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Windows 10 For PCs Build 14997 Leaks Online (neowin.net)

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft had last week said that it wouldn't be releasing a new Windows 10 build for insiders on Fast ring this year. But the supposed build has leaked online. The build 14997 contains a few new features, such as a refreshed Settings app, theme support from the Store (you might recall that with 14986, you could download them from the Store, but had to install them manually), a number of Edge improvements such as tab expansion, blue light reduction features, and more. Since it's a leaked build, we would suggest treading carefully before downloading it. You might just want to avoid it until it's available from the official channel.

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  1. GNU+Linux is better by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    and 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

    1. Re:GNU+Linux is better by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Also in 2017 we will see the EmDrive and AI and autonomous cars and Mars spacecraft. It will be an exciting year!

    2. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's definitely going to be an odd year.

    3. Re:GNU+Linux is better by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's definitely going to be an odd year.

      Oh, it's going to be prime.

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    4. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      and 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      That's only funny if there is a context for it.

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    5. Re: GNU+Linux is better by mjm1231 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aesthetics are subjective. In my opinion, Windows has been just plain uglier than the defaults in Gnome, KDE, and Unity for quite a number of years.

      Also, I guess you don't count hanging, freezing, lost windows and dialog boxes, inconsistent or inaccessible user interfaces (try reinstalling the default photo viewer, or the calculator app in Windows 10) as rough edges. Windows is way behind on these also.

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    6. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fedora on my laptop for so long, I can't remember. Probably around Fedora 6.

      Desktops, it was Linux since the 486

      Really, at this point in time, Linux is totally viable for the average user. I handed a pre-installed Linux to my non-computer using Mother-in-Law back in 2005, and she was telling me how to configure things I had never tinkered with. (She had the advantage of not knowing MS Windows)

      The only people that can't user Linux are the ones that insist it is broken if it isn't 100% exactly like windows. Why they want their C: volumes and shitty "every release we hide the options in a different place" design features is beyond me.

    7. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Beta was better than VHS too. Who won that war again?

    8. Re: GNU+Linux is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ever since the XP candyland theme, windows has been nothing but butt ugly.

    9. Re:GNU+Linux is better by smallfries · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It has some features by default that really need to get added into Windows 10.

      If I set Windows Defender to be off - I want it off - do not re-enable it on a timer.
      If I do not want the machine to update - do not forcibly reboot it.
      If I have edited the registry to avoid it rebooting after an update - do not edit it back in behind my back.

      When I am running a machine in a closed environment and I only want it to change / update / reboot at desired times I don't expect Microsoft to "know better" and do it anyway. Also, it would be nice if SLI worked properly instead of over-reporting VRAM to games and causing crashes because of "memory leaks"...

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    10. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Beta was better than VHS too. Who won that war again?

      The one with the longer running time that could actually fit an entire movie on a single tape when the formats were originally released. The cheaper one. The one that was licensed to any manufacturer who wanted it rather than just a single supplier. Which format had all that? Not the "better" Betamax. While Beta had a slightly better picture quality, it lost out in every other way to VHS.

      Once again, Sony had a great product, but was ultimately hampered by the fact that it was Sony.

    11. Re: GNU+Linux is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Windows isn't that unstable.

      I like Linux, but when I upgraded Linux mint the upgrade failed.

      The sooner we quit with the brainwashed bs, the sooner issues get fixed

    12. Re:GNU+Linux is better by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If I have edited the registry

      Wrong. Either provide a facility to customise and track the setting or don't. But I would never expect an OS to attempt to keep track of modified registry settings during an update. Doing so would break the ability to update windows.

      When I am running a machine in a closed environment and I only want it to change / update / reboot at desired times I don't expect Microsoft to "know better" and do it anyway.

      If you're running in a closed environment why would it reboot? It's not going to install updates so it won't.

    13. Re:GNU+Linux is better by execthis · · Score: 1

      and 2017 will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

      I agree wholeheartedly. Actually 2016 for me was the Year of the Great Revival of the Linux Desktop, with special thanks to Microsoft for pushing me over the edge with their telemetry and the general crap that Win10 is. I'm a Never-Win10'er - I will never use it in my life, guaranteed, and only have Win8 on one dedicated music system at home that runs a funky driver for a synthesizer I use. Other than that I'm all Linux and absolutely loving it.

      Check out KDE Neon or Linux Mint Cinnamon. Check out Wine which has become so good that you can run a ton of stuff including Acrobat. Crossover Office now supports Office 2013. You can pretty much do everything on a Linux system now and much more happily.

