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Tesla Updates Autopilot To Make It Follow the Speed Limit On Roads (electrek.co)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Electrek: Before a recent update that is being gradually pushed to Tesla owners, the automaker allowed its Autopilot to be set at a higher speed than the speed limit on all roads where the driver assist system could be enabled, but now Tesla is pushing a new update to make Autopilot follow the rules of the road more closely. Owners of Tesla vehicles equipped with Autopilot have, up until now, been able to set the speed of the Autopilot's 'Traffic-Aware Cruise Control' feature to up to 5 mph over the speed limit on roads and non-divided highways. Now they are restricted to following the speed limit exactly, without the 5 mph leeway. On highways, the speed limit doesn't have a direct effect on the Autopilot's speed. The speed is still limited by the Autopilot's overall 90 mph speed limit. Every time Tesla introduces new restrictions to its Autopilot system, it gets a mixed response from owners. While the new restrictions are often coming from the aspiration of making the system safer, some owners always see them as taking away capabilities that they already had and had paid for. With the introduction of the software update v8.0 in September, Tesla introduced a more aggressive "Autopilot nag," which prompts more 'Hold Steering Wheel' alerts.
and dangerous. If you ain't goin 20 over you are a moving violation around here.
Can you stop your Tesla from applying updates or does it follow the Windows 10 model?
I imagine this is just Tesla deciding it didn't want the legal liability, should a speeding Model S hit a bicyclist while going over the speed limit.
Do Tesla owners have a way to prevent updates from being applied?
#DeleteChrome
The next update will make the car drive in the left hand lane with the turn signal on.
I think people should expect that self driving vehicles will obey speed limits. The liability cannot be assumed by the manufactures to do it any other way. This to me is and will be the Achilles heal of self driving vehicles.The vehicle will determine the speed not the human.
only applies to autopilot.
Assuming that soon this will be the norm, then all cars will be going the same speed, until then if there is enough traffic that is at a dissimilar speed, just drive instead of autopilot and you're golden.
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We need to blame Tesla, and not the stupid laws (that we voted for the representatives that voted for). Please Elon, fix our collective stupidity by breaking the law., instead of having us voters fix the stupid laws we've enacted. This way, we get to blame some rich white dude when things go wrong, which is much better than taking responsibility for ourselves.
Only applies to street and not freeway driving. Autopilot was already limited there anyway and they really recommended against using it on streets/highways but didn't stop you.
Maybe a dumb question (I have no idea) but is there any data on how many and type of traffic tickets have been issued to Tesla owners running on autopilot? Curious.
I personally think this is a great idea. But I think many of the non-Tesla drivers on the road are going to HATE it when they are forced to drive sensibly until they can find a place to pass. Especially if other automakers take it up.
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
Remember, they've already used this feature to remotely disable a Tesla of an owner that posted a negative tweet about Elon Musk.
I don't remember that. I remember Elon Musk canceling a blogger's order. Was there a separate incident in which an owner's car was disabled?
If everyone else on the road is going 5-10 over the speed limit
What heavenly part of the world are you driving in?
My local observation is that there are always a significant minority drivers who insiste on driving 5-10 MPH below the speed limit, and get road-ragey at anybody passing them.
-- Sometimes you have to turn the lights off in order to see.
My rules. No thanks.
Citation please. I don't think you're going to find one though...pretty sure Musk never disabled someone's car.
So what you're saying is that a lot of people aren't following the rules and breaking the law, but the one vehicle actually being operated under the conditions of the permit is the hazard?
Also I'm sorry but that's just plain wrong. If you're unable to travel the speed limit and insist on needing to overtake you can do it safely and patiently. The only time it's unsafe is if you're an impatient douchebag. In the mean time over on the other side of the pond we have no problem sharing our roads doing 200+ km/h with trucks and other vehicles with a 90km/h speedlimit. And the USA has roughly double the road fatality rate of Germany in every metric be it per capita, per vehicle or per distance.
My grandfather always told me that the safest drive speed is the one that follow the traffic.
I got this example in my city (and I'm sure most of you can relate) of some big, perfect straight highway with 5 lanes where the maximum speed is crazily set at 70 km/h (45 mph). And, as you can guess, everyone, even the slow lane, goes over 100.
In my opinion, this is where corporate responsibility have entered too far in personal responsibility, kinda like I don't want my GPS to start an alarm and stop working if I go over the limit. So if there's an accident related to high speed where the user have set the speed over the limit, it's the driver's fault.
