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Intel's New Mini PCs Have New Chips, an Updated Design, and Thunderbolt 3 (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: In the last four or five years, Intel's "Next Unit of Computing" (NUC) hardware has evolved from interesting experiments to pace cars for the rest of the mini desktop business. Mini PCs represent one of the few segments of the desktop computing business that actually has growth left in it, and every year the NUC has added new features that make it work for a wider audience. This year's models, introduced alongside the rest of Intel's new "Kaby Lake" processor lineup at CES, include new processors with new integrated GPUs, but that's probably the least interesting thing about them. Thanks to the demise of Intel's "tick-tock" strategy, the processing updates are minor. Kaby Lake chips include smaller performance and architectural improvements than past generations, and the year-over-year improvements have been mild over the last few years. The big news is in all the ways you can get bytes into and out of these machines. There are two Core i3 models (NUC7i3BNK and NUC7i3BNH), two Core i5 models (NUC7i5BNK and NUC7i5BNH), and one Core i7 model (NUC7i7BNH) -- that last one is intended to replace the older dual-core Broadwell i7 NUC and not the recent quad-core "Skull Canyon" model. The Core i3 and i5 versions come in both "short" and "tall" cases, the latter of which offers space for a 2.5-inch laptop-sized SATA hard drive or SSD. The i7 version only comes in a "tall" version. Like past NUCs, all five models offer two laptop-sized DDR4 RAM slots and an M.2 slot for SATA and PCI Express SSDs (up to four lanes of PCIe 3.0 bandwidth is available). Bluetooth and 802.11ac Wi-Fi is built-in. As for the rest of the NUCs' features, Intel has drawn a line between the Core i3 model and the i5/i7 models. All of the boxes include four USB 3.0 ports (two on the front, two on the back), a headphone jack, an IR receiver, an HDMI 2.0 port, a gigabit Ethernet port, a microSD card slot, a dedicated power jack, and a new USB-C port that can be used for data or DisplayPort output (the dedicated DisplayPort is gone, and this port can't be used to power the NUCs). In the i5 and i7 models, the USB-C port is also a full-fledged Thunderbolt 3 port, the first time any of the smaller dual-core NUCs have included Thunderbolt since the old Ivy Bridge model back in 2012.

92 comments

  1. Don't forget the backdoor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://hackaday.com/2016/11/28/neutralizing-intels-management-engine/

    1. Re:Don't forget the backdoor! by Z80a · · Score: 1

      At least we know how defeat the intel one.
      People should work on defeating the AMD thing as well, then will be all fine.. until they patch it up.

    2. Re:Don't forget the backdoor! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You mean the features people have in the past been paying a premium for?

    3. Re:Don't forget the backdoor! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I didn't. That was covered under medical insurance.

    4. Re: Don't forget the backdoor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't. That was covered under medical insurance.

      ooh, free baby genital mutilation - nevermind then! At least your kid won't grow up thinking he has a right to body autonomy.

    5. Re:Don't forget the backdoor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go ahead and link to any evidence of it, since you're not making shit up from pure ass-scratch?

  2. Re: First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You pulled a Hillary.

  3. Re: First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot polled the elite, and Hillary won.

  4. Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Suggestion for Intel: just put in it a second gigabit ethernet (with OSS drivers, please) and become the king of the security-concious/I-like-to-control-my-network crowd. I would buy it just to avoid searching into the compatibility matrix of Tomato/OpenWRT/etc

    1. Re:Two ethernet ports by Pete+(big-pete) · · Score: 1

      A few seconds with Google and I found this USB 3.0 to Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet Adapter NIC

      -- Pete.

    2. Re:Two ethernet ports by heson · · Score: 2

      Stick a vlan capable switch in front of it and tag two VLAN inside and outside. It will be faster than most consumer grade router/firewall even if it does share 1Gbit for bort in and out.

    3. Re:Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooooooooo, hey there, speedy. I'm over here in your country, lowering your national average! And at these speeds, I still stream as much as I want. Hahahahahaha!

    4. Re:Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They have thunderbolt ports - you can do thunderbolt to dual 10G if you really want.