    14. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 2

      No, video professionals used Betacam, which is not the same as Betamax. See the Wikipedia entry:

      Although there is a superficial similarity between Betamax and Betacam in that they use the same tape cassette, they are really quite different formats. Betamax records relatively low resolution video using a heterodyne color recording system and only two recording heads, while Betacam uses four heads to record in component format, at a much higher linear tape speed of 10.15 cm/s (3.99606 in./s) compared with Betamax's 1.87 cm/s (0.7362205 in./s), resulting in much higher video and audio quality.

    15. Re: GNU+Linux is better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like Windows, but when I tried to upgrade Windows 10 the upgrade failed.

      The sooner we quit with the brainwashed bs, the sooner the issues get fixed..

    16. Re: GNU+Linux is better by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

      My sister in law, bless her heart, bought me a Dell laptop for Christmas, actually a pretty nice Latitude, but it came with Windows 10, which I detest and will NOT use. Fortuately I carry a spare SATA drive in my backpack with Ubuntu 16.04 installed, and the first thing I did after making sure the battery was charged and the system would boot, was grab my screwdriver and remove the Windows 10 disk and put the Ubuntu in. She was kind of insulted at first, till I showed her what an improvement Linux was over the "turd_in_the_punchbowl" that is Windows 10. I'll hang on to the Windows 10 disk in case I have to call for support for any failed hardware, not that I expect any... Now SIL wants me to put Linux on her laptop.... Somebody's gotta say it FUCK MICROSOFT!!'

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    17. Re:GNU+Linux is better by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Better than 2017 being the year that windows coming with a vibrate feature and lubricant to make that probe slide in easier. New settings app so that M$ can more readily overide your fantasy privacy settings. It spread you wide when you are not looking and when you go to check, it closes everything up and when you checking, it spreads you wide open again. They were just doing with compulsory upgrades (what the score, three times now) but it was pissing everyone off, hence the new app to hide it and they fuckers make you pay for the invasions, seriously true fucking arse holes.

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    18. Re:GNU+Linux is better by smallfries · · Score: 2

      It reboots because Microsoft used forced reboots on a timer, after forcibly downloading updates, after forcibly switching those setting back on.

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    19. Re:GNU+Linux is better by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Awwww bless. I hope you had a good christmas.

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    20. Re:GNU+Linux is better by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So you're not running in a closed environment then if you're system is going on the internet and getting some updates.

      Thanks for clarifying.

      Windows 10 doesn't reboot in a closed environment because it can't auto-update in a closed environment.

    21. Re:GNU+Linux is better by smallfries · · Score: 1

      That's interesting, I may have to experiment with blacklisting it in the router and see what effect it has.

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    22. Re:GNU+Linux is better by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      Linking to wikipedia marks one out as intellectually deficient.

      Do you have a citation to back up this claim? You might think that linking to Wikipedia may be bad (even though this is not a controversial topic), but providing no links at all just makes you a time-wasting troll.

      But if you want more information, try this.

  2. Microsoft has run out of ideas... by unixisc · · Score: 1, Insightful

    ...which is evident when one has to tinker w/ settings (already gone through several changes) and themes rather than do anything substantial.

    One thing I suggested to them (I beta tested when Windows 10 was not released) and never saw was them adding the ability to view video in the Photos app (for videos of the family that are taken) as well as in the Groove app (since the Movies app is mainly for movies). In the iToys, one can have music videos in a playlist, which is handy if one is driving. With Windows, I have a rich supply of music videos that I downloaded off YouTube and which I can play fine under Movies, but Movies doesn't have playlist support. Also, under Movies, I get downloaded music mixed w/ videos that I've taken, which messes things up. Instead, keep Movies for movies and TV shows, have Groove for music audio and videos, and have Photos for still and motion videos. Granted that 3 apps would have the same capability, but it would have different purposes.

    1. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      Is there no Windows Media Player in 10? Not that I'd ever use it by choice when there are alternatives like VLC around, but it should suit your needs if it's still there.

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    2. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No, Media Player was deprecated in 10: in fact, even if you upgraded from 7 or 8 to 10, Media Player is deleted from the new installation.

    3. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      I can't speak to Microsoft, but I prefer it that way. If I'm looking at an album of my family, I don't want to see my music collection amongst that. Similarly, if I am setting up a playlist of my songs, I don't want to see family pictures or serials or movies. The 3 programs sort it out pretty cleanly, but they need to extend some of the capabilities. Like Groove already has playlists - I just wanna plug in my music videos. Photos are already there, but while browsing that, I also want to see video clips of the kids there, rather than in the app that I use to hear or watch songs.