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It not going to "soon be the norm"! Good lLord. get out of the basement and speak to real people - none of whom want this crap/
Any vehicle in Florida doing the speed limit -- even in the "slow lane" -- the far-right lane -- will become roadkill.
Tesla, the best thing you could do is adaptive cruise. Just go with the flow, man...
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Where in the itemized bill of sale did any of these owners have it listed "Ability for autopilot to exceed speed limits"? I'm doubting that was listed anywhere on the sale contract. So, no, they did not buy that specific features. They bought an autopilot system as a whole.
If everyone thinks the speed limits are too slow, and cars should drive faster, then increase the speed limit.
How does it know what the official speed limit is?
What happens if this is interfered with?
I'm struggling to see how any customer could consider this a good thing.
only applies to autopilot. Assuming that soon this will be the norm,
That seems to be a rather brash assumption. Unless your definition of 'soon' is the next 100 years or so...
If everyone is going over the speed limit, everyone is a road hazard and everyone should be fuckin arrested.
I-294 posted limits are to low needs to be at least 70 all the way.
My local observation is that there are always a significant minority drivers who insiste on driving 5-10 MPH below the speed limit, and get road-ragey at anybody passing them.
That's the righteous indignation of those who do the right thing when they see irresponsible people doing the wrong thing.
One foot on the brake and one on the gas, hey!
Well, there's too much traffic, I can't pass, no!
So I tried my best illegal move
Well, baby, black and white come and touched my groove again!
Gonna write me up a 125
Post my face wanted dead or alive
Take my license, all that jive
I can't drive 55! Oh No!
Uh!
So I signed my name on number 24, hey!
Yeah the judge said, "Boy, just one more...
We're gonna throw your ass in the city joint"
Looked me in the eye, said, "You get my point?"
I said Yea!, Oh yea!
Write me up a 125
Post my face wanted dead or alive
Take my license, all that jive
I can't drive 55!
Oh, yea!
I can't drive 55!
I can't drive 55!
I can't drive 55!
I can't drive 55!
Uh!
Especially the cities that rely on traffic tickets to pay for the city budget. Auto-driving cars that never violate traffic laws will be doom for many small towns.
You are correct but more than you know. In many areas it is actually the law. You are to 'drive as prudent'. Which in some cases does mean yes speed up to match traffic.
HOWEVER, if a cop pulls you then you would still be on the hook for the ticket. So the law in that case contradicts itself.
Basically if the speed limit is 55 and everyone around you is doing 70. You should get your speed up to 70. This works in reverse too (hehe see what I did).
That reminds me of the time I drove through Germany and someone insisted on driving 90 km/h on the 2nd lane of a 5-lane freeway. I overtook with 140 and got into an argument with a driver behind me, who was on the leftmost lane doing 200, but invisible to me because of hills. There was no restriction in that area, so 90 was extremely dangerous given that most people were driving at 140 and didn't expect that speed to appear in lane 2.
We already have the shitty example of trucks overtaking on a 2-lane road with 1 km/h, blocking the road for ages. Now we also get this from Tesla? Dear Elon, either it's no autopilot but an assistant and *I* determine the speed of the car, *OR* it's an autopilot, you decide where and how fast, and I take a nap. It's not "whatever suits me today" when I pay this much for a car. And it really makes me rethink my desire to purchase a model 3.
Therefore, by the (faulty) logic you're using, you're just a cow with a keyboard - osu-neko (2604)
How do you figure? The strict limits are enforced on roads that are not highways. In other words, city streets, residential roads, and other non-highway situations. In those cases speed limits are already 25-35 mph in many cases, and 10 mph over is most likely a ticket-able offense and 5 mph over isn't likely to find it a hazard.
You do realize that Germany has no speed limits except 'safe and reasonable'. In fact, driving slower than the existing traffic is what causes many of the crashes on the Autobahn. They have places where it is illegal to stop
Germany pretty solidly proves the opposing argument - that obeying a posted speed limit set not by road conditions, but instead set for political reasons is EXACTLY the cause of car accidents.
You can look at a theoretical world or the real world. In the real world. shmucks driving slower than the prevailing traffic cause accidents - whether they are all driving the speed limit or all driving 10 miles less than the speed limit for a practical joke/ due to a traffic jam/ or any other reasons.
