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Windows 10 Gains 14% Desktop Market Share in 2016, Edge Continues to Struggle (petri.com)
From a report by long time Microsoft watcher Brad Sams on Petri.com: With 2016 now behind us, we can take a look at how far Windows 10 has come thanks to usage-share with statistics from Net Marketshare. At the end of December for 2016, Windows 10 is installed on roughly 24.5% of devices whereas, at the end of 2015, the OS was only installed on around 10% of machines. During the same period, Windows 7 declined from 55.68% to 48.34%, Windows 8.1 usage dropped from 10.3% to 6.9% and XP dropped slightly from 11% to about 9%. Also, released alongside Windows 10, is the company's new browser, Edge. While the market share of the desktop OS has grown steadily, Edge has not performed as well. At the end of 2015, Edge obtained a market share of 2.79% and at the end of 2016, it has climbed to 5.33%. But, Chrome, which had a market share of 32.33% at the end of 2015 now commands 56.43% of the market. During the same period, Internet Explorer dropped from 46.32% in 2015 to 20.84% in 2016.
It's still a turd of an operating system.
The only reason they can show higher adoption numbers is because they FORCED it on people.
Of course Edge is struggling, its not yet got a good plugin system, and by extension no decent ad blocker yet. The browser itself is pretty nice, IMHO, but until it's got things like ad blocking, tracker blocking or disconnect, it's always going to be slower and use more power than the others simply because it's doing more work.
I've just moved to Windows 10 for work and and Edge just doesn't run on my machine. It opens and then closes straight away. Googling the problem has shown it appears to be affecting a reasonable number of users. I can't be bothered to spend more than an hour trying to fix it.
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Surely this cannot be seen as a success, even by the rose-coloured glasses that Microsoft PR usually looks through.
It is a colossal failure.
he who lives by the Enterprise Management tool dies by the Enterprise Management tool. More and more I have to put users on Chrome because the numbskulls who manage their domain profiles have cranked IE's security settings so high nothing works. And there are so many esoteric settings buried in the registry good luck finding the one causing your JavaScript to go haywire. But they let 'em install Chrome. So I get to have this conversation a lot:
Me: Does it work in Chrome?
Them: Yes.
Me: Wanna spend 8-16 hours of your life figuring out which of the 800+ settings it could be that's breaking IE?
Them: No.
Me: Use Chrome.
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As in "standing on the edge", "the edge of the knife", "edge your way across". Interesting choice.
Funny quote:
"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over." -Hunter S. Thompson
When I launch a browser I want to start using it immediately, not after it has pestered me about some bullshiat I care nothing about. It is insanely frustrating to have Edge ignore the fact that I am typing a URL and have it take me off to some recommended shiat page telling me how much better Edge is than its competition. Quit trying to sell me on your walled garden web experience and stay out of my way, you imbeciles. Your UI includes a Stop button for a reason. The fact that it doesn't work when you are cramming your shit in my face only serves to piss me off.
Why would Microsoft care how many people use Edge or IE?
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I want to believe MS has competent design managers working for them. Maybe they are being micromanaged to the point of irrelevance, but I want to believe that after 20 years of trying to make a decent web browser they'd achieve success...or lacking that, they'd fail because some idiot manager keeps fucking them up.
Because damn...I'm embarrassed FOR them. How do you not put out at least a baseline capable browser by this point? Multi-billion dollar company who's spent 20+ years in the market, and they still fuck it up.
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My Xmas present to my parents - remove that piece of shit MS Windows 10 off their laptop and restore MS Windows 7 on it.
The utterly braindead MS Windows 10 installer decided to run itself on an i3 machine with 2GB of memory. That made the machine totally unusable despite Firefox and Skype being the only programs used.
Changing it to MS Win7 gave it a usable interface that doesn't change or put ads in your face. Putting in 8GB of memory did the rest.
I don't use Windows 10.
I'll stick with Debian, thank you.
A better statistic would be to combine IE and Edge usage.
In 12 months you see it drop from over 50% to 26%.
Regardless of what we think about Edge and Windows 10, we do have to acknowledge that at least Edge's market share is growing.
