahoo, it could be resold as a package at higher value?

    (im guessing here)

  27. Re: Does this show what a billion accounts is wor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why hashed passwords should be 'salted,' but I have no idea if they were in this case. You can look that up if you're curious.

  28. State Sponsored by speedplane · · Score: 1

    Yahoo has been saying from the beginning that these attacks were "state sponsored". But why would a State try to sell the database on the dark web?

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  29. hashed passwords (using MD5) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hashed passwords (using MD5)

    Quite a few years back the Inventor of MD5 said "Don't use MD5 for password hashing."

    They word this like they were doing they're job right by using MD5. You need more than a hash to protect passwords.