Driving on public roads is a swarm activity. The driving laws are a partial but incomplete set of rules used to help that swarm activity. overlaid on top of natural psychological swarm rules. While following the rules of man is a good idea, following the rules of nature is practically essential.
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In cosmological terms it's soon.
The speed limit has little or nothing to do with a safe speed for the road.
You know those little yellow speed signs which aren't a legal limit? THOSE are speeds based on safety.
What is the point of a limit 5 mph over limit? If you want to have a limit, the legal one seems to make more sense,
I remember hearing a story about cops who pull people over only if they don't break any laws. They figured those were the ones who were up to something. hugely illegal, but apparently they got away with it.
Police will ticket you for driving the speed limit. Believe it or not, you cannot impede traffic. And, we know how speed limits are set - magic eight ball. Or your neighbor Fred who yells at cars on your street. Signed, a cop.
Indeed. In PA, for example, the law specifies a 10 MPH over the limit buffer, so the lowest ticketable speed is 11 over (5 over when the posted limit is 65 or higher). So, in this state, a 35 zone is actually a 45, and a 70 is actually a 75.
So what you're saying is that a lot of people aren't following the rules and breaking the law, but the one vehicle actually being operated under the conditions of the permit is the hazard?
And what good does it do to post speed limits well below actual traffic speeds? Studies have shown and the safest speed to drive is the speed of traffic, not signficantly below it or above it (search for the Solomon Curve). If traffic is already going between 65 to 75 mph and the posted speed limit is 55 mph, it's far more realistic to expect the one vehicle driving 55 mph to speed up to a speed within the 10 mph pace as opposed to expecting that the rest of traffic will slow down to the speed limit. On a related note, have you ever seen the following video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... It pretty much shows that slowing down traffic to a speed that it normally doesn't flow at just leads to a tailgating platoon of vehicles that will have a much more difficult time avoiding any hazards on the roadway compared to when they're more spread out.
Yes, you are a hazard. See page 15 of this study:
http://www.michigan.gov/docume...
Though, it looks like statistically, you're more a hazard to yourself than any other single driver.
honest question because I don't know:
Is Autopilot different from normal cruise control?
- ------ Go 'til ya know.
Eloncito has no other choice, as this is done to prevent lawsuits more than anything else. The drivers are going to hate this in many states (and desolated routes) where it's a consensus arrived by drivers that the max speed should be a little different. Especially in states that allow passing on the right with precaution like Florida and several other states. Driving at exactly JUST the max speed in Florida not only guarantees that about 80% of cars with push-from-behind (stay unreasonably close), use the flashlights on you, pass you thinly and generally make you miserable but also result in very unsafe travel. Also, it would make any Tesla user a joke. Part of the problem is that in Florida (for eg.) everything is very far apart, there is traffic and in general people don't drive very safely.
Elon should allow drivers a +9.5 miles per hour on one way speedways. It will cause less accidents than the strict limit, which will also catch many drivers of guard as some places have abrupt swings in max speed that nobody knows about.
>So what you're saying is that a lot of people aren't following the rules and breaking the law, but the one vehicle actually being operated under the conditions of the permit is the hazard?
Yes, and this is based on reality of the state, not your imagined world where everybody is a saint. If you drive at exactly the max speed in most of Florida, people will pass you dangerously on your right and left, and harass you every until you give up autopilot.
I came from New Jersey where I loved going at the indicated max speed, only to find myself in danger for following it all the time. You need to be hyper digital and go with the flow (what the majority does). Just preventing being take over by 5 cars per minute (doesn't matter if 1st, 2nd or 3rd lane) will be extremely more safe than going at the exact max.
Also, I think most states, and even in NJ and NY, most people drive +8 mph on highways if using the left lane, which is kind of what most do and generally acceptable. +10 mph though was always considered wrong and only 1 in 1000 cars maybe doing that. In Florida, it's about 1/3.
well the driver of tesla could.. you know, DRIVE the car.
if he drives it, he can go any speed he wants.
"Is Autopilot different from normal cruise control?"
My understanding ... Yes. In addition to managing velocity, "Autopilot" keeps the car in its lane and tries to prevent it from running into things. At least things in front of the vehicle. AFAICS it's just an overhyped version of the Adaptive Cruise Control systems that many car manufacturers have been playing with for a decade or two.