Like the article states:
So although it may not be doing well compared to Chrome in absolute terms, at least its share of the market did increase during 2015, and then it increased again during 2016.
Compared to a browser like Firefox, which has been losing market share for quite some time now, Edge is doing very well.
Users are adopting Edge. Users are fleeing from Firefox. If Edge is considered to be "struggling", even though it's growing and taking more of the market, then Firefox must be in a much, much worse state.
What I'd like to know is what percentage of the machines running Windows 10 were stealth upgrades, and how many of those weren't reverted because the users either didn't know that they could go back to their old system or were afraid to try.
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Downgrading to Windows 7 was the best thing I have done to my desktop.
Windows 10, even a year after its original release, had signs of being a beta product at best. One problem I have been struggling with was the machine's CPU eventually constantly at 30-40% use with no obvious causes. I have tried all of the half-baked canned answers from Microsoft, including disabling/enabling/changing AV, disabling Microsoft services, and even wiping out and reinstalling the OS.
The next issue is with the updater. This damned thing simply eventually stops working. It shows there are pending updates, starts the downloads, but then sits at 0%. I have tried every canned answer provided on the Microsoft forums, including resetting the update components and wiping and reinstalling the OS.
And finally, I am not fine at all with an OS that decides to reboot the machine whenever it likes. It's downright dangerous to leave any work open. I have been caught off guard by reboots a few times.
Edge needs to fix its bookmark toolbar. You can't arrange your bookmarks by dragging and dropping them. And the limitations on bookmark text because they still are NTFS file system files needs to die. NTFS filesystem character limitations need to die.
and had declined for 4 years. Everything points towards continued decline for Windows sales for 2016. So 2016 will probably be fifth year with declining sales for Windows.
As for Windows - they stopped selling Windows 7 and 8 in 2016 so well of course Windows 10 will continue to increase. Customer can't get anything else in the future.
Android had 54% in 2015. So looks like mobile is the way to go.
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Just saying it like it are.
As for Windows - they stopped selling Windows 7 and 8 in 2016 so well of course Windows 10 will continue to increase. Customer can't get anything else in the future.
GNU/Linux is still available for desktop PCs, as is macOS for PCs made by Apple.
Android had 54% in 2015. So looks like mobile is the way to go.
Say I want to retire a luddite PC and use apps to app apps. How practical is it to use AIDE or another tool on an Android tablet for developing Android apps?
I was under the impression that the name "Edge" came from <meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=edge"> used to disable legacy document mode in Internet Explorer.
The high use of Chrome was triggered by issues with Firefox (which I think have been well managed by now).
I consider Firefox's issues managed as of Firefox 51, which brings the first round of Electrolysis to most users so that scrolling and tab switching aren't quite as affected by inefficient ad serving scripts.
(Unlike Firefox 50, which uses a whitelist of e10s-compatible extensions, Firefox 51 uses a blacklist of incompatible extensions. The "Ubuntu Firefox Modifications" extension that ships with the Xubuntu operating system is on neither list. So to get e10s, I have to join the beta channel by enabling the firefox-next PPA.)
Open Group Policy Editor (Press Windows Key and type gpedit.msc and hit Enter.
Last time I tried gpedit.msc on a home edition of Windows, I got an error message to the effect "not found". So it appears users who want to access files with long names would have to either pay to upgrade to Windows 10 Pro or pirate the Group Policy Editor snap-in. What am I missing?
Now that people have their OS with games and hardware for DirectX 12 support?
As for browsers, support for blocking all ads and related malware is a trending feature.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
The strong arm and bully people, and they have yet to reach a 25% penetration, less than 6% with their browser, which is the default that the illiterate masses won't be able, or won't care, to change. Well done, Microsoft; living up to expectations. Consider yourself, once again, middle fingered.
Linux, on the other hand, was a buggy piece of crap... You get used to having all the bugs there and I don't know if it's just my perception, but it seems a lot of open source projects don't have nearly enough people squashing bugs. Everyone seems to want to add more features instead of fixing the bugs. I spent some time on a mac and thought I was in heaven, but my wallet wasn't. Windows 10, however... first OS they've done right in a long time.