    5. Re:Two ethernet ports by swb · · Score: 1

      Aye, dual Ethernet is the feature that seems to be missing from them. There are of course workarounds involving USB3 dongles but I'm not sure if any of the common ones using ASIX chips have support in something like pfSense, although apparently there is a driver for ESXi that will support them as NUCs have been popular lab machines for VMware setups.

      Even if the dongle solution works in a given use case, it's still a cursed dongle and not the clean built-in port solution.

      In addition to the second Ethernet port, I'd like to see rack mount ears made for it with space to accommodate the PSU brick and any dongles you'd consider adding.

      Really though, what you end up wanting kind of already exists -- https://www.supermicro.com/pro...

      I'd call that the rack mount NUC on steroids, although the price point is higher than a NUC.

    6. Re:Two ethernet ports by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Actually, more cell towers than ever are using licensed wireless and microwave to connect back to other hub sites. AT&T and Verizon are the ones pushing this technology more than others.

    7. Re: Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Routing with a USB LAN adapter?

      No.

    8. Re: Two ethernet ports by MrNaz · · Score: 2

      This is what you want:

      http://www.qotom.net/goods-129...

      I have pfSense running on one of those and all I can say is TASTY.

      --
      I hate printers.
    9. Re:Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They will hit copper/fiber eventually, pretty sure that was OPs point The wireless links are so they don't have to run fiber to that rural tower in some farmers field.

      Run a fiber with enough capacity for 10 towers to the most easily accessible one then link all the towers in the surrounding area via microwave.

    10. Re: Two ethernet ports by swb · · Score: 1

      That's not bad! Thanks for the tip. The SuperMicro server I posted a link is definitely overkill for just pfSense (it's really a great virtualization box), for pfSense you really only need a low power system with multiple NICs.

    11. Re:Two ethernet ports by pak9rabid · · Score: 2

      If networking is your thing, then you want one of these instead: http://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm

    12. Re:Two ethernet ports by tepples · · Score: 1

      I've been using mobile broadband as my only internet connection for eight years.

      How do you prepare not to get assaulted with surprise overage fees after 3 GB operating system updates?

    13. Re:Two ethernet ports by kaizendojo · · Score: 1

      Child: Mommy, buy me a license plate!

      Mother: No. Come along, Bort.

      Man: Are you talking to me?

      Mother: No, my son is also named Bort.

    14. Re:Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the best solution. To the OS, thunderbolt3 is just another PCI express bus.

      They even make thunderbolt3 to PCIE boxes. Just slap in a multiport NIC and you're good to go.

    15. Re:Two ethernet ports by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Is there a reason that Ubiquiti's offerings won't work?

      I've had an Edge Router Lite for a while now and it works just fine.

    16. Re: Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was looking at one of these to install openbsd on. Going to use it as a router/firewall/DNS/proxy. Ive always liked openbsds PF over other offerings.

    17. Re:Two ethernet ports by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      What you request is available now. Granted the WiFi card isn't yet supported by pfSense (should be when they get to the current OpenBSD version) but the dual NICs are. I have one (120GB SSD and 8GB RAM) as my network firewall at home and it keeps up just fine even running Squid doing MitM of HTTPS plus sending all web traffic through ClamAV and with Snort in IPS mode. One of these days I will finish getting VPN setup on it and my mobile devices so that I can connect in and not have to worry about someone on scanning my traffic when I am out using hotel, airport, public wifi.

      --
      Time to offend someone
    18. Re:Two ethernet ports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess... you're an office manager, aren't you?

    19. Re:Two ethernet ports by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      Even if you go wireless for all the end points, you still need wires to connect the access points. (Don't bother me with replies about wireless bridges; I don't need to waste radio bandwidth on that infrastructure.) If your network is large enough to need more than one AP (I need three to get good coverage of my three story house; it's an old house with plaster and lath walls which means more signal attenuation than a modern house) you'll need a wired port and an Ethernet switch to hook those up.

      I also prefer to use Ethernet for other things that don't move, such as servers, printers, and TVs. That saves the WiFi bandwidth for laptops, tablets, and phones. That makes me a bit old school, but wired connections have the advantage that they always work. You don't get occasional mystery failures because of radio interference. I'll grant that my house already has the wires in place; it might be harder to muster the energy to do it in a new place. And if you rent you usually don't have the option of putting wiring in the walls.

