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Bitcoin Is Crashing (businessinsider.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Bitcoin is getting smashed. The cryptocurrency was down 18% to about $892 per coin as of 8:17 a.m. ET on Thursday. It is the biggest drop in two years. Earlier this week, on its first trading day of the new year, Bitcoin crossed above the $1,000 mark for the first time since 2013, but it has now tumbled below that level.

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  1. Previous article by buchner.johannes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    https://news.slashdot.org/stor...
    Probably a lot of people took the news of a 1000$ high as a chance to sell now?

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    1. Re:Previous article by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More like a pump and dump scheme I would guess.

    2. Re:Previous article by buchner.johannes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Both articles actually state that Bitcoin strongly anti correlates with the yuan.

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    3. Re:Previous article by houstonbofh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And the second it dropped below $900, people started buying and pushed it to $975... Look up "Profit Taking" "Rebound" and "Correction" to see why this happens and how it happens in stocks and other investments all the time. Essentially, a lot of people had sell orders at $1100 that started a dip. A lot of day traders dumped when it dipped causing a big drop. But a lot had buy orders if it went below $900, and that floor caused the day traders to jump in and push it up further.

    4. Re:Previous article by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      China is in a huge bubble, smart Chinese are desperate to get their capital out. Capital controls never work for long.

      The 'ghost cities' in China are all owned by Chinese citizens, who traditionally love to own * real estate. In China a condo that has never been occupied is worth more that a condo that has (strange, but somewhat understandable as rents are nowhere close to mortgage payments). The average person with money in China is sitting on assets that are overvalued by a factor of at least 5. As more and more of them realize this, bitcoin pricing will become more volatile. The 'grey market international cash flow' share of bitcoin ownership (think of it as a flux though) is increasing vs the 'investor/speculator' shares.

      * 70 year lease, own...

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    5. Re:Previous article by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 2

      And the second it dropped below $900, people started buying and pushed it to $975... Look up "Profit Taking" "Rebound" and "Correction" to see why this happens and how it happens in stocks and other investments all the time. Essentially, a lot of people had sell orders at $1100 that started a dip. A lot of day traders dumped when it dipped causing a big drop. But a lot had buy orders if it went below $900, and that floor caused the day traders to jump in and push it up further.

      When I first glanced at the headline I thought there was something major going on, since if Slashdot were reporting on bitcoin value it must be serious. Nope, of course not, just a correction that was bound to come sooner than later. It's still going strong, and while it will continue to be a wild ride, I can't see it really "crashing" any time soon, no matter what the OP suggests. I got back in months ago at $800ish, took profit at $975, and rebought again at $890. Big swings, as we've always seen, but not unexpected.

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  2. Rebounding already by jdavidb · · Score: 2

    $950 as of this comment. These articles are always out of date.

    1. Re:Rebounding already by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait, it's back at $950, so the comment is back in date.

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  3. Maybe just profit taking? by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really think that a lot of folks had just said "oh 1k maybe time to "cash in"...

    I bet it rebounds and will go through some oscillations every time it crosses 1k until folks get used to the idea that it can go to /higher than 1k then it will creep up and probably take a dip at 1.5k and/or 2k

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    1. Re:Maybe just profit taking? by vvaduva · · Score: 2

      This is the most likely scenario. The market is a beautiful thing...probably several big whales decided to cash out, meaning the supply spiked causing the price to go down. The ignorance of looking at a 24 hour 17% drop vs a 300% 12 month raise is astounding. I would think most people who understand financial markets would not be this ignorant to call this a "crash"

    2. Re:Maybe just profit taking? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The ignorance of looking at a 24 hour 17% drop vs a 300% 12 month raise is astounding. I would think most people who understand financial markets would not be this ignorant to call this a "crash"

      For someone accusing others of being "ignorant" of financial markets, you sure have a funny way of reporting statistics. You do realize that IF you had a 300% gain, then a 75% loss would completely erase it, right? When talking about percentage gains this large, it usually helps to talk in terms of actual numerical gains or at least how much of a loss you have COMPARED TO the gain (in real numbers).

      According to the first search hit I found, a year ago Bitcoin was at around $432. Yesterday, that site reported it as $1135. That's a 162% gain, not 300%. As I write this, Bitcoin is around $950. That's is indeed somewhere around a 16-17% loss in 24 hours.

      But, from a clearer perspective on how we relate those two percentages, the gain for the past year was about $700. The overnight loss is so far around $185. In other words, Bitcoin lost OVER A QUARTER OF ITS YEARLY GAIN OVERNIGHT.