You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
You do realize that Germany has no speed limits except 'safe and reasonable'. In fact, driving slower than the existing traffic is what causes many of the crashes on the Autobahn. They have places where it is illegal to stop
So I do, now re-read my post. There are unrestricted speed limits on the autobahns but none the less trucks, busses, small lorries are still 90km/h speed limited. Small cars can't get to the same speed as Audi A8s. Most highways have places where it's illegal stop, the only thing different in Germany is that not only do you not get a concession if there's a problem with a car, you end up with an additional fine for not maintaining the vehicle, which also includes running out of fuel.
None the less the vast majority of crashes are not due to overtaking speed, and if 5mph makes such a difference to you Americans then maybe its time for a flat out re-training of every driver on your road.
You do realize that Germany has no speed limits except 'safe and reasonable'. In fact, driving slower than the existing traffic is what causes many of the crashes on the Autobahn. They have places where it is illegal to stop
You are about 30 years behind the times. While Germany has no universal speed limit and stopping is illegal everywhere on the Autobahn, they have speed restrictions on a growing number of sections. Currently about 35% of the Autobahn system has speed limits, which in practice means that you have unregulated sections interrupted by short stretches limited to 100 or 120 kph. If you care about speed limits, the times when you could dial in cruise control at 170 kph are mostly over. In many places where the highway is damaged, instead of repairing it, they stick an 80 or 100 kph sign on it and call it a day.
In fact accident rates in Germany are now higher than in the neighbouring countries which have universal speed limits, precisely because speed limits in Germany come in short stretches and you end up accelerating and decelerating a lot. A universal speed limit at 130 kph would probably lead to better traffic flow.
As a state gets corrupt, its laws multiply; the most corrupt states have the most numerous laws. (Tacitus, Annales 3:27)
Thanks that's a great study. It re-enforces that everyone should do a common speed. We could regulate this quite easily, maybe make the speeds standard and write them on signs on the side of the highway.
What a concept!
And what good does it do to post speed limits well below actual traffic speeds
Sorry I didn't get past this statement. What the fuck kind of logic is it? The conditions of you getting your driving license was to operate the vehicle according the road rules, not to drive in mass however the hell you want and then complain that the rules which permitted your license are wrong.
What good does it do to post speed limits that are below traffic speed? To slow down the fucking traffic in specific areas. I mean I get it school is hard, but you can ask a 5 year old and still get the right answer.
If everyone else on the road is going 5-10 over the speed limit, then the Tesla is essentially a road hazard that other people need to avoid. This seems like a dumb move.
They generally are. People not paying attention to traffic are always hazards you need to keep a wide margin to, be it people on a phone or people "not driving" a Tesla.
A big issue to that is that in order to be safe, you need to be going with the flow of traffic. In certain parts of the country that speed is usually well above the listed limit. I remember driving through Atlanta one time doing 85 just to keep up with traffic and avoid getting run off the road. A cop passed me in the lane to my left and didn't give a crap. That's just how people drive there.
Further there was a famous incident where a group of students in Georgia showed what happens if every lane had someone doing exactly the limit in them, namely a traffic jam. Go find it, it's worth a watch just for laughs.
What cities would those be?
Sure, some cities are abusive in collecting traffic fines, but except for a few small towns which run "speed traps" few are relying on it to pay for their budget and I recall laws being put into place (at least in Texas) to curb such abuses. Famous speed trap towns were suddenly limited in the amount of revenue they could pull from traffic citations.
The fact is that nobody would get traffic citations if they didn't violate the law.
I've gotten a few and while I may have grumbled and complained, I was breaking the law when I got them - generally for speeding.
In my small town we've got two intersections with red light cameras and they haven't tweaked the timing of the yellow lights and personally I think they're far too generous because I still see people running red lights and not being ticketed.
I've also seen the accidents caused by people who ignore red lights, too often resulting in death.
I'm more concerned with running red lights than speeding though as I think it's more dangerous and if SDC's are more compliant in respecting red lights (and stop signs) than the other drivers I see every day on the roads, then I welcome them.
Except that decades ago the speeds were set for political reasons and are far below the comfortable and safe driving speeds the roads and modern cars. The 55mph National speed limit was arbitrary and is too low. Most states have increased it, and are increasing limits more as they try to determine the safe speed. In the west that is often 75 to 80 mph, at the comfortable speed most drivers will not exceed it. But most states aren't putting their limits that high and thus the limit is still arbitrary.
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Traffic habits vary widely.
I live in a smaller city now - I usually refer to it as a "town" and people often go below the speed limit. Life seems a little slower around here, but I have lived in several big cities as well where even the slow drivers were exceeding the speed limit.