    20. Re: Two ethernet ports by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      A USB 3.0 LAN adapter can, at least in theory, be fast enough for a router. But there is a catch: they generally use a lot more of your CPU than LAN ports on the motherboard or on a PCI or PCI Express card do. And I'd rather not be at the mercy of an Ethernet port that can get unplugged by accident; USB ports, unlike Ethernet cables, do not have retaining clips.

    21. Re: Two ethernet ports by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Do it. I have 3 of their systems. I have the APU2 (my current router/firewall), an APU1 (setup as my 802.11ac WAP), and an ALIX 2 (setup as my 802.11n WAP). They're all rock solid.

  5. Re: First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Win second is the favorite place of hillbama.

  6. Two NICs yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been waiting for them to put 2x Intel 10/100/1000 NICs on these things since they debuted.

    They'd make killer pfsense boxes when Intel finally grows a brain and does this.

    1. Re:Two NICs yet? by InfiniteLoopCounter · · Score: 2

      You can get a gigabit USB 3.0 to ethernet cable that is really short that does much the same thing. With 4 USB 3 plugs you should be able to have a total of 5 gigabit network interfaces.

    2. Re:Two NICs yet? by wierd_w · · Score: 2

      Simply not the same as a PCIe asic. I dont care how much theoretical bandwidth there is on USB3, or that they did away with polled mode. It is not the same if nothing else but because it has to go through two different driver stacks for data to enter and leave the media. The idea here is security consciousness, not simple function. Smaller attack surface is better.

    3. Re:Two NICs yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The point of buying an Intel NUC for pfsense is that we want 2x (or more) Intel NICs, which tend to be well supported by Linux and BSD drivers.

      Sure, I could buy one of thousands of other SFF machines (some of them even have multiple Intel NICs) or I could buy a USB 3.0 / 3.1 to RJ45 external NIC.

      I'd rather just buy a $400 box from Intel (with Intel's expected level of quality and polish) with 2x or more onboard Intel NICs.

      Being able to put up to 32gb of DDR4 SO-DIMMs in these for Pfsense is also awesome, as snort with a ton of rules and squid reverse proxy and a VPN package and DNSCRYPT can all start taxing the ram.

    4. Re:Two NICs yet? by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

      Simply not the same as a PCIe asic. I dont care how much theoretical bandwidth there is on USB3, or that they did away with polled mode. It is not the same if nothing else but because it has to go through two different driver stacks for data to enter and leave the media. The idea here is security consciousness, not simple function. Smaller attack surface is better.

      No, but Thunderbolt 3 is PCIe (either x2 or x4, depending on the configuration/power mode), with a full 40GB/s of bandwidth. So what you do is you get a Thunderbolt PCIe Expansion Box (something like this), and put standard PCIe NIC cards into it -- whichever ones you prefer.

      (What would be awesome is if someone came out with a multi-ethernet Thunderbolt 3 breakout box. The best I've found is dual 10Gbit Ethernet to Thunderbolt, but something like 8 x 1Gbit to Thunderbolt 3, with a TB3 chaining port would be pretty awesome for a box like this. Intel -- are you listening?)

      Yaz

    5. Re:Two NICs yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really need a Kaby Lake processor for a network router? A low-power Celeron with multiple ethernet ports may be more appropriate. Example - https://www.amazon.com/Barebones-Firewall-Intel-Ports-Celeron/dp/B01MEGSMRZ

    6. Re: Two NICs yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you build a router for 3X the price of an equivalent Cisco.

      Great.

    7. Re: Two NICs yet? by MrNaz · · Score: 2
      --
      I hate printers.
    8. Re: Two NICs yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Specs look good until you get to the J1900. Really wish I could but this box with an i3 @ >2.5Ghz.

    9. Re: Two NICs yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a USB-C to dildo adapter and stick it up your butthole

      Sorry, the drivers are Mac only...

    10. Re: Two NICs yet? by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Realistically, the J1900 is powerful enough to handle any routing duties a small network will throw at it. VLANs, VPN encryption, packet inspection etc are all fine. The pfSense boards are filled with people using these units with multiple VPN tunnels and getting close to gigabit.

