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Pentagon: Chinese Ship Captures US Underwater Drone Fom Sea (usatoday.com)
The Pentagon is demanding that China return an "unlawfully seized" underwater drone after a Chinese warship took the device from waters near a US oceanographic vessel. From a report on USA Today: A U.S. Navy underwater drone operating in international waters was captured by a Chinese warship in the South China Sea, Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook said in a statement on Friday. The drone is not armed and is used for gathering weather and temperature data. The incident occurred Thursday. The drone was launched by the USNS Bowditch, a civilian crewed oceanographic ship that is operated by the Military Sealift Command, off the coast of the Philippines. These types of drones, called gliders, typically collect unclassified data, such as water temperatures and salinity levels. "We call upon China to return our UUV immediately, and to comply with all of its obligations under international law," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said in a statement, using the abbreviation for "unmanned underwater vehicle."
We need to team up with Russia and attack China. It is the only way. We are now run by Russia anyway.
Nobody is handing anything to China. China is grabbing it.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Tell me you DID give it a self-destruct
Sailor1: Sir, we captured an American underwater drone!
Officer: Throw it back! QUICK! It's a self service torpedo...
If you kids don't remember the Glomar Explorer,
it's about time you googled it.
Those Chinese ain't stupid.
Of course China will return it.
Right after they take it apart, photograph its parts, map all its PCB traces, identify all the parts, copy its firmware and reassemble it (that last part is optional).
And in a year at most the US can buy a comparable version at half the cost from China.
Same thing happened when that US spy plane had to make an emergency landing awhile back (after colliding with a Chinese fighter jet). China returned the plane, in crates. I hear the crew threw all the sensitive stuff out while the plane was over the water.
Return our toys or Trump will whine about it on Twitter.
That's what winners do.
They grab what they want.
By the pussy.
3. The one holding U.S. debt.
After reading various books on the history of the CIA, I am a bit skeptical when we report a civilian vessel doing scientific research is captured by another country.
If this drone only measures temperature and salinity, whats the big deal beyond the cost? They will give it back eventually. Perhaps in ( pieces ).
I find it difficult to imagine any scenario that makes China the "world's greatest power."
Then you have the imagination of a turnip. You literally cannot imagine a scenario in which the nation with the largest population in the world and a GDP on track to surpassing the USA in around 10 years could become the world's greatest power? I'm not saying any of this is certain, or even likely, but not even being able to imagine the possibility is dumbfounding.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
It has the largest population, the largest military and the largest industry. It's busy making strategic investments around the world and territorial claims. It's investing huge sums on science and engineering to make up for any technological lag.
I wouldn't like to bet against China being the dominant world power by the end of the century, whether I like it or not. Mostly not.
Thus, from the Chinese point of view, the drone was likely a) spying on their military bases being built on one of the islands they are expanding and b) doing so from within waters they claim as their own.
From the US point of view, a) they were operating in what is still internationally recognized as either international waters or waters controlled by their Philippine allies. and b) getting the closest possible look at the military installations a major power was building, which are responsible for a major change in the balance of tensions in the region. (One can easily argue that these efforts by the Chinese government are deliberately provocative)
As a final note; I do not believe for one moment that the drone deployed by the US navy only gathers such non-classified data the article mentions. Drones are primarily intelligence gathering platforms after all, not science research vessels. If I were developing, deploying and operating multi-million dollar drones in an area currently under a great deal of military and economic tensions, I'd be loading that drone with every type of sensor, (active and passive) that I could possibly fit in its hull. Given the current tensions, I'd be using only its passive sensors to be sure. I wouldn't want my drone getting caught. The best intelligence, after all, is the intelligence the opponent doesn't even know you have. But I'd be certainly doing more than measuring temperatures and salinity. My primary interest would probably be using passive sonar to *thoroughly* map the sea bottom and gps/ inertial tracking to chart how the Chinese construction was affecting the local currents and thermocline depths. Should hostilities ever break out, such detailed knowledge of the area would make finding and combating submarines much easier as well as giving my own subs the tools they need to maximise their own efforts at hiding.
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It is clear that China does whatever it wants and doesn't give a damn about international law. They've had wiggle room in other cases, but this is blatant, flat-out theft in broad daylight with witnesses.