I once crested a little freeway overpass only to see a cop on the shoulder with his radar gun pointed at me and everyone else. I was doing about 80 in a 60.
Not to worry, I was going with the flow of traffic - and we all jammed on our brakes and slowed down to 60 until we got past him. He was waiting for someone going much faster than that and I doubt he had to wait very long either.
I do not miss living in that city full of freeways and their millions of drivers at all.
Maybe it's partially due to being a bit older, but I'm just not in that much of a hurry anymore and neither are most of the other people who live here. All 50 of them (I kid, my town is not that small).
IMHO it just seems like yet another reason to not buy a Tesla.
Oh, come on! This is Slashdot !
Fixing that for you:
it just seems like yet another reason to start our own "GNU OpenAutoFahrer" !
We should register a GitHub repository like *right now*.
And be ready to fork it as "LibreAutoFahrer" after 2 year due to creative dispute in the developer community.
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It not going to "soon be the norm"! Good lLord. get out of the basement and speak to real people - none of whom want this crap/
Within twenty years, people who want to indulge in the nostalgic experience of "driving manual" will have to go special state parks in Tennessee or Georgia where they can drive a Camaro through Potemkin villages set up as pat of the experience.
If everyone is going over the speed limit, everyone is a road hazard and everyone should be fuckin arrested.
Then you should stay out of Arizona.
What cities would those be?
I dont disagree with your points, please allow me to say that first.
Driving in the UK is a pleasure, despite the narrow roads and heavy traffic because drivers by and large follow the traffic rules and conventions of courtesy on the roads. A far cry from driving in Oz.
But there are certainly some cities/towns/states/counties that balance their books by fine revenue. Their budget depends on a certain amount of fines being issued so they game the system to ensure that there are enough tickets issued to ensure that the target is met. I certainly dont agree with it, but they exist never the less.
The US is particularly bad for it because so many laws can be set locally. Here in the UK where councils have to abide by codes for setting speed zones its a lot better, they can only do what North Wales has done and put speed cameras everywhere (although the codes say they must be clearly marked).
I have to say though, if we want to make the roads safer, what we need are more cops on the road. Someone doing 100 MPH on an empty motorway on a clear summers day is not a big deal. Someone riding 2 CM from someone elses bumper or trying to weave through heavy traffic is a danger to himself and everyone around him. The difference between a camera and a cop is that the camera will get the 100 MPH guy but ignore the tailgater/lane weaver, the Rozzers will at the very least, get both (although here in the UK, they'll leave the 100 MPH guy go as long as he's not doing anything stupid).
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
You do realize that Germany has no speed limits except 'safe and reasonable'.
Sounds like you need an education on Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_Germany
Speed limits are actually quite heavily enforced in Germany and suspensions are handed out for much lower infractions. The difference is that the Germans tend to focus more on urban speed limits (which tend to be low compared to the UK, Australian and especially the US) because most of the preventable deaths happen on urban roads.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Except that decades ago the speeds were set for political reasons
Ahhh so the reason the rules of the road that govern everyone driving at the same speed are set are grounds for disobeying the laws, but then you complain about people travelling different speeds being a hazard...
*golf clap*
Driving is a privilege, not a right. You're bound to abide by the rules set on the license. Your opinion of if the rules are right is a important as Jack's and Shit's.
In certain parts of the country that speed is usually well above the listed limit.
Yeah there's a way to solve this. How about we post specific speeds that people should follow to improve safety. We could do something like putting them on signs on the side of the highway.
I have found that, in traffic, there is no "flow" to go with. If I try to keep pace, I just end up having lots of crazy people simply drive as far as possible, box themselves in, then force their way into my lane if there is at least half a car-length between me and whoever is ahead of me in the adjacent lane (forcing me to hit the brakes without regard for whatever is tailgating me)
But if I slow down and keep the path to that space ahead of me (my lane as well as any adjacent lanes) open, then I hold quite a bit of traffic back (particularly on two-lane highways), but I do not see nearly as many crazy stunts by people desperate to tailgate the next obstruction and I can usually coast down or brake very lightly to re-establish a *safe following distance when they pull out in front of me.
That said, all those cars rushing by me do tend to pull all sorts of crazy stunts against each other to try to get into position to pass me, and endanger each other far more than they would without me. But at least I won't be the direct cause of the wreck and probably won't put much energy into it.