      For a home router, unencrypted, running snort and a few other things but with the majority of traffic not VPN? It'll handle gigabit speeds without breaking a sweat.

      --
      I hate printers.
  7. Re:Still fighting the election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-400-billion-debt-worries-analysts-6812264.php

    Everything about CA and silicon valley is a giant circus. They depend on other states to consume their non-important entertainment services and goods. They can't even supply themselves with water.

    CA talking about seceding from the US is like Disney World talking about seceding from Florida. Neither one would last all that long after being cut off from the things that are required to keep a civilization going.

    I don't expect you to even read a word of this, just have fun with the next 8 years of President Trump, because your bullshit is partly what made people angry enough to vote him in.

  8. Thunderbolt just reminds me of this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Thunderbolt just reminds me how "Intel appear to be doing whatever they can to limit application of Thunderbolt to eGPU by making vendors use 25W PCIe slots, instead of 75W or making Thunderbolt enclosures way too expensive. *Appears* to be a company survivalism/profit strategy to prevent migration towards CUDA/OpenCL GPU-based processing instead of Intel's CPU processing."
    https://www.techinferno.com/in...
    https://www.techinferno.com/in...

  9. Intel is apparently 'disable-able by design' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Whereas the AMD model, unless it turns out that the single encrypted blob is actually multiple blobs, like in the intel firmware, is a single signed os image booted by the ARM Trustzone processor built into the newer CPUs/SoCs as a 'management, encryption, and authentication processor'.

    If it turns out not to be a chain of encrypted blobs like the Intel ME firmware turned out to be (after 6-8 years!) then it will be impossible to disable or replace it without AMD offering a 'trustzone kill' signed image that does nothing other than spin the cpu up, or if it MUST provide more features, provide the source code and prove how the size matches when encrypted or signed.

  10. Bring Back The Fire! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But no firewire port. *Insert sad face here*

  11. 19V - sigh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Another little device not powered by the common power available in industrial or commercial or automotive power systems. For many use cases this is a non-starter, and the number one reason I bought a Fit-PC instead.

    1. Re:19V - sigh by turp182 · · Score: 1

      This would do the trick if it's 19v DC (adjustable up to 38v DC):
      http://www.powerstream.com/Pro...

      Usually I'm converting up to 12 volt DC and not with electronics, so I use a $5 buck converter. The product above provides more safety features.

      --
      BlameBillCosby.com
    2. Re:19V - sigh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Good catch (sort of).

      Just dug through ARK looks like the NUCs now support 12-19VDC. At least they are now suitable for automotive, but still need an additional supply for industrial 24V applications.

    3. Re:19V - sigh by Strider- · · Score: 2

      Odd, I have more 19V power bricks than I can shake a stick at. The Thinkpads, Toughbooks, etc... all have 19V supplies.

      --
      ...si hoc legere nimium eruditionis habes...
    4. Re:19V - sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A whole bunch of electrical safety regulations don't apply <20V.
      Combine with P=UI and you get ... lots and lots of 19 and 19.5V power bricks.

    5. Re:19V - sigh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Odd, I have more 19V power bricks than I can shake a stick at. The Thinkpads, Toughbooks, etc... all have 19V supplies.

      Words 12, 14 and 16 of my post were industrial, commercial and automotive.
      In fact in all the 37 words of my post I never mentioned laptops at all. So I can only assume you wanted to tell everyone you have loads of 19V supplies. Well... congratulations. Have an internet cookie for your collection efforts.

    6. Re:19V - sigh by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A whole bunch of electrical safety regulations don't apply <20V.
      Combine with P=UI and you get ... lots and lots of 19 and 19.5V power bricks.

      Wow fail. A whole bunch of electrical safety regulations don't apply below 50V, which is why industrial uses 24V and telecoms uses -48V. There's no where in the world where the arbitrary cut-off limit is 20V (and bonus points for knowing that it's 50VAC/DC, with a different set of regulations up to 120VDC in many countries).

      19.5V has nothing to do with P=UI and everything to do with most laptops having 5 lithium cells in series in the power pack.