      Is it back where it was a year ago? No. But trying to pretend that this is a minimal loss by juxtaposing numbers like 300 and 17 is disingenuous at best.

      Should "people who understand financial markets" be worried at such a turn of events? Probably not. Because people who understand financial markets know that Bitcoin is right now a really bizarre investment subject to the whims of "pump and dump" investors, and there's still a lot of value locked up in some early investors who could completely crash the market if they decided to jump ship.

      So, anyone "who understands financial markets" probably expects Bitcoin to be this volatile -- probably even more so. Whether a person "who understands financial markets" would consider Bitcoin a sound investment is a different question.

  4. Re:Bitcoin is always crashing. by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Number of instances of word "bitcoin" in your comment about a Bitcoin article: 0.

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  5. Re:Hahahahaha by Mitreya · · Score: 2

    So what?

    Well, the article's goal is either to spike Bitcoin further or to try and delay the fall because they are not done dumping it.

    I cannot tell which one because TFA thinks that they are important enough to make me turn off ad-blocker or convince me to get ad-light(??) access for less money. But nowdays even with ad blocker, some websites manage to play video with obnoxious sound or freeze the browser, so I am too afraid to turn it off and see the real web.

    So lots of fascinating discussion topics.

  6. Bitcoin is dead by vvaduva · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is it...Bitoin is dead!! It's up 300% over the last 12 months but down 18% over the last 24 hours. It's fucked! Bitcoin is dead!! What idiots use this crap??

    1. Re:Bitcoin is dead by vvaduva · · Score: 2

      Yeah...I use my Shift Coinbase card all the time to buy dinner, pay bills or whatever I feel like using it for. I don't understand the ignorance people here display towards BTC.

  7. OMG back to $929!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is not news. If I wanted to know what the BTC value is I'd not check on /.

  8. Don't you see what Potter's doing? by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    He isn't selling, he's BUYING!

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  9. Who cares? by rebelwarlock · · Score: 2

    Since when is bitcoin's instability news?

  10. Re:Don't buy bitcoin for an investment. by grnbrg · · Score: 2

    All investment is a gamble. And with Bitcoin, like any other investment -- don't risk more than you are prepared to lose completely.

  11. Paper currency is too dull by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Funny

    You know what traditional currency like the Dollar was really missing? All the excitement of the random wild value fluctuations inherent in a dot-com stock! I for one find it tedious and boring to walk up to the checkout line in a retailer or grocery store already knowing that I have sufficient funds to pay for my purchase. Yawn.

  12. Bitcoin is hilarious... by MindPrison · · Score: 2

    I've always seen bitcoin as I've seen Pirate Bay. Bitcoins biggest selling point afaik was that you could pay anonymously, and anonymous pay is good for the black/dark marked. For the same reason, I can't just walk down to my local bank and say "1$ bitcoin, please!".

    The dilemma starts when you're selling something, and want the money into normal money you can actually pay your utility bills with.

    Also, the bitcoin to me also seem like the "poor man's fake gold reserve", if you believe it is worth something, then it is worth what you pay, so essentially the value of the bitcoin could go fictively up and down all the time, and if you sell it at the right time (if anyone is willing to buy when the value is high), then what do you do with the money? In Sweden you'd have to prove where the money comes from if it is a sum over 10K SEK. Otherwise the bank wont heed it and say no to your money because it doesn't come from any known source to them. They claim this is to prevent drug trafficing, but we (the citizens) know all too well that this is a plot from the gov. to control all the money and tax even already taxed second-hand sales, whatever you sell - we want a cut.

    So all regular citizens really can do - is to lean back and watch the online show called "Bitcoin raises/loses value/dives/jumps" whatever....

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    1. Re:Bitcoin is hilarious... by Dwedit · · Score: 2

      Bitcoin isn't anonymous, everyone can see the full transaction history for your ID number. They just can't go from ID number to Name. But if you do anything like even post a bitcoin link on a web page, then you've provided enough information to find out your transaction history.

    2. Re:Bitcoin is hilarious... by MindPrison · · Score: 2

      Just because that is your possibility in the place you live, doesn't mean it is possible for everyone around. And if all that you can resort to is name calling to strengthen your argument, then I'm not the idiot.

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  13. Re:Slashdot effect 2.0 by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 3, Funny

    Aaaand.... it's gone.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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  14. Re:You are doing it wrong by jareth-0205 · · Score: 2

    I understand that BC is not a "widely accepted" currency and odds are that you have to cash-in eventually, but the point of Bitcoin is to become an alternate way to ease the trade of goods and services, and it should be used like that. Trying to convert it into "real" money misses the point completely. I think that if people have bitcoins, they should use them only to replace conventional currency in their transactions, not to try to convert them.