Funny Netmarketshare is showing something different for me. Not that I like WIndows 10 as the best OS ever, but just saying
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The time of Microsoft is gone for good. At least for me. I use Macs at work, Linux at home and PlayStation for gaming. The right system/device for the right task.
- OSX is a really nice piece of software when you get used to it.
- I am yet to find a thing that can't be done on Linux. Sure, some tasks are non-trivial but everything is possible if you have the knowledge.
- PlayStation because I've already completed all the old PC games I desired since childhood and I just want to have fun out-of-the-box now.
Speaking about Edge and IE, I am a back end Django developer for a big international company. Having made extensive research of the market and discussed the case with pretty much every dev at the company, we stopped giving a crap about Edge and IE mid 2016. Firstly, because of the low market share. Secondly, because to us Edge and IE are both like a POS at the end of a stick and the ordeal you have to go through to make things work is simply not worth the candle.
Letting programmers name a software product makes as much sense as letting marketers write it.
When it comes to turd OS adoption announcements they really don't mean much either.
You could say for example that the number of people that couldn't take it anymore and slit their wrists is up 14% this year over last.
Or perhaps the number of people that jumped in front of the train after Windows 10 self installs and then crashes your HDD and deletes all digital memories of their poor deceased mother is on the rise.
"Suppose you were an idiot...and suppose you were a member of Congress...but I repeat myself." Mark Twain
From a business perspective give me the following and I will upgrade:
1. Make it look and feel like Windows 7; I do not wan't to have to explain to hundreds or thousands of computer illiterate people why things have changed and where everything has gone, I just want them to continue to be able to do their jobs using the bespoke applications we run. The move to the ribbon interface in Office was a nightmare, I don't want to do that again.
2. Give me all the group policy controls and customisation that I currently have in Windows 7.
3. Give me the ability to disable all the telemetry; we are a UK based highly regulated financial services company, we have to be able to prove that none of our data leaves our company network and Win10 is oh so leaky. Yes I know about Win 10 enterprise but (a) I'm not prepared to pay a tax to only reduce telemetry and (b) I want telemetry completely disabled, I can already do this in Windows 7 using policies and scripts.
I have already been asked by the higher ups whether Linux or Mac is an option, I said not just yet and don't worry about it as Windows 7 is still viable until 2020, after all, we are still running machines with Windows XP on them and we have had zero issues.
Give us a corporate Windows with all those things Microsoft and we'll talk, until then we are sticking with Win7.
From the figures linked to by the original article, FF went from 11.68% in Jan 2015 to 12.22% in Dec. Hardly users "fleeing" - not what it was, but still comfortably twice anything but IE or Chrome.
Maybe if you're going to do things that belong on a server you should run a server operating system rather than desktop? Like Windows Server or, better yet, Linux?
Win2k and Windows XP were Microsoft's answer to that, giving people a server operating system based on NT instead of a relative toy like Win98/ME. MS Windows 10 has gone back to the approach of a toy that just happens to be built on what used to be a server operating system.
Whenever I here of W10 market share improvements, especially with people who rave about it. I just think, go ahead sheeple and get pwned by Microsoft, so long as *I* keep being able to use alternatives.. don't care if they get 95% market share with it.
Edge is the worst POS browser Microsoft has done yet. Get's worse instead of better, freezes or stops responding a lot even on a fresh install. What's even worse is the complex task of how to reset it which is much worse than IE was. I cannot believe Microsoft thought Edge was ever going to be a good browser? As for Windows 10 it's better than Windows 8 by far and worse than Windows 7 in many ways. It's still mess of a split personality between tablet, smartphone, and desktop OS that simply degrades itself to fit into all those platforms.
I haven't understood the push for Edge, even with the previews I've been on for a couple years. It's far behind Chrome or Firefox in terms of features and it stinks to even try to use. I'm not patient enough to wait for their Agile-built app to go through enough sprints to become good. It's seems to me like when you are dropping your new app into an already fairly crowded space, the minimal marketable product must at least provide a damn-near level set of features to what is there.