      If I used VLC for all, it would be a tad confusing, given that each has its own role

    4. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      No its not, i use Windows Media Player every day. Unlike the modern player, WMP will play while minimized. Media CENTER was deprecated.

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    5. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 1

      Windows Media Player is still there in 10, it was the 10 foot Windows Media Center that was removed along with the ability for Windows to play DVD's out of the box, unless you upgraded from Professional or Ultimate and got lucky with their limited-time offer of a free player.

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    6. Re: Microsoft has run out of ideas... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Which would seem to go against VLC. Although the 'do one thing and do it well' seems to be more applicable to command line unix/linux commands, rather than applications, which are pretty elaborate

    7. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You are right - thanks for correcting me here. It was indeed Media Center that was deprecated

      Anyway, to answer newcastlejon's question above, Media Player is there on PCs, but I had given them the above suggestion w/ both Windows 10 Mobile and tablets in mind. At the time, I had a Winbook, as well as a Windows Phone. While I didn't think of Media Player in the Winbook, now that he mentioned it, I went to my Windows Phone and looked for it. It's not there, since it's a legacy application that Microsoft chose not to port. Coming to think about it and what it had, it could indeed have done what I'm looking for. The phone otherwise works great - like even if I'm playing a video in movies and hearing it on the car stereo system, I can skip forward/back using the control buttons on the steering wheel. Which is why I suggested to them adding playlists to Groove.

    8. Re:Microsoft has run out of ideas... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      sorry, I meant adding videos to groove so that they could be arranged in playlists

  3. WHO CARES? Windows is a dead spyware. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    WHO CARES, REALLY?
    Windows is a dead spyware.
    Time to move on.

  4. No, TrueOS by unixisc · · Score: 1

    I finally found and bought a TrueOS CD from OSDisc.com and installed it last week, finally upgrading my PC-BSD 10.2 system. Unfortunately, the name change from PC-BSD to TrueOS needlessly disrupted the migration process by disabling the PC-BSD mirrors that were previously used for the upgrades. That in turn left pretty old versions of Firefox and Chromium locked at those versions: nothing in AppCafe could be upgraded. Lumina is now better than ever, and I don't need to install KDE/GNOME/LXDE/XFCE or any other DE.

    For Linux, I tried buying SteamOS from the same site, but got the response that Valve includes proprietary software that they don't allow third parties to distribute

  5. I'm not installing Windows 10 till it's done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    According to Microsoft, it's the last version of Windows, which means by definition it'll never be "done". I have no interest in signing up to become a perpetual beta tester. Guess it's Win 7 for me until I have to find something else...

    1. Re:I'm not installing Windows 10 till it's done. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      All OSs are like that - they require you to upgrade/update, except that they are more polite about it and let you select when to do it. I've just installed TrueOS, which is based on FreeBSD current, and which automatically updates on its own. Also, the applications that I've downloaded - Chromium, Calligra and FreeCiv - I've allowed the browsers to automatically update, and I'd give the others the same permission as well. In the last millennium, hard disk storage was an issue: not anymore

      And to speak to the GP, Windows is done in that it's perfectly stable: however, one does have to keep current w/ the malware, which is why I enable Windows Defender on my other laptop which does have Windows 10. The only issue is Telemetry, and it would be nice if Microsoft enabled us full control to either enable or disable everything. When Windows 10 was first out, I had issues w/ forced daily updates, but that's gone away. However, due to the telemetry issues, I make it a point to use TrueOS/PC-BSD for anything that involves my own personal information: my Windows laptop is only used when an online system I'm dealing w/ requires me to use some Windows software while working w/ it

  6. Title is a little misleading. by fleabay · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Windows 10 For PCs Build 14997 Leaks Online"

    but that's AFTER you install it.

    1. Re:Title is a little misleading. by mykepredko · · Score: 1

      That was the way I first read it - the headline made it sound like it would be putting out user information once it was installed.

  7. Microsoft Windows 10 is now like IBM OS/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Windows 10 is the only windows version I did not bother to install in any of my PCs. Nowadays I run all Linux. I also used MacOSX in the past, but since Tiger is going downhill, each version worse than previous.

  8. And further forwarded it elsewhere by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

    Since it's a leaked build, we would suggest treading carefully before downloading it. You might just want to avoid it until it's available from the official channel.

    Good idea. You wouldn't wanna accidentally install something that monitored everything you did and sent that info back to somewhere.

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  9. Microsoft has no competent top-level managers? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Microsoft has run out of ideas..."

    I think Microsoft has no competent top-level managers. It appears to me that Satya Nadella was chosen to be CEO because he was less annoying than the other candidates who were considered. Nadella doesn't seem to have the immense social and technology skills that are required for running a huge technology organization.

    Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer was called Monkey Boy on the cover of BusinessWeek Magazine. He appeared to have little or no technical knowledge. He appeared to have no interest in learning.

    Because Microsoft has a virtual monopoly, it is easy to make money. (Apple charges 3 to 5 times more, and has only 7.4% of PC computer sales.)

    1. Re:Microsoft has no competent top-level managers? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Man, I miss NTK.

    2. Re:Microsoft has no competent top-level managers? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I used to wonder why he was called that until I saw this video of him - see just the first 30 seconds of this clip. I do think more than technical knowledge, what he lacked was common sense. That was what explained the whole Windows 8 fiasco, although Nadella has arguably made things worse.

  10. Refreshed Settings App! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

    >such as a refreshed Settings app,

    It's important to keep moving things around in the settings app. You don't want people becoming too familiar with where things are.

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  11. Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've heard that users of Windows 10 Enterprise can eliminate most of the nasty qualities found in Windows 10 Professional edition.

    I've also heard that the biggest barrier to obtaining Windows 10 Enterprise is that Microsoft will only sell licenses in very large (1000+?) quantities.

    If all of the above are true, has anyone looked into forming a Windows 10 Enterprise "Buyers Club"? I.e., we get 1000 would-be users of Windows 10 Enterprise, and form a purchasing block. The "organization" through which the licensing occurs would be that buyer's club.

    Perhaps my Google-Fu is weak, but I've found nothing on the web discussing this approach.

    1. Re:Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2

      you found nothing because people that want enterprise already have it, because its online, for free, with a nice activator to boot

      If I understand you correctly, you're referring to copies of W10E for which the user does not have a valid license.

      The users I mostly have in mind are the owners of small, law-abiding businesses based in the U.S. If I've understood you correctly, that solution would not be viable for these people.

    2. Re:Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I've heard that users of Windows 10 Enterprise can eliminate most of the nasty qualities found in Windows 10 Professional edition.

      If you're talking about controlling windows update then just install one of those after market packages to make it work. If you're talking about telemetry then don't hold your breath. Enterprise builds leak no more or less than the professional builds with the options turned off. Which is to say search still calls up cortana, apps still leak shit on the web, and in general nothing really is different.

      The idea of a purchasing block is silly because of the huge expense vs no benefit of what you can get right now with a simple software download.

    3. Re:Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "... then just install one of those after market packages to make it work..."

      You know, in the reality I used to live in, we made after-market packages to add functionality to the OS that it didn't have. We definitely did NOT make them to turn off stupid unnecessary shit that the OS is doing that we don't want it to do.

      Of course, in the reality I used to live in, a president Trump wasn't a thing that could even get a chuckle, much less actually happen.

      I seem to have lost the keys to my proper reality - if anyone can find a way to send me back, I'd appreciate you doing so.

    4. Re:Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? by mea2214 · · Score: 1
      A better approach is for some lawyer to organize a class action lawsuit against MS and sue the shit out of them where a judge mandates they stop forced updates/reboots and machines whose owner does not want it to reboot on all editions (default opt out, ask opt in). Messing with someone else's property is unethical and possibly very illegal. The telemetry they send is described here: https://technet.microsoft.com/... A note at the end states this:

      Microsoft does not intend to gather sensitive information, such as credit card numbers, usernames and passwords, email addresses, or other similarly sensitive information for Linguistic Data Collection. We guard against such events by using technologies to identify and remove sensitive information before linguistic data is sent from the user’s device. If we determine that sensitive information has been inadvertently received, we delete the information.

      They admit that they might accidentally harvest your bank's username and password but are magnanimous in that they will toss that info into a bit bucket. This has got to be very illegal but MS seems too big to prosecute and can now do whatever the fuck it wants.

    5. Re:Windows 10 Enterprise Buyer's Club? by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      except it's neither, if this was possible on any mass scale

      1) it would have already happened.

      2) MS would have never had that as a policy

      The owner has the freedom to use another OS if the updates are a problem, and ms has the right to sell a product as they see fit. There is no problem, except for those that want to stay on windows.

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  12. SpyFalcon for PCs Build 14997 Leaks Online by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to install the latest malware and try all of the new exciting features!

  13. Who'd want a leaked version of Win10? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there any Windows 10 user left that doesn't feel enough like a Beta tester already from having the updates crammed down his throat that he'd really want to install something that's most likely even more prone to "interesting behaviour"?

    Wake me when Win10 becomes usable. Until then you can leak it all you want, nobody who didn't already drink the KoolAid will care.

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