  12. Small form factor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and the typical insanely high Intel price tag. 500$ for a tiny PC with limited upgrade options that doesn't even come with RAM?

    1. Re:Small form factor... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't get a high end one then?
      Or better yet, don't buy any if you don't need it. Worst is how easy it might get stolen. Get some Pentium II era tower case(*) if you want something upgradeable and that costs no money, might have $5000 worth of hardware in it but nobody will want to do anything with it - albeit friends will taunt you for using such obsolete crap and will believe your PC is an old piece of shit. Bonus point if you have white/beige mouse and keyboard, and preferably monitor.

      (*) no front USB, but you can either live with it or do something about it like adding them on 3.5" or 5.25" bay.

  13. Re: First! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I pulled a Hillary in the bar the other night. After a few beers, and with enough lube, she was just fine.

  14. They didn't vote him in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might like to pretend that *California* alone rejected Trump, but those 3 million votes weren't Californian. They were in gerrymandered states, and states that inexplicably had record absentee ballot.

    If you want to see bankrupt, go look at Trump's business empire. His income isn't enought to cover the debt repayments, he's up to $2 billion in the hole, and all his assets are overmortgaged both to banks and to outside investors.

    Yet to hear it from Trump, he's massively successful, makes $500 million profit a year and is only 300 million in debt.... yet keeps borrowing, $18 million here, $5 million there..... r-i-g-h-t... I was born yesterday and cannot spot fraud when it is soooo blantant.

    He still hasn't split himself from his company, he still owns foreign income businesses, and when you go through the bits of the books he couldn't conceal you realize why. His only hope is Putin's rubles.

    1. Re:They didn't vote him in by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Gerrymandering is a pure red herring here. States don't vote as districts for any state-wide or nation-wide office. The fact that majorities in more states voted for Trump is something you can't get away from.

      The US was never designed to be The United States of New York.

      The same evil unfair skew you're whining about is also present in the Congress for the same exact reason.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    2. Re:They didn't vote him in by tepples · · Score: 1

      States vote as districts for Speaker of the House, who is third in line to the Presidency.

  15. Cities don't vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's Trump logic, Cities don't block vote as if they're a single entity, *people* in the cities vote, and there's no reason why all the people in a city would vote, borg like, for a single candidate. They don't now.

    Your traitor Trump is now quoting Julian Assange as authoritative: 'Assange says Russia didn't provide the hack, CIA are stalling for time to make up the evidence against my snuckums Putin'.

    Seriously, a Presidential wannabe attacking CIA, NSA and FBI for doing their job, while defending a foreign government hack of the elections? CIA should release the papers on Trump Co. there's no way Trump was getting money from Panama funds and CIA didn't spy on him. Given his dishonest, there's no way that money is clean. With Putin having $2 billion in Panama, and Trump getting suspicious money from Panama, he's hiding something.

    1. Re:Cities don't vote by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > That's Trump logic,

      No. That's the logic of the founders. If you don't live in California, it sounds pretty cool. That's why we even have a country to begin with. No one else wants to be Sacramento's b*tch. That would get old fast for the rest of us.

      --
      A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
    2. Re:Cities don't vote by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      That's the logic of the founders.

      Is it? How many megalopolises were there worldwide in 1776, let alone in he US?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  16. Re:Still fighting the election? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might claim it wasn't Russia, but CIA and FBI say otherwise, they've released the details evidence.

    No, no they haven't, likely because they have nothing. Probably why they refused to attend a congressional oversight committee meeting to present the evidence - because they don't have anything. And they certainly haven't released any details.

  17. Re:Still fighting the election? by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    A part of the Silicon Valley hive mind debunked this Russian hackers thing so why are members of the peanut gallery still even clinging to it?

    --
    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
  18. As a Mac user by Ensign_Expendable · · Score: 1

    I sure wish these things could run Mac OS out of the box. I'm not sure the Mac mini or Mac Pro will ever be refreshed.

    1. Re:As a Mac user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I can find a screen magnifier that works like on a Mac, for Windows, I'm switching to one of these NUCs.