(*) enough distance to properly assess problem in front of me and either stop or divert without adding myself to the problem - it is a far greater distance than the vast majority of people suspect or care about.
If the government really wanted to make the roads safer, instead of soaking troublemakers for cash whenever they get caught speeding or ignoring signs & signals, they'd revoke at least 75% of all licenses or find some way to keep the aggressive drivers off the highways & main roads during rush hour.
I disageee; if self-driving cars eventually work as well as some people expect them to they will become the norm very quickly. Whether or not the technology will be good enough to allow that is, as far as I can tell, still an open question. However, some of the largest and most successful companies on the planet are spending billions of dollars a year to develop self-driving cars, and these corporations are not known for having infinite cash reserves or chasing sci-fi fantasies like flying cars. Also, these car companies have a lot to lose if automobiles ever become a mere appliance. That they are investing so heavily in self-driving vehicles suggests that they see fully-autonomous cars as their best road to long-term profitability.
The potential market for self-driving vehicles is huge. Most people are not auto enthusiasts. They drive because they have no choice. In places where public transit is a realistic option the rate of vehicle ownership drops dramatically. Many of these drive-because-they-have-to drivers are going to embrace self-driving cars as soon as they are convinced the technology is mature enough to keep them safe. The various delivery sectors are going to embrace self-driving vehicles too because they eliminates one of their largest recurring costs: paying human drivers. Then there is the aging population. Most people alive today in the US and Canada have been driving all their lives and are not going to want to give up that mobility as they become unable to drive safely. Aging baby boomers are numerous and a natural market for self-driving vehicles. And these are just the markets that come to mind immediately.
Just because you are paranoid does not mean that no-one is out to get you.
Once autonomous cars are commonly accepted then we will have more and more of them on the road. Once critical mass is achieved (not sure what this is) then it can become like I, Robot where autonomous mode can go way faster than manual drive mode. But until the tech is proven, solid, and accepted widely you can't have self-driven cars being at fault in any way or it will be a set back.
Good LORD, what kind of people are you talking to? Everyone I know can't wait to get a vehicle with autopilot.
I think it's much more than that. There are videos on youtube showing teslas driving themselves, making turns, stopping at stop signs, etc., etc. Not all of those features have been enabled for the general public just yet, they are still fine tuning the system.
Did you even read what I said, or are you intentionally cherry picking? If you do the speed limit in places where everyone drives above it, you become a road hazard. So in order to drive safely in those areas, you need to be going about as fast as everyone else.
Let me know when they can follow ruts in the snow, between the telephone poles. And watch out for deer.
Back in my day, a bunch of clowns decided to drive 4 wide down Gratiot Avenue in Detroit at the posted 40 MPH. Hilarity ensued as they tied up the entire city by the time they hit 8 mile. They all got tickets for "obstructing traffic".
Now get off my lawn.
You looked at that $100k price tag on the car and thought it was an intelligent purchase vs anything else available on the market?
You looked at that vehicle that can only be serviced by the dealership instead of a more accessible vehicle that you could maintain yourself and save money and learn things doing it and chose instead to do the $100k price tag car?
You thought buying a car being ran by proprietary software that is at the mercy of the company you bought it from and thought you were going to have "choices" over your own vehicle?
What do you do for a living, and how do I get your job so I can make decisions like this without having to worry about money or consequences?
Except maybe Jimmy Stuart...
An engineer who ran for Congress. http://herbrobinson.us
Real people mostly don't yet know that autonomous driving is available yet. And when they do hear of it they go into Luddite mode and assume that it can't possibly be safe. When the sytems are more widely available, and people are more comfortable with the concept, for sure most of them will want it! Most people hate their daily commute.
You should get your speed up to 70. This works in reverse too.
I call bullshit on that - I just don't believe your car will do 70 in reverse.
The fact is that nobody would get traffic citations if they didn't violate the law.
Having been pulled over for *wearing* a seat belt and then cited, I will respectively disagree with your assertion.
I know I shouldn't explain the joke, but....
Why name it in German? that seems really random.
Because :
For all of the above reasons, "Fahrer" was the thing that sprang into mind during the couple of seconds I decided to come up with this quick joke about a parody OSS alternative to Tesla's Autopilot. Sure, there would probably have been better ideas, but like I said, I only spent a few seconds coming up with the name.
Even this explanation is way to much long for just a simple joke.
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This static figure will create the contention to herald the slaughter of many civilians yet to come.