The baton has not been passed/grabbed since the beginning of the nuclear age. We live in "Interesting Times," I fear.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Is it wrong I'm suspicious as to the actual nature of this drone? I mean, sure; it makes perfect sense for it to be doing what they say it was. However, it's equally possible it's gathering military intelligence.
I don't trust either country involved. although I don't know why China would waste their time on a meteorological drone.
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The South China Sea is, contrary to what you might expect from the name, not chinese territory except for small parts. It is mostly international waters.
There are, sadly, many people in the US that cannot see the US as anything other than the world's greatest country, in everything, and that it will continue to be the greatest until the end of time. It's a fantasy that they can't see past and refuse to even try. The US has not been the leader in many categories for some time and we're the leader is some categories that we really don't want to be, such as highest percentage of population in prison. These people are not only sad, they're dangerous to the continued survival of the country as we can't fix problems that we refuse to see or acknowledge.
"Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
And they are going to get us to honor our debt how exactly?
Like everything else China does, dumping U.S. debt into the open market.
The South China Sea is not all China's territorial waters. Even they don't even claim all of it. Some of the parts they DO claim are closer to other countries than they are China, making those claims pretty ludicrous, IMO.
Good thing the Pentagon has an unblemished record of never claiming anything to not have military purpose that wasn't a lie. That record of honesty will give their word a lot of weight when they are in the right like this.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
The map in the article suggests it was confiscated just off the coast of the Philippines in Subic Bay - the Chinese were way outside their territorial waters on this one.
If you see people you disagree with as having the mental capacity of a turnip, you might only have made it to cabbage yourself.
The article doesn't mention this, but I know it's been posted on Slashdot before, large swathes of the South China Sea are no longer clearly International Waters as the current article implies. For a couple of years now, China has been building artificial islands in the region. [...]
Yup, and it has been ruled by the Permanent Court of Arbitration that those artificial islands do nothing to change the claims of China:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_v._China
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_Court_of_Arbitration
That would be better as a Haiku.
That's what winners do
They grab whatever they want
Grab by the pussy
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Also, if I'm the US, as long as I have the nukes, I ain't paying.
The Chinese have nukes. They also have a larger population (1.3B people vs. 360M). If a nuclear exchange took place, the Chinese are more likely to survive. Also, the Russians wouldn't appreciate nukes being blown in their backyard and may toss a few back at the U.S. But, go ahead, keep waving your Johnson and prove to the world that Americans are stupid.
I from the US, so I might be biased, but it sounds more like China is pretending they own the street in front of their house and grabbed our RC car as we drove it down the street. If we drove into their yard, yeah, they'd be justified, but pretty much the everybody but China agrees that the street doesn't belong to them.
China -- were we spying on you with this tool? Show the world -- show us the software and hardware spy tools you have found.
U.S. -- innocent drone? Show the world -- show us the software and hardware tools on our innocent drone-- certainly this should be transparent?
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Just in terms of military spending, China is #2 in the world. They spend 36% as much as we do.
Our spending over twice what they do might sound reassuring, but we have to factor in waste. There's always waste, but waste in US procurement waste is epic due to pork barrel spending -- which China as a non-democracy doesn't have. Think how much more the F35 program costs us because it has been distributed to practically every congressional district in the country. Imagine how that program might be different if it was run in the cheapest way to obtain the desired bang.
So in some ways we're not in an arms race, we're in a waste-and-corruption race, and that's a contest we really don't want to win. It's conceivable that China might be getting more value for its $215 billion than we're getting for our $596 billion.
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I agree. Look at Zimbabwe - absolutely no corruption there. You don't get officials handing contracts to companies owned by their cousins or any of that shit.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
America is the clear winner in this. Chinese steal a drone exploration watercraft 50 mi. off the coast of the Philippines in an act no better than common criminal pirates.
Who looks desperate and pathetic as hell?
We lost a drone. They confirm that they are major loser thugs for the world to witness.
Seriously, you must be joking. I am not sure if you are aware of this or not, but in the US, you don't make shit. Sure, you design stuff, but you produce all your shit in China and other 3rd and 2nd world countries.
And you think blocking incoming goods would not lose jobs? If you are not making shit, then what are most of you doing? Oh yeah... selling shit. If there is no shit to sell and no shit to buy then there is no need to have a job selling shit. No need to have a job designing shit either since you cant afford to produce it in the US since it would be too expensive to buy because no one has a job since there is no more shit to sell.
It's all connected man.