    2. Re:As a Mac user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the MacBook Pro, it is becoming apparent that Apple is considering the Mac lineup as a second thought these days. Delayed and in the end, they had to forego the battery they intended to use and go back to an older design...

      However if rumors are true, big things could be in the works... Nvidia is posting job openings for Mac driver engineers that want to have input into Apple's latest and greatest... could be really interesting and an NDA might explain Nvidia's blackout of any information for their quickly aging Mac drivers or anything Apple right now.

      Unfortunately it still probably means a year or two before anything comes of that possible partnership.

    3. Re:As a Mac user by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rig some big fresnel lens to your monitor?

  19. Does it still overheat, whine and crash? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    I've tried a few models NUC and Intel Stick over the last few years, the fans are tiny running at a million RPM so they would start whining a few minutes and then crash because the thing got too hot.

    Wake me up when they come with a sub-$100 model that has 4G of memory and runs Android, Linux and doesn't overheat. If I wanted a $400 barebone, I'd buy from any number of manufacturers that had the thermal stuff figured out a decade ago (eg. Shuttle) .

    --
    Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
    1. Re: Does it still overheat, whine and crash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No idea what you're talking about I've purchased probably 30 of these various models and year revisions no issues with heat dissipation or fan noise. Clearly not a systemic issue sounds like the issue exists between the keyboard and the chair.

    2. Re:Does it still overheat, whine and crash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the last generation Skull Canyon NUK. It is running Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and hosting on average 6 linux server guests at any given time. All this while driving 3 1080p monitors. This little thing is a beast. 32GB of DDR4 and 1.5 TB of NVMe is just icing on the cake.

      I would definitely recommend these things for anyone who expects linux to work well and likes big power in a little package.

  20. HDMI CEC? by by+(1706743) · · Score: 1

    Sounds like this would make a great little media box, but it's a shame it doesn't (appear to) have HDMI CEC support -- it looks like adapters cost about as much as a Raspberry Pi (which supports HDMI CEC out of the box!).

    It seems like a silly feature, but it's been incredibly useful for my RPi media center -- the ability to switch between an app (Yatse) and a physical remote is very handy.

  21. But they're ugly... by alternative_right · · Score: 1

    Why must all hardware be only in black and silver?

    Apple did only a few things right, and attractive hardware is one of them (the others were: having a gadget ready to use after unboxing, and streamlining the interface to eliminate fiddly, irrelevant and distracting bits).

    Every time I look at new machines, I am struck by how we insist on making them uglier than dump trucks.

    1. Re:But they're ugly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Industry rule : off-white colors are ugly, bland and outmoded. What you do think? We're not in the 90s anymore! You're a pathetic loser! Even my mom has more cores than you. How's your dot matrix printer doing?

      Apple's take : our computers and keyboards etc. are off-white. Beautiful, smooth and stylish high end design! More gigabits per second and megapixels than you can deal with before overheating! Buy this and you will feel smarter than your boss, boss's boss, boss's boss's boss and your bank teller. Browse Facegram all day and everyone will believe you're writing an inventive and great new novel.

  22. ECC RAM? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ECC memory or it's just more useless junk.

  23. The powerhouse of Asia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about time India's Mini PCs were released. Who's a third world country now ?

  24. Works totally silent and no longer crashes by KayakFun · · Score: 1

    Since 1 dec 2016 I got a new job and was allowed to choose my own laptop, but I choose a NUC6 i5 with 2x 24" screens, and put Linux Mint 18 on it. The first few days it totally froze on me a few times, but after upgrading to Mint 18.1 and Cinammon 3.0.6 it has now run uninterrupted for 2 weeks already.

    I have the CPU temperature and performance monitor in the footer, it is currently 39.3 deg Celsius without any noise at all (I have no music on so it is totally silent here). I run PhpStorm, 2 Firefoxes with in total 21 tabs, a terminal with 3 tabs, 1 vagrant VM, 1 Chrome browser with 4 tabs, 1 file manager and 1 PDF viewer. It is not cheap, but a lot cheaper than laptops with the same specs. Colleagues with Win of Mac laptops do have their fan running audibly.

    My previous PCs were a MacMini and an MacBookAir, but I would not want to switch back.