If someone going 5mph slower than you constitutes a road hazard, you need to wake the fuck up when you're driving.
Eat the rich.
Those poor babies, being forced to actually obey the traffic laws.
My sympathy for them is so tiny, it cannot be measured by any currently available means.
Eat the rich.
It sounds to me like you have a real problem with your driving culture.
Eat the rich.
I once crested a little freeway overpass only to see a cop on the shoulder with his radar gun pointed at me and everyone else. I was doing about 80 in a 60.
Not to worry, I was going with the flow of traffic - and we all jammed on our brakes and slowed down to 60 until we got past him.
That's not very optimal from a road safety standpoint. Changing speeds, especially by braking, disrupts the flow of traffic and causes accidents. Pick a speed and stay with it.
Will you be getting a ticket by driving at that speed past a cop? Then slow the hell down to a legal speed, all the time.
Eat the rich.
I agree with your observations and your approach to traffic. Safe speed, safe distance and a vigilant eye is extremely important.
It really amazed me that people don't realize that keeping a safe following distance actually *speeds up the traffic flow*.
I would much rather have the crazy drivers a safe distance in front of me, so I can anticipate and react to their bullshit idiotic maneuvers, than I would have them tailgating behind me where I have no idea what they're going to do.
Eat the rich.
If you think the speed limits are set too low, petition to have them changed. Don't arbitrarily invent new speed limits that you would rather adhere to.
While newer cars can comfortably cruise at higher speeds than the cars of yesteryear, the average driver has not become anymore vigilant. Rather, they've become a lot more distracted by cellphones, coffee and everything else that goes on.
When you took your license, you agreed to adhere to the laws and limits, no matter how arbitrary they may be. "Arbitrary" speed limits to you, may actually have genuine reasons that you're just not aware of.
Eat the rich.
Sounds to me like you need to revoke ~75% of all driver's licenses, and institute proper driver training instead of the shitshow you have now.
Eat the rich.
You have a systemic problem with your driving culture. The speed *limit* shouldn't really be a hard concept to understand, but it seems a majority of your drivers are just too damn stupid to get it.
Eat the rich.
Basically if the speed limit is 55 and everyone around you is doing 70. You should get your speed up to 70. This works in reverse too (hehe see what I did).
No. Either the speed limit needs to be changed, or the police should actually enforce the current speed limit.
Eat the rich.
Road rules are supposed to be based on safety. Posting a speed limit well below actual traffic speeds does not accomplish that. All it does is increase traffic speed variance (which in turn leads to less safe conditions). The same thing applies to posting unnecessary stop signs for the express purpose of slowing traffic down instead of legitimate safety concerns at intersections with low visibility of conflicting traffic. All that leads to is a disrespect of traffic control devices because a lot of drivers will essentially think that the government is "crying wolf". I'm sure you're well aware of the fact that the NMSL had nothing to do with safety when it was first implemented. Traffic deaths have been going down even though speed limits have been going up. But you continue believing that it's perfectly okay to post speed limits that are essentially irrelevant when driving in traffic (unless you want to become the victim of a rear end collision).
Road rules are supposed to be based on safety. Posting a speed limit well below actual traffic speeds does not accomplish that.
Still didn't read past these two sentences because you are completely wrong. The only time this isn't true is if idiots break the law by driving faster than the imposed limit or are generally impatient fuckwits who should have their licenses cancelled.
Which is all irrelevant. You got a license under the condition that you abide by a set of rules. If you want to change these rules you put yourself in a position to change them. You don't choose which ones to arbitrarily apply because you think they are wrong because ... THAT affects everyone's safety.
The only time this isn't true is if idiots break the law by driving faster than the imposed limit
The imposed limit has nothing to do with safety and there isn't a higher rate of crashes that result from people who exceed it. Again, what good does it do to post a limit below the actual speed of traffic? The speed limit is supposed to be set to the 85th percentile speed of traffic rounded to the nearest 5 mph. In that case, you have less than 2 percent of traffic exceeding the speed limit by more than 5 mph instead of practically all of it going at least 10 mph over. Drivers aren't going to slow down no matter how much you wish and no matter how many names you call them. Just raise speed limits to actual traffic speeds and the speeding problem will go away over night.
And, by the way, there's a real Linux Foundation project for In-Vehicle Information (IVI) linux distributions.
They provide core functionnality, which can then subsequently be customized by vendors.
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