Current uptime? Six months.
Learn how to run an operating system, you tool.
Why the fuck to I have to put HTML formatting into posts here?
You can't even fucking Slashdot, yet you're trying to pretend you have the balls to manage an operating system? Really?
I have a Windows 10 box. Every couple of days it displays an advertisement claiming Edge is some percentage faster or more secure than Firefox. I wonder what other programs it does this too? If I run OpenOffice will it display an ad for Microsoft Office? If I run bash will it advertise powershell?
First, we can't tell if you're lying or not. Secondly, it doesn't materially affect your claims at all. Running linux doesn't make windows run less stably, though MS would like to do so and blame Linux...
In the interests of "ease of use", everything you could use if you were informed and competent is hidden and unavailable, usually done by the OS itself. So it's not that Windows is fisher price, but that all it lets you do is fisher price work. That, by the way, is the problem I have with systemd: it hides so much to be "easy to use" that if it doesn't work or you know what you're doing, you're fucked, because the option to manually override the "artificial intelligence" of systemd is totally unavailable. Unless you hack your own version of the code to help you out. Similarly, the server version of Windows may give you the tools. But either workaround of the designer deciding for you what you're allowed to do requires you to go into full professional mode if fisher price isn't working for you.
But since they are mental states that you have no access to, this assumption is merely your assertion based on YOUR thoughts. We can't say WHY you want to think that Linux users are whining about it not being the year of the Linux desktop,but we CAN see that this is what you project onto Linux users if they DARE to not like Windows' UI. That you cannot think of a good reason (even if you disagree with it, as with, say liking or not boiled cabbage) indicates that you want to be RIGHT and those disagreeing with you WRONG,and will not consider that there may be valid reasons for their actions.
What we CAN get from this is that your entire screed there is highly bigoted and unreliable, therefore even as anecdote it fails.
Yet the number of people who didnt know they were upgraded to Win10 until after it ran for the first time indicates that your awareness is at least unreliable.
The complaint isn't that money was stolen,but marketshare, so "wallet" is irrelevant in rebuttal of THAT claim.
Your idea is like trying to "defend" your bullying by saying that since nobody else saw who hit who first, you aren't the bully.
So THAT claim is a load of bollocks.
My father-in-law got a PC with Edge a few years back and quickly ran into some malware that reset the Edge home page to some kind of FBI warning type ransomeware. I could not find anywhere how to reset the home page.
That should have been one of the easiest fixes in the world, but instead I had to hack around it with a new icon that would launch Google's search page instead.
Nope, still won't work.
Whatever, grandpa.
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I swear, MS can simply do no right by some people. People are still chomping at the bit for them to fail. I will never understand it. Don't like their stuff, fine, don't use it. But the amounts of disinformation, made up "facts" etc. around this OS is more than usual funny. Adoption keeps growing, after the free period and people are besides themselves every time it's reported...
"Science is the power of man"
why feed the troll? i mean really....
I have seen ugly flame wars turn into really interesting discussions, and while it's the exception rather than the norm, it just cannot happen if one gives up on trolls too quickly. Things can turn nasty because some people are unable to manage their emotions, not just because they're being mischievous, so it doesn't always mean there's nothing worth discussing under the layer of childish insults.
When the discussion becomes only empty insults then it's a dead end, but as long as there's something to address that could be of interest to other readers I don't see a problem with feeding trolls.
lucm, indeed.
Your fanboy shit of "clearly has no clue what the hell they are talking about" is the way you treat people like a professional? As I see it, I am not treating you as a professional because you are not acting like one, so that makes two of us with mutual contempt, but I most certainly have not made this personal. Suggesting that you are completely and utterly incorrect is not personal - your "clearly has no clue what the hell they are talking about" came in many posts before my much milder "if you are under such a delusion" .
Only if your remote management tools are shit two decades out of date. Also guess what runs on those SANs - it's not MS Windows is it?
It's not the year 2001 with the mythical "longhorn just around the corner" that was going to be better than everything else so what are you still pushing that very stale old line?