    It's not a usable currency because one of the points of currency is a value store - a way of 'keeping score'. To do that it must have a relatively stable value, which is demonstrably doesn't. Bitcoin is a gambling mechanism, and a way of hiding transactions, but it is not a usable currency.

  15. Unstable "currency" by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A useful currency is stable for the time you hold it.

    If you are a merchant that takes bitcoin but sells it for local currency by the end of the day, you need intra-day stability.

    If you are holding it as a currency for days or weeks at a time, you need short-term stability.

    If you are holding it as a currency for longer, you need medium- or long-term stability.

    On the other hand, if you are buying it as an investment, like a stock, or as a speculative "investment" (aka "gambling") then in addition to a long-term upward trend, you want instability so you can benefit from dollar-cost averaging as you buy and "dollar cost averaging in reverse" - selling a fixed amount of BC every day - when you eventually sell.

    Of course, if you are a day trader who depends on intra-day changes in value, you want short-term instability and either a knack for timing the market right or a dose of good luck to keep from coming out in the red that day.

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  16. Re:Up by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Informative

    Almost like people have never seen speculative corrections before...

  17. Re:Volatility by houstonbofh · · Score: 2

    Only if you look at it in very short terms. Over long term it is actually quite stable other then occasional speculative peaks which are easy to avoid. You could see this one coming at Christmas. And today (If you were watching) was the bitcoin sale at $900.

  18. Re: This stuff makes me feel old by davidwr · · Score: 2

    Fiat currency does have one advantage over bitcoin: It is almost always legal tender for paying current and past-due domestic debts, including tax debts.

    There are of couse exceptions - minor coinage is typically legal tender for only small amounts, a particular bank note can by de-monitized like India just did, an entire currency can be scrapped as Zimbabwe did a few years ago, and some highly-regulated countries have government-run "hard currency stores" for tourists that won't accept local currency (e.g. the old Soviet Union).

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  19. Re:This stuff makes me feel old by Mike · · Score: 2

    I should say the same thing.

    Every fiat currency that has ever existed since time immemorial has crashed and burned. It's even happened several times in US history.

    But somehow this time it won't?

  20. 1st Million coins by Holi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as Satoshi still controls the first million bitcoins I fear it cannot be taken seriously as the creator has the power to single handily effect the market. No bank or government is going to back something where 1 individual has set themselves up with such disruptive power.

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  21. Inverse relationship to Yuan by NotARealUser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Welcome to currency trading. The reason your grandparents did not bet the farm on currency is because of the wild swings. Somebody gains big and somebody loses big here. These sort of swings in currency are exactly how George Soros made his fortunes. I do not think the current swing indicates good or bad days ahead for BitCoin. It only indicates that it is being used for huge profits by some.

    Here is a little explanation of what just happened:
    One of the biggest emerging Bitcoin markets is in China. China's Yuan has been weak and even a small percentage of investors moving their Yuan investments in and out of Bitcoin can cause the market to fluctuate greatly. China's Yuan is much bigger than Bitcoin, so relatively small waves in China really rock the boats in the Bitcoin world. There was a spike in Yuan value, and some investors assumed better days ahead for China and cashed out bitcoins for Yuan. As you can see from the current charts, investors now saw cheap Bitcoin and are buying those again.

  22. Re:Don't buy bitcoin for an investment. by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All investment is risk, but that's different from what people normally mean by gamble. Sure any investment bears risks such as global nuclear war, government/societal collapse, alien invasion, and so on, but the unexpected death of the investor is a higher risk than those sorts of things. Any investment is a risk somewhere on the scale between short-term US treasuries, and loaning money to a heroin addict, but that doesn't mean all risks are similar.

    Also, volatility and risk are different things. At this point for BTC, I'd be much more concerned about its volatility than the risk it would go to 0, making it speculative regardless.

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  23. To those that submitted and accepted this 'story' by BozoForPresident · · Score: 2

    I expect so much more from this crowd. Did you honestly not know that Bitcoin (and the general crypto market) was slowly trending higher during the end of 2016 and that, even after this latest price spike and correction, it has still gained compared to as little as a week ago? Seriously, you guys, if you can't manages a tiny little bit more journalistic integrity than that, go fuck yourselves.

  24. Bitcoin has died 119 times by xororand · · Score: 2

    The pointless article is still on the front page and Bitcoin is already back over $1000.

    Bitcoin has died 119 times so far.
    https://99bitcoins.com/